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Post by htafcdreams on Apr 2, 2024 20:31:57 GMT 1
Would like to go back to recruitment style under Wagner in the promotion/ first season Prem where we looked to recruit leaders from other teams / captains to have steel in the side.
Schindler, Heff, Zanka, T. Smith, Hogg, Williams, Whitehead - previous captains for their sides or for Town
Also we had some serious team players like Lowe, Wells, Kachunga who would put in a serious shift
Town team currently is full of youngsters or not leadership material esp in midfield and up top. We lost Toffolo, OBrien who were decent deputy captains at Town.
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 2, 2024 21:22:00 GMT 1
Would like to go back to recruitment style under Wagner in the promotion/ first season Prem where we looked to recruit leaders from other teams / captains to have steel in the side. Schindler, Heff, Zanka, T. Smith, Hogg, Williams, Whitehead - previous captains for their sides or for Town Also we had some serious team players like Lowe, Wells, Kachunga who would put in a serious shift Town team currently is full of youngsters or not leadership material esp in midfield and up top. We lost Toffolo, OBrien who were decent deputy captains at Town. Stuart Webber was ahead of the game back then. Unfortunately every single Championship club have copied since. |
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Post by bigtruck on Apr 2, 2024 21:36:02 GMT 1
Sorry but it is absolute tosh to say “bar one season” regarding Hogg. He doesn’t stay around for as long as he has getting picked by every manager we have had if he’s only ever had 1 good season. I do wonder why you even bother watching sometimes. Apart from the promotion season, between 2013 and 2024, how many seasons have we had success/winning? A quick glance at the figures and in that time we've won 146 league games out of 437. You should perhaps read my post properly, I haven't said Hogg has only ever had one good season, I said he's only really experienced one season where we weren't losing. But it's alright, let's get another dig in about my support of the club. My apologies I did misread and understand the mentality behind it but the fact you’re singling Hogg out within that period still seems like you’re pinpointing him as the one constant. The fact that every manager still picked him still shows that he obviously didn’t have this “losing mindset” if anything I’d say he was more likely to be the one dragging those with it up by their bootstraps. I think people underestimate Hoggs contribution and importance to the squad over the 10 years and still to this day. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 3, 2024 0:20:06 GMT 1
Think there'd be plenty of championship clubs who'd want to take Spencer, Rudini, Helik, Nichols and Thomas. Wouldn't be that surprised if a few premier clubs are seriously looking at Spencer. If we go down I doubt we'd be able to keep any of them,,mainly because they'd all be wanting to leave and we'd be needing money. Spencer is a very good prospect. He was excellent yesterday. He is, however, not ready for the premier league. His game going forward, lacks composure and confidence. Agree, he isnt a PL player right now, but he has a lot of potential to be. The improvement hes made this season alone has been huge and theres still lots to come if hes coached right IMO. I could certainly see a PL club buying him and then loaning him out to a top championship club or perhaps a club in europe for a season. His performances for NI will have caught the eye. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 3, 2024 7:18:04 GMT 1
Spencer is a very good prospect. He was excellent yesterday. He is, however, not ready for the premier league. His game going forward, lacks composure and confidence. Agree, he isnt a PL player right now, but he has a lot of potential to be. The improvement hes made this season alone has been huge and theres still lots to come if hes coached right IMO. I could certainly see a PL club buying him and then loaning him out to a top championship club or perhaps a club in europe for a season. His performances for NI will have caught the eye. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 3, 2024 7:21:12 GMT 1
Agree, he isnt a PL player right now, but he has a lot of potential to be. The improvement hes made this season alone has been huge and theres still lots to come if hes coached right IMO. I could certainly see a PL club buying him and then loaning him out to a top championship club or perhaps a club in europe for a season. His performances for NI will have caught the eye. Agreed. Beggars belief that we loaned him out in the first place. However, maybe he needed that consistent game time. I guess also nobody expected the injuries we had. So I’ve contradicted myself there…. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 3, 2024 7:59:11 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be bothered if they let the lot go. Helik, Rudoni, Spencer and Nicholls are the only ones who are currently at the required level. Why anyone would want Hogg as a player-coach is beyond me? He’s limited technically and seems to shift the blame to others, maybe better as a fitness coach, but I was surprised he came back as captain after being sent off and suspended. Town fans (or perhaps it's just football fans in general?) seem to have this obsession with players going on to become the manager. Before Hogg it was Michael Hefele and before that it was Andy Booth and before that it was Darren Bullock. Just beyond weird. Bar one season, all Hogg has known at Huddersfield Town is losing. He's a big part of the losing mentality at the club and shouldn't be offered a new contract. We need a fresh start, with as many of the serial losers out of the door as possible. Otherwise, we'll never ever move on. While we haven't exactly been bursting with success during Hogg's time here, to say 'bar one season all he's known is losing' is a bit of dramatic overstatement. I mean for starters, he's gone through 2 promotion campaigns, and a successful survival campaign in the PL. Even in the many relegation battles we've been involved in, he's been one of the consistently better performers. I take your point that the club is largely absent of a 'winning mentality', but I think Hogg is the last player who should be accused of being a part of it. |
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 3, 2024 8:43:14 GMT 1
We have a league 1 team already?, well that's what most on here have said for past few seasons!!
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Post by jjamez on Apr 3, 2024 8:55:02 GMT 1
Does anyone know how ayina has been doing north of the border? He looked decent but very raw so hopefully there could have been the Spencer effect on his loan.
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Post by benhomly on Apr 3, 2024 8:55:03 GMT 1
Think there'd be plenty of championship clubs who'd want to take Spencer, Rudini, Helik, Nichols and Thomas. Wouldn't be that surprised if a few premier clubs are seriously looking at Spencer. If we go down I doubt we'd be able to keep any of them,,mainly because they'd all be wanting to leave and we'd be needing money. Which makes it even more inexcusable that we're in the position we're in. How many other clubs in the relegation battle can say they've got at least 5 players that other Championship clubs would be interested in? Only Spencer out of those hasn't been available to us for any decent length of time this season. Just another example of this club not maximising its opportunities in recent years. If we go down and they're still in contract they should be made to stay for a promotion push next season. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Apr 3, 2024 9:00:41 GMT 1
Think there'd be plenty of championship clubs who'd want to take Spencer, Rudini, Helik, Nichols and Thomas. Wouldn't be that surprised if a few premier clubs are seriously looking at Spencer. If we go down I doubt we'd be able to keep any of them,,mainly because they'd all be wanting to leave and we'd be needing money. Which makes it even more inexcusable that we're in the position we're in. How many other clubs in the relegation battle can say they've got at least 5 players that other Championship clubs would be interested in? Only Spencer out of those hasn't been available to us for any decent length of time this season. Just another example of this club not maximising its opportunities in recent years. If we go down and they're still in contract they should be made to stay for a promotion push next season. But does it not possibly mean that we ONLY have 5 championship quality players - which would actually explain the position we are in? |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 9:02:43 GMT 1
Town fans (or perhaps it's just football fans in general?) seem to have this obsession with players going on to become the manager. Before Hogg it was Michael Hefele and before that it was Andy Booth and before that it was Darren Bullock. Just beyond weird. Bar one season, all Hogg has known at Huddersfield Town is losing. He's a big part of the losing mentality at the club and shouldn't be offered a new contract. We need a fresh start, with as many of the serial losers out of the door as possible. Otherwise, we'll never ever move on. While we haven't exactly been bursting with success during Hogg's time here, to say 'bar one season all he's known is losing' is a bit of dramatic overstatement. I mean for starters, he's gone through 2 promotion campaigns, and a successful survival campaign in the PL. Even in the many relegation battles we've been involved in, he's been one of the consistently better performers. I take your point that the club is largely absent of a 'winning mentality', but I think Hogg is the last player who should be accused of being a part of it. Which was the other promotion? |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Apr 3, 2024 9:09:21 GMT 1
Some good chat on the rebuild required - a handful of players who are good enough to be starters and a handful decent squad players and then a need to refresh the rest of it.
Sadly this thread has been ambushed as an attempt to slag off Hogg. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but anyone saying Hogg has had a sh1t career, imo clearly doesn’t understand football. Is he past his best? Yes…but still an excellent leader and has been a quality player and leader for this club for a very long time. A club legend who deserves respect.
I know someone who lived with Hoggy in his younger days at Watford and apparently his commitment to lifestyle, fitness and training and just being the best he can be was incredible. As I say, he deserves huge respect.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 9:11:43 GMT 1
Some good chat on the rebuild required - a handful of players who are good enough to be starters and a handful decent squad players and then a need to refresh the rest of it. Sadly this thread has been ambushed as an attempt to slag off Hogg. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but anyone saying Hogg has had a sh1t career, imo clearly doesn’t understand football. Is he past his best? Yes…but still an excellent leader and has been a quality player and leader for this club for a very long time. A club legend who deserves respect. I know someone who lived with Hoggy in his younger days at Watford and apparently his commitment to lifestyle, fitness and training and just being the best he can be was incredible. As I say, he deserves huge respect. No-one said Hogg has had a shit career. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Apr 3, 2024 9:16:53 GMT 1
Some good chat on the rebuild required - a handful of players who are good enough to be starters and a handful decent squad players and then a need to refresh the rest of it. Sadly this thread has been ambushed as an attempt to slag off Hogg. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but anyone saying Hogg has had a sh1t career, imo clearly doesn’t understand football. Is he past his best? Yes…but still an excellent leader and has been a quality player and leader for this club for a very long time. A club legend who deserves respect. I know someone who lived with Hoggy in his younger days at Watford and apparently his commitment to lifestyle, fitness and training and just being the best he can be was incredible. As I say, he deserves huge respect. No-one said Hogg has had a shit career. Yawn. Saying someone has had two good seasons at best (your words not mine) certainly suggests a poor career wouldn’t you say. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 9:19:05 GMT 1
No-one said Hogg has had a shit career. Yawn. Saying someone has had two good seasons at best (your words not mine) certainly suggests a poor career wouldn’t you say. Someone else suggested he'd had one great season. No outrage though. Yawn. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 3, 2024 10:03:55 GMT 1
Agreed. Beggars belief that we loaned him out in the first place. However, maybe he needed that consistent game time. I guess also nobody expected the injuries we had. So I’ve contradicted myself there…. You have a bit!  being honest I didnt rate him much at all before he went away to Motherwell. Didn't really see much potential there and thought he made so many individual errors he wasnt going to get enough game time to improve. Id struggle to remember a loan spell away improving a player so much. |
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Post by runner76 on Apr 3, 2024 10:11:37 GMT 1
Would like to go back to recruitment style under Wagner in the promotion/ first season Prem where we looked to recruit leaders from other teams / captains to have steel in the side. Schindler, Heff, Zanka, T. Smith, Hogg, Williams, Whitehead - previous captains for their sides or for Town Also we had some serious team players like Lowe, Wells, Kachunga who would put in a serious shift Town team currently is full of youngsters or not leadership material esp in midfield and up top. We lost Toffolo, OBrien who were decent deputy captains at Town. Assuming that AB sticks around regardless of the league we end up in, I would very much expect he would bring in some German lads....... |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 3, 2024 10:12:45 GMT 1
Town fans (or perhaps it's just football fans in general?) seem to have this obsession with players going on to become the manager. Before Hogg it was Michael Hefele and before that it was Andy Booth and before that it was Darren Bullock. Just beyond weird. Bar one season, all Hogg has known at Huddersfield Town is losing. He's a big part of the losing mentality at the club and shouldn't be offered a new contract. We need a fresh start, with as many of the serial losers out of the door as possible. Otherwise, we'll never ever move on. , to say 'bar one season all he's known is losing' is a bit of dramatic overstatement. I mean for starters, he's gone through 2 promotion campaigns, and a successful survival campaign in the PL. Even in the many relegation battles we've been involved in, he's been one of the consistently better performers. I take your point that the club is largely absent of a 'winning mentality', but I think Hogg is the last player who should be accused of being a part of it. Think that depends how youre measuring 'success'. If it's winning a lot of games, then no, it hasnt been a successful decade. Weve lost far more than weve won. If its the clubs position in the pyramid, then its been very successful. The higher we are in that pyramid, the harder it is for a club like Town to win games, or any club for that matter. If we'd spent the last decade in League 1 and 2, we'd have won far more games, but would that have been as successful? I dont think so. |
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Post by runner76 on Apr 3, 2024 10:17:50 GMT 1
While we haven't exactly been bursting with success during Hogg's time here, to say 'bar one season all he's known is losing' is a bit of dramatic overstatement. I mean for starters, he's gone through 2 promotion campaigns, and a successful survival campaign in the PL. Even in the many relegation battles we've been involved in, he's been one of the consistently better performers. I take your point that the club is largely absent of a 'winning mentality', but I think Hogg is the last player who should be accused of being a part of it. Think that depends how youre measuring 'success'. If it's winning a lot of games, then no, it hasnt been a successful decade. Weve lost far more than weve won. If its the clubs position in the pyramid, then its been very successful. The higher we are in that pyramid, the harder it is for a club like Town to win games, or any club for that matter. If we'd spent the last decade in League 1 and 2, we'd have won far more games, but would that have been as successful? I dont think so. I don't think any team has been as successful whilst being as shit as Town in the last decade |
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 3, 2024 10:38:34 GMT 1
Think that depends how youre measuring 'success'. If it's winning a lot of games, then no, it hasnt been a successful decade. Weve lost far more than weve won. If its the clubs position in the pyramid, then its been very successful. The higher we are in that pyramid, the harder it is for a club like Town to win games, or any club for that matter. If we'd spent the last decade in League 1 and 2, we'd have won far more games, but would that have been as successful? I dont think so. I don't think any team has been as successful whilst being as shit as Town in the last decade We are successful at being shit? |
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Post by runner76 on Apr 3, 2024 10:39:49 GMT 1
I don't think any team has been as successful whilst being as shit as Town in the last decade We are successful at being shit? Over achievers in that |
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Post by araucaria on Apr 3, 2024 10:40:20 GMT 1
While we haven't exactly been bursting with success during Hogg's time here, to say 'bar one season all he's known is losing' is a bit of dramatic overstatement. I mean for starters, he's gone through 2 promotion campaigns, and a successful survival campaign in the PL. Even in the many relegation battles we've been involved in, he's been one of the consistently better performers. I take your point that the club is largely absent of a 'winning mentality', but I think Hogg is the last player who should be accused of being a part of it. Which was the other promotion? 2021-22 wasn't a promotion campaign because it didn't end in promotion? |
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Post by araucaria on Apr 3, 2024 10:43:32 GMT 1
Lots of disagreements on here. Rebuilding is a very hard thing to do, but we do need to do it. Keep Spencer, Jones, Headley , Healey Keep unless we get a decent offer. Nichols, Rudhoni , Thomas, Helik, Baulker Release / sell Hogg. - Has been a terrier through and through. A leader and it’s no surprise every manager has picked him. I fear now especially in the championship his legs have gone. He should be applauded and rightly so a great servant to the club. Pearson - too slow Lees - despite what Wednesday fans said about him he has been a good player for us. Time up though. Kasumu - too inconsistent (was great yesterday-was awful against Coventry ) injury prone Turton - started dreadfully, became a cult figure sadly the injury probably has it for him. A real shame. Ruffels - awful signing by Warnock Yuta - will leave this place doesn’t have good memory’s for him. Will probably do well somewhere. Simpson - why ? Hudlin - why ? Harratt - not good enough Diarra - still don’t get it. Not sure Bojan - loved his emotion yesterday. Needs a run of games. Maxwell - not seen enough Stuck with Danny ward. Well done on including those most at risk of being the forgotten man. What do you suggest we do with Ben Wiles? |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 10:50:14 GMT 1
Which was the other promotion? 2021-22 wasn't a promotion campaign because it didn't end in promotion? In that case 1965-66, 1975-76, 1980-81, 1991-92, 2001-02, 2005-06, 2009-10, 2010-11 are all promotion campaigns as well? |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Apr 3, 2024 10:59:35 GMT 1
Would like to go back to recruitment style under Wagner in the promotion/ first season Prem where we looked to recruit leaders from other teams / captains to have steel in the side. Schindler, Heff, Zanka, T. Smith, Hogg, Williams, Whitehead - previous captains for their sides or for Town Also we had some serious team players like Lowe, Wells, Kachunga who would put in a serious shift Town team currently is full of youngsters or not leadership material esp in midfield and up top. We lost Toffolo, OBrien who were decent deputy captains at Town. Assuming that AB sticks around regardless of the league we end up in, I would very much expect he would bring in some German lads....... Hopefully. Or just generally have a good idea of players on the continent as Cartwright’s knowledge of it seems patchy at best. |
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Post by benhomly on Apr 3, 2024 11:10:07 GMT 1
Which makes it even more inexcusable that we're in the position we're in. How many other clubs in the relegation battle can say they've got at least 5 players that other Championship clubs would be interested in? Only Spencer out of those hasn't been available to us for any decent length of time this season. Just another example of this club not maximising its opportunities in recent years. If we go down and they're still in contract they should be made to stay for a promotion push next season. But does it not possibly mean that we ONLY have 5 championship quality players - which would actually explain the position we are in? I think the argument is that those 5 would get in decent Championship teams not just perpetual relegation threatened ones. We have got plenty of other capable players at this level like Pearson, Lees, Hogg, Kasumu and early days yet but Balker, Healey and even Radulovic. Add to that our PL loan Matos and we should be far higher up the table than we are. A catalogue of crap appointments at Head Coach level and behind the scenes have held the team back IMO. Edit - you only have to look at Duane Holmes; according to Wiki he's made 26 appearances for a play off chasing side this season. Most would have had him on the bench at best when he was here. There's clearly something wrong with the coaching at this club. |
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Post by town1971 on Apr 3, 2024 11:11:59 GMT 1
Lots of disagreements on here. Rebuilding is a very hard thing to do, but we do need to do it. Keep Spencer, Jones, Headley , Healey Keep unless we get a decent offer. Nichols, Rudhoni , Thomas, Helik, Baulker Release / sell Hogg. - Has been a terrier through and through. A leader and it’s no surprise every manager has picked him. I fear now especially in the championship his legs have gone. He should be applauded and rightly so a great servant to the club. Pearson - too slow Lees - despite what Wednesday fans said about him he has been a good player for us. Time up though. Kasumu - too inconsistent (was great yesterday-was awful against Coventry ) injury prone Turton - started dreadfully, became a cult figure sadly the injury probably has it for him. A real shame. Ruffels - awful signing by Warnock Yuta - will leave this place doesn’t have good memory’s for him. Will probably do well somewhere. Simpson - why ? Hudlin - why ? Harratt - not good enough Diarra - still don’t get it. Not sure Bojan - loved his emotion yesterday. Needs a run of games. Maxwell - not seen enough Stuck with Danny ward. Well done on including those most at risk of being the forgotten man. What do you suggest we do with Ben Wiles? Cannot believe we have "waste of a wage" Ward a 2 year extension!!! I must have missed that big mistake . |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 3, 2024 11:17:31 GMT 1
Well done on including those most at risk of being the forgotten man. What do you suggest we do with Ben Wiles? Cannot believe we have "waste of a wage" Ward a 2 year extension!!! I must have missed that big mistake . Send your letters of thanks to Cornwall for that one. |
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