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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 3, 2024 13:33:11 GMT 1
Agreed. Beggars belief that we loaned him out in the first place. However, maybe he needed that consistent game time. I guess also nobody expected the injuries we had. So I’ve contradicted myself there…. You have a bit!  being honest I didnt rate him much at all before he went away to Motherwell. Didn't really see much potential there and thought he made so many individual errors he wasnt going to get enough game time to improve. Id struggle to remember a loan spell away improving a player so much.I can only think of 2: Jack Hunt & Lewis O'Brien. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 3, 2024 13:48:29 GMT 1
I love Hogg. A magnificent servant who should be revered.
I’m also hugely frustrated that we cannot move on from him. More evidence of a club without a plan or a vision (accepting that KN needs to be given time, though his generals in the boardroom are massively uninspiring).
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 3, 2024 14:19:10 GMT 1
I love Hogg. A magnificent servant who should be revered. I’m also hugely frustrated that we cannot move on from him. More evidence of a club without a plan or a vision (accepting that KN needs to be given time, though his generals in the boardroom are massively uninspiring). I thought we had Orcus in the boardroom? |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 3, 2024 15:45:27 GMT 1
Lots of disagreements on here. Rebuilding is a very hard thing to do, but we do need to do it. Keep Spencer, Jones, Headley , Healey Keep unless we get a decent offer. Nichols, Rudhoni , Thomas, Helik, Baulker Release / sell Hogg. - Has been a terrier through and through. A leader and it’s no surprise every manager has picked him. I fear now especially in the championship his legs have gone. He should be applauded and rightly so a great servant to the club. Pearson - too slow Lees - despite what Wednesday fans said about him he has been a good player for us. Time up though. Kasumu - too inconsistent (was great yesterday-was awful against Coventry ) injury prone Turton - started dreadfully, became a cult figure sadly the injury probably has it for him. A real shame. Ruffels - awful signing by Warnock Yuta - will leave this place doesn’t have good memory’s for him. Will probably do well somewhere. Simpson - why ? Hudlin - why ? Harratt - not good enough Diarra - still don’t get it. Not sure Bojan - loved his emotion yesterday. Needs a run of games. Maxwell - not seen enough Stuck with Danny ward. Well done on including those most at risk of being the forgotten man. What do you suggest we do with Ben Wiles? Loan him to Motherwell |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 3, 2024 15:47:35 GMT 1
Agreed. Beggars belief that we loaned him out in the first place. However, maybe he needed that consistent game time. I guess also nobody expected the injuries we had. So I’ve contradicted myself there…. You have a bit! being honest I didnt rate him much at all before he went away to Motherwell. Didn't really see much potential there and thought he made so many individual errors he wasnt going to get enough game time to improve. Id struggle to remember a loan spell away improving a player so much. From what I saw of him in the Carabao Cup games and the league games under buzz I thought he looked decent but inexperienced and a bit on the weak side. I thought one for the future but certainly didn't expect him to be so good so soon |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 3, 2024 17:09:43 GMT 1
While we haven't exactly been bursting with success during Hogg's time here, to say 'bar one season all he's known is losing' is a bit of dramatic overstatement. I mean for starters, he's gone through 2 promotion campaigns, and a successful survival campaign in the PL. Even in the many relegation battles we've been involved in, he's been one of the consistently better performers. I take your point that the club is largely absent of a 'winning mentality', but I think Hogg is the last player who should be accused of being a part of it. Which was the other promotion? You know fine well what it was. Falling at the last hurdle doesn't mean it wasn't a 'promotion campaign'. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 3, 2024 17:10:24 GMT 1
2021-22 wasn't a promotion campaign because it didn't end in promotion? In that case 1965-66, 1975-76, 1980-81, 1991-92, 2001-02, 2005-06, 2009-10, 2010-11 are all promotion campaigns as well? Correct |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 17:17:41 GMT 1
Which was the other promotion? You know fine well what it was. Falling at the last hurdle doesn't mean it wasn't a 'promotion campaign'. If you count that as a promotion campaign, then fair enough. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 3, 2024 17:38:17 GMT 1
You know fine well what it was. Falling at the last hurdle doesn't mean it wasn't a 'promotion campaign'. If you count that as a promotion campaign, then fair enough. It was a campaign in which we seriously challenged for promotion. It was also a campaign in which we won plenty of matches. Half of our league matches. Hogg played in 31 matches so was an integral part of a winning team that season. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 17:45:23 GMT 1
If you count that as a promotion campaign, then fair enough. It was a campaign in which we seriously challenged for promotion. It was also a campaign in which we won plenty of matches. Half of our league matches. Hogg played in 31 matches so was an integral part of a winning team that season. Just as he was an integral part of 2016-17. However, those "winning" seasons have been few and far between. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 3, 2024 19:14:03 GMT 1
It was a campaign in which we seriously challenged for promotion. It was also a campaign in which we won plenty of matches. Half of our league matches. Hogg played in 31 matches so was an integral part of a winning team that season. Just as he was an integral part of 2016-17. However, those "winning" seasons have been few and far between. True, but I wouldn't be looking at Hogg for why so many of those seasons have been ones in which we've struggled. Hogg is now coming to the end of his career, but for the majority of his time at Town he has been a key player for us. Lots of reasons why we have struggled, but IMO he is not one of them. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 19:21:18 GMT 1
Just as he was an integral part of 2016-17. However, those "winning" seasons have been few and far between. True, but I wouldn't be looking at Hogg for why so many of those seasons have been ones in which we've struggled. Hogg is now coming to the end of his career, but for the majority of his time at Town he has been a key player for us. Lots of reasons why we have struggled, but IMO he is not one of them. Never said he was. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 3, 2024 20:01:27 GMT 1
True, but I wouldn't be looking at Hogg for why so many of those seasons have been ones in which we've struggled. Hogg is now coming to the end of his career, but for the majority of his time at Town he has been a key player for us. Lots of reasons why we have struggled, but IMO he is not one of them. Never said he was. Yes, you did. You said: "Bar one season, all Hogg has known at Huddersfield Town is losing. He's a big part of the losing mentality at the club." |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 20:15:37 GMT 1
Yes, you did. You said: "Bar one season, all Hogg has known at Huddersfield Town is losing. He's a big part of the losing mentality at the club." Well he is. At no time did I say he was to blame for the struggle in most of those seasons. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 3, 2024 20:36:06 GMT 1
Yes, you did. You said: "Bar one season, all Hogg has known at Huddersfield Town is losing. He's a big part of the losing mentality at the club." He never actually said Hogg was one of the reasons. He stated that Hogg has been part of a losing mentality, which he has. A losing mentality and a reason we are losing are 2 completely different things. It's getting ridiculous now people twisting htafcokays words. |
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Post by ldotm on Apr 3, 2024 20:44:54 GMT 1
Yes, you did. You said: "Bar one season, all Hogg has known at Huddersfield Town is losing. He's a big part of the losing mentality at the club." He never actually said Hogg was one of the reasons. He stated that Hogg has been part of a losing mentality, which he has. A losing mentality and a reason we are losing are 2 completely different things. It's getting ridiculous now people twisting htafcokays words. Tbf he did also say Hogg has had two good seasons, at best. Depends how you interpret it, but surely that implies Hogg is a factor in why we are where we are? |
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 3, 2024 21:09:59 GMT 1
He never actually said Hogg was one of the reasons. He stated that Hogg has been part of a losing mentality, which he has. A losing mentality and a reason we are losing are 2 completely different things. It's getting ridiculous now people twisting htafcokays words. Tbf he did also say Hogg has had two good seasons, at best. Depends how you interpret it, but surely that implies Hogg is a factor in why we are where we are? No - he didn't say that. He said HTAFC had 2 good seasons. I don't think he's implying Hogg has to do with anything. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 3, 2024 21:11:32 GMT 1
He never actually said Hogg was one of the reasons. He stated that Hogg has been part of a losing mentality, which he has. A losing mentality and a reason we are losing are 2 completely different things. It's getting ridiculous now people twisting htafcokays words. Tbf he did also say Hogg has had two good seasons, at best. Depends how you interpret it, but surely that implies Hogg is a factor in why we are where we are? Any player is a factor in those situation. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 3, 2024 21:28:51 GMT 1
He never actually said Hogg was one of the reasons. He stated that Hogg has been part of a losing mentality, which he has. A losing mentality and a reason we are losing are 2 completely different things. It's getting ridiculous now people twisting htafcokays words. Tbf he did also say Hogg has had two good seasons, at best. Depends how you interpret it, but surely that implies Hogg is a factor in why we are where we are? Not really. If I meant that, I would have said it. Too many people quick to jump on without actually reading what I've said. As usual. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Apr 3, 2024 21:45:55 GMT 1
Hogg has only done okay with better players around him (Mooy, O'Brien). When he's been our 'key' midfielder we've been really poor.
Never good enough to be our 'key' midfielder and now not even good enough to be in our midfield.
Good bloke and tries his bollocks off though.
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Post by bigtruck on Apr 3, 2024 21:48:43 GMT 1
Hogg has only done okay with better players around him (Mooy, O'Brien). When he's been our 'key' midfielder we've been really poor. Never good enough to be our 'key' midfielder and now not even good enough to be in our midfield. Good bloke and tries his bollocks off though. I find it hard to agree though with this. If you could match the team performance but swap Hogg for one of Kasumu or Matos against Stoke then I honestly believe we win that game. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Apr 3, 2024 21:53:04 GMT 1
Hogg has only done okay with better players around him (Mooy, O'Brien). When he's been our 'key' midfielder we've been really poor. Never good enough to be our 'key' midfielder and now not even good enough to be in our midfield. Good bloke and tries his bollocks off though. I find it hard to agree though with this. If you could match the team performance but swap Hogg for one of Kasumu or Matos against Stoke then I honestly believe we win that game. I disagree - think we'd have looked static - just like we have done in the other seasons without Mooy & O'Brien. |
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Post by Sparrow on Apr 3, 2024 22:07:15 GMT 1
Does anyone know how ayina has been doing north of the border? He looked decent but very raw so hopefully there could have been the Spencer effect on his loan. He’s doing really well played 10 games out of 12. Play the full 90 minutes in all of them. Think he got a man of the match in one. Also been called for Congo against Gabon. Didn’t play though, but shows he progressed to get a call up. I might be going to watch him on Saturday |
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Post by ldotm on Apr 3, 2024 22:20:41 GMT 1
Tbf he did also say Hogg has had two good seasons, at best. Depends how you interpret it, but surely that implies Hogg is a factor in why we are where we are? Not really. If I meant that, I would have said it. Too many people quick to jump on without actually reading what I've said. As usual. “He's had a couple of good seasons at best and is a massive part of a side that are serial losers” Anyway, if that’s not how you meant it fair enough. |
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Post by ldotm on Apr 3, 2024 22:21:57 GMT 1
Tbf he did also say Hogg has had two good seasons, at best. Depends how you interpret it, but surely that implies Hogg is a factor in why we are where we are? No - he didn't say that. He said HTAFC had 2 good seasons. I don't think he's implying Hogg has to do with anything. See my above post. Anyway, if it’s not how he meant it then fair enough. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 3, 2024 22:53:55 GMT 1
All gone a bit tit for tat on here.
For me a younger Hogg was superb at this level doing the dirty work alongside a more talented midfielder eg Mooy, O’Brien.
Only two issues, he is no longer a younger Hogg, and we have no midfielders close to the level of O’Brien at his best at town nevermind Mooy!
As I said in a previous post, a terrific servant of the club who has had a good career for a “dirty work” midfielder. However the club needs a change to try and avoid the repeated outcome of a relegation battle.
Time for a clean slate and a fresh start. Hogg is not alone in this!
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