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Post by King Neil on Feb 24, 2024 11:29:07 GMT 1
Does it go on area or population? Leeds and Bradford and Hull are Cities,I cannot think of a bigger Town in Yorkshire.Middlesbrough perhaps. It goes on population If it went on land mass then Huddersfield is bigger than a lot of cities as its huge |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 24, 2024 11:30:22 GMT 1
It is quite simply a modern perception of the football club rather than the town itself. The club hasn't done anything worthwhile on the pitch for donkeys years. After falling out of the old First Division in 1956 the club was in the wilderness for sixty years albeit with a couple of seasons back in the top flight 1970-72. Those sixty years represent many people's lifetimes and they simply wouldn't associate the club in that time with their successes of the 1920s. Still the same now - talk to any footy non-Town fan and all that they'll know about HTAFC is that they were tiny fish who won the Play-offs, went up with a negative goal difference and then stank the place out in 2018-19. Nothing whatsoever to do with the place itself. Stank it out in the way Burnley are doing this season and nearly every other promoted club do You don't even realise your doing it The PL and Sky love the annual fairytale. Luton are this year’s recipient, but if they survive the narrative will change. The PL want a big city league, they don’t want the interlopers like us with unfashionable names, but they forget the pedigree of our history. It doesn’t matter when we won those titles, there will be loads of clubs who will still mention an FA Cup or league title win from way back in the day. Preston are probably similar to us in the way they would get treated if they won promotion. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 24, 2024 11:32:38 GMT 1
Are L***s a little club? Our records are virtually the same and as stated above when we won the league there was no European Cups to go for. They've done significantly more than us in living memory, so it doesn't apply. Football fans don't look further back than 20 or 30 years and, in that time, they wipe the floor with our achievements. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 24, 2024 11:35:06 GMT 1
Are L***s a little club? Our records are virtually the same and as stated above when we won the league there was no European Cups to go for. They've done significantly more than us in living memory, so it doesn't apply. Football fans don't look further back than 20 or 30 years and, in that time, they wipe the floor with our achievements. They have literally won nothing for over 30 years. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 24, 2024 11:38:45 GMT 1
Does it go on area or population? Leeds and Bradford and Hull are Cities,I cannot think of a bigger Town in Yorkshire.Middlesbrough perhaps. It goes on population If it went on land mass then Huddersfield is bigger than a lot of cities as its huge Are you thinking of "Kirklees" there rather than Huddersfield? People from Bradford constantly harp on about being the "7th/8th biggest city in England", conveniently forgetting that's the figure for Bradford City Council which includes towns like Shipley, Ilkley, Bingley and Keighley and everywhere in between. This massively inflates the size of "Bradford" by both population and land area. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 24, 2024 11:38:58 GMT 1
Was going to chat about this in the AB thread but realised it’s a bit off topic in that thread. Where does this phrase come from and when did it start? Clearly Huddersfield as a town is not ‘little’ Fair enough it’s not the biggest town in West Yorkshire or Yorkshire, but in a list of 1000 English towns and cities it’s in the Top 50, so a top 5% town…..therefore actually a ‘big town’ Honours wise across the entire football pyramid we’ve won the title (three times!) and been in the top two divisions a good chunk of our history, so looking at all teams we aren’t a ‘small team’ Could it be the dog??? The terrier? A small and yappy little thing? Is the small town / club tag a false association because of that? It is quite simply a modern perception of the football club rather than the town itself. The club hasn't done anything worthwhile on the pitch for donkeys years. After falling out of the old First Division in 1956 the club was in the wilderness for sixty years albeit with a couple of seasons back in the top flight 1970-72. Those sixty years represent many people's lifetimes and they simply wouldn't associate the club in that time with their successes of the 1920s. Still the same now - talk to any footy non-Town fan and all that they'll know about HTAFC is that they were tiny fish who won the Play-offs, went up with a negative goal difference and then stank the place out in 2018-19.Nothing whatsoever to do with the place itself. Uh-oh! I caused a riot on here recently when I said the same  |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 24, 2024 11:39:01 GMT 1
They've done significantly more than us in living memory, so it doesn't apply. Football fans don't look further back than 20 or 30 years and, in that time, they wipe the floor with our achievements. They have literally won nothing for over 30 years. But they have performed better than us. Let's face it, for years now they have had bigger crowds, more coverage, played better football and have spent more money than HTAFC. We live in their shadow. You might not like that but it's true. So many Town fans won't accept/face these facts. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 24, 2024 11:39:34 GMT 1
They've done significantly more than us in living memory, so it doesn't apply. Football fans don't look further back than 20 or 30 years and, in that time, they wipe the floor with our achievements. They have literally won nothing for over 30 years. We have literally won nothing for 98 years. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 24, 2024 11:40:33 GMT 1
They have literally won nothing for over 30 years. We have literally won nothing for 98 years. I know and the point is? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 24, 2024 11:43:16 GMT 1
They have literally won nothing for over 30 years. But they have performed better than us. Let's face it, for years now they have had bigger crowds, more coverage, played better football and have spent more money than HTAFC. We live in their shadow. You might not like that but it's true. So many Town fans won't accept/face these facts. Agreed, but we’re still allowed to despise them aren’t we? Imagine being Tranmere… |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 24, 2024 11:44:42 GMT 1
It goes on population If it went on land mass then Huddersfield is bigger than a lot of cities as its huge Are you thinking of "Kirklees" there rather than Huddersfield? People from Bradford constantly harp on about being the "7th/8th biggest city in England", conveniently forgetting that's the figure for Bradford City Council which includes towns like Shipley, Ilkley, Bingley and Keighley and everywhere in between. This massively inflates the size of "Bradford" by both population and land area. You can't just include the Town centre can you..if you only included the HD postcodes it would still be bigger than a lot of cities by land mass |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 24, 2024 11:48:12 GMT 1
They have literally won nothing for over 30 years. But they have performed better than us. Let's face it, for years now they have had bigger crowds, more coverage, played better football and have spent more money than HTAFC. We live in their shadow. You might not like that but it's true. So many Town fans won't accept/face these facts. Ah yes - congratulations to them for having a big city with a much higher population than Huddersfield. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 24, 2024 11:50:34 GMT 1
But they have performed better than us. Let's face it, for years now they have had bigger crowds, more coverage, played better football and have spent more money than HTAFC. We live in their shadow. You might not like that but it's true. So many Town fans won't accept/face these facts. Agreed, but we’re still allowed to despise them aren’t we? Imagine being Tranmere… Not disputing this for one second. I was offering a reason as to why they are considered bigger than us, that's all. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 24, 2024 11:53:49 GMT 1
Nothing like a big club/little club debate to get posters' juices flowing.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 24, 2024 11:54:10 GMT 1
Are you thinking of "Kirklees" there rather than Huddersfield? People from Bradford constantly harp on about being the "7th/8th biggest city in England", conveniently forgetting that's the figure for Bradford City Council which includes towns like Shipley, Ilkley, Bingley and Keighley and everywhere in between. This massively inflates the size of "Bradford" by both population and land area. You can't just include the Town centre can you..if you only included the HD postcodes it would still be bigger than a lot of cities by land mass Well no, but whichever measurement you use you're going to get anomalies. HD postcodes include Brighouse which is in the same local authority as Halifax, yet loads of places that predominantly support Town have WF postcodes. If the land area covered by the postcode prefix was a valid metric for size, then Plymouth Argyle (PL includes half of Cornwall); Taunton Town (TA includes most of Somerset and bits of Devon); and Shrewsbury Town (SY stretches all the way to Aberystwyth on the Welsh coast) would be among the biggest clubs in the country. |
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 24, 2024 11:59:22 GMT 1
++ I think clubs currently above us who are smaller towns are: Ipswich Watford Blackburn Burnley West Bromwich ++ Bigger towns whose teams are below us in leagues Derby Bradford Notts County Portsmouth Northampton Reading Bolton Swindon Milton Keynes Half of them are cities to be fair. Reading Swindon Bolton I think are towns and are bigger |
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Post by Sio on Feb 24, 2024 12:11:05 GMT 1
Wagner and Hoyle, mostly. Probably a way to manage expectations around our budget and potential, keep the crowds happy because we were 'punching above our weight' when anything good happened.
To be fair to them both, we weren't 'big' even in our promotion season, but we are nowhere near as small a club as some would have you believe.
The discussion has been done to death but we have lots of potential to be a decent sized club and easily surpass a number of current Premier League teams.
It's time that the mentality changed. We need to be prepared to hold our heads high when we go back up to the Prem, rather than fawning over being 'at the table with lots of big clubs'.
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Post by hudmat on Feb 24, 2024 12:11:57 GMT 1
It’s an awful mindset.
We never just achieve our targets, we only ever “overachieved”
To me Forrest “overachieved” winning that playoff final with several fouls in their own box that they got away with. They were very fortunate, but in no way were they labelled overachievers.
If we do well we have surpassed expectation, managers have overdelivered and the players have been greater than the sum of their parts.
We never appreciate that we have good players because someone else has better. We never outplay opponents or deserve 3 points we only ever “find a way to win”.
If we spend big money on someone and it doesn’t work out we have wasted it and if we find a good player we are lucky how much of bargain they turned out to be.
It goes on and on and on….
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Post by King Neil on Feb 24, 2024 12:21:45 GMT 1
You can't just include the Town centre can you..if you only included the HD postcodes it would still be bigger than a lot of cities by land mass Well no, but whichever measurement you use you're going to get anomalies. HD postcodes include Brighouse which is in the same local authority as Halifax, yet loads of places that predominantly support Town have WF postcodes. If the land area covered by the postcode prefix was a valid metric for size, then Plymouth Argyle (PL includes half of Cornwall); Taunton Town (TA includes most of Somerset and bits of Devon); and Shrewsbury Town (SY stretches all the way to Aberystwyth on the Welsh coast) would be among the biggest clubs in the country. We're a MASSIVE club anyway Saddleworth uppermill and greenfield..dobcross..Diggle are still officially in West Yorkshire...only the council changed not the county lines |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 24, 2024 12:23:50 GMT 1
 I suppose to be fair we are a big town nationally but a small town in the top two divisions, so whilst we ‘punch above our weight’ the ‘little old’ tag is bollocks We don't punch above our weight. Well….not this season |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 24, 2024 12:25:44 GMT 1
++ Bigger towns whose teams are below us in leagues Derby Bradford Notts County Portsmouth Northampton Reading Bolton Swindon Milton Keynes Half of them are cities to be fair. Reading Swindon Bolton I think are towns and are bigger Towns / cities….wasn’t distinguishing between the two seeing as plenty towns are bigger than cities! |
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Feb 24, 2024 12:30:48 GMT 1
I think some of this big club thing is to do with maintaining your profile over time, even if you’re not winning anything. After the early 70s we pretty much vanished - out of the top two divisions, virtually no cup runs. When we ‘emerged’ from this, nobody outside of Huddersfield had heard anything about us for years, so our history has been forgotten, and it is assumed we are ‘small’.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 24, 2024 12:32:29 GMT 1
We don't punch above our weight. Well….not this season When have we punched above our weight? A couple of seasons in the top tier in 50 years? |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 24, 2024 12:35:04 GMT 1
I think some of this big club thing is to do with maintaining your profile over time, even if you’re not winning anything. After the early 70s we pretty much vanished - out of the top two divisions, virtually no cup runs. When we ‘emerged’ from this, nobody outside of Huddersfield had heard anything about us for years, so our history has been forgotten, and it is assumed we are ‘small’. It's completely encouraged by a number of our supporters though. There's plenty of Town fans that would have you believe that we're essentially a shitty League One club. We've spent the longest time in the top two tiers since the 1960s, but don't let that get in the way of a good talking down of our club. Even when we have success, such as 2016-17, it comes with caveats according to some. We were lucky, we had a negative goal difference, we didn't score any goals (even though we did) and the rest. |
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Post by hd9terrier on Feb 24, 2024 12:46:42 GMT 1
In general we underrate ourselves in my opinion. I get it in most people’s lifetime we’ve been a div 2/3 club. However we also hadn’t been out the top 2 tiers until the mid 70s. I think people would have been shocked if they knew how many Town could have got in the PL if the stadium was big enough. Hopefully once Kevin gets the stadium it can be decorated to show and educate outsiders and our own fans the history Town have that many others clubs don’t. More murals/ statues etc
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 24, 2024 12:48:39 GMT 1
Our historical league average position is 9th in the Championship and we're the 19th most successful team with domestic trophies won.
That surely makes us a top 30 club?
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 24, 2024 12:54:42 GMT 1
Our historical league average position is 9th in the Championship and we're the 19th most successful team with domestic trophies won. That surely makes us a top 30 club? Go on, be brave. According to that it makes us a top 20 club! |
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Post by vivabobbyhoy on Feb 24, 2024 13:03:00 GMT 1
I blame the rebranding of the early seventies. I've never referred to Town as the Terriers and never will. Other teams are named after predatory beasts like Wolves, Tigers, Eagles and Hornets, or weapons like Gunners, Blades and Hammers, while we're named after a little yappy dog with a girlie haircut that when wet looks like a small piece of alien gristle.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 24, 2024 13:10:42 GMT 1
I blame the rebranding of the early seventies. I've never referred to Town as the Terriers and never will. Other teams are named after predatory beasts like Wolves, Tigers, Eagles and Hornets, or weapons like Gunners, Blades and Hammers, while we're named after a little yappy dog with a girlie haircut that when wet looks like a small piece of alien gristle. Town's board voted to drop the Terries moniker in 1974. God knows why it's still used. |
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Post by arnie on Feb 24, 2024 13:11:30 GMT 1
You can't just include the Town centre can you..if you only included the HD postcodes it would still be bigger than a lot of cities by land mass Well no, but whichever measurement you use you're going to get anomalies. HD postcodes include Brighouse which is in the same local authority as Halifax, yet loads of places that predominantly support Town have WF postcodes. If the land area covered by the postcode prefix was a valid metric for size, then Plymouth Argyle (PL includes half of Cornwall); Taunton Town (TA includes most of Somerset and bits of Devon); and Shrewsbury Town (SY stretches all the way to Aberystwyth on the Welsh coast) would be among the biggest clubs in the country. Look at DN postcode, the area is unreal, the football club's are not particularly great, Doncaster, Scunthorpe and Grimsby but by area. Don't know how it came about, a Yorkshire town (recently city) that includes all North Lincolnshire. |
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