|
|
Post by mosher on Apr 22, 2024 10:27:16 GMT 1
Think we'll have a pretty big clear out. Id expect a new manager too...no loss there from what Breittenreiter has done here. In his 11 games hes averaged 0.9 points a game...the same as Moore got, both only marginally worse than the 1 point per game Warnock got ( thanks largely to having the easiest fixture of the season in Rotherham at home ) Ive not seen anything in the performances or tactics that make me think it's better than it was under Moore either. Just shows how hard it is to pick a successful manager. His CV was so impressive..after Watford everything pointed to us staying up comfortably... but no, hes been an abject failure like the previous two permanent managers this season.The club needs a re-set. From 2017 and our promotion to the PL it's been a club thats used to losing way more often than not, barring that one season where everything seemed to go right for once..until Wembley. For this group losing is now a habit..it's like theyve forgotten how to win. they dont know how to.Even if we take the lead in a game we are in top of, we'll find a way to not win it. The only way we'd have scored yesterday was if a Swansea player sliced it into his own net. And even then, there'd have been a Town player on the goal line to accidentally clear it. A season ( hopefully just the one) in league 1 might turn that around. At a weaker level, allow us to get a group of players together who get used to winning and take that mentality back up into this division with them. We might look back in 3 years and see this relegation as being a good thing, you never know. Ever the optimist!  But if I could Id renew tomorrow. In terms of what I like to do with my Saturdays every other week, it makes no real difference whether Im watching us play Orient or Cardiff. And the connection between all three managers is the shit players they've been given, the horrendous injuries they've all (to an extent) had to contend with and the utter spinelessness the players show in the manner of their capitulations. I think AB is the least of the on-field problems personally. |
|
|
|
Me done
Apr 22, 2024 10:40:15 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 22, 2024 10:40:15 GMT 1
It will stand on the price for season cards they set if we go down.
Purely on price for many.
Going back and working out the price in relation to past seasons wont sway many simply because its 'now' and the fear factor both very real for so many and partly contrived financial crisis is strong.
Should we stay up, promises about spending may again not convince many, especially if their is a large price increase.
Whichever scenario occurs the Town owner and others need to be incredibly careful how they aim to 'move on'.
|
|
|
|
Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 22, 2024 10:52:15 GMT 1
If they put prices up and we go down expect less then 10,000 there weekly Mr Nagle and co.
|
|
|
|
Post by andyeastleake on Apr 22, 2024 10:53:09 GMT 1
Some folk have a different idea of supporting a club than me. TBF & me.... ....however some football clubs have a different idea of how to treat loyal supporters than me (Hi Dean). Perhaps they are reaping what they've sown. |
|
|
|
Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 11:31:51 GMT 1
Crowds will certainly be smaller next season.
However nothing brings crowds like winning. I’m depressed about it now but if we could nail League One as Champions and even a trip to Wembley in that shite cup could be a positive long term.
Certainly doesn’t feel like that now and there will be a few empty seats round me.
|
|
|
|
Post by sabailand on Apr 22, 2024 11:38:04 GMT 1
Crowds will certainly be smaller next season. However nothing brings crowds like winning. I’m depressed about it now but if we could nail League One as Champions and even a trip to Wembley in that shite cup could be a positive long term. Certainly doesn’t feel like that now and there will be a few empty seats round me. Yep, irrespective of division, if we were in the division below but had a genuine promotion push the crowds would come. |
|
|
|
Post by huddshroom on Apr 22, 2024 11:39:40 GMT 1
After 62 years supporting that is me finished Today was the " Straw that broke my back " So no way am I attending v Brum No way am I renewing AT 77 years old I have called it a day after that disgraceful display today I wish the club well in Div 1 but I will not be there You'll be there following Town next season, just like the rest of us suckers. My dad's not been renewing for the past 30 years |
|
ram
Andy Booth Terrier
delete account
Posts: 3,712 
|
Me done
Apr 22, 2024 11:57:21 GMT 1
Post by ram on Apr 22, 2024 11:57:21 GMT 1
I for one am interested to see what Mr. Nagle will do if and when the curtain closes on this very poor season.We can only hope.  |
|
|
|
Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 12:03:29 GMT 1
Personally i’m not too bothered about the price of season tickets, i’ll buy the same number regardless. I just want to know we are going full on to get out of that shit league first time.
|
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,610
|
Post by goodbet on Apr 22, 2024 12:17:26 GMT 1
Making the right decision would be a step in the right direction  No matter how much we spent we did not strengthen the team or the squad, we would have been better off keeping the players we got shut of. When we put someone who has been away from UK football for years in charge, we can all now see what we got. This has been a long, slow, painful decent, let's hope that we start building again sometime soon. I think it's too easy to blame Cartwright for everything. Hes become the new fall guy..we need someone to blame and its him. Just because decisions didnt work out, it doesnt mean they werent reasonable decisions at the time they were made. And I think that applies to most of things that have let us down. Keeping warnock to see us through the summer and into the season...appointing Moore, Appointing Breitenreiter ,,buying the 3 players we did in January , loaning the highly rated matos. All those decisions had logic behind them and were reasonable...yet all have to one degree or another been a total flop. I dont know, its just become a repetitive thing that whatever we do, however reasonable and logical it is, even how ambitious it is thinking about the money we spent in January..it just doesnt work out for whatever reason. If Cartwright needs replacing, then he needs replacing...but hopefully its with someone who's luckier...because I swear thats the biggest factor in whether decisions and choices are a success or not. All transfers have a bit of luck associated with them, but maybe when you have someone who has been in the USA for years and is a bit out of touch with Championship football making those decisions, luck is something that you have just thrown away. The improvement in the standard of Championship players and the fact that £1M does not buy you Championship ready players anymore appears to have bypassed our decision makers. We did not address some of our weaknesses in the transfer market that has not helped us and where we did by buying 2 strikers they they are not up to starting games. We have not been in a position where reasonable transfers would do, we needed something exceptional or at the very least some good ones. Listening to some on here we need time for our managers to bed in, I say we will be in League 2 before this lot get up to speed. |
|
|
|
Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 22, 2024 14:28:54 GMT 1
Crowds will certainly be smaller next season. However nothing brings crowds like winning. I’m depressed about it now but if we could nail League One as Champions and even a trip to Wembley in that shite cup could be a positive long term. Certainly doesn’t feel like that now and there will be a few empty seats round me. Games I never attend. Friendlies Papa Smurf cup |
|
|
|
Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 14:34:24 GMT 1
Crowds will certainly be smaller next season. However nothing brings crowds like winning. I’m depressed about it now but if we could nail League One as Champions and even a trip to Wembley in that shite cup could be a positive long term. Certainly doesn’t feel like that now and there will be a few empty seats round me. Games I never attend. Friendlies Papa Smurf cup I’m with you with friendlies, cannot stand them. |
|
|
|
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 22, 2024 14:37:39 GMT 1
Some folk have a different idea of supporting a club than me. TBF & me.... ....however some football clubs have a different idea of how to treat loyal supporters than me (Hi Dean). Perhaps they are reaping what they've sown. Have loyal town fans been treated badly? 12 seasons out of bottom two divisions, two in top division, got knows him many internationals playing for us, and being charged half the going rate through most of it. The really loyal ones got to watch us in PL for £100. It was the loyal fans in the 70s , late 80s , early naughties who suffered. They’d be gobsmacked if anyone’s saying the last dozen seasons have been crap. |
|
|
|
Post by turbo2 on Apr 22, 2024 14:42:56 GMT 1
TBF & me.... ....however some football clubs have a different idea of how to treat loyal supporters than me (Hi Dean). Perhaps they are reaping what they've sown. Have loyal town fans been treated badly? 12 seasons out of bottom two divisions, two in top division, got knows him many internationals playing for us, and being charged half the going rate through most of it. The really loyal ones got to watch us in PL for £100. It was the loyal fans in the 70s , late 80s , early naughties who suffered. They’d be gobsmacked if anyone’s saying the last dozen seasons have been crap. We’ve been let down by the hierarchy on our approach to running a championship club. It’s been amateur since the day DW got us promoted. |
|
|
|
Me done
Apr 22, 2024 16:50:40 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by royrace on Apr 22, 2024 16:50:40 GMT 1
I think it's too easy to blame Cartwright for everything. Hes become the new fall guy..we need someone to blame and its him. Just because decisions didnt work out, it doesnt mean they werent reasonable decisions at the time they were made. And I think that applies to most of things that have let us down. Keeping warnock to see us through the summer and into the season...appointing Moore, Appointing Breitenreiter ,,buying the 3 players we did in January , loaning the highly rated matos. All those decisions had logic behind them and were reasonable...yet all have to one degree or another been a total flop. I dont know, its just become a repetitive thing that whatever we do, however reasonable and logical it is, even how ambitious it is thinking about the money we spent in January..it just doesnt work out for whatever reason. If Cartwright needs replacing, then he needs replacing...but hopefully its with someone who's luckier...because I swear thats the biggest factor in whether decisions and choices are a success or not. All transfers have a bit of luck associated with them, but maybe when you have someone who has been in the USA for years and is a bit out of touch with Championship football making those decisions, luck is something that you have just thrown away. The improvement in the standard of Championship players and the fact that £1M does not buy you Championship ready players anymore appears to have bypassed our decision makers. We did not address some of our weaknesses in the transfer market that has not helped us and where we did by buying 2 strikers they they are not up to starting games. We have not been in a position where reasonable transfers would do, we needed something exceptional or at the very least some good ones. Listening to some on here we need time for our managers to bed in, I say we will be in League 2 before this lot get up to speed. It's not bad luck it's hiring poor or mediocre staff. Nagle did this, two blokes be knew from the USL with tenuous links to the English game who presumably fancied moving home. There's a reason they worked in the USL and it's not because they were at the top of their profession. Brentford, Brighton, Coventry, Luton, Ipswich all examples of well run clubs. It's not luck, it's having an intelligent plan and it's not easy. You can't just expect an ex agent who's been consulting in the USL to come in and build something special. As it happens he's massively under achieved and got every single major decision wrong. That's why we're going down. Luck my arse. |
|
|
|
Post by andyeastleake on Apr 22, 2024 17:10:07 GMT 1
TBF & me.... ....however some football clubs have a different idea of how to treat loyal supporters than me (Hi Dean). Perhaps they are reaping what they've sown. Have loyal town fans been treated badly? 12 seasons out of bottom two divisions, two in top division, got knows him many internationals playing for us, and being charged half the going rate through most of it. The really loyal ones got to watch us in PL for £100. It was the loyal fans in the 70s , late 80s , early naughties who suffered. They’d be gobsmacked if anyone’s saying the last dozen seasons have been crap. Captain, I'd regard the most loyal Town fans as those that travel regularly home and away. From your posts I suspect you don't really fall in that category compared to many (no criticism implied each to their own). I believe the policy DH introduced mid season in early 2022 treated those fans very badly and was handled in a disgusting fashion (& TBF to you, IIRC you questioned the policy). I was a season ticket holder (via Parents TBF) from 1970 to c. 1978 (when I started selling programmes to get free entry). When I went to university and a few years after I paid on the day. I've had a season ticket (despite living many miles from Huddesfield the majority of the time) from c. 1986 to now. Hence I think I've got the periods you quote firmly covered. I didn't (and wouldn't) say the last 12 years have been crap, but I firmly believe some loyal supporters were treated f*****g badly by DH in 2022. Personally, it changed my view of Town. Before that I thought I supported a club representing the community. Now I think I support a rich man's plaything (and it isn't as rewarding). |
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,610
|
Me done
Apr 22, 2024 17:30:35 GMT 1
Post by goodbet on Apr 22, 2024 17:30:35 GMT 1
All transfers have a bit of luck associated with them, but maybe when you have someone who has been in the USA for years and is a bit out of touch with Championship football making those decisions, luck is something that you have just thrown away. The improvement in the standard of Championship players and the fact that £1M does not buy you Championship ready players anymore appears to have bypassed our decision makers. We did not address some of our weaknesses in the transfer market that has not helped us and where we did by buying 2 strikers they they are not up to starting games. We have not been in a position where reasonable transfers would do, we needed something exceptional or at the very least some good ones. Listening to some on here we need time for our managers to bed in, I say we will be in League 2 before this lot get up to speed. It's not bad luck it's hiring poor or mediocre staff. Nagle did this, two blokes be knew from the USL with tenuous links to the English game who presumably fancied moving home. There's a reason they worked in the USL and it's not because they were at the top of their profession. Brentford, Brighton, Coventry, Luton, Ipswich all examples of well run clubs. It's not luck, it's having an intelligent plan and it's not easy. You can't just expect an ex agent who's been consulting in the USL to come in and build something special. As it happens he's massively under achieved and got every single major decision wrong. That's why we're going down. Luck my arse. Read what I wrote and you will see that we do not disagree. |
|
|
|
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 22, 2024 17:41:30 GMT 1
Crowds will certainly be smaller next season. However nothing brings crowds like winning. I’m depressed about it now but if we could nail League One as Champions and even a trip to Wembley in that shite cup could be a positive long term. Certainly doesn’t feel like that now and there will be a few empty seats round me. Yep, irrespective of division, if we were in the division below but had a genuine promotion push the crowds would come. We had 12k against MK Dons in a play off semi 2nd leg, with a 2 goal lead?  ?? The championship is just different and better. We do need to be here, really we do. |
|
|
|
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 22, 2024 17:46:13 GMT 1
TBF & me.... ....however some football clubs have a different idea of how to treat loyal supporters than me (Hi Dean). Perhaps they are reaping what they've sown. Have loyal town fans been treated badly? 12 seasons out of bottom two divisions, two in top division, got knows him many internationals playing for us, and being charged half the going rate through most of it. The really loyal ones got to watch us in PL for £100. It was the loyal fans in the 70s , late 80s , early naughties who suffered. They’d be gobsmacked if anyone’s saying the last dozen seasons have been crap. Its not that they have been crap, the money says they should have been better??? We 'deserve' only what we get as paying punters. You can decide not to punt anymore? If the expectation never truly rises Im not sure the success happens.. The odd promotion followed by abject failures is wearing thin, perhaps? |
|
|
|
Me done
Apr 22, 2024 17:54:16 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by turbo2 on Apr 22, 2024 17:54:16 GMT 1
Yep, irrespective of division, if we were in the division below but had a genuine promotion push the crowds would come. We had 12k against MK Dons in a play off semi 2nd leg, with a 2 goal lead? ?? The championship is just different and better. We do need to be here, really we do. 15k but hey ho. At least when they counted that night the 15,000 were in the ground |
|
|
|
Me done
Apr 22, 2024 19:43:17 GMT 1
via mobile
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 22, 2024 19:43:17 GMT 1
We had 12k against MK Dons in a play off semi 2nd leg, with a 2 goal lead? ?? The championship is just different and better. We do need to be here, really we do. 15k but hey ho. At least when they counted that night the 15,000 were in the ground Minus the away support.. We did ok for support away from home that season but home was mehh.. A 2 0 lead really should have drawn more. The first division next year minus pompey and bolton could be pretty dull, crowds wise? |
|
|
|
Post by terrierneil on Apr 22, 2024 19:55:52 GMT 1
Only a law change to allowing beer in the stands would entice me back now.
I cant watch us anymore without a drink.
|
|
??