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Post by desertstorm on Feb 5, 2024 18:07:36 GMT 1
Absolute codswallop, don’t pay a blind bit of notice to what I say 😃 Has castlehill got any of what he has said right in your opinnion , regarding the remaning 4 or are there more still ? I’ll never discredit any other poster that puts their neck on the line on DATM Death Row 😂 I’ll always post what I can, no always when I find out and sometimes timing is important, particularly on sensitive matters. Everyone will have their own ideas about posters and that’s absolutely fine. No interest in ‘ITK’ status or discrediting anyone. Some of the stuff on here is a better read than the local papers 😅
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Post by hgterrier on Feb 5, 2024 18:14:38 GMT 1
Has castlehill got any of what he has said right in your opinnion , regarding the remaning 4 or are there more still ? I’ll never discredit any other poster that puts their neck on the line on DATM Death Row 😂 I’ll always post what I can, no always when I find out and sometimes timing is important, particularly on sensitive matters. Everyone will have their own ideas about posters and that’s absolutely fine. No interest in ‘ITK’ status or discrediting anyone. Some of the stuff on here is a better read than the local papers 😅 So....no answer there then? Interesting.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Feb 5, 2024 18:22:17 GMT 1
I’ll never discredit any other poster that puts their neck on the line on DATM Death Row 😂 I’ll always post what I can, no always when I find out and sometimes timing is important, particularly on sensitive matters. Everyone will have their own ideas about posters and that’s absolutely fine. No interest in ‘ITK’ status or discrediting anyone. Some of the stuff on here is a better read than the local papers 😅 So....no answer there then? Interesting. Are desertstorm and castlehill one and the same? Or do we have the greatest of rivals on our hands, the race to who is most in the know! Granted castlehill has been racing backwards from the start, I guess it is the taking part that counts.
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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2024 18:29:27 GMT 1
So....no answer there then? Interesting. Are desertstorm and castlehill one and the same? Or do we have the greatest of rivals on our hands, the race to who is most in the know! Granted castlehill has been racing backwards from the start, I guess it is the taking part that counts. No, as desertstorm posts useful information on here from time to time.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 5, 2024 18:29:47 GMT 1
If you want to talk crap to fit your narrative about him, keep it on that thread then. I was talking to dugnet. The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO.
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Post by desertstorm on Feb 5, 2024 18:41:09 GMT 1
So....no answer there then? Interesting. Are desertstorm and castlehill one and the same? Or do we have the greatest of rivals on our hands, the race to who is most in the know! Granted castlehill has been racing backwards from the start, I guess it is the taking part that counts. Well you never know, do you ?! ☺️
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Post by rockwall on Feb 5, 2024 18:41:35 GMT 1
The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO. Unfortunately the scoreline papered the crack over the performance up until the 1st goal. Sheff should have been 2 up had it not been for a Pearson block and Healey clearing off the line. Once we got the 1st and 2nd so quickly, everything changed. I hope that momentum isn't sacked out of us at Southampton. I do however have to say I could see players starting positions being more advanced. I didn't see any more intent to attack though. I agree with JoBurg regarding the passing from Hogg and Wiles. All in all, you both have valid points.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Feb 5, 2024 18:50:01 GMT 1
Are desertstorm and castlehill one and the same? Or do we have the greatest of rivals on our hands, the race to who is most in the know! Granted castlehill has been racing backwards from the start, I guess it is the taking part that counts. Well you never know, do you ?! ☺️ Very true, however I do prefer the idea of you and castlehill being rivals in search of the glory of being a true in the know😂
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Post by benhomly on Feb 5, 2024 18:50:38 GMT 1
People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO. Unfortunately the scoreline papered the crack over the performance up until the 1st goal. Sheff should have been 2 up had it not been for a Pearson block and Healey clearing off the line. Once we got the 1st and 2nd so quickly, everything changed. I hope that momentum isn't sacked out of us at Southampton. I do however have to say I could see players starting positions being more advanced. I didn't see any more intent to attack though. I agree with JoBurg regarding the passing from Hogg and Wiles. All in all, you both have valid points. Could have been 2 up maybe not should have been. Defending is a pretty fundamental part of the game and not every opening should result in a goal. Getting in the way of a shot and having someone on the line when a header is on target is pretty basic stuff really. They had 3 efforts on target, it would have been disappointing had 2 of them resulted in a goal. Scoreline certainly flattered us but if they're going to capitulate then fair play to us for taking advantage.
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Post by tyketaffy on Feb 5, 2024 18:55:30 GMT 1
If we were in a stronger position and safe already I would love the dream team of Baumgart ( he of the flat cap looking like he likes a pint or several) and Heff. They might not get the team playing any better just yet but any offical would be shit scared to give anything against us with those two on the touchline. Also with those two breathing down your neck I suspect the fourth official would give everything our way
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Post by desertstorm on Feb 5, 2024 18:58:36 GMT 1
Well you never know, do you ?! ☺️ Very true, however I do prefer the idea of you and castlehill being rivals in search of the glory of being a true in the know😂 ITK - The badge of honour - Promoted to glory!! 😅
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 5, 2024 18:59:58 GMT 1
Very true, however I do prefer the idea of you and castlehill being rivals in search of the glory of being a true in the know😂 ITK - The badge of honour - Promoted to glory!! 😅 In terms of my comments earlier, what i was actually asking was , in terms of the managers/ head coaches that are left in the running. Could you give us an idea of whom etc maybe left.?
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2024 19:09:37 GMT 1
Was there? Dont think we had a shot until about 35 minutes in and at 65 minutes still looked less likely to score than Steve Cooper would on Love island. We got a set piece goal, then scored twice whilst they were attacking us..then they gave us a 4th. Koroma and Sorba took chances when they were presented..something they and other players havent done in previous games. I didnt see anything that wouldn't have happened if Moore had been the manager...unless people genuinely believe Hogg and Wiles would have thought 'Well I could play this ball through their AWOL back 4 to put him through on goal, but the gaffer wont want me to do that" I know you like a "debate" so I'll happily reaffirm my view of the game. We played higher up the pitch and looked to move the ball forward through the middle of the pitch, far more than in recent times. The maligned Wiles created our best opportunity in the 1st half when Sorba had that shot, on target I believe, the keeper smothered. The incident that saw him flagged offside immediately in the 2nd phase. We also didn't engage in aimlessly passing back and across the back line, which was definitely a Moore tactic. I didn't say it was by any means perfect but it was more positive by a long way. Your attempts are sarcasm regarding goals 2 and 3 are misplaced, unlike the crisp positive thinking that lead to both. I do agree that Moore did have some credentials to make him credible but his approach to games, even allowing for squad issues, was one dimensional and predictable. He's gone and we move on. If JW is in charge Saturday he'll have to come up with something different to get something from the game. Plus he'd have had 5 at the back and no wingers
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Post by conman on Feb 5, 2024 19:38:59 GMT 1
If you want to talk crap to fit your narrative about him, keep it on that thread then. I was talking to dugnet. The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have Post of the year for me . "Looks very very much like Matty Pearson... Without actually being him" I still haven't worked it out.. DATM comedy gold.
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Post by bentley316 on Feb 5, 2024 19:43:50 GMT 1
The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have Post of the year for me . "Looks very very much like Matty Pearson... Without actually being him" I still haven't worked it out.. DATM comedy gold. Im assuming his dad.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 5, 2024 19:52:45 GMT 1
The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have Post of the year for me . "Looks very very much like Matty Pearson... Without actually being him" I still haven't worked it out.. DATM comedy gold. Thoroughly enjoyed that too…I can’t decide if it actually is Matty Pearson but the “without actually being him” is to protect Matty Pearson or if we have someone else who actually looks like him that iv missed!😀 That said many of the points are on the money. It just didn’t work essentially….I think Moore struggled to know how to get the best out of the squad in an attacking sense without ending up with the results of the Birmingham Cardiff and Leeds games.Think he was risk averse at heart and it showed.I always said when the injuries were in full flow that I couldn’t say Moore wasn’t the right man because there were too many caveats(some will call the excuses) to throw in the mix.By the end they weren’t there and it was obvious.I also believe they have left it to when they have because they had already decided he wasn’t the man for the long term but were hoping he could pick up some results in this recent run to suggest we could muddle through fairly comfortably to the end of the season with him.To then get rid and bring someone in in a more suitable situation(nobody mention position of strength though) Anyway Matty Pearsons got a doppelgänger…who knew!
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 5, 2024 19:58:00 GMT 1
Kill two birds with one stone...striker+manager. Kevin Phillips, our long, long overdue signing.....;-) Too late, took the job at Hartlepool last week.
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 5, 2024 20:10:07 GMT 1
The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO. Pearson was being used mainly as the near post flick on option at set pieces under DM, certainly for a lot of the matches Matty played under him. That’s not my opinion thats from a bloke a few years older than Matty that looks very very much like him, prior to the QPR match at home. I then saw that with my own eyes during that match and other matches. Pearsons post match interview was not a surprise and i found it quite interesting that they picked him for the interview. He’s a lad that’ll just say what he thinks. I don’t claim we were set up night and day differently to what moore did. That’s direct from people that would know how we are been set up that i’ve spoken to since 5pm Saturday. How you are set up is not just formation. It’s also got a lot to do with what you look to do with the ball and out of possession. As well as your mentality. We were definitely playing a back 5 under Moore, with the Wing backs instructed to sit deep and only break on the counter. As well as our 3 midfielders told to sit deep and to keep shape when out of possession. I’ll say again, that’s not my opinion. If i’m told something by someone doing it, then it’s likely true. They were definitely not instructed to sit that deep on saturday. How often did we take quick free kicks under Moore. Near enough never. Would Hogg have taken that free kick under Moore. No he wouldn’t because Sorba would have been jogging over to take it and the centre back slowly jogging up into the opposition box Posters have moaned about Ben Jackson not venturing beyond the half way line and playing sideway and back, is that his natural game or managerial tactics. Having watched him in the B team and having a Donny Rovers supporting mate, i would suggest it’s not his natural game. How many times did the defence or Hogg pass sideways or back on Saturday? You and i may not have seen them ‘going for it’ any more than they did under DM. But they definitely were. Again not my opinion from what i saw, but what i’ve been told, by lads that would know. I’ve just asked one if he thinks we’d have won 4-0 on Saturday under Darren Moore……..He just 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I was told by and posted last week that a current first team player, who played on Saturday, that of the 6 permanent managers he’s had since been at town who’s the best and the worst. He said either Fortheringham or Moore were the worst. Anyway, I know you’re not really one for admitting you’re probably wrong. So stick to your opinion….I’ll go with what lads that would know say UTT
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 5, 2024 20:12:23 GMT 1
The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have Post of the year for me . "Looks very very much like Matty Pearson... Without actually being him" I still haven't worked it out.. DATM comedy gold. I’m told i look like my dad and that my 14 year old looks like me……come on it’s not that hard. Most lads in their 30’s look a lot like their……….unless mum was a bit naughty
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2024 20:19:37 GMT 1
The way Worthy set the team up to play and the mindset and mentality of the performance was night and day to what DM did....... Trust me when I tell you that's from one of the lads who played on Saturday!! DM was incredibly defensive with 532 - It wasn't 352 as the wing back starting positions was too defensive to be 352. It was a back 5. Again, not just my opinion....... Against Preston he started with Koroma and Thomas as defensive wing backs. Indeed he kept talking to JK and telling him to stay back and in shape rather than going forward. Again, not just my opinion.... He also had 3 DM in the starting line up. Kasumu, Austerfield and Hogg. Hogg was the one with the responsibility to sit in the middle of the 3 and spring forward and press. Again not just my opinion. He then pulls Ward off and puts Diarra at RWB........So not REG who a few days earlier had said was a natural wing back (which every Town fan knows he's not). Anyone who's ever seen Brahima play should be able to tell that he's not a wing back....He'd struggle in my lads U14s as a wing back (And Brahima is 20). Indeed my 14 year old, left footed lad would make a better RWB back than Diarra. I recon he'd agree with that as well. I will also tell you for a fact that Person would not have scored that goal under DM, as DM and his team had Pearson doing a completely different job on Free Kicks. Under DM Pearson would not have been in that position to challenge for the ball. He would have been in another position. And before you ask me how do I know!!! Well the bloke that told me looks very very much like Matty Pearson...without actually being him (work it out). DM had a good record on paper before joining us and I thought it was a decent appointment. In the end it wasn't. He was a poor appointment, could have done a lot better with the players he did have available and we wouldn't have won 4-0 on last Saturday..... People are not talking crap when they say DM was a shit manager at Town......And it's not just fans that think it. He had challenges yes, but could of and should have done better with what he did have People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO. But you're not fitting it to your narrative ? Have you watched the same shit the rest of us have since he took over 🤷
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 5, 2024 20:20:53 GMT 1
Just to add to Joburgjon’s posts, which I entirely agree with, you could tell right from kick off that there was more urgency in the team. Admittedly, it didn’t translate into more exciting and attacking football in the first half compared to a typical performance under DM, but the more positive intent was there. Throw ins and some clearances by Nicholls were generally quicker than what we’d been seeing. Minor things, but signs of a more positive mindset nonetheless.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2024 20:21:03 GMT 1
People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO. Unfortunately the scoreline papered the crack over the performance up until the 1st goal. Sheff should have been 2 up had it not been for a Pearson block and Healey clearing off the line. Once we got the 1st and 2nd so quickly, everything changed. I hope that momentum isn't sacked out of us at Southampton. I do however have to say I could see players starting positions being more advanced. I didn't see any more intent to attack though. I agree with JoBurg regarding the passing from Hogg and Wiles. All in all, you both have valid points. Don't get splinters from sitting on that fence, Rocky 😉😁
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Post by dezzly on Feb 5, 2024 20:30:45 GMT 1
People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO. Pearson was being used mainly as the near post flick on option at set pieces under DM, certainly for a lot of the matches Matty played under him. That’s not my opinion thats from a bloke a few years older than Matty that looks very very much like him, prior to the QPR match at home. I then saw that with my own eyes during that match and other matches. Pearsons post match interview was not a surprise and i found it quite interesting that they picked him for the interview. He’s a lad that’ll just say what he thinks. I don’t claim we were set up night and day differently to what moore did. That’s direct from people that would know how we are been set up that i’ve spoken to since 5pm Saturday. How you are set up is not just formation. It’s also got a lot to do with what you look to do with the ball and out of possession. As well as your mentality. We were definitely playing a back 5 under Moore, with the Wing backs instructed to sit deep and only break on the counter. As well as our 3 midfielders told to sit deep and to keep shape when out of possession. I’ll say again, that’s not my opinion. If i’m told something by someone doing it, then it’s likely true. They were definitely not instructed to sit that deep on saturday. How often did we take quick free kicks under Moore. Near enough never. Would Hogg have taken that free kick under Moore. No he wouldn’t because Sorba would have been jogging over to take it and the centre back slowly jogging up into the opposition box Posters have moaned about Ben Jackson not venturing beyond the half way line and playing sideway and back, is that his natural game or managerial tactics. Having watched him in the B team and having a Donny Rovers supporting mate, i would suggest it’s not his natural game. How many times did the defence or Hogg pass sideways or back on Saturday? You and i may not have seen them ‘going for it’ any more than they did under DM. But they definitely were. Again not my opinion from what i saw, but what i’ve been told, by lads that would know. I’ve just asked one if he thinks we’d have won 4-0 on Saturday under Darren Moore……..He just 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I was told by and posted last week that a current first team player, who played on Saturday, that of the 6 permanent managers he’s had since been at town who’s the best and the worst. He said either Fortheringham or Moore were the worst. Anyway, I know you’re not really one for admitting you’re probably wrong. So stick to your opinion….I’ll go with what lads that would know say UTT Fair post.Not sure how can really argue with it if it is from the horses mouth essentially. I was always adamant that from Bristol onwards it wasn’t the flat five and more a 3-5-2 however I see what your saying that even if it wasn’t completely a flat 5 that the wing backs were so much deeper than would normally be expected that it was actually really a 5. On the Jackson bit,against Plymouth at home there were blokes behind me screaming as Jackson wasn’t making the run down the line when I think maybe rudoni had the ball.I at the time believed it was because sorba had run the channel(when playing up front) and taken up the space but it’s good to hear that actually he was under instruction. Some might see it as bending the truth to suit the narrative but seems fairly honest and face value to be honest.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2024 20:34:45 GMT 1
Pearson was being used mainly as the near post flick on option at set pieces under DM, certainly for a lot of the matches Matty played under him. That’s not my opinion thats from a bloke a few years older than Matty that looks very very much like him, prior to the QPR match at home. I then saw that with my own eyes during that match and other matches. Pearsons post match interview was not a surprise and i found it quite interesting that they picked him for the interview. He’s a lad that’ll just say what he thinks. I don’t claim we were set up night and day differently to what moore did. That’s direct from people that would know how we are been set up that i’ve spoken to since 5pm Saturday. How you are set up is not just formation. It’s also got a lot to do with what you look to do with the ball and out of possession. As well as your mentality. We were definitely playing a back 5 under Moore, with the Wing backs instructed to sit deep and only break on the counter. As well as our 3 midfielders told to sit deep and to keep shape when out of possession. I’ll say again, that’s not my opinion. If i’m told something by someone doing it, then it’s likely true. They were definitely not instructed to sit that deep on saturday. How often did we take quick free kicks under Moore. Near enough never. Would Hogg have taken that free kick under Moore. No he wouldn’t because Sorba would have been jogging over to take it and the centre back slowly jogging up into the opposition box Posters have moaned about Ben Jackson not venturing beyond the half way line and playing sideway and back, is that his natural game or managerial tactics. Having watched him in the B team and having a Donny Rovers supporting mate, i would suggest it’s not his natural game. How many times did the defence or Hogg pass sideways or back on Saturday? You and i may not have seen them ‘going for it’ any more than they did under DM. But they definitely were. Again not my opinion from what i saw, but what i’ve been told, by lads that would know. I’ve just asked one if he thinks we’d have won 4-0 on Saturday under Darren Moore……..He just 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I was told by and posted last week that a current first team player, who played on Saturday, that of the 6 permanent managers he’s had since been at town who’s the best and the worst. He said either Fortheringham or Moore were the worst. Anyway, I know you’re not really one for admitting you’re probably wrong. So stick to your opinion….I’ll go with what lads that would know say UTT Fair post.Not sure how can really argue with it if it is from the horses mouth essentially. I was always adamant that from Bristol onwards it wasn’t the flat five and more a 3-5-2 however I see what your saying that even if it wasn’t completely a flat 5 that the wing backs were so much deeper than would normally be expected that it was actually really a 5. On the Jackson bit,against Plymouth at home there were blokes behind me screaming as Jackson wasn’t making the run down the line when I think maybe rudoni had the ball.I at the time believed it was because sorba had run the channel(when playing up front) and taken up the space but it’s good to hear that actually he was under instruction. Some might see it as bending the truth to suit the narrative but seems fairly honest and face value to be honest. I'd wondered if it was due to instructions. I think I posted after the game that that was the most conservative I'd ever seen Jacko play.
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Post by 2ellandback on Feb 5, 2024 20:36:27 GMT 1
Post of the year for me . "Looks very very much like Matty Pearson... Without actually being him" I still haven't worked it out.. DATM comedy gold. I’m told i look like my dad and that my 14 year old looks like me……come on it’s not that hard. Most lads in their 30’s look a lot like their……….unless mum was a bit naughty
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 5, 2024 20:43:25 GMT 1
People are talking crap IMO when they say Moore would have shat himself and we'd have drawn or lost that game. I dont really get the Pearson claim you make at all,hes always ups for corners..he didnt do anything amazing, just outmuscled their player who was pretty weak... but Im not having the idea that Hogg and Wiles would have NOT taken the opportunity to play the through balls they did when the opportunity was staring them in the face, like Moore would not want them to do that. Thats just nonsense. They must have got a right doing for the 3-0 win against Blackburn if that was the case rather than the 1-0 win Moore will have wanted. You claim the way we set up was night and day to what Moore did..well it was a different formation but you cant tell me you thought we were 'going for it' any more. We barely had an effort on goal for the first hour and up until the 1st goal were probably second best against a really poor side! The 2nd and 3rd goals came when we were soaking up pressure from them, not the other way round. We took the chances when they came and punished them..that was what was chalk and cheese. Im not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and Ive said all along I think he struggled badly to cope with the injury situation we had..but people are bending events to fit their narrative about him a lot IMO. Pearson was being used mainly as the near post flick on option at set pieces under DM, certainly for a lot of the matches Matty played under him. That’s not my opinion thats from a bloke a few years older than Matty that looks very very much like him, prior to the QPR match at home. I then saw that with my own eyes during that match and other matches. Pearsons post match interview was not a surprise and i found it quite interesting that they picked him for the interview. He’s a lad that’ll just say what he thinks. I don’t claim we were set up night and day differently to what moore did. That’s direct from people that would know how we are been set up that i’ve spoken to since 5pm Saturday. How you are set up is not just formation. It’s also got a lot to do with what you look to do with the ball and out of possession. As well as your mentality. We were definitely playing a back 5 under Moore, with the Wing backs instructed to sit deep and only break on the counter. As well as our 3 midfielders told to sit deep and to keep shape when out of possession. I’ll say again, that’s not my opinion. If i’m told something by someone doing it, then it’s likely true. They were definitely not instructed to sit that deep on saturday. How often did we take quick free kicks under Moore. Near enough never. Would Hogg have taken that free kick under Moore. No he wouldn’t because Sorba would have been jogging over to take it and the centre back slowly jogging up into the opposition box Posters have moaned about Ben Jackson not venturing beyond the half way line and playing sideway and back, is that his natural game or managerial tactics. Having watched him in the B team and having a Donny Rovers supporting mate, i would suggest it’s not his natural game. How many times did the defence or Hogg pass sideways or back on Saturday? You and i may not have seen them ‘going for it’ any more than they did under DM. But they definitely were. Again not my opinion from what i saw, but what i’ve been told, by lads that would know. I’ve just asked one if he thinks we’d have won 4-0 on Saturday under Darren Moore……..He just 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I was told by and posted last week that a current first team player, who played on Saturday, that of the 6 permanent managers he’s had since been at town who’s the best and the worst. He said either Fortheringham or Moore were the worst. Anyway, I know you’re not really one for admitting you’re probably wrong. So stick to your opinion….I’ll go with what lads that would know say UTT I read that with the voice of Ross Kemp on extras in my head. I've spoken to real SAS people and they should know what it stands for! Super Army Soldiers
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Post by conman on Feb 5, 2024 20:54:37 GMT 1
Post of the year for me . "Looks very very much like Matty Pearson... Without actually being him" I still haven't worked it out.. DATM comedy gold. I’m told i look like my dad and that my 14 year old looks like me……come on it’s not that hard. Most lads in their 30’s look a lot like their……….unless mum was a bit naughty I'm with you now . By the way , I liked your post and also agreed with the majority of it 👍 I don't normally read through long drawn out rants , but yours was quite enjoyable and straight to the point..
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Post by boooothy on Feb 5, 2024 20:54:38 GMT 1
I’d like Frank Lampard and his Chelsea connections. Can’t see him getting a better job or him taking a worse one.
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Post by diakhabydaily on Feb 5, 2024 21:06:56 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Are they bringing Willock with them?
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Post by bristolterrier on Feb 5, 2024 21:16:10 GMT 1
Sad thing is if we weren't paying off the previous 3 managers we would probably be fishing in a bigger pool. Now Warnock has taken the Aberdeen job does this mean we don't have to pay him and his coaching staff out anymore? I worked for a businessman for over 20 yrs and during that time he owned a Premier League Club, which he told me was the worst business decision he ever made. The idea that all football managers when dismissed get their contracts paid up is a complete myth.Most are on notice periods just like the majority on this board. Only the very top clubs and top managers would possibly have a clause in their contracts to pay up part or the full term of that contract.The vast majority of clubs would be bankrupt if they had to pay the wages of 2 or 3 managers and their staff at the same time. Its just not feasible.
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