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Post by bigtruck on Apr 13, 2024 11:13:08 GMT 1
You read through this thread and we don’t half come across as either a bunch of entitled pricks or the most miserable set of tosser ever.
Do you not think Dave (and the club) know being at the bottom is depressing. Do you not think Dave (and the club) know it’s hard to get excited when we’ve seen more of our fair share of disappointment over the last 15 years.
We’re all quick to lay the blame. Cartwrights signings. Hogg too old. Chelsea dictating playing time. Kevin being a yank. Edward’s being half a yank. No one being good enough as they don’t have championship experience either as players, managers, owners, chief execs. It’s a load of codswallop. “Experienced managers average 1.18 pts per game whereas as “first timers” average 1.38. So let’s put that bollocks to bed shall we.
The bottom line is we’ve not been good enough. On and off the field. We’ve not been good enough as fans either. This from Dave is an attempt to find out how we can try make a difference in the last couple of home games. And yes it may sound desperate but that’s the situation we’re in. Every 0.01% makes a difference. And we have the opportunity to make that difference. To paraphrase…..
I don’t know what to say really. 2 Home games of the biggest battle of our professional lives. Either we heal as a team, or we’re going to crumble, inch by inch, play by play, til we’re finished.
We’re in hell right now, gentlemen, believe me. And we can stay here, get the shit kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell, one inch at a time.
You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small. I mean, one half a step too late or too early and you don’t quite make it. One half second, too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it. The inches we need are everywhere around us. They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second
With our team, we have to fight for that inch. On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch because we know when we add up all those inches, that’s going to make the f**king difference between winning and losing, between living and dying.
I’ll tell you this, in any fight, it’s the guy who’s willing to die, who’s going to win that inch. And I know if I’m going to have any life anymore, it’s because I’m still willing to fight and die for that inch because that’s what living is, the six inches in front of your face. Now I can’t make you do it. You got to look at the guy next to you, look into his eyes.
Now I think you’re going to see a guy who will go that inch with you. You’re going to see a guy who will sacrifice himself for this team because he knows when it comes down to it, you’re going to do the same for him. That’s a team, gentlemen. And either we heal now as a team or we will die as individuals. That’s football, guys. That’s all it is. Now, what are WE going to do?
Rant over….
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Post by Mounie for nothing on Apr 13, 2024 11:24:32 GMT 1
You read through this thread and we don’t half come across as either a bunch of entitled pricks or the most miserable set of tosser ever. Do you not think Dave (and the club) know being at the bottom is depressing. Do you not think Dave (and the club) know it’s hard to get excited when we’ve seen more of our fair share of disappointment over the last 15 years. We’re all quick to lay the blame. Cartwrights signings. Hogg too old. Chelsea dictating playing time. Kevin being a yank. Edward’s being half a yank. No one being good enough as they don’t have championship experience either as players, managers, owners, chief execs. It’s a load of codswallop. “Experienced managers average 1.18 pts per game whereas as “first timers” average 1.38. So let’s put that bollocks to bed shall we. The bottom line is we’ve not been good enough. On and off the field. We’ve not been good enough as fans either. This from Dave is an attempt to find out how we can try make a difference in the last couple of home games. And yes it may sound desperate but that’s the situation we’re in. Every 0.01% makes a difference. And we have the opportunity to make that difference. To paraphrase….. I don’t know what to say really. 2 Home games of the biggest battle of our professional lives. Either we heal as a team, or we’re going to crumble, inch by inch, play by play, til we’re finished. We’re in hell right now, gentlemen, believe me. And we can stay here, get the shit kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell, one inch at a time. You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small. I mean, one half a step too late or too early and you don’t quite make it. One half second, too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it. The inches we need are everywhere around us. They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second With our team, we have to fight for that inch. On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch because we know when we add up all those inches, that’s going to make the f**king difference between winning and losing, between living and dying. I’ll tell you this, in any fight, it’s the guy who’s willing to die, who’s going to win that inch. And I know if I’m going to have any life anymore, it’s because I’m still willing to fight and die for that inch because that’s what living is, the six inches in front of your face. Now I can’t make you do it. You got to look at the guy next to you, look into his eyes. Now I think you’re going to see a guy who will go that inch with you. You’re going to see a guy who will sacrifice himself for this team because he knows when it comes down to it, you’re going to do the same for him. That’s a team, gentlemen. And either we heal now as a team or we will die as individuals. That’s football, guys. That’s all it is. Now, what are WE going to do? Rant over…. Unfortunately we seem to have fuck all fight, and we don't have Al Pacino to deliver an inspirational speech... |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 13, 2024 11:31:27 GMT 1
The fact it’s taken somebody who is incredibly close to the club to come on DATM to ask just goes to show how badly this club is run. People say the club has a bright future? To not be able to create basic marketing offers/scenarios is frightening. How can a self made millionaire/billionaire not think of this stuff? Do you actually think any of what you have just said is sensible? Are you 12 years old? Na pretty successful middle aged man to be fair. Hope you’re well joey. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 13, 2024 11:36:04 GMT 1
Do you actually think any of what you have just said is sensible? Are you 12 years old? Na pretty successful middle aged man to be fair. Hope you’re well joey. Sorry it was out of order really my post. Just tired of people moaning about things that are meant with good intentions. The guy just asked a question. Someone with very close connections to the club, asking for a bit of input, getting us involved a little. Theres not really any need to for the sniping to be fair, that’s all I meant. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 13, 2024 11:37:23 GMT 1
Na pretty successful middle aged man to be fair. Hope you’re well joey. Sorry it was out of order really my post. Just tired of people moaning about things that are meant with good intentions. The guy just asked a question. Someone with very close connections to the club, asking for a bit of input, getting us involved a little. Theres not really any need to for the sniping to be fair, that’s all I meant. I get it mate, I really do. We’re all very emotional at the moment because it’s just been years of relegation battles bar a couple. It does take it’s stress not matter what anybody says. Be just nice to see the club have this sort of plan in place without having to ask. Maybe that will come with time, just feel it’s running out on an hourly basis currently. |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 13, 2024 11:43:31 GMT 1
Seems to me Dave has more fight in him than most of this team right now. Maybe that’s because Dave and the owner are here long-term whilst the squad (hopefully) are marched through the exit door this Summer. The only problem there is they’ll know it and a fight to stay up or getting injured isn’t their idea of fun.
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Post by ram on Apr 13, 2024 12:04:16 GMT 1
Does the post at the head of this page refer to the fans, or the Players who are responsible for the position we are in {whilst still collecting their undeserved wages}
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Apr 13, 2024 13:16:07 GMT 1
We’ve not been good enough as fans either Id absolutely dispute this statement. Id say as a fan base since we came down from the Premier League we've been incredibly patient ans understanding as fan base. Not including this season, since we got relegated from the Premier League we've - Finishes 18th, 20th, 3rd, 18th - Been knocked out of the FA Cup in the first round we've entered 3 out of the 4 seasons - Been knocked out of the League Cup in first round we've entered in 3 out of the 4 seasons - Had a minus goal difference in 3 out of the last 4 seasons - Had 3 separate owners of the club - Had 12 different managers in charge of the squad - Seen 100s of millions on pounds wasted on players who were, on the whole absolutely shite Yet in these seasons we've averaged 18k, 17.5k,and 19.k attendances. We've heard very little in way of disgruntledness from the stands and on the whole I think the atmosphere has generally been fairly decent. The Club have been very lucky so many have stuck with it for so long as many other clubs would have suffered dogs abuse going through what we have over the past 5 seasons. To call the fans out for not being good enough os just wrong IMO. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 13, 2024 13:20:47 GMT 1
Smacks of desperation to me. Smacks of you never having anything positive to say. Smacks of you conveniently ignoring anything positive I do say. I've already said the club have improved off the pitch, but that doesn't suit your agenda, does it? |
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Post by Randy Watson on Apr 13, 2024 13:20:55 GMT 1
Don't the club employ people to think of schemes and ways of getting more fans through the door? The fact it’s taken somebody who is incredibly close to the club to come on DATM to ask just goes to show how badly this club is run. People say the club has a bright future? To not be able to create basic marketing offers/scenarios is frightening. How can a self made millionaire/billionaire not think of this stuff? Mate? the guy is just trying to help |
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Post by Randy Watson on Apr 13, 2024 13:32:38 GMT 1
Personally as someone mentioned earlier packing the place full of school kids is not the answer in the short term. How about contacting those who have in the past had a ST and offer them a freebie ? Loads of regulars have found other things to do I feel, including myself. Offering every ST holder who turns up a free pie n a pint would be a nice gesture as well (loads don't go despite paying)reward the loyal. Anyone who can prove they're unemployed, let them in for nowt. I'm away most weekends loving life on the east coast so I wouldn't take up any offers I'm afraid. I still love them from a distance though UTT
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 13, 2024 14:18:15 GMT 1
Fans: the club never communicate!
Club: hey fans, what do you want to see happen to help you all support the club?
Fans: f**k off, surely you paying people to tell you what we want!
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Post by royrace on Apr 13, 2024 14:43:05 GMT 1
I thought this - and initially the post felt a bit weird - but then we have insisted that the club should've listened to us on the squad last summer, and the hiring / firing of Moore, so perhaps we can't complain that they're actually asking for advice. Smacks of desperation to me. Smacks of the chairman and Dave trying to do everything within their power to stay in the league. It certainly ain't gonna do any harm! I welcome the interaction personally. Companies pay good money to canvas their customer base. I think they'd be daft not to use datm! |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 13, 2024 14:44:44 GMT 1
Smacks of desperation to me. Smacks of the chairman and Dave trying to do everything within their power to stay in the league. It certainly ain't gonna do any harm! I welcome the interaction personally. Companies pay good money to canvas their customer base. I think they'd be daft not to use datm! Totally agree. It’s a communication channel that surely no other club have got. |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 13, 2024 14:45:55 GMT 1
The fact it’s taken somebody who is incredibly close to the club to come on DATM to ask just goes to show how badly this club is run. People say the club has a bright future? To not be able to create basic marketing offers/scenarios is frightening. How can a self made millionaire/billionaire not think of this stuff? Mate? the guy is just trying to help He's not having a go at him. |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 13, 2024 14:47:00 GMT 1
Personally as someone mentioned earlier packing the place full of school kids is not the answer in the short term. How about contacting those who have in the past had a ST and offer them a freebie ? Loads of regulars have found other things to do I feel, including myself. Offering every ST holder who turns up a free pie n a pint would be a nice gesture as well (loads don't go despite paying)reward the loyal. Anyone who can prove they're unemployed, let them in for nowt. I'm away most weekends loving life on the east coast so I wouldn't take up any offers I'm afraid. I still love them from a distance though UTT Not offering a pie and a pint would be more of an incentive |
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Post by Randy Watson on Apr 13, 2024 14:50:44 GMT 1
Personally as someone mentioned earlier packing the place full of school kids is not the answer in the short term. How about contacting those who have in the past had a ST and offer them a freebie ? Loads of regulars have found other things to do I feel, including myself. Offering every ST holder who turns up a free pie n a pint would be a nice gesture as well (loads don't go despite paying)reward the loyal. Anyone who can prove they're unemployed, let them in for nowt. I'm away most weekends loving life on the east coast so I wouldn't take up any offers I'm afraid. I still love them from a distance though UTT Not offering a pie and a pint would be more of an incentive Predictable reply |
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Post by Randy Watson on Apr 13, 2024 14:51:39 GMT 1
Mate? the guy is just trying to help He's not having a go at him. Oh he is |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 13, 2024 14:56:42 GMT 1
Fans: the club never communicate! Club: hey fans, what do you want to see happen to help you all support the club? Fans: f**k off, surely you paying people to tell you what we want! Show me where I've said the club never communicate. I'll wait. |
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Post by mids on Apr 13, 2024 15:06:05 GMT 1
We’ve not been good enough as fans either Id absolutely dispute this statement. Id say as a fan base since we came down from the Premier League we've been incredibly patient ans understanding as fan base. Not including this season, since we got relegated from the Premier League we've - Finishes 18th, 20th, 3rd, 18th - Been knocked out of the FA Cup in the first round we've entered 3 out of the 4 seasons - Been knocked out of the League Cup in first round we've entered in 3 out of the 4 seasons - Had a minus goal difference in 3 out of the last 4 seasons - Had 3 separate owners of the club - Had 12 different managers in charge of the squad - Seen 100s of millions on pounds wasted on players who were, on the whole absolutely shite Yet in these seasons we've averaged 18k, 17.5k,and 19.k attendances. We've heard very little in way of disgruntledness from the stands and on the whole I think the atmosphere has generally been fairly decent. The Club have been very lucky so many have stuck with it for so long as many other clubs would have suffered dogs abuse going through what we have over the past 5 seasons. To call the fans out for not being good enough os just wrong IMO. All fair comments, and it has been shite. But the ground is quiet, apart from when we score, and for a few minutes afterwards. Not sure how that changes going forward. Perhaps we fans, as a whole, have to become proactive from kick off, rather than reactive. Maybe that's what bigtruck meant as "not good enough". |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 13, 2024 15:12:51 GMT 1
We start winning more than we lose/draw and the ground will fill itself.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 13, 2024 15:15:05 GMT 1
He's not having a go at him. Oh he is He's having a go at the club |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 13, 2024 15:16:19 GMT 1
Not offering a pie and a pint would be more of an incentive Predictable reply Maybe if you were at the ground rather than on the coast you'd know why you got that reply |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 13, 2024 15:21:56 GMT 1
Fans: the club never communicate! Club: hey fans, what do you want to see happen to help you all support the club? Fans: f**k off, surely you paying people to tell you what we want! Show me where I've said the club never communicate. I'll wait. Not having a pop at you, mate! Just in general… |
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Post by Randy Watson on Apr 13, 2024 15:31:46 GMT 1
Maybe if you were at the ground rather than on the coast you'd know why you got that reply 30 consecutive years as a season ticket holder. I just don't feel the need to be there every home game now. We made a lifestyle choice and I'm happy as Larry thank you very much. The East coast is wonderful |
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Post by bigtruck on Apr 13, 2024 15:32:04 GMT 1
Id absolutely dispute this statement. Id say as a fan base since we came down from the Premier League we've been incredibly patient ans understanding as fan base. Not including this season, since we got relegated from the Premier League we've - Finishes 18th, 20th, 3rd, 18th - Been knocked out of the FA Cup in the first round we've entered 3 out of the 4 seasons - Been knocked out of the League Cup in first round we've entered in 3 out of the 4 seasons - Had a minus goal difference in 3 out of the last 4 seasons - Had 3 separate owners of the club - Had 12 different managers in charge of the squad - Seen 100s of millions on pounds wasted on players who were, on the whole absolutely shite Yet in these seasons we've averaged 18k, 17.5k,and 19.k attendances. We've heard very little in way of disgruntledness from the stands and on the whole I think the atmosphere has generally been fairly decent. The Club have been very lucky so many have stuck with it for so long as many other clubs would have suffered dogs abuse going through what we have over the past 5 seasons. To call the fans out for not being good enough os just wrong IMO. All fair comments, and it has been shite. But the ground is quiet, apart from when we score, and for a few minutes afterwards. Not sure how that changes going forward. Perhaps we fans, as a whole, have to become proactive from kick off, rather than reactive. Maybe that's what bigtruck meant as "not good enough". Yes sorry that’s pretty much exactly what I meant. (Thanks mum) 😉 |
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Post by Randy Watson on Apr 13, 2024 15:33:13 GMT 1
Maybe if you were at the ground rather than on the coast you'd know why you got that reply I remember when the stadium opened you could get a slice of pizza in the Kilner |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Apr 13, 2024 18:35:03 GMT 1
Id absolutely dispute this statement. Id say as a fan base since we came down from the Premier League we've been incredibly patient ans understanding as fan base. Not including this season, since we got relegated from the Premier League we've - Finishes 18th, 20th, 3rd, 18th - Been knocked out of the FA Cup in the first round we've entered 3 out of the 4 seasons - Been knocked out of the League Cup in first round we've entered in 3 out of the 4 seasons - Had a minus goal difference in 3 out of the last 4 seasons - Had 3 separate owners of the club - Had 12 different managers in charge of the squad - Seen 100s of millions on pounds wasted on players who were, on the whole absolutely shite Yet in these seasons we've averaged 18k, 17.5k,and 19.k attendances. We've heard very little in way of disgruntledness from the stands and on the whole I think the atmosphere has generally been fairly decent. The Club have been very lucky so many have stuck with it for so long as many other clubs would have suffered dogs abuse going through what we have over the past 5 seasons. To call the fans out for not being good enough os just wrong IMO. All fair comments, and it has been shite. But the ground is quiet, apart from when we score, and for a few minutes afterwards. Not sure how that changes going forward. Perhaps we fans, as a whole, have to become proactive from kick off, rather than reactive. Maybe that's what bigtruck meant as "not good enough". Certain sections try thier best on a weekly basis. Only so much you can do though when the football on display is continually as bad as it has been. |
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Post by mids on Apr 13, 2024 18:40:19 GMT 1
Need to change some mindsets then don't we all. It's too easy to blame the on-field performance for fans to be so quiet each and every week. Set the standard.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 13, 2024 20:38:00 GMT 1
It’s a wonderfully symbiotic relationship.
Sadly, it’s hard to euphorically start a conga when you’re watching your entire midfield unable to pass the ball 5 yards to a fellow Town player.
Equally, it’s hard for a player to try express themself when they could hear a pin drop and the slightest error brings a torrent of abuse.
I don’t know what the answer is, but one will not elevate itself without the other.
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