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Post by mosher on Feb 5, 2024 16:32:40 GMT 1
Top post as usual mate, but the highlighted bit was NEVER said, not AT LEAST the season anyway. It was always the full season at most unless I misinterpreted King Colin's initial words pre-season? Happy to be corrected - my point was that I don't buy that Darren Moore was the "outstanding candidate" (I can see the argument he was credible) when NW was let go and Moore was appointed it didn't feel strategic, at least not to me. I just feel for all that I believe in Mr Nagle's sincerity, and welcome his recent openness, I am not convinced there is much of a plan or strategy. If he has delegated that to JE and MC then they need to be held to account as this season has, so far, been incredibly disappointing. There is of course time to recover this but the fact we are in a precarious position, again, doesn't reflect well on anyone. I think we are in complete agreement; the narrative around Moore's appointment was basically spin approaching Bliar standards, but I do (like you) believe KN is genuine regarding his intent for the club. I just hope he's not some clever** charlatan hoping to make a quick buck out of English football. ** If anyone thinks they can make a quick buck out of a Championship team then I wouldn't use clever to describe them
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 16:41:59 GMT 1
Happy to be corrected - my point was that I don't buy that Darren Moore was the "outstanding candidate" (I can see the argument he was credible) when NW was let go and Moore was appointed it didn't feel strategic, at least not to me. I just feel for all that I believe in Mr Nagle's sincerity, and welcome his recent openness, I am not convinced there is much of a plan or strategy. If he has delegated that to JE and MC then they need to be held to account as this season has, so far, been incredibly disappointing. There is of course time to recover this but the fact we are in a precarious position, again, doesn't reflect well on anyone. 'Outstanding candidate' 'Plays attacking style' Just sounds bites. Trying to make us think they actually know what they are doing. Id rather a bit of honesty, at the end of the day its normally pot luck anyway It is pot luck to a degree and for everyone who gets upset and emotional after a bad performance or result there are many more who can see what is presented in front of them. We can flower it up all we want but Darren Moore wasn't successful, in my view anyway, because he wasn't pragmatic, adaptable or positive enough in his attitude to winning games of football. As such it is entirely reasonable to challenge why he was an "outstanding candidate". The flip side it is easy to criticise glibly but in Moore's case we didn't see enough. As such you question those making the call for the next man. We watch enough football to know what works and what doesn't. Sometimes it isn't immediately obvious what a manager is doing (think back to NW in his first season many definitely wanted him out but he turned it round (one night at Edgely Park) and I would have had Carlos out in the December before we made the play off - so I am by no means always right) but equally it is obvious when things are wrong (think Schofield and Fotheringham - both cheap punts on champagne football at lemonade prices that failed dismally). I have said it before we need something we can get behind. That is the essence of what Mr Nagle should be challenging JE and MC to deliver. Moore gave us absolutely nothing to get behind. It doesn't take much and for all Saturday was far from brilliant it was most definitely a shift in mindset and approach.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 5, 2024 16:42:27 GMT 1
I hope you aren't suggesting he's a high calibre candidate that you alluded to the other day 😉 You tell me ?!? 😉🤣 You can't build up the fanbase by talking about high calibre managers and then have us appoint Duff. No offence to him but after that statement it's akin to Bromby going on radio talking about potentially appointing Wagner then bringing in Fotheringham. That comment raised expectations higher than duff I would imagine.
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Post by detox on Feb 5, 2024 16:43:51 GMT 1
The someone for 'now' could have been NW had he not gone to Aberdeen...and Town were prepared to eat a bit of humble pie. This is a mid season crisis we all saw coming after NW was terminated early. Think we're all gonna have to get over that now. No use crying over spilt milk as they say. Can't get over it until we're over it ...ie new manager getting a tune out of the team and we're rising up the table. Then I'll be over it.
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Post by Sio on Feb 5, 2024 16:45:43 GMT 1
You can't build up the fanbase by talking about high calibre managers and then have us appoint Duff. No offence to him but after that statement it's akin to Bromby going on radio talking about potentially appointing Wagner then bringing in Fotheringham. That comment raised expectations higher than duff I would imagine. Genuine Q as I've been a bit distant from Nagle's videos etc, but where has he mentioned high-calibre candidates?
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 16:46:12 GMT 1
Happy to be corrected - my point was that I don't buy that Darren Moore was the "outstanding candidate" (I can see the argument he was credible) when NW was let go and Moore was appointed it didn't feel strategic, at least not to me. I just feel for all that I believe in Mr Nagle's sincerity, and welcome his recent openness, I am not convinced there is much of a plan or strategy. If he has delegated that to JE and MC then they need to be held to account as this season has, so far, been incredibly disappointing. There is of course time to recover this but the fact we are in a precarious position, again, doesn't reflect well on anyone. I think we are in complete agreement; the narrative around Moore's appointment was basically spin approaching Bliar standards, but I do (like you) believe KN is genuine regarding his intent for the club. I just hope he's not some clever** charlatan hoping to make a quick buck out of English football. ** If anyone thinks they can make a quick buck out of a Championship team then I wouldn't use clever to describe them I don't think he is a charlatan at all but I do think he has delegated to people who he believes has the knowledge of English football to achieve something (as I said before I would like to know what "something" really is ie what does good/success look like). Are those he has chosen up to the job? Well it does depend on their report card and what they were asked to do but I don't sense Mr Nagle suffers fools or failures so we will see. The pressure is on in the board room, and quite rightly so. The problem is if they don't get it right we all suffer.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 16:48:18 GMT 1
You can't build up the fanbase by talking about high calibre managers and then have us appoint Duff. No offence to him but after that statement it's akin to Bromby going on radio talking about potentially appointing Wagner then bringing in Fotheringham. That comment raised expectations higher than duff I would imagine. Genuine Q as I've been a bit distant from Nagle's videos etc, but where has he mentioned high-calibre candidates? Desertstorm (who I am not having a pop at, at all, suggested we might be "pleasantly surprised" at the candidates being considered. I am sure he'll clarify (as much as he can).
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 5, 2024 16:49:21 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still.
1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work)
expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game.
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 16:51:18 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Welcome, Ange!
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Post by htfcterry on Feb 5, 2024 16:52:34 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Yeah your credibility went last week. Save yourself some time and log off 😊
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 5, 2024 16:53:53 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Welcome, Ange! he does have links with 2 of the above.
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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2024 16:54:23 GMT 1
Duff, Carsley, Muscat, Heckingbottom would be my guesses for this probably completely made up twaddle.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 5, 2024 16:55:02 GMT 1
Duff, Carsley, Muscat, Heckingbottom would be my guesses for this probably completely made up twaddle. good work 2 / 4 are correct.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 5, 2024 16:55:12 GMT 1
Sad thing is if we weren't paying off the previous 3 managers we would probably be fishing in a bigger pool.
Now Warnock has taken the Aberdeen job does this mean we don't have to pay him and his coaching staff out anymore?
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Post by jqhtfc on Feb 5, 2024 16:55:54 GMT 1
Duff, Carsley, Muscat, Heckingbottom would be my guesses for this probably completely made up twaddle. I’d swap carsley out for Ryan mason, but muscat took a job in china in December this will be bollocks as you’ve said
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Post by townohiofan on Feb 5, 2024 16:56:20 GMT 1
I like to think that castlehill is the best sourced person here but his sources just have a grudge against him so just tell him bs left and right.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 5, 2024 16:57:33 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Yeah your credibility went last week. Save yourself some time and log off 😊 Went long before last week mate.
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Post by crux on Feb 5, 2024 16:57:59 GMT 1
he does have links with 2 of the above. Ryan Mason & Kevin Muscat then? Probably Heckingbottom as your 4th one listed, rather than Cooper I suspect.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 16:58:29 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. I can rest easy now
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 16:58:42 GMT 1
he does have links with 2 of the above. Reading between the lines then, you’re saying Michael Duff Ryan Mason Kevin Muscat Steve Cooper
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 5, 2024 16:58:56 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. I went to a fake seance once and as per usual the medium was being advised by a Red Indian... you didn't hear this from Sitting Bull did you?
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Post by jjamez on Feb 5, 2024 16:58:58 GMT 1
Graham Arnold will be the aussie
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Post by jjamez on Feb 5, 2024 16:59:58 GMT 1
So duff, mason, Arnold, heckingbottom/cooper
I know what order mine would be if it is those 4!
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 5, 2024 17:01:42 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. If anything you just have to applaud the persistence and drive on your quest for that all important 'In the Know 👀' status. I applaud your tenacity and wish you all the best in posting complete and utter vague nonsense, long may it continue.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 5, 2024 17:02:16 GMT 1
I like to think that castlehill is the best sourced person here but his sources just have a grudge against him so just tell him bs left and right. I like to think I'm working towards an appearance on Live at the Apollo and will be 12 stone when it happens...
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Post by mosher on Feb 5, 2024 17:02:50 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. I went to a fake seance once and as per usual the medium was being advised by a Red Indian... you didn't hear this from Sitting Bull did you?Nope, it was his brother Shitting Bull
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 5, 2024 17:03:18 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. I went to a fake seance once and as per usual the medium was being advised by a Red Indian... you didn't hear this from Sitting Bull did you? I gigged with Clinton Baptiste on Friday and I trust his predictions infinitely more that Castlehill's
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Post by mosher on Feb 5, 2024 17:04:13 GMT 1
I went to a fake seance once and as per usual the medium was being advised by a Red Indian... you didn't hear this from Sitting Bull did you? I gigged with Clinton Baptiste on Friday and I trust his predictions infinitely more that Castlehill's Hang on mate, you've left behind this name you dropped
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 17:04:46 GMT 1
Sad thing is if we weren't paying off the previous 3 managers we would probably be fishing in a bigger pool. Now Warnock has taken the Aberdeen job does this mean we don't have to pay him and his coaching staff out anymore? Yes of course. You leave a job and get a new one, your contract ends how can you be paid?
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Post by desertstorm on Feb 5, 2024 17:05:17 GMT 1
You can't build up the fanbase by talking about high calibre managers and then have us appoint Duff. No offence to him but after that statement it's akin to Bromby going on radio talking about potentially appointing Wagner then bringing in Fotheringham. That comment raised expectations higher than duff I would imagine. Relax. All is good - Indeed, the candidates we are proactive with are certainly more high profile than Duff. We might have to be patient as our league position and current squad doesn’t make things an easy sell.
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