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Post by waggers on Feb 5, 2024 21:20:24 GMT 1
Sad thing is if we weren't paying off the previous 3 managers we would probably be fishing in a bigger pool. Now Warnock has taken the Aberdeen job does this mean we don't have to pay him and his coaching staff out anymore? I worked for a businessman for over 20 yrs and during that time he owned a Premier League Club, which he told me was the worst business decision he ever made. The idea that all football managers when dismissed get their contracts paid up is a complete myth.Most are on notice periods just like the majority on this board. Only the very top clubs and top managers would possibly have a clause in their contracts to pay up part or the full term of that contract.The vast majority of clubs would be bankrupt if they had to pay the wages of 2 or 3 managers and their staff at the same time. Its just not feasible. I believe you're right. I think there is an early dismissal fee paid to a sacked manager but it is relative to their value. Fotheringham certainly wouldn't have been an expensive sacking. Moore had a lot of staff but I doubt it was a huge lump. Performance clauses likely made it cheaper to get rid of Moore too.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 5, 2024 21:47:01 GMT 1
Sad thing is if we weren't paying off the previous 3 managers we would probably be fishing in a bigger pool. Now Warnock has taken the Aberdeen job does this mean we don't have to pay him and his coaching staff out anymore? I worked for a businessman for over 20 yrs and during that time he owned a Premier League Club, which he told me was the worst business decision he ever made. The idea that all football managers when dismissed get their contracts paid up is a complete myth.Most are on notice periods just like the majority on this board. Only the very top clubs and top managers would possibly have a clause in their contracts to pay up part or the full term of that contract.The vast majority of clubs would be bankrupt if they had to pay the wages of 2 or 3 managers and their staff at the same time. Its just not feasible. I'm sure Warnock said in his leaving press conference that the club were honouring their contracts.
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Post by diakhabydaily on Feb 5, 2024 21:48:51 GMT 1
Post of the year for me . "Looks very very much like Matty Pearson... Without actually being him" I still haven't worked it out.. DATM comedy gold. Im assuming his dad. Is it his daughter?
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Post by dezzly on Feb 5, 2024 21:49:59 GMT 1
Sad thing is if we weren't paying off the previous 3 managers we would probably be fishing in a bigger pool. Now Warnock has taken the Aberdeen job does this mean we don't have to pay him and his coaching staff out anymore? I worked for a businessman for over 20 yrs and during that time he owned a Premier League Club, which he told me was the worst business decision he ever made. The idea that all football managers when dismissed get their contracts paid up is a complete myth.Most are on notice periods just like the majority on this board. Only the very top clubs and top managers would possibly have a clause in their contracts to pay up part or the full term of that contract.The vast majority of clubs would be bankrupt if they had to pay the wages of 2 or 3 managers and their staff at the same time. It’s just not feasible. Whilst that sounds like complete sense,Kev in his last diary did actually say we still had 2 managers on the payroll,or words to that effect I can’t remember it word for word
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Post by waggers on Feb 5, 2024 22:15:19 GMT 1
I worked for a businessman for over 20 yrs and during that time he owned a Premier League Club, which he told me was the worst business decision he ever made. The idea that all football managers when dismissed get their contracts paid up is a complete myth.Most are on notice periods just like the majority on this board. Only the very top clubs and top managers would possibly have a clause in their contracts to pay up part or the full term of that contract.The vast majority of clubs would be bankrupt if they had to pay the wages of 2 or 3 managers and their staff at the same time. It’s just not feasible. Whilst that sounds like complete sense,Kev in his last diary did actually say we still had 2 managers on the payroll,or words to that effect I can’t remember it word for word Aye they will be, but it isn't a full contract pay off. I can't remember who talked about this but it was someone talking about the subject on Talksport. I believe they get a % of the salary or a previously agreed post sacking amount. Huge named managers might get a much larger sacking pay off but the likes of Foz and Moore, although costly it shouldn't prevent us from making appointments we would like to make.
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Post by Stewpot on Feb 5, 2024 22:49:43 GMT 1
Whilst that sounds like complete sense,Kev in his last diary did actually say we still had 2 managers on the payroll,or words to that effect I can’t remember it word for word Aye they will be, but it isn't a full contract pay off. I can't remember who talked about this but it was someone talking about the subject on Talksport. I believe they get a % of the salary or a previously agreed post sacking amount. Huge named managers might get a much larger sacking pay off but the likes of Foz and Moore, although costly it shouldn't prevent us from making appointments we would like to make. Surely they’re legally obliged pay up the contract - that's the point of having a contract of employment in the first place. My understanding is that the only way a club can get out of fully paying up the remaining part of the contract is if they negotiate with the manager and he agrees to waive part of the remaining sum due so that they can take up a new position immediately. I have researched this a bit recently, and it appears in the murky world of football manager hiring/firing that if too stringent clauses are placed into the contract at outset, that might scare off the better prospects. I didn't find any examples of failing performance targets tied in to making that a valid reason to escape paying up the contract on dismissal. Are performance targets commonly applied at the outset, I don't know. Interesting topic! Here is one of the articles I came across, one of the better explained ones I think. www.chambersstudent.co.uk/commercial-awareness-memo/the-memo-the-strange-world-of-football-s-managerial-dismissals
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Post by boooothy on Feb 5, 2024 23:08:18 GMT 1
There’s no set rules about getting sacked, it’s whatever gets agreed. When Warnock said whatever his name is “green behind the ears” i took as meaning he got exactly what he wanted.
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Post by 4 pts on Feb 5, 2024 23:12:44 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. Not posted on here for quite a while but I always read everything and you my friend are either a kid thats had his xbox taken off him or just simply an adult that craves attention. I know 3 players at town and have regular conversations with them. And not that a player should know the inner workings of a football club, but when I ask them certain leading questions, (knowing perfectly well that walls have ears) it is always completely different to anything you post. I've tried blocking you but people respond and I always end up reading the fallout of something you lit a fire under 4 pages ago. Please quit the act and the bullshit.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 5, 2024 23:42:34 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter
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Post by waggers on Feb 6, 2024 0:01:06 GMT 1
Aye they will be, but it isn't a full contract pay off. I can't remember who talked about this but it was someone talking about the subject on Talksport. I believe they get a % of the salary or a previously agreed post sacking amount. Huge named managers might get a much larger sacking pay off but the likes of Foz and Moore, although costly it shouldn't prevent us from making appointments we would like to make. Surely they’re legally obliged pay up the contract - that's the point of having a contract of employment in the first place. My understanding is that the only way a club can get out of fully paying up the remaining part of the contract is if they negotiate with the manager and he agrees to waive part of the remaining sum due so that they can take up a new position immediately. I have researched this a bit recently, and it appears in the murky world of football manager hiring/firing that if too stringent clauses are placed into the contract at outset, that might scare off the better prospects. I didn't find any examples of failing performance targets tied in to making that a valid reason to escape paying up the contract on dismissal. Are performance targets commonly applied at the outset, I don't know. Interesting topic! Here is one of the articles I came across, one of the better explained ones I think. www.chambersstudent.co.uk/commercial-awareness-memo/the-memo-the-strange-world-of-football-s-managerial-dismissalsYou may be correct, I'm just going off the discussion I heard on Talksport. If I was s chairman I'd try and get something in the contract set so if I sacked the manager there was an agreed fee in place. I'd be surprised if that isn't the case when it comes to managers of teams in the lower tiers. I'll do some digging tomorrow and try and get some additional information. Moore will get another League 1 job either way, surely he stops getting paid by us then anyway.
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 6, 2024 0:05:09 GMT 1
I’d like Frank Lampard and his Chelsea connections. Can’t see him getting a better job or him taking a worse one. Do you want to support a League 1 club, that would be self sabotage
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Post by incognito on Feb 6, 2024 0:20:34 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter You need to be searching for random Pa olo Bianco odds requests on Twitter
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2024 0:21:16 GMT 1
I worked for a businessman for over 20 yrs and during that time he owned a Premier League Club, which he told me was the worst business decision he ever made. The idea that all football managers when dismissed get their contracts paid up is a complete myth.Most are on notice periods just like the majority on this board. Only the very top clubs and top managers would possibly have a clause in their contracts to pay up part or the full term of that contract.The vast majority of clubs would be bankrupt if they had to pay the wages of 2 or 3 managers and their staff at the same time. Its just not feasible. I'm sure Warnock said in his leaving press conference that the club were honouring their contracts. He was on a win-win of course. He’ll have negotiated that, and had KN tried to short change him I’m sure him and Ronnie would have used litigation. Imagine if you were offered similar? We want you to do an interim job for a year, but if we find out permanent hire at any point in that period, we’ll pay you the full whack. At 74 yo, you’d snap their hand off…
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2024 0:24:18 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter You need to be searching for random Pa olo Bianco odds requests on Twitter Maybe there’s a few folk getting out of their lazy beds tomorrow, and slapping a fiver on his brother Matt… 😉
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Post by specialun on Feb 6, 2024 0:59:15 GMT 1
In regards to Duff, I am told he is 1 of 4 names left and we are talking further to all 4 of these still. 1, Duff, he was wanted in the summer but it didnt work out before Warnock came back.(out of work) 2, UK based coach would be first time as a permenent head coach (currently has a job) 3, overseas coach has been linked in the past with a move to us, would be a g'day if appointed. (currently has a job) 4, UK based previous championship and premier league expereince as a manager. (out of work) expecting this to be sorted this week with an announcement on Thursday / Friday and Worthy taking the weekends game. I’d have thought you’d have learned not to trust your ‘informant’ (I’m sure he / she exists in real life) after he / she reliably (once again) informed you Darren Moore still be in charge last weekend - like last week? You missed overseas coach (out of work) then you’d have a full coverage (May want to edit in case that’s the end result!)
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 6, 2024 1:08:45 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter Interesting. De Zerbi is definitely fashionable at the moment, and with good reason as he's tactically very clever. Very much in that structured & controlled Guardiola school of thought, but very attack minded to boot. Hadn't heard of Bianco before, but a google reveals he left Juventus last year to start a career as a head coach. Modena under his management have been mid table, with broadly the same record as they did last season. The overriding thing from the last year or so is that these players respond well to attacking tactics and simple instructions. If Bianco is anything like De Zerbi, we'll get attacking tactics, but ones that put a very high technical demand on the players. Could be incredible, could end in tears. My instinct from 5 minutes of reading is that it'd be a big risk!
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 6, 2024 1:12:19 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter Interesting. De Zerbi is definitely fashionable at the moment, and with good reason as he's tactically very clever. Very much in that structured & controlled Guardiola school of thought, but very attack minded to boot. Hadn't heard of Bianco before, but a google reveals he left Juventus last year to start a career as a head coach. Modena under his management have been mid table, with broadly the same record as they did last season. The overriding thing from the last year or so is that these players respond well to attacking tactics and simple instructions. If Bianco is anything like De Zerbi, we'll get attacking tactics, but ones that put a very high technical demand on the players. Could be incredible, could end in tears. My instinct from 5 minutes of reading is that it'd be a big risk! Warnock said that the players were good but not technically the best, he said he gave them simple instructions and jobs to do. Was he right?
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 6, 2024 1:34:12 GMT 1
You need to be searching for random Pa olo Bianco odds requests on Twitter Maybe there’s a few folk getting out of their lazy beds tomorrow, and slapping a fiver on his brother Matt… 😉 Whose side are you on?
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Post by tyketaffy on Feb 6, 2024 1:55:48 GMT 1
Interesting. De Zerbi is definitely fashionable at the moment, and with good reason as he's tactically very clever. Very much in that structured & controlled Guardiola school of thought, but very attack minded to boot. Hadn't heard of Bianco before, but a google reveals he left Juventus last year to start a career as a head coach. Modena under his management have been mid table, with broadly the same record as they did last season. The overriding thing from the last year or so is that these players respond well to attacking tactics and simple instructions. If Bianco is anything like De Zerbi, we'll get attacking tactics, but ones that put a very high technical demand on the players. Could be incredible, could end in tears. My instinct from 5 minutes of reading is that it'd be a big risk! Warnock said that the players were good but not technically the best, he said he gave them simple instructions and jobs to do. Was he right? He said with this squad we should be aiming for a playoff place before he left. Warnock is a one off from the old school, probably his like will never be seen again in professional football which is very sad, the game is far better with guys like him in the game. A very astute judge of how to get the best out of players and a squad and always entertaining, a guy you would love to spend a night in the pub with chatting football. Now is all about stats methods and being PC with the media and owners, money has taken much of the honesty out of football and sadly taken the game away from its working class roots in the professional game
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Post by conman on Feb 6, 2024 2:02:05 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter You need to be searching for random Pa olo Bianco odds requests on Twitter Paul White ? Nah... Now Paulo Bianco , sounds reyt sexy.
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Post by detox on Feb 6, 2024 2:20:34 GMT 1
You need to be searching for random Pa olo Bianco odds requests on Twitter Paul White ? Nah... Now Paulo Bianco , sounds reyt sexy. Nah, that's his sister, Cinzano.....
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Feb 6, 2024 4:25:58 GMT 1
Too risky right now to go with someone new to the country in my opinion. The risk/reward is stacked against us. If this was the summer I’d be all for it. We do everything backwards.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 6, 2024 8:28:21 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter You need to be searching for random Pa olo Bianco odds requests on Twitter Oh for Christ sake 😂 Apologies folks looks like people have been suggesting his name to the bookies.Not sure if that will be just for the hell of it as previous or because they’ve actually heard the name suggested.Probably the former if I had to guess. Oh well…move on 😀
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Post by terrier17 on Feb 6, 2024 8:56:31 GMT 1
Too risky right now to go with someone new to the country in my opinion. The risk/reward is stacked against us. If this was the summer I’d be all for it. We do everything backwards. Maybe we do have to take a risk, or just end up in the same cycle season after season….
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Feb 6, 2024 9:15:42 GMT 1
Too risky right now to go with someone new to the country in my opinion. The risk/reward is stacked against us. If this was the summer I’d be all for it. We do everything backwards. Maybe we do have to take a risk, or just end up in the same cycle season after season…. Like I said, all for it at the beginning of a season when you have enough runway to fix it.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 6, 2024 9:17:26 GMT 1
Be interesting what they say when they announce duff. I hope they keep it low key and don’t make any bold claims about playing style and plans of the premier league. Need to give him a chance and not put him under pressure
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Post by workshyfop on Feb 6, 2024 9:25:52 GMT 1
If last season taught us anything, it’s that a seasoned Championship manager who knows the division is the best way out of trouble. I don’t think you can have an experimental foreign coach come in when we’re in this position and get new ideas across to a limited set of players. They would need a pre-season or have the luxury of us genuinely being in a position of strength. I know that might not sound very exciting, but we need to stay in this division first and foremost.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2024 9:27:27 GMT 1
Too risky right now to go with someone new to the country in my opinion. The risk/reward is stacked against us. If this was the summer I’d be all for it. We do everything backwards. Maybe we do have to take a risk, or just end up in the same cycle season after season…. Yep, rinse & repeat…
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Post by rockwall on Feb 6, 2024 9:35:05 GMT 1
If last season taught us anything, it’s that a seasoned Championship manager who knows the division is the best way out of trouble. I don’t think you can have an experimental foreign coach come in when we’re in this position and get new ideas across to a limited set of players. They would need a pre-season or have the luxury of us genuinely being in a position of strength. I know that might not sound very exciting, but we need to stay in this division first and foremost. If they have an identity, it shouldn't matter. We were teetering above the drop zone when we appointed Wagner. But because we saw an instant change and a plan, we knew we would end up safe. Then pre season, the current group already knew his way and we had a fantastic window. Personally, I don't think it matters where a new manager may come from, if they have a plan and the players get on board with it, that's all we need.
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Post by htfcterry on Feb 6, 2024 9:38:16 GMT 1
Maybe a complete random but of nonsense but been keeping an eye on the bookies lists…sky bet usually bit behind the timeline so been looking at bet victor.A random name has popped up tonight,still at 16/1 but 4th favourite behind duff,eustace and heckingbottom. Paulo Bianco.Currentky manager at serie b side but was assistant to de zerbi a few years back who is now Brighton manager. Bianco has also been technical coach at shaktar and then juventus the last two seasons before this. Just thought would post as it’s that out the blue and not like the random names on sky bet who were at the request of folk on twitter Based on absolutely fuck all…. I’d take him!
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