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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 4, 2024 19:52:40 GMT 1
He didn't ar Millwall or Birmingham...... He left Millwall after 4 seasons and all 4 seasons top 10 finish. The majority of Millwall fans liked him. spend 5 seconds on their forums and search for rowett and think again Search DATM for any of our recent managers other than Warnock and Wagner and you'll get pretty much the same results. Football fans are generally more likely to bother posting if they're unhappy.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 4, 2024 19:55:43 GMT 1
In my opinion there’s no chance the likes of Rowett, Eustace, Duff et al would ever agree to join HTAFC on a short-term contract just until the end of the season. If that’s all Town offered them say a three or even six month contract what sort of message is that sending to them? They’re not 75 years old and semi-retired for starters. I think Maynard has provided a pragmatic answer. As he says those who might not want to manage at League One level could see a 4 month "trial" might work. It also gives both parties a chance to see how they work together. You could offer a bonus to the man, and his team, for staying up too. Pragmatism has it's value at the moment and could work really well for everyone. That could be a smart option in theory, but I just don’t believe any of the “likely” candidates would be willing to accept it in practice.
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Post by Stewpot on Feb 4, 2024 20:13:57 GMT 1
We should be going after the best relative to who and where we are, not just a guy who can perform a miracle part II, then for us to start all over again.
All for the sake of throwing a few more quid at it. Consider how much we have spaffed in the past year or so, paying off Moore, Fotheringham, Schofield and Neil Warnock. That's just managers, never mind all the dross we've landed ourselves with on the grass (mainly before Kev came on watch to be fair).
If Kev is genuinely serious about his 3 year plan, he needs to show some real intent this time.
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Post by mrbluesky on Feb 4, 2024 20:41:55 GMT 1
I don’t think we should judge Duff on his time at Swansea: The issue with Duff at Swansea was, I don’t think, his; he was doomed to fail from the start. It simply wasn’t the right appointment for that club. His brand of football wasn’t ‘the Swansea way’. It’s not possession based, with more emphasis on energy and physicality. Something that was never going to suit the fans or the squad - especially in the wake of Martin’s departure. There was undoubted criticism of him; he tried to change things to his way too quickly and too hard. And the more criticism he took, the more he dug in; not listening to fans and players alike and trying to entrench his values whilst faced with constant comparison to Potter, Martinez, Martin et al. I would also suggest the issues at Swansea run deeper than Duff. Since his departure, they’ve only managed to win three games (hardly a turn in fortune), with one of those coming against Rotherham. They’ve had a difficult run of games, but there are still some telling results and they remain in trouble. His ethos would be more suited to us. Bang on with this ....he was never right for Swansea and Swansea was never right for him. They play IMO the most boring of styles of the game , the passing around at the back and possession based football which their fans have been accustomed to but to me is as boring as watching a girder rust where as Duff plays a high press and won't entertain the labourious tikka takka getting nowhere football ......I think most Town fans would want his high press approach together with his unity and passion .
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Feb 4, 2024 20:44:18 GMT 1
If it is Duff, then Cartwright and Co will have failed again. Duff lost the fan base and the players at Swansea. That's alarming. I know we aren't in a position to get a 'big' name, but getting a majority of fans onside from the start is paramount. For me, Rowett would still be my preferred choice. Yes, his football isn't what we would say 'attacking' but it is very much Neil Warnock. Effective and everyone knows their roles. Now a lot of us would want Warnock, so the next carbon copy on terms of football would be Rowett. He has shown he can work on limited budgets and Birmingham and Millwall and do well. rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been Really? Had he lost the Burton fans when Birmingham poached him from Burton? Had he lost the Birmingham fans when he had Birmingham going for the playoffs but the owners sacked him because they wanted a "big name" manager in Gianfranco Zola (who nearly got them relegated)? Had he lost the Derby fans when Stoke poached him from Derby? He took Millwall to 4 successive top half finishes. He won 38.8% of 196 matches at Millwall. They mutually agreed that it was best to part ways after a very good 4 years at the club. If the new manager gets us into the top half for 4 straight seasons but then leaves because he's fallen out of favour with the fans, I'll take that no problem. The only club where he's actually been sacked for not being very good was Stoke. In short, you're talking nonsense.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 4, 2024 20:47:33 GMT 1
I think Maynard has provided a pragmatic answer. As he says those who might not want to manage at League One level could see a 4 month "trial" might work. It also gives both parties a chance to see how they work together. You could offer a bonus to the man, and his team, for staying up too. Pragmatism has it's value at the moment and could work really well for everyone. That could be a smart option in theory, but I just don’t believe any of the “likely” candidates would be willing to accept it in practice. Perhaps but how confident would you be in a candidate who was prepared to embrace that approach? We have had 6 managers in short time, we have an owner who is engaged and is free with his opinions and a squad with gaps in quality. If you had belief in your ability, you saw Town as an opportunity with potential, but you were concerned about the culture and way of working having a review period would be a good solution. I appreciate that English football has a way things are done but that doesn't prevent doing things in a different way. It's those people who are brave in life and prepared to take a chance who are most successful. I'm sure Mr Nagle subscribes to that and could be open to innovative ways of doing things. I personally wouldn't be impressed if I thought we had employed the "next cab off the rank" (which is what I would categorise the Moore appointment as). It clearly didn't work so why on earth do that again. If I'm being cynical (what me??) I would ask if our CEO and the DOF are suitably forward thinking to look outside the box for a solution? I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Feb 4, 2024 20:53:24 GMT 1
So the current front 3 are
Michael Duff John Eustace Paul Heckinbottom
Could someone with more knowledge enlighten me on what kind of football these 3 play? Possession based, Counter Attacking etc….
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 20:57:14 GMT 1
rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been Really? Had he lost the Burton fans when Birmingham poached him from Burton? Had he lost the Birmingham fans when he had Birmingham going for the playoffs but the owners sacked him because they wanted a "big name" manager in Gianfranco Zola (who nearly got them relegated)? Had he lost the Derby fans when Stoke poached him from Derby? He took Millwall to 4 successive top half finishes. He won 38.8% of 196 matches at Millwall. They mutually agreed that it was best to part ways after a very good 4 years at the club. If the new manager gets us into the top half for 4 straight seasons but then leaves because he's fallen out of favour with the fans, I'll take that no problem. The only club where he's actually been sacked for not being very good was Stoke. In short, you're talking nonsense. The fans were bored to death at Birmingham and milwall yes. Sorry if you’re offended Gary I don’t think you’re a bad manager I just wouldn’t want to watch your team every week
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Feb 4, 2024 21:04:51 GMT 1
Maynard, out of interest who would you like to see as manager, or type of manager whether British or Abroad etc? Unfortunately I believe there is a dichotomy between our short term and longer term requirements and it worries me that they seem intent of finding someone to match both criteria. We need an immediate impact manager, someone who knows the league and knows what's required....but longer term we need someone with fresh ideas, a maverick who'll do things different and think outside the box - wagner, Carlos. For me - appoint someone like Rowett until the end of the season (now warnock is unavailable) then reassess depending where we are. I have to say I don’t agree Maynard. (I realise that’s sacrilegious on here). I think we need to be bold. Have the courage of our convictions and choose who we want and stick with it. I feel another stop gap just means we are back in time again. I am confident that a half decent manager can keep this squad up and maybe with 6/8 points to spare. I will caveat that by saying I don’t want Duff so if it’s Duff or a stop gap I choose a stop gap
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Post by shawsie on Feb 4, 2024 21:56:58 GMT 1
So the current front 3 are Michael Duff John Eustace Paul Heckinbottom Could someone with more knowledge enlighten me on what kind of football these 3 play? Possession based, Counter Attacking etc…. Does it matter? Don’t we all want to watch a team competing at the right end of the division and winning games consistently. I’ve never seen any “winning team” play abject dull football…….. It goes with the territory - if you are winning games regularly you play football that’s somewhat decent on the eye. Good managers assess what they have and can buy then develop a system which suits the players……..unlike Darren Moore. Mr Warnock is a master at it.
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Post by sabailand on Feb 4, 2024 22:00:40 GMT 1
Really? Had he lost the Burton fans when Birmingham poached him from Burton? Had he lost the Birmingham fans when he had Birmingham going for the playoffs but the owners sacked him because they wanted a "big name" manager in Gianfranco Zola (who nearly got them relegated)? Had he lost the Derby fans when Stoke poached him from Derby? He took Millwall to 4 successive top half finishes. He won 38.8% of 196 matches at Millwall. They mutually agreed that it was best to part ways after a very good 4 years at the club. If the new manager gets us into the top half for 4 straight seasons but then leaves because he's fallen out of favour with the fans, I'll take that no problem. The only club where he's actually been sacked for not being very good was Stoke. In short, you're talking nonsense. The fans were bored to death at Birmingham and milwall yes. Sorry if you’re offended Gary I don’t think you’re a bad manager I just wouldn’t want to watch your team every week Tbh if we were winning a decent ratio of of games i wouldnt care about being 'bored', i do get a bit bored of rubbish seasons though.
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Post by wildhogg on Feb 4, 2024 22:05:51 GMT 1
Bottom line is that we need someone who's proven their ability to both get results at a decent level and the best out of the resources available to them. We can't afford to gamble on a Duff or a Eustace. If we were mid-table and not in any danger, then perhaps we could afford to look at a 'project' manager.
Having said that, for some reason I still don't find the idea of Heckingbottom remotely appealing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 22:22:05 GMT 1
Unfortunately I believe there is a dichotomy between our short term and longer term requirements and it worries me that they seem intent of finding someone to match both criteria. We need an immediate impact manager, someone who knows the league and knows what's required....but longer term we need someone with fresh ideas, a maverick who'll do things different and think outside the box - wagner, Carlos. For me - appoint someone like Rowett until the end of the season (now warnock is unavailable) then reassess depending where we are. I have to say I don’t agree Maynard. (I realise that’s sacrilegious on here). I think we need to be bold. Have the courage of our convictions and choose who we want and stick with it. I feel another stop gap just means we are back in time again. I am confident that a half decent manager can keep this squad up and maybe with 6/8 points to spare. I will caveat that by saying I don’t want Duff so if it’s Duff or a stop gap I choose a stop gap My thoughts as well. We need to choose a manager good enough to keep us up and start the journey forward. Finding someone to do the stop gap job says they aren’t good enough long term and it gives the players another set of tactics and coaches. We just need to set our sights and go for it.
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Post by desertstorm on Feb 4, 2024 22:27:52 GMT 1
The majority of you may be pleasantly surprised. Some of the candidates we are speaking to have stature in the game and are interested.
The club are being really proactive in speaking to some exciting prospects.
Could be a really exciting time for all 🤞
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 4, 2024 22:34:01 GMT 1
I have to say I don’t agree Maynard. (I realise that’s sacrilegious on here). I think we need to be bold. Have the courage of our convictions and choose who we want and stick with it. I feel another stop gap just means we are back in time again. I am confident that a half decent manager can keep this squad up and maybe with 6/8 points to spare. I will caveat that by saying I don’t want Duff so if it’s Duff or a stop gap I choose a stop gap My thoughts as well. We need to choose a manager good enough to keep us up and start the journey forward. Finding someone to do the stop gap job says they aren’t good enough long term and it gives the players another set of tactics and coaches. We just need to set our sights and go for it. Don't get me wrong I'd love a manager who ticks short and long term boxes but they don't tend to exist in the ponds we fish in.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 4, 2024 22:34:50 GMT 1
The majority of you may be pleasantly surprised. Some of the candidates we are speaking to have stature in the game and are interested. The club are being really proactive in speaking to some exciting prospects. Could be a really exciting time for all 🤞 abroad and at home exciting candidates mate?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 4, 2024 22:37:15 GMT 1
The majority of you may be pleasantly surprised. Some of the candidates we are speaking to have stature in the game and are interested. The club are being really proactive in speaking to some exciting prospects. Could be a really exciting time for all 🤞 That sounds really promising. Are we hoping to have the new man in place by Saturday?
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Post by htfcterry on Feb 4, 2024 22:54:26 GMT 1
The majority of you may be pleasantly surprised. Some of the candidates we are speaking to have stature in the game and are interested. The club are being really proactive in speaking to some exciting prospects. Could be a really exciting time for all 🤞 I think it will need to be pretty special to make the majority on here pleasantly surprised. The expectation on this appointment is through the roof.
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Feb 4, 2024 22:54:46 GMT 1
Really? Had he lost the Burton fans when Birmingham poached him from Burton? Had he lost the Birmingham fans when he had Birmingham going for the playoffs but the owners sacked him because they wanted a "big name" manager in Gianfranco Zola (who nearly got them relegated)? Had he lost the Derby fans when Stoke poached him from Derby? He took Millwall to 4 successive top half finishes. He won 38.8% of 196 matches at Millwall. They mutually agreed that it was best to part ways after a very good 4 years at the club. If the new manager gets us into the top half for 4 straight seasons but then leaves because he's fallen out of favour with the fans, I'll take that no problem. The only club where he's actually been sacked for not being very good was Stoke. In short, you're talking nonsense. The fans were bored to death at Birmingham and milwall yes. Sorry if you’re offended Gary I don’t think you’re a bad manager I just wouldn’t want to watch your team every week They were 7th in the league having just beaten Ipswich 2 days before sacking him and hadn't been lower than 7th since September. I don't recall them being predicted as promotion contenders. Can you find me some evidence that the fans hated the football they saw on the pitch? From what I can see they were very surprised to see him go and weren't happy about it. Just sounds to me like you're one of these typically narrow minded fans that sees any English manager as being a boring old fart with no personality whose teams only ever play crap defensive football. Even if he didn't play gung ho attacking football trying to win every game 7-0, the way he got Millwall playing certainly reaped rewards. If sacrificing all out attack no holds barred football gets us back to back top half finishes (never mind the 4 in a row he had with Millwall), then I'd be very happy for that sacrifice to be made. Most of the last 5 and a half years (going back to the second Prem season) have been utter dogshit, losing every week with let's be honest, rubbish football.
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 4, 2024 22:57:35 GMT 1
The club should involve the fans... a decision made by those in charge has a 90% failure rate.
I reckon I can tell you if a manager is any good within 30 seconds of his first interview... even if he is good, within 30 seconds the fans will judge them as a 👍 or 👎
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 4, 2024 23:02:15 GMT 1
The majority of you may be pleasantly surprised. Some of the candidates we are speaking to have stature in the game and are interested. The club are being really proactive in speaking to some exciting prospects. Could be a really exciting time for all 🤞 Come on, Jose 🤨
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 4, 2024 23:04:06 GMT 1
If its duff from the reviews of Swansea fans... I'll be chucking my season card at him fter the first defeat.
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Post by Dan on Feb 4, 2024 23:06:36 GMT 1
The club should involve the fans... a decision made by those in charge has a 90% failure rate. I reckon I can tell you if a manager is any good within 30 seconds of his first interview... even if he is good, within 30 seconds the fans will judge them as a 👍 or 👎 I remember townrwe having an equally mental suggestion like that before.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 23:09:39 GMT 1
The fans were bored to death at Birmingham and milwall yes. Sorry if you’re offended Gary I don’t think you’re a bad manager I just wouldn’t want to watch your team every week They were 7th in the league having just beaten Ipswich 2 days before sacking him and hadn't been lower than 7th since September. I don't recall them being predicted as promotion contenders. Can you find me some evidence that the fans hated the football they saw on the pitch? From what I can see they were very surprised to see him go and weren't happy about it. Just sounds to me like you're one of these typically narrow minded fans that sees any English manager as being a boring old fart with no personality whose teams only ever play crap defensive football. Even if he didn't play gung ho attacking football trying to win every game 7-0, the way he got Millwall playing certainly reaped rewards. If sacrificing all out attack no holds barred football gets us back to back top half finishes (never mind the 4 in a row he had with Millwall), then I'd be very happy for that sacrifice to be made. Most of the last 5 and a half years (going back to the second Prem season) have been utter dogshit, losing every week with let's be honest, rubbish football. Gary as I said I don’t think you are a bad manager I just wouldn’t want to watch your teams play every week. Don’t understand why you are having a go at me 😂 Just have a quick scan of their forums and the words negative, defensive and boring are common themes. Yes some fans will have been happy he got them safe in mid table every season and if that is what the limit to your ambitions are I respect that. I personally just want more, whether that’s entitlement or unrealistic probably but it’s not illegal to want more. It’s a discussion forum and my view is a rowett would fix things short term and keep us up no problem but we would be paying off another manager within the next season IMO
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 4, 2024 23:11:30 GMT 1
The club should involve the fans... a decision made by those in charge has a 90% failure rate. I reckon I can tell you if a manager is any good within 30 seconds of his first interview... even if he is good, within 30 seconds the fans will judge them as a 👍 or 👎 I remember townrwe having an equally mental suggestion like that before. 44 pages of ideas and we should be consulting fans 😂😂😂. I agree we don’t have a very successful history but surely the guy at the top has to have the final decision. I just hope we don’t appoint someone who ‘plays attacking football’ or similar bullshit.
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Feb 4, 2024 23:14:17 GMT 1
They were 7th in the league having just beaten Ipswich 2 days before sacking him and hadn't been lower than 7th since September. I don't recall them being predicted as promotion contenders. Can you find me some evidence that the fans hated the football they saw on the pitch? From what I can see they were very surprised to see him go and weren't happy about it. Just sounds to me like you're one of these typically narrow minded fans that sees any English manager as being a boring old fart with no personality whose teams only ever play crap defensive football. Even if he didn't play gung ho attacking football trying to win every game 7-0, the way he got Millwall playing certainly reaped rewards. If sacrificing all out attack no holds barred football gets us back to back top half finishes (never mind the 4 in a row he had with Millwall), then I'd be very happy for that sacrifice to be made. Most of the last 5 and a half years (going back to the second Prem season) have been utter dogshit, losing every week with let's be honest, rubbish football. Gary as I said I don’t think you are a bad manager I just wouldn’t want to watch your teams play every week. Don’t understand why you are having a go at me 😂 Just have a quick scan of their forums and the words negative, defensive and boring are common themes. Yes some fans will have been happy he got them safe in mid table every season and if that is what the limit to your ambitions are I respect that. I personally just want more, whether that’s entitlement or unrealistic probably but it’s not illegal to want more. It’s a discussion forum and my view is a rowett would fix things short term and keep us up no problem but we would be paying off another manager within the next season IMO Like I said, show me that they "hated" his style of football. I'm struggling how you've convinced yourself that if we did go for him, he's getting sacked in 12 months time regardless of where we are in the league.
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 4, 2024 23:16:52 GMT 1
If its duff from the reviews of Swansea fans... I'll be chucking my season card at him fter the first defeat. Duff doesn't play tippy happy football which seems to be deeply ingrained in Swansea and will most likely be a better for us and the capability of our squad.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 23:17:57 GMT 1
Gary as I said I don’t think you are a bad manager I just wouldn’t want to watch your teams play every week. Don’t understand why you are having a go at me 😂 Just have a quick scan of their forums and the words negative, defensive and boring are common themes. Yes some fans will have been happy he got them safe in mid table every season and if that is what the limit to your ambitions are I respect that. I personally just want more, whether that’s entitlement or unrealistic probably but it’s not illegal to want more. It’s a discussion forum and my view is a rowett would fix things short term and keep us up no problem but we would be paying off another manager within the next season IMO Like I said, show me that they "hated" his style of football. I'm struggling how you've convinced yourself that if we did go for him, he's getting sacked in 12 months time regardless of where we are in the league. What is this a court, do I need to provide evidence. I told you it doesn’t take long search their forum or Twitter. Here is a reply to a thread which sums it up, yeah he was in context a success but their fans thought it was boring and had stopped attending
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 23:22:17 GMT 1
Like I said, show me that they "hated" his style of football. I'm struggling how you've convinced yourself that if we did go for him, he's getting sacked in 12 months time regardless of where we are in the league. What is this a court, do I need to provide evidence. I told you it doesn’t take long search their forum or Twitter. Here is a reply to a thread which sums it up, yeah he was in context a success but their fans thought it was boring and had stopped attending You chat so much bull. 22/23 average 16.5k 21/22 average 14k 20/21 average 12.3k So attendances went up during his reign.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 23:23:57 GMT 1
What is this a court, do I need to provide evidence. I told you it doesn’t take long search their forum or Twitter. Here is a reply to a thread which sums it up, yeah he was in context a success but their fans thought it was boring and had stopped attending You chat so much bull. 22/23 average 16.5k 21/22 average 14k 20/21 average 12.3k So attendances went up during his reign. Am I chatting bull or the milwall fans quoted? And gates mean naff all and we know it, they could mean everyone’s buying season tickets like we do and not turning up because it’s dull.
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