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Post by oneneilwarnock on Feb 5, 2024 17:05:58 GMT 1
he does have links with 2 of the above. Reading between the lines then, you’re saying Michael Duff Ryan Mason Kevin Muscat Steve Cooper Option 4 will be Scott Parker but then it could be Castlehill trying to plug his boy Darren Moore again 😂
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 5, 2024 17:06:42 GMT 1
I went to a fake seance once and as per usual the medium was being advised by a Red Indian... you didn't hear this from Sitting Bull did you? I gigged with Clinton Baptiste on Friday and I trust his predictions infinitely more that Castlehill's What were you giggling about... Castlehill or our prospective manager (hope it was the former).
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 5, 2024 17:07:49 GMT 1
You can't build up the fanbase by talking about high calibre managers and then have us appoint Duff. No offence to him but after that statement it's akin to Bromby going on radio talking about potentially appointing Wagner then bringing in Fotheringham. That comment raised expectations higher than duff I would imagine. Relax. All is good - Indeed, the candidates we are proactive with are certainly more high profile than Duff. We might have to be patient as our league position and current squad doesn’t make things an easy sell. See my earlier point on this. There is a lot of talent in this squad, albeit they are always injured. If a manager doesn't feel they can take the club away from where we are, then are they really good enough anyway? We only need someone good enough to turn draws into wins, that's a 1 goal swing. If someone is looking at a team that's outside of the bottom 3 and worried about relegation then that tells you everything about either the manager or the fact that our players simply aren't good enough.
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 17:07:49 GMT 1
Reading between the lines then, you’re saying Michael Duff Ryan Mason Kevin Muscat Steve Cooper Option 4 will be Scott Parker but then it could be Castlehill trying to plug his boy Darren Moore again 😂 Yeah - Could be Lampard or Hecky too. I’m glad castlehillterrier has kept his made up list nice and specific.
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Post by King Neil on Feb 5, 2024 17:09:42 GMT 1
Just think of the person you would least want as manager and that will be Cartwrights choice
It'll probably be Paul Ince..Steve Bruce or Alex neil
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Post by desertstorm on Feb 5, 2024 17:10:32 GMT 1
Relax. All is good - Indeed, the candidates we are proactive with are certainly more high profile than Duff. We might have to be patient as our league position and current squad doesn’t make things an easy sell. See my earlier point on this. There is a lot of talent in this squad, albeit they are always injured. If a manager doesn't feel they can take the club away from where we are, then are they really good enough anyway? We only need someone good enough to turn draws into wins, that's a 1 goal swing. If someone is looking at a team that's outside of the bottom 3 and worried about relegation then that tells you everything about either the manager or the fact that our players simply aren't good enough. It also tells you they may be of suitable calibre that they have other suitors in a higher division
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Post by Niggled on Feb 5, 2024 17:16:49 GMT 1
Duff, Carsley, Muscat, Heckingbottom would be my guesses for this probably completely made up twaddle. good work 2 / 4 are correct. You know the square root of fuck all. Now bore off
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Post by itkterrier on Feb 5, 2024 17:19:13 GMT 1
You can't build up the fanbase by talking about high calibre managers and then have us appoint Duff. No offence to him but after that statement it's akin to Bromby going on radio talking about potentially appointing Wagner then bringing in Fotheringham. That comment raised expectations higher than duff I would imagine. Relax. All is good - Indeed, the candidates we are proactive with are certainly more high profile than Duff. We might have to be patient as our league position and current squad doesn’t make things an easy sell. So basically, people are jumping to conclusions that Duff is signed sealed and delivered.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 5, 2024 17:20:27 GMT 1
What went wrong was that half our already weak, striker-light squad was out injured a lot of the time and he struggled to cope. Time and the January window has put that right, but they sacked him anyway. Not sure who they could have appointed back then who'd have coped very well with the hand Moore was dealt, though Im sure some might have done marginally better...some might have done worse too. His track record was sound, so not sure what they can learn from it, other than that it would be helpful to know what crisis is round the corner so they can appoint a manager who'll be able to cope with it. It'll be a gamble whoever it is, like it was with Moore. they'll probably go for someone who's more 'media comfortable' as that seemed to become a huge issue for a lot of fans. I take the point but I don't agree. There were definitely mitigations but Moore couldn't essentially find ways to win games of football. His inability to do so was highlighted by what Worthington achieved on Saturday. Don't get me wrong there wasn't a transformation but there was an intention to be positive and play forward. In truth the injury to Healy helped in as much as it allowed Wiles to show he has more than we have seen so far. Would Moore have made the same change? I doubt it very much. Was there? Dont think we had a shot until about 35 minutes in and at 65 minutes still looked less likely to score than Steve Cooper would on Love island. We got a set piece goal, then scored twice whilst they were attacking us..then they gave us a 4th. Koroma and Sorba took chances when they were presented..something they and other players havent done in previous games. I didnt see anything that wouldn't have happened if Moore had been the manager...unless people genuinely believe Hogg and Wiles would have thought 'Well I could play this ball through their AWOL back 4 to put him through on goal, but the gaffer wont want me to do that"
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 5, 2024 17:21:07 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Without being horrible as I don't normally criticise your posts, however, what you've put is mostly pretty obvious and anyone could post it without any inside info 1 - We've been heavily linked in the past and again now 2 - obvious suggestion as lots of coaches are looking for their first permanent job. We've appointed a number of them over the years 3 - ? 4 - covering the Heckingbotton or Cooper options. Plus the likes of Lampard, Parker, Ince, Pearson and probably others. Expecting to be sorted this week.....I think pretty much all of us are hoping / expecting it will be sorted this week as we're in a relegation battle and only 16 games left. 4 candidates left and talking to them further......It was 9-12 last week, so it's not a wild guess to say that it's been whittled down to 4, for further discussions. I appreciate you most probably do hear the odd snippet here and there, especially if you are who I think you are. But what you've posted is not really info that most of us could not post.
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Post by Melc on Feb 5, 2024 17:27:13 GMT 1
he does have links with 2 of the above. Reading between the lines then, you’re saying Michael Duff Ryan Mason Kevin Muscat Steve Cooper Reading between the lines he knows nothing. Always comes back on here when he has managed to scout around other peoples posts then adds his own bit of DUFF info.
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Post by desertstorm on Feb 5, 2024 17:27:17 GMT 1
Relax. All is good - Indeed, the candidates we are proactive with are certainly more high profile than Duff. We might have to be patient as our league position and current squad doesn’t make things an easy sell. So basically, people are jumping to conclusions that Duff is signed sealed and delivered. Correct - this is certainly not a foregone conclusion.
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 17:29:17 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Without being horrible as I don't normally criticise your posts, however, what you've put is mostly pretty obvious and anyone could post it without any inside info 1 - We've been heavily linked in the past and again now 2 - obvious suggestion as lots of coaches are looking for their first permanent job. We've appointed a number of them over the years 3 - ? 4 - covering the Heckingbotton or Cooper options. Plus the likes of Lampard, Parker, Ince, Pearson and probably others. Expecting to be sorted this week.....I think pretty much all of us are hoping / expecting it will be sorted this week as we're in a relegation battle and only 16 games left. 4 candidates left and talking to them further......It was 9-12 last week, so it's not a wild guess to say that it's been whittled down to 4, for further discussions. I appreciate you most probably do hear the odd snippet here and there, especially if you are who I think you are. But what you've posted is not really info that most of us could not post. Who do you think it is?
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Post by efesodje23 on Feb 5, 2024 17:34:21 GMT 1
Without being horrible as I don't normally criticise your posts, however, what you've put is mostly pretty obvious and anyone could post it without any inside info 1 - We've been heavily linked in the past and again now 2 - obvious suggestion as lots of coaches are looking for their first permanent job. We've appointed a number of them over the years 3 - ? 4 - covering the Heckingbotton or Cooper options. Plus the likes of Lampard, Parker, Ince, Pearson and probably others. Expecting to be sorted this week.....I think pretty much all of us are hoping / expecting it will be sorted this week as we're in a relegation battle and only 16 games left. 4 candidates left and talking to them further......It was 9-12 last week, so it's not a wild guess to say that it's been whittled down to 4, for further discussions. I appreciate you most probably do hear the odd snippet here and there, especially if you are who I think you are. But what you've posted is not really info that most of us could not post. Who do you think it is? Ann Hough
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Post by Melc on Feb 5, 2024 17:35:29 GMT 1
Relax. All is good - Indeed, the candidates we are proactive with are certainly more high profile than Duff. We might have to be patient as our league position and current squad doesn’t make things an easy sell. So basically, people are jumping to conclusions that Duff is signed sealed and delivered. Only Town could make two Duff appointments in a season if true.
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Post by royrace on Feb 5, 2024 17:36:28 GMT 1
I take the point but I don't agree. There were definitely mitigations but Moore couldn't essentially find ways to win games of football. His inability to do so was highlighted by what Worthington achieved on Saturday. Don't get me wrong there wasn't a transformation but there was an intention to be positive and play forward. In truth the injury to Healy helped in as much as it allowed Wiles to show he has more than we have seen so far. Would Moore have made the same change? I doubt it very much. Was there? Dont think we had a shot until about 35 minutes in and at 65 minutes still looked less likely to score than Steve Cooper would on Love island. We got a set piece goal, then scored twice whilst they were attacking us..then they gave us a 4th. Koroma and Sorba took chances when they were presented..something they and other players havent done in previous games. I didnt see anything that wouldn't have happened if Moore had been the manager...unless people genuinely believe Hogg and Wiles would have thought 'Well I could play this ball through their AWOL back 4 to put him through on goal, but the gaffer wont want me to do that" Moore would have shat himself at one nil up and we'd have drawn or lost. Anyone with eyes can see that. Honestly give over, Moore is and was a shit manager for town and should never have been appointed. The end. There's a Darren Moore thread if you want to keep telling us how great he was.
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Post by boooothy on Feb 5, 2024 17:37:39 GMT 1
Sad thing is if we weren't paying off the previous 3 managers we would probably be fishing in a bigger pool. Now Warnock has taken the Aberdeen job does this mean we don't have to pay him and his coaching staff out anymore? Yes of course. You leave a job and get a new one, your contract ends how can you be paid? I don’t believe for a minute Warnock would have taken another job if it cost him any money to do so.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 5, 2024 17:40:03 GMT 1
Was there? Dont think we had a shot until about 35 minutes in and at 65 minutes still looked less likely to score than Steve Cooper would on Love island. We got a set piece goal, then scored twice whilst they were attacking us..then they gave us a 4th. Koroma and Sorba took chances when they were presented..something they and other players havent done in previous games. I didnt see anything that wouldn't have happened if Moore had been the manager...unless people genuinely believe Hogg and Wiles would have thought 'Well I could play this ball through their AWOL back 4 to put him through on goal, but the gaffer wont want me to do that" Moore would have shat himself at one nil up and we'd have drawn or lost. Anyone with eyes can see that. Honestly give over, Moore is and was a shit manager for town and should never have been appointed. The end. There's a Darren Moore thread if you want to keep telling us how great he was. If you want to talk crap to fit your narrative about him, keep it on that thread then. I was talking to dugnet.
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Post by royrace on Feb 5, 2024 17:42:13 GMT 1
People are still responding to cht and seem to have missed the fact he's just a massive bullshitter.
Should I be classing this desert storm person similarly or is he/she genuinely itk?
This is what happens when the bullshitters are allowed to bullshit without sanction. It's very confusing!
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 5, 2024 17:49:50 GMT 1
People are still responding to cht and seem to have missed the fact he's just a massive bullshitter. Should I be classing this desert storm person similarly or is he/she genuinely itk? This is what happens when the bullshitters are allowed to bullshit without sanction. It's very confusing! no real track record - did say Warnock would stay in the summer, but then also said Moore would be gone very soon in mid-December, and we all know it took a while after that.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2024 17:51:45 GMT 1
I think we are in complete agreement; the narrative around Moore's appointment was basically spin approaching Bliar standards, but I do (like you) believe KN is genuine regarding his intent for the club. I just hope he's not some clever** charlatan hoping to make a quick buck out of English football. ** If anyone thinks they can make a quick buck out of a Championship team then I wouldn't use clever to describe them I don't think he is a charlatan at all but I do think he has delegated to people who he believes has the knowledge of English football to achieve something (as I said before I would like to know what "something" really is ie what does good/success look like). Are those he has chosen up to the job? Well it does depend on their report card and what they were asked to do but I don't sense Mr Nagle suffers fools or failures so we will see. The pressure is on in the board room, and quite rightly so. The problem is if they don't get it right we all suffer. Trouble is, the 2 he delegates to, 1 hadn't worked in English football for 4 or 5 years and the other has never worked in it other than as a player, has he ?
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Post by Wingman on Feb 5, 2024 17:52:41 GMT 1
People are still responding to cht and seem to have missed the fact he's just a massive bullshitter. Should I be classing this desert storm person similarly or is he/she genuinely itk? This is what happens when the bullshitters are allowed to bullshit without sanction. It's very confusing! It’s a bit tricky to resolve. They are like garden weeds, you remove one and another pops up nearby!
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Post by rickrast on Feb 5, 2024 17:53:42 GMT 1
Kill two birds with one stone...striker+manager. Kevin Phillips, our long, long overdue signing.....;-)
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 5, 2024 17:55:13 GMT 1
The only real issue the fans had is that Moore didn't win games. Saturday was rubbish for 65 minutes, but changed once we got the first goal. The atmosphere then lifted and it was enjoyable. More enjoyable than ANYTHING under Moore. If we'd have won 4-0 under Moore, the crowd would have been just as happy, but there's not a cat in hells chance we'd have done that. We'd have sat back on 1-0 and conceded the obligatory late equaliser. Every manager has injuries, it's not an excuse. Moore didn't win enough games, and quite frankly, his record is amongst the worst ever here. He is most definitely one of the worst managers we've ever had. He did have the 3-0 against Blackburn on Boxing Day but generally over the spell I take your point. He did, and everyone was happy.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2024 17:56:08 GMT 1
he does have links with 2 of the above. So that would be the Aussie coach and Ryan Mason ? With Heckinbottom being the 4th 🤔. None would hit the exciting, high calibre musings of DesertStorm.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 17:58:44 GMT 1
I take the point but I don't agree. There were definitely mitigations but Moore couldn't essentially find ways to win games of football. His inability to do so was highlighted by what Worthington achieved on Saturday. Don't get me wrong there wasn't a transformation but there was an intention to be positive and play forward. In truth the injury to Healy helped in as much as it allowed Wiles to show he has more than we have seen so far. Would Moore have made the same change? I doubt it very much. Was there? Dont think we had a shot until about 35 minutes in and at 65 minutes still looked less likely to score than Steve Cooper would on Love island. We got a set piece goal, then scored twice whilst they were attacking us..then they gave us a 4th. Koroma and Sorba took chances when they were presented..something they and other players havent done in previous games. I didnt see anything that wouldn't have happened if Moore had been the manager...unless people genuinely believe Hogg and Wiles would have thought 'Well I could play this ball through their AWOL back 4 to put him through on goal, but the gaffer wont want me to do that" I know you like a "debate" so I'll happily reaffirm my view of the game. We played higher up the pitch and looked to move the ball forward through the middle of the pitch, far more than in recent times. The maligned Wiles created our best opportunity in the 1st half when Sorba had that shot, on target I believe, the keeper smothered. The incident that saw him flagged offside immediately in the 2nd phase. We also didn't engage in aimlessly passing back and across the back line, which was definitely a Moore tactic. I didn't say it was by any means perfect but it was more positive by a long way. Your attempts are sarcasm regarding goals 2 and 3 are misplaced, unlike the crisp positive thinking that lead to both. I do agree that Moore did have some credentials to make him credible but his approach to games, even allowing for squad issues, was one dimensional and predictable. He's gone and we move on. If JW is in charge Saturday he'll have to come up with something different to get something from the game.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 17:59:30 GMT 1
I don't think he is a charlatan at all but I do think he has delegated to people who he believes has the knowledge of English football to achieve something (as I said before I would like to know what "something" really is ie what does good/success look like). Are those he has chosen up to the job? Well it does depend on their report card and what they were asked to do but I don't sense Mr Nagle suffers fools or failures so we will see. The pressure is on in the board room, and quite rightly so. The problem is if they don't get it right we all suffer. Trouble is, the 2 he delegates to, 1 hadn't worked in English football for 4 or 5 years and the other has never worked in it other than as a player, has he ? Absolutely and if they don't deliver they must be under scrutiny.
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Post by desertstorm on Feb 5, 2024 18:02:20 GMT 1
People are still responding to cht and seem to have missed the fact he's just a massive bullshitter. Should I be classing this desert storm person similarly or is he/she genuinely itk? This is what happens when the bullshitters are allowed to bullshit without sanction. It's very confusing! Absolute codswallop, don’t pay a blind bit of notice to what I say 😃
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 5, 2024 18:03:31 GMT 1
Moore would have shat himself at one nil up and we'd have drawn or lost. Anyone with eyes can see that. Honestly give over, Moore is and was a shit manager for town and should never have been appointed. The end. There's a Darren Moore thread if you want to keep telling us how great he was. If you want to talk crap to fit your narrative about him, keep it on that thread then. I was talking to dugnet. The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 5, 2024 18:03:38 GMT 1
People are still responding to cht and seem to have missed the fact he's just a massive bullshitter. Should I be classing this desert storm person similarly or is he/she genuinely itk? This is what happens when the bullshitters are allowed to bullshit without sanction. It's very confusing! Absolute codswallop, don’t pay a blind bit of notice to what I say 😃 Has castlehill got any of what he has said right in your opinnion , regarding the remaning 4 or are there more still ?
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