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Post by htafcokay on Apr 2, 2024 16:27:45 GMT 1
No, you'll just endlessly drone on about how brilliant it is. And don't tell me which club to support or what I'm happy with or not happy with. I'm not obsessed with winning, but turning up every week and seeing us barely have a shot on goal or win a game is tedious, depressing and dull. The reason why the third and fourth tiers were my favourite days were because I was a kid, fuck all to do with winning or not winning. The 2017 promotion was one of the happiest days of my life as well. You can't handle the fact that everyone has a different opinion on things and you just belittle people who dares to have a different opinion to you. For my own sanity, please stop replying to me now as you are quite simply exhausting. I can handle the fact you have a different opinion. Im not the one telling people not to challenge my views because I find it 'exhausting' ! You've taken the most successful period the clubs had in the modern era of the game and broken it down to being crap because we have a losing mentality FFS!! Seriously, why bother being a town fan at all if thats all you can take from the better years?? Its a discussion board..If youre going to fill it , and I do mean fill it, with this constant negativity and what to me seems like a really overblown sense of entitlement about what you expect from this club, then dont be shocked if people question what youre spouting. CONSTANT NEGATIVITY BLAH BLAH BLAH. |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 2, 2024 16:44:25 GMT 1
Let's get the thread back on track please or unfortunately it'll end up being canned.
FWIW I do think Hogg is a club legend, but this Summer is a crossroads for him and us. If he is guaranteed a starting place at another club (maybe League One) I suspect it would be pertinent for him to go. Would be satisifed to see him remain as a squad player-coach with the Academy though. If that was an option.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Apr 2, 2024 16:53:16 GMT 1
On the Hogg debate. No doubt he has been a great servant to the club however I do agree it is time to part ways. The club is in dire need of an overhaul and fresh start. Now let's see if you get jumped on for having a different opinion. Not sure he will get jumped on. He's said its probably time to part ways. Hogg may not be the best player or even the player he was but to insinuate that he is (part of) a losing mentality is to many of us clearly not the case but as you say you are entitled to your opinion. Some of the stuff you post I agree with, some I disagree with but sometimes you phrase your ideas in a way that that comes across as extremely negative. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 2, 2024 17:03:49 GMT 1
No one can be a bigger Hogg fan than me.
But I totally agree that this season is a watershed for the great warrior.
I hope his last season with us can be celebrated by us staying up and that his testimonial ( when announced ) is a full house when we can all show him how much we appreciate all he has done for the club.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 2, 2024 17:04:12 GMT 1
Harratt, Hudlin and Simpson up front next season - a prospect that makes your mouth water in anticipation  Don’t panic Danny Ward has another year of his contract remaining |
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 2, 2024 17:05:06 GMT 1
Hate to break this to you, but whilst this club is in the top 2 divisions, then more often than not we'll not be winning all the time. but what the 'losers' have done is win enough so we stay in the top 2 divisions. But, here’s the thing. The disappointment lies with the fact that a two-year stint in the Premier League usually guarantees being stable or challenging in the Championship not constant struggle. It’s why I rate Corberan so highly as the squad we’ve had since coming down has been relegation fodder and the side that finished third was only marginally better than the current one. For some reason, you’d need to ask your hero Hoyle, we didn’t see any benefit from the parachute payments or player sales on going back down. Of course, you think we’re entitled and it’s due to cheap season tickets! 🤦🏻♂️🤣 |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 2, 2024 17:08:37 GMT 1
On the Hogg debate. No doubt he has been a great servant to the club however I do agree it is time to part ways. The club is in dire need of an overhaul and fresh start. Hes been brilliant for us and had a superb career but it'll be disappointing if hes still a first choice regular here next season. Still think hes got a role in the squad though, just for his experience and character. Exactly. One more year as a bit part player because nobody else has his leadership and he can still put in good performances most games but is technically limited. Don't make him a regular but as a player to come off the bench and see games out would be a great role for him. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 2, 2024 17:30:47 GMT 1
No one can be a bigger Hogg fan than me. But I totally agree that this season is a watershed for the great warrior. I hope his last season with us can be celebrated by us staying up and that his testimonial ( when announced ) is a full house when we can all show him how much we appreciate all he has done for the club. has there been any talk of a testimonial ? Last season was his 10th at the club so you'd have thought if he was having one it might have been back in the summer as part of our pre season. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Apr 2, 2024 17:30:53 GMT 1
If it’s L1 Thomas and Rudoni will go. Not too worried if Nicholls and Helik do too, neither have had a great season. Those lads are on long contracts so should command reasonable fees.
If we want to play high pressing football we need young players, but lads who can also pass. Would think AB (who I imagine is sticking around) already knows who he wants to keep around. I wouldn’t have thought too many will have impressed.
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Post by Polish Hippy on Apr 2, 2024 17:32:05 GMT 1
What I find interesting is that, apparently, recruitment teams use stats to identify the players who would make us better. Does anyone actually go and watch these players in the flesh? Stats don’t tell you everything. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 2, 2024 17:32:59 GMT 1
No one can be a bigger Hogg fan than me. But I totally agree that this season is a watershed for the great warrior. I hope his last season with us can be celebrated by us staying up and that his testimonial ( when announced ) is a full house when we can all show him how much we appreciate all he has done for the club. has there been any talk of a testimonial ? Last season was his 10th at the club so you'd have thought if he was having one it might have been back in the summer as part of our pre season. I remember reading somewhere that the plan was to invite our PL promotion squad for the game but haven’t seen anything recently. I’d agree that it makes sense to have the game in the summer. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 2, 2024 17:40:08 GMT 1
If it’s L1 Thomas and Rudoni will go. Not too worried if Nicholls and Helik do too, neither have had a great season. Those lads are on long contracts so should command reasonable fees. If we want to play high pressing football we need young players, but lads who can also pass. Would think AB (who I imagine is sticking around) already knows who he wants to keep around. I wouldn’t have thought too many will have impressed. Helik is our best player, would grace any team in this league and probably do ok in the PL. We'll likely get peanuts for him if relegated though unfortunately. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Apr 2, 2024 17:43:34 GMT 1
If it’s L1 Thomas and Rudoni will go. Not too worried if Nicholls and Helik do too, neither have had a great season. Those lads are on long contracts so should command reasonable fees. If we want to play high pressing football we need young players, but lads who can also pass. Would think AB (who I imagine is sticking around) already knows who he wants to keep around. I wouldn’t have thought too many will have impressed. Helik is our best player, would grace any team in this league and probably do ok in the PL. We'll likely get peanuts for him if relegated though unfortunately. He didn’t get near Simms in that Coventry game. Generally he’s been great for us but seems to have struggled as the season has gone on. Not sure he’s mobile enough for the Prem. |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Apr 2, 2024 17:50:08 GMT 1
If it’s L1 Thomas and Rudoni will go. Not too worried if Nicholls and Helik do too, neither have had a great season. Those lads are on long contracts so should command reasonable fees. If we want to play high pressing football we need young players, but lads who can also pass. Would think AB (who I imagine is sticking around) already knows who he wants to keep around. I wouldn’t have thought too many will have impressed. . We'll likely get peanuts for him if relegated though unfortunately. I agree he's our best player but premier league , really ? I don't think so. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 2, 2024 17:50:21 GMT 1
Hate to break this to you, but whilst this club is in the top 2 divisions, then more often than not we'll not be winning all the time. but what the 'losers' have done is win enough so we stay in the top 2 divisions. But, here’s the thing. The disappointment lies with the fact that a two-year stint in the Premier League usually guarantees being stable or challenging in the Championship not constant struggle. It’s why I rate Corberan so highly as the squad we’ve had since coming down has been relegation fodder and the side that finished third was only marginally better than the current one. For some reason, you’d need to ask your hero Hoyle, we didn’t see any benefit from the parachute payments or player sales on going back down. Of course, you think we’re entitled and it’s due to cheap season tickets! 🤦🏻♂️🤣 We all know why that happened ( no benefit of being in the PL) . We blew all our dough on crap players in the summer of 2018 who ALL lost pretty much ALL their value in no time. Very disappointing but it happened and its in the past now. So knowing thats what happened, we're back to what we actually are. Yet we should be doing much better than this? Why? Thats what I dont understand,..why some think struggling in the championship is somehow beneath us. If ,as Im told, we'd only get about 10,000 in if we charged the going rate for football, then people should change their expectations of HTFC to something more like that struggling in league 1 is beneath us. |
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Post by Metch on Apr 2, 2024 18:15:30 GMT 1
If we are relegated, then I think there will be a few clubs circling for Brodie and they'll be a huge temptation to sell to balance the books for League 1.
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Post by Dan on Apr 2, 2024 18:17:21 GMT 1
If we are relegated, then I think there will be a few clubs circling for Brodie and they'll be a huge temptation to sell to balance the books for League 1. Clubs will be circling for Brodie whether we stay up or go down. Only one more year left on his contract... |
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Post by bluebeard on Apr 2, 2024 18:19:25 GMT 1
It will be tough in league one that is for sure and the moaners will have something to moan about.
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 2, 2024 18:19:40 GMT 1
Lots of disagreements on here.
Rebuilding is a very hard thing to do, but we do need to do it.
Keep
Spencer, Jones, Headley , Healey
Keep unless we get a decent offer.
Nichols, Rudhoni , Thomas, Helik, Baulker
Release / sell
Hogg. - Has been a terrier through and through. A leader and it’s no surprise every manager has picked him. I fear now especially in the championship his legs have gone. He should be applauded and rightly so a great servant to the club.
Pearson - too slow
Lees - despite what Wednesday fans said about him he has been a good player for us. Time up though.
Kasumu - too inconsistent (was great yesterday-was awful against Coventry ) injury prone
Turton - started dreadfully, became a cult figure sadly the injury probably has it for him. A real shame.
Ruffels - awful signing by Warnock
Yuta - will leave this place doesn’t have good memory’s for him. Will probably do well somewhere.
Simpson - why ?
Hudlin - why ?
Harratt - not good enough
Diarra - still don’t get it.
Not sure
Bojan - loved his emotion yesterday. Needs a run of games.
Maxwell - not seen enough
Stuck with
Danny ward.
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Post by Metch on Apr 2, 2024 18:20:15 GMT 1
If we are relegated, then I think there will be a few clubs circling for Brodie and they'll be a huge temptation to sell to balance the books for League 1. Clubs will be circling for Brodie whether we stay up or go down. Only one more year left on his contract... Are we making efforts to extend it? Huge mistake not to sort out earlier whilst he was at Motherwell, unless he's stalling. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 2, 2024 18:23:06 GMT 1
Think there'd be plenty of championship clubs who'd want to take Spencer, Rudini, Helik, Nichols and Thomas.
Wouldn't be that surprised if a few premier clubs are seriously looking at Spencer.
If we go down I doubt we'd be able to keep any of them,,mainly because they'd all be wanting to leave and we'd be needing money.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 2, 2024 18:31:37 GMT 1
Spencer is solid defensively but the higher up the leagues you go, a full back has to be a lot more productive going forward these days. Hopefully he can work on this side of his game.
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 2, 2024 18:33:31 GMT 1
Think there'd be plenty of championship clubs who'd want to take Spencer, Rudini, Helik, Nichols and Thomas. Wouldn't be that surprised if a few premier clubs are seriously looking at Spencer. If we go down I doubt we'd be able to keep any of them,,mainly because they'd all be wanting to leave and we'd be needing money. Spencer is a very good prospect. He was excellent yesterday. He is, however, not ready for the premier league. His game going forward, lacks composure and confidence. |
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Post by jjamez on Apr 2, 2024 18:39:26 GMT 1
Lots of disagreements on here. Rebuilding is a very hard thing to do, but we do need to do it. Keep Spencer, Jones, Headley , Healey Keep unless we get a decent offer. Nichols, Rudhoni , Thomas, Helik, Baulker Release / sell Hogg. - Has been a terrier through and through. A leader and it’s no surprise every manager has picked him. I fear now especially in the championship his legs have gone. He should be applauded and rightly so a great servant to the club. Pearson - too slow Lees - despite what Wednesday fans said about him he has been a good player for us. Time up though. Kasumu - too inconsistent (was great yesterday-was awful against Coventry ) injury prone Turton - started dreadfully, became a cult figure sadly the injury probably has it for him. A real shame. Ruffels - awful signing by Warnock Yuta - will leave this place doesn’t have good memory’s for him. Will probably do well somewhere. Simpson - why ? Hudlin - why ? Harratt - not good enough Diarra - still don’t get it. Not sure Bojan - loved his emotion yesterday. Needs a run of games. Maxwell - not seen enough Stuck with Danny ward. I'd probably agree, although I'd move kasumu to keep, the lad can play and is versatile. A good run of fitness is what he's never had, if he can't get that I think he will develop his game a lot. Maxwell I'd keep also, able back up, if we went down he'd be a solid league one keeper. If he became our championship number one... We've had worse, and I'd argue not many better, you're probably looking at lossl, nicholls, smithies maybe ward. But he is far better than the likes of Schofield, hamer, the hologram. I've said before we need to move on from the likes of Hogg, Pearson and lees. All proper professionals and if we went down I'd perhaps keep one of them around but that is their level. If we stay up we need to thank them for their services and look for the upgrades. I reckon we need 10 new players minimum, regardless of division. If we stay up, then those in the keep unless we get a good offer probably have to stick around. That being said I reckon it won't damage us too much to lose one or two of them and despite my previous criticism of him, rudoni isn't one of them that I'd want to lose. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 2, 2024 18:42:01 GMT 1
I expect that Helik, Nicholls, Spencer, Rudoni & Thomas would all command interest from Championship clubs. There is no doubt about it though that we need a complete overhaul this summer, whether we are relegated or not, I hope we don't sell all those that I have mentioned but, realistically, some of them will have to be, especially if we go down.
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 2, 2024 18:45:33 GMT 1
It will be tough in league one that is for sure and the moaners will have something to moan about. And the clappers will clap. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 2, 2024 18:47:59 GMT 1
Lots of disagreements on here. Rebuilding is a very hard thing to do, but we do need to do it. Keep Spencer, Jones, Headley , Healey Keep unless we get a decent offer. Nichols, Rudhoni , Thomas, Helik, Baulker Release / sell Hogg. - Has been a terrier through and through. A leader and it’s no surprise every manager has picked him. I fear now especially in the championship his legs have gone. He should be applauded and rightly so a great servant to the club. Pearson - too slow Lees - despite what Wednesday fans said about him he has been a good player for us. Time up though. Kasumu - too inconsistent (was great yesterday-was awful against Coventry ) injury prone Turton - started dreadfully, became a cult figure sadly the injury probably has it for him. A real shame. Ruffels - awful signing by Warnock Yuta - will leave this place doesn’t have good memory’s for him. Will probably do well somewhere. Simpson - why ? Hudlin - why ? Harratt - not good enough Diarra - still don’t get it. Not sure Bojan - loved his emotion yesterday. Needs a run of games. Maxwell - not seen enough Stuck with Danny ward. I'd probably agree, although I'd move kasumu to keep, the lad can play and is versatile. A good run of fitness is what he's never had, if he can't get that I think he will develop his game a lot. Maxwell I'd keep also, able back up, if we went down he'd be a solid league one keeper. If he became our championship number one... We've had worse, and I'd argue not many better, you're probably looking at lossl, nicholls, smithies maybe ward. But he is far better than the likes of Schofield, hamer, the hologram. I've said before we need to move on from the likes of Hogg, Pearson and lees. All proper professionals and if we went down I'd perhaps keep one of them around but that is their level. If we stay up we need to thank them for their services and look for the upgrades. I reckon we need 10 new players minimum, regardless of division. If we stay up, then those in the keep unless we get a good offer probably have to stick around. That being said I reckon it won't damage us too much to lose one or two of them and despite my previous criticism of him, rudoni isn't one of them that I'd want to lose. I was on the fence with kasumu. His injury record was the only reason . |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 2, 2024 19:41:54 GMT 1
On the Hogg debate. No doubt he has been a great servant to the club however I do agree it is time to part ways. The club is in dire need of an overhaul and fresh start. Hes been brilliant for us and had a superb career but it'll be disappointing if hes still a first choice regular here next season. Still think hes got a role in the squad though, just for his experience and character. I have nothing negative to say about what he has done for this club except the odd daft booking/red card and for me he has to fall into the same category as boothy etc. (Boothy had 12 years at town, Hogg is on 10?) I just think the club needs to totally reset and start a fresh. Hogg is no spring chicken in football terms and obviously not the player he once was. I suspect he will be on a reasonable wage, a wage that could free up space for new blood. If we stay up, give him his testimonial as a great servant of the club and then start a fresh with a clean slate. Just to clarify Hogg is not the only player I think we need to part ways with but he will certainly be the hardest to see go! |
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Post by johntheterrier on Apr 2, 2024 20:21:04 GMT 1
Hes been practically the first name on the team sheet for all 12 of the permanent managers and all the interim managers hes had at Town, and done that throughout almost all of the most successful period the clubs had in the past 50 odd seasons of its history. And you break that down to.. 'bar one season all hes known is losing and hes a big part of the losing mentality of the club' Maybe we should have stayed in L1 and L2 where we dont lose as much? Good post Hogg has a losing mentality - eh! The guy is 5 foot 8. Not especially quick, strong or good on the pass. Yet through pure determination, bravery and hard graft has squeezed everything he has from his talents He's played over 60 times in the Premier League, won promotion from the Championship (when we finished 5th) and twice been a regular in sides that came third in this League (Watford 12/13 and Town 21/22 He was a regular the season we finished 16th in the PL If the rest of our players had Hogg's attitude we'd be near the top of the league Totally agree. Hoggy has been a legend for Town, end of. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 2, 2024 20:26:27 GMT 1
Good post Hogg has a losing mentality - eh! The guy is 5 foot 8. Not especially quick, strong or good on the pass. Yet through pure determination, bravery and hard graft has squeezed everything he has from his talents He's played over 60 times in the Premier League, won promotion from the Championship (when we finished 5th) and twice been a regular in sides that came third in this League (Watford 12/13 and Town 21/22 He was a regular the season we finished 16th in the PL If the rest of our players had Hogg's attitude we'd be near the top of the league Totally agree. Hoggy has been a legend for Town, end of. I don’t disagree about being a legend at all, but it does make me laugh a little when people post “end of” as though their opinion is final and not to be debated. All whilst posting on a board made for debate. |
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