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Post by Tinpot on Feb 7, 2024 14:42:17 GMT 1
How do people know that Duff won't relocate from Cheltenham?
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 7, 2024 14:44:59 GMT 1
It was only on the highlights that prompted me to check out if CP was on the coaching staff at Wed. He is, clocked him on Saturday. Wasn’t aware he was there now. I thought he must have a doppelganger when I saw the highlights, but at least now I know for sure why we stuffed the massive
Thank you agent Powell, fancy a temporary job at St Mary's?
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Post by Tiro on Feb 7, 2024 14:46:36 GMT 1
How do people know that Duff won't relocate from Cheltenham? We don't. We don't even know if that is true. But this is DATM so it is of the highest consequence.
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Post by steo1986 on Feb 7, 2024 14:51:00 GMT 1
I noticed On Betvictor Paolo Bianco has moved up ranking odds now he's at 4/1
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Post by itkterrier on Feb 7, 2024 14:51:09 GMT 1
How do people know that Duff won't relocate from Cheltenham? It’s town fans. They love jumping to a conclusion.
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Post by Jimuano on Feb 7, 2024 14:53:40 GMT 1
Being a success and leaving on a high are two very different criteria. Grayson is a great example - he was a success even though it ended with the team looking hopeless. Brought in to achieve promotion and he did it - his goal will then have changed to establishing us in the Championship - because he couldn't do that doesn't make him a failure. To say Corberan wasn't a success is laughable. He left for a bigger job after leading us to Wembley, didn't lose for several months and troubled the two 2 for a brief spell. His goal won't have been promotion, it will have been get us in and around top 6. Mission accomplished, he went because his budget was being reduced, his best player not replaced and he had an offer from a Champions League club. Corberan left before anybody had been sold. It was obvious to all that O Brien was definitely leaving if we didn't go up. We and Carlos knew this. It was also nailed on that we'd continue to do things on the cheap/free if we didn't go up, despite any transfer cash incomings. Carlos polished an average at best/ turd squad that had a couple of golden nuggets in it. That in itself is a success. He left when his stock was high and with a football world seeing him as a success. On a side note, imagine if Kevin Nagle's interest in HTAFC had come a year sooner, and he'd have taken over after the play off final loss. With Kev chucking a bit of money at O'Brien/ Toff to stay for another year, plus Carlos in charge, we could have gone up automatically and had a completely different outlook. Instead we had a disinterested owner at the end of his tether, the cheapest of the cheap and awful managerial appointments and signings.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 7, 2024 14:54:07 GMT 1
How do people know that Duff won't relocate from Cheltenham? We don't. We don't even know if that is true. But this is DATM On both points no it isn’t known yet.But be it a forum and the fact that we have no news yet,some things are worth discussing. It’s logical to think that should he get the job he wouldn’t move up to the area based on the fact that he didn’t at Swansea or Barnsley. It may be irrelevant yes but why not discuss it 🤷🏻
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Post by Melc on Feb 7, 2024 14:58:56 GMT 1
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Post by Tiro on Feb 7, 2024 15:02:22 GMT 1
We don't. We don't even know if that is true. But this is DATM On both points no it isn’t known yet.But be it a forum and the fact that we have no news yet,some things are worth discussing. It’s logical to think that should he get the job he wouldn’t move up to the area based on the fact that he didn’t at Swansea or Barnsley. It may be irrelevant yes but why not discuss it 🤷🏻 And that's fine. But I think the critical point you're missing is around how that statement, which may be entirely nonsense, informs opinions and how much weight is afforded to it.
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Post by prepare on Feb 7, 2024 15:04:02 GMT 1
If one of the frustrations of Warnocks time with us, was him doing it kind of part time. Then what is the point in even talking to Duff, he lives in Cheltenham Kev and he will NOT move . Therefore you are appointing if you do someone you will have the same issue with ! If you read this forum or your advisor does, then don't put yourself in situations that you will only have to undo by sackings etc. Duf will NOT move to be part of the community if that is a big deal to you, then it is a NON starter with Duff. we don’t know if he will or not if he is appointed and I’ve no idea if he will I agree it’s not ideal to live that far away but it didn’t affect Barnsley when he was there !!
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 7, 2024 15:05:01 GMT 1
Just seen Worthington having a mosey ‘round Holmfirth. Day off, or new manager taking training??👀 Wednesday has traditionally been a day off, as far as I’m aware. I’m sure people closer to the workings of the club can confirm this?
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 7, 2024 15:11:39 GMT 1
If one of the frustrations of Warnocks time with us, was him doing it kind of part time. Then what is the point in even talking to Duff, he lives in Cheltenham Kev and he will NOT move . Therefore you are appointing if you do someone you will have the same issue with ! If you read this forum or your advisor does, then don't put yourself in situations that you will only have to undo by sackings etc. Duf will NOT move to be part of the community if that is a big deal to you, then it is a NON starter with Duff. we don’t know if he will or not if he is appointed and I’ve no idea if he will I agree it’s not ideal to live that far away but it didn’t affect Barnsley when he was there !! Duff will not be coming to HTAFC unless he agrees to move closer and without this comitment he would not even be considered for the role. Either he has agreed to move / live closer to us or he is not even being considered for the role, there will be no third option of living in Cheltenam and driving up daily, the new manger needs to be fully comitted to the role and very hard working. People say Kevin does it from far away but an owner and a Manager are 2 very different things, you need your manager in the club first thing in the morning and last to leave every night its this type of work eithic that brings sucesss.
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Post by itkterrier on Feb 7, 2024 15:11:44 GMT 1
If it worked at Barnsley why can't it work here?
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Feb 7, 2024 15:12:38 GMT 1
Just seen Worthington having a mosey ‘round Holmfirth. Day off, or new manager taking training??👀 Wednesday has traditionally been a day off, as far as I’m aware. I’m sure people closer to the workings of the club can confirm this? They had Monday off so wouldn’t have thought they had today off. Footballers though probs finished at 12. Lazy sods !!
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Post by dezzly on Feb 7, 2024 15:13:46 GMT 1
On both points no it isn’t known yet.But be it a forum and the fact that we have no news yet,some things are worth discussing. It’s logical to think that should he get the job he wouldn’t move up to the area based on the fact that he didn’t at Swansea or Barnsley. It may be irrelevant yes but why not discuss it 🤷🏻 And that's fine. But I think the critical point you're missing is around how that statement, which may be entirely nonsense, informs opinions and how much weight is afforded to it. If the statement was fact I would agree.As it is also opinion(even if based on previous facts) folk should be entitled to express that and others should be able to take or leave it and fork opinions based on it or not. I’m not after an argument or anything just feel it’s worth touching on.
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Post by Sio on Feb 7, 2024 15:14:27 GMT 1
we don’t know if he will or not if he is appointed and I’ve no idea if he will I agree it’s not ideal to live that far away but it didn’t affect Barnsley when he was there !! Duff will not be coming to HTAFC unless he agrees to move closer and without this comitment he would not even be considered for the role. Either he has agreed to move / live closer to us or he is not even being considered for the role, there will be no third option of living in Cheltenam and driving up daily, the new manger needs to be fully comitted to the role and very hard working. People say Kevin does it from far away but an owner and a Manager are 2 very different things, you need your manager in the club first thing in the morning and last to leave every night its this type of work eithic that brings sucesss. That's 'Michael' to you.
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 7, 2024 15:16:23 GMT 1
I noticed On Betvictor Paolo Bianco has moved up ranking odds now he's at 4/1 Again noting what David Hartrick said about odds in the latest podcast, "Someone has put £20 on him".
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Post by Melc on Feb 7, 2024 15:16:26 GMT 1
If it worked at Barnsley why can't it work here? I did not say it couldn’t.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 15:18:03 GMT 1
Corberan left before anybody had been sold. It was obvious to all that O Brien was definitely leaving if we didn't go up. We and Carlos knew this. It was also nailed on that we'd continue to do things on the cheap/free if we didn't go up, despite any transfer cash incomings. Carlos polished an average at best/ turd squad that had a couple of golden nuggets in it. That in itself is a success. He left when his stock was high and with a football world seeing him as a success. On a side note, imagine if Kevin Nagle's interest in HTAFC had come a year sooner, and he'd have taken over after the play off final loss. With Kev chucking a bit of money at O'Brien/ Toff to stay for another year, plus Carlos in charge, we could have gone up automatically and had a completely different outlook. Instead we had a disinterested owner at the end of his tether, the cheapest of the cheap and awful managerial appointments and signings. So disinterested he only put the £5m in to cover the losses the following season! I dont think Obrien was even one of our best 3 players in 21/22. Id put him behind Nicholls, Lees and Sorba. Other than the last 10 or so games, Toffolo had a poor season IMO and was rightly dropped altogether at one point. Corboran did leave when his stock was high..something he'd clearly decided to do whether investment was there or not and whether we sold a couple of our better players or not.
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 7, 2024 15:25:18 GMT 1
What is the absolute best we can hope for from Duff? I don't hate the appointment as think he has similar values to Dyche and that should fit well with us, but at the same time I see absolutely no chance we're in the Premier League in 3 years with him. Maybe 2/3 mid table finishes a bit of stability, it wouldn't harm. Not sure Nagle will be happy with that mind. Either way il be stunned if MC is still at this club in 12 months time as it really just shows how limited he is again. What was the best Coventry City could hope for when they re-appointed Mark Robins when they were in the 4th tier & playing their home games at Northampton? Duff isn't my first choice either but I can't get my head around people writing him off. Exactly this, lots are pointing to the fact he failed at Swansea. That may well be true, but the fact is he performed somewhat better than his predecessor Russel Martin did in his last 16 games in charge.(won 4drawn 4 lost 8) and hes now saints manager duff won 5 drew 5 and lost 6. Also noting that if corberan was classed as a failure for losing a playoff final, Steve Cooper also lost one at Swansea too and was subsequently disposed of. So if its a choice of the 2 failed Swansea managers, im surprised one is seen as a possible coup, yet the other option seems to enrage some.
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Post by harris on Feb 7, 2024 15:37:42 GMT 1
If it worked at Barnsley why can't it work here? Fans didn’t care at Barnsley cause he was winning. If they’d have been losing, it would’ve been a totally different story. Ask Swansea fans. And it’s easier to get a top end league one squad winning games than Town in the championship. Instant alarm bells for me if our manager is living 3+ hours away.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 7, 2024 15:38:44 GMT 1
we don’t know if he will or not if he is appointed and I’ve no idea if he will I agree it’s not ideal to live that far away but it didn’t affect Barnsley when he was there !! Duff will not be coming to HTAFC unless he agrees to move closer and without this comitment he would not even be considered for the role. Either he has agreed to move / live closer to us or he is not even being considered for the role, there will be no third option of living in Cheltenam and driving up daily, the new manger needs to be fully comitted to the role and very hard working. People say Kevin does it from far away but an owner and a Manager are 2 very different things, you need your manager in the club first thing in the morning and last to leave every night its this type of work eithic that brings sucesss. Translation Just been reading recent posts so I'll now précis them in my own words to make it seem like I have a clue what's going on, when actually I find it hard to distinguish arseholes from elbows, which is incidentally why I am now banned from most local dogging sites.
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Post by mallyb on Feb 7, 2024 15:41:36 GMT 1
It was obvious to all that O Brien was definitely leaving if we didn't go up. We and Carlos knew this. It was also nailed on that we'd continue to do things on the cheap/free if we didn't go up, despite any transfer cash incomings. Carlos polished an average at best/ turd squad that had a couple of golden nuggets in it. That in itself is a success. He left when his stock was high and with a football world seeing him as a success. On a side note, imagine if Kevin Nagle's interest in HTAFC had come a year sooner, and he'd have taken over after the play off final loss. With Kev chucking a bit of money at O'Brien/ Toff to stay for another year, plus Carlos in charge, we could have gone up automatically and had a completely different outlook. Instead we had a disinterested owner at the end of his tether, the cheapest of the cheap and awful managerial appointments and signings. So disinterested he only put the £5m in to cover the losses the following season! I dont think Obrien was even one of our best 3 players in 21/22. Id put him behind Nicholls, Lees and Sorba. Other than the last 10 or so games, Toffolo had a poor season IMO and was rightly dropped altogether at one point. Corboran did leave when his stock was high..something he'd clearly decided to do whether investment was there or not and whether we sold a couple of our better players or not. Are you involved in politics? Such a twisted from reality view. O’Brien was one of the better players in the league let alone our team, as was Toffolo, just because you say they weren’t doesn’t make it so. Dean sold players and didn’t reinvest, the team we had just beaten in the playoffs bought players we wanted, again for less than we have spent this window. You do t know Carlos was off whatever but it suits your argument to claim that. Surprised when covering your greatest hits you didn’t wedge in that Fothers would have kept us up and we didn’t need Warnock!!!!
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 7, 2024 15:48:26 GMT 1
Duff will not be coming to HTAFC unless he agrees to move closer and without this comitment he would not even be considered for the role. Either he has agreed to move / live closer to us or he is not even being considered for the role, there will be no third option of living in Cheltenam and driving up daily, the new manger needs to be fully comitted to the role and very hard working. People say Kevin does it from far away but an owner and a Manager are 2 very different things, you need your manager in the club first thing in the morning and last to leave every night its this type of work eithic that brings sucesss. Translation Just been reading recent posts so I'll now précis them in my own words to make it seem like I have a clue what's going on, when actually I find it hard to distinguish arseholes from elbows, which is incidentally why I am now banned from most local dogging sites. I thought he was just wiping his dobber on my sleeve!
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 15:50:00 GMT 1
Corberan left before anybody had been sold. It was obvious to all that O Brien was definitely leaving if we didn't go up. We and Carlos knew this. It was also nailed on that we'd continue to do things on the cheap/free if we didn't go up, despite any transfer cash incomings. Carlos polished an average at best/ turd squad that had a couple of golden nuggets in it. That in itself is a success. He left when his stock was high and with a football world seeing him as a success. On a side note, imagine if Kevin Nagle's interest in HTAFC had come a year sooner, and he'd have taken over after the play off final loss. With Kev chucking a bit of money at O'Brien/ Toff to stay for another year, plus Carlos in charge, we could have gone up automatically and had a completely different outlook. Instead we had a disinterested owner at the end of his tether, the cheapest of the cheap and awful managerial appointments and signings. All ifs and buts though, innit?
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 15:50:47 GMT 1
So disinterested he only put the £5m in to cover the losses the following season! I dont think Obrien was even one of our best 3 players in 21/22. Id put him behind Nicholls, Lees and Sorba. Other than the last 10 or so games, Toffolo had a poor season IMO and was rightly dropped altogether at one point. Corboran did leave when his stock was high..something he'd clearly decided to do whether investment was there or not and whether we sold a couple of our better players or not. Are you involved in politics? Such a twisted from reality view. O’Brien was one of the better players in the league let alone our team, as was Toffolo, just because you say they weren’t doesn’t make it so. Dean sold players and didn’t reinvest, the team we had just beaten in the playoffs bought players we wanted, again for less than we have spent this window. You do t know Carlos was off whatever but it suits your argument to claim that. Surprised when covering your greatest hits you didn’t wedge in that Fothers would have kept us up and we didn’t need Warnock!!!! Didn't reinvest? How much did Rudoni and Helik cost?
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Post by goodbet on Feb 7, 2024 15:53:28 GMT 1
Being a success and leaving on a high are two very different criteria. Grayson is a great example - he was a success even though it ended with the team looking hopeless. Brought in to achieve promotion and he did it - his goal will then have changed to establishing us in the Championship - because he couldn't do that doesn't make him a failure. To say Corberan wasn't a success is laughable. He left for a bigger job after leading us to Wembley, didn't lose for several months and troubled the two 2 for a brief spell. His goal won't have been promotion, it will have been get us in and around top 6. Mission accomplished, he went because his budget was being reduced, his best player not replaced and he had an offer from a Champions League club. Corberan left before anybody had been sold. His choices had been ruled out and he know that Dean had decided to sell our top two player's, who would stay?
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 15:56:19 GMT 1
Corberan left before anybody had been sold. His choices had been ruled out and he know that Dean had decided to sell our top two player's, who would stay? A manager with some bollocks.
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Post by itkterrier on Feb 7, 2024 15:57:12 GMT 1
Are you involved in politics? Such a twisted from reality view. O’Brien was one of the better players in the league let alone our team, as was Toffolo, just because you say they weren’t doesn’t make it so. Dean sold players and didn’t reinvest, the team we had just beaten in the playoffs bought players we wanted, again for less than we have spent this window. You do t know Carlos was off whatever but it suits your argument to claim that. Surprised when covering your greatest hits you didn’t wedge in that Fothers would have kept us up and we didn’t need Warnock!!!! Didn't reinvest? How much did Rudoni and Helik cost? A fraction of what LOB and Toffolo were sold for.
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Post by leroy212 on Feb 7, 2024 15:58:09 GMT 1
Are you involved in politics? Such a twisted from reality view. O’Brien was one of the better players in the league let alone our team, as was Toffolo, just because you say they weren’t doesn’t make it so. Dean sold players and didn’t reinvest, the team we had just beaten in the playoffs bought players we wanted, again for less than we have spent this window. You do t know Carlos was off whatever but it suits your argument to claim that. Surprised when covering your greatest hits you didn’t wedge in that Fothers would have kept us up and we didn’t need Warnock!!!! Didn't reinvest? How much did Rudoni and Helik cost? Not anywhere near what we got in transfers fees for toffolo and LOB
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