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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 29, 2024 12:32:36 GMT 1
The first thing that needs to happen is a merge of this fecking thread, with one of the other ones since Saturday… 😂
From what I’ve read across the weekend, the fall out has been nowhere near as toxic as it could have been, which might be a little worrying in itself…
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 29, 2024 12:36:57 GMT 1
The first thing that needs to happen is a merge of this fecking thread, with one of the other ones since Saturday… 😂 From what I’ve read across the weekend, the fall out has been nowhere near as toxic as it could have been, which might be a little worrying in itself… A lot of fans like myself were resigned to relegation from early on when Warnock left and we appointed Moore. Might be why. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 29, 2024 12:40:08 GMT 1
The first thing that needs to happen is a merge of this fecking thread, with one of the other ones since Saturday… 😂 From what I’ve read across the weekend, the fall out has been nowhere near as toxic as it could have been, which might be a little worrying in itself… It hasn't been toxic and it could be apathy or could be we have a fanbase that wants to be constructive and challenge those in charge in the same way. I think toxicity needs to be reserved for those with malicious intent (eg what apparently happened at Bury) we need to challenge Mr Nagle and his team to be better. That means asking difficult questions and being critical but also looking to the wider good for the club. I don't think Mr Nagle realises how fortunate he is with the fanbase he has inherited. Sure there will be some unpleasant stuff but the most just want to see something better. Start delivering something better and those for who apathy has currently set in may take interest again. |
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Post by Metch on Apr 29, 2024 12:44:31 GMT 1
A bit of a joke thread this but fwiw, you don't throw babies out with the bath water. Headley and Jones are much better players than there recent outings suggest. Iorpenda is very promising, we'll need these players next year.
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 29, 2024 12:53:53 GMT 1
A bit of a joke thread this but fwiw, you don't throw babies out with the bath water. Headley and Jones are much better players than there recent outings suggest. Iorpenda is very promising, we'll need these players next year. Headley needs a senior player to take him under his wing. He's looked lost of late. Jones is a player who blows hot and cold. Very hot against Coventry, where he changed the game and deserved more than to be on the losing side, cold in others. He's a winger; they do that. He has this coming season to overcome injuries and find form for me, and if he can do that he's the hot prospect. Iorpenda is 18. Loads of time on his side. He needs a loan though. I don't want him to be under the pressure of being in our first-team squad while it finds its feet; he needs to be somewhere a division or two down, where he plays every week and gets to grips with men's football - rather like Jack Hunt at Grays and Chesterfield once upon a time. If it's 6 months because he does brilliantly and looks ready for the first team - great. If it's a year because he needs a bit more time, or we're doing well enough to not have to rely on kids in the second half of the season, then also great. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 29, 2024 12:55:29 GMT 1
Whats needed first is a proper performance on Saturday. Didnt say a result, a proper performance. The rest then is down to the owner to sort out this mess from the top down. Getting rid of contracted players is always an issue. Trying to keep the 2 or 3 that we want to keep but may attract interest is another issue for the owner. The manager situation is down to him and the owner. I do think Kevin will side with a manager who tells it like it is, its not a popular thing in English football but Americans like it.Once we know who we want to stay are staying that will be evidence of the clubs ambitions. Its only a few but it might be the spine next year. not sure why you think that. Yanks love a brown-nosing yes man and i speak from many years experience of seeing those type progress Brown nosers who get success on the pitch are very welcome here. A brown noser in a football club losing him money and status, probably not. I think Andre is right about too many players here and was right to say so. 13 games where we could see definite raising of work rate and togetherness and I would be looking harder at his selections(which mostly must have been made on injuries or application in training or simply being a twat in training etc). Too many managers have been uñable to get a tune out of this squad, for long enough. |
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 29, 2024 12:58:45 GMT 1
Looking at the squad listed is probably why there will be dramatic drop in season ticket holders, fans are sick to the back teeth of these players they seem to have been around for ever and will they be better a league lower?, probably not!!. The sooner their contracts are up the better, we are in the same boat as the prem relegation season, stuck with players who have that losing mentality.
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Post by 747max on Apr 29, 2024 13:21:10 GMT 1
so after this awful season on the pitch I am trying to work out what is needed to be done now to get the club into a postion to bounce back at the first attempt. This summer will be huge and potentially even more difficult for Mr Nagle and his team than last summer. In no order I am thinking below. - Quickly confirm if AB is staying or not (personally I would prefer he stays) - Quickly appoint a new manager if AB is leaving - Set the budgets early for recruitment, including how much of transfer income can be re spent. - Decide now who we want to keep, who needs a new contract and have it sorted early - work out our style of play and formation and then work out what players are required to fit that formation. - Plan a more intense pre season to get the players fitness to the level required. - get rid of the bad eggs as soon as possible. - Get the players we expect to want to leave out of the door for good money as fast as possible. - Season tickets announce the pricing, I am going to suggest something new now I would make a guarantee to anyone buying for next season that they have the prices set for the next 3 seasons with agreed increases say 5% this season (£314), 5% next season (£330) and 5% following season (£346) and anyone not purchasing next season will pay far more next season than the agreed amounts, I would even say fix this seasons prices for next and then guaranteed pricing for two seasons after, something that encourages the fans to purchase next season a longer term incentive. - Try to resolve the stadium issues and if we can get this sorted this summer then there is less to think about off the pitch. I expect a base squad something like the below, with 4 or 5 additions. Maxwell Chapman Ruffles Pearson Headley Spencer Turton Jackson Lees Ayina Hogg (offer 1 year) Koroma Kasumu Wiles Jones High Austerfield Iorpenda Ward Healey Simpson Release or Sell Nicholls (if good money, if not happy for him to stay) Helik (need to get the correct money however 3mil +) Edwards Balker (can we get money back for him, I doubt he will want to stay) Yuta (I can not see him wanting to stay, and wages would be an issue if he is fit and takes a reduction in wages then fine to stay on) Rudoni (if the right money then let him go, if not he would be class in L1) Diarra (let the waste of space leave, let another club have his problems) Sorba (as above let another club have his attitude, still worth good money but he needs to go whatever) Matos Mahoney Rowe Del (thanks but no thanks) Bojan ( I would try and sell him I think he would be bullied even more in L1) Rhodes (I am sure he is out of contract, I think its time to say goodbye) Harratt (lad has issues better we dont have to deal with them) Hudlin (L2 at best let him go) I don't post on here very often because I'm not very good at it... Maybe your the same, I'm not sure but you do post some shite on here and some very obvious points (opinions) time and again. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 29, 2024 13:28:33 GMT 1
Hopefully somebody has been tasked to do an in depth analysis of the promoted teams from League 1 over the last 3 years.
Style of play, squad valuation, squad age, squad make up, wage structure, experience of players etc, etc… then we see how we measure up and go from there.
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Post by Sparrow on Apr 29, 2024 13:52:08 GMT 1
@castlehiterrier
Can you clarify what you mean by the below?
Diarra (let the waste of space leave, let another club have his problems)
I know he's been crap this season and out of the squad of late, but I believe you've suggested before that he's "Not interested"
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Post by castlehillterrier on Apr 29, 2024 13:59:18 GMT 1
@castlehiterrier Can you clarify what you mean by the below? Diarra (let the waste of space leave, let another club have his problems) I know he's been crap this season and out of the squad of late, but I believe you've suggested before that he's "Not interested" players who are interested, do not do what Diarra has done. |
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Post by Sparrow on Apr 29, 2024 14:00:31 GMT 1
@castlehiterrier Can you clarify what you mean by the below? Diarra (let the waste of space leave, let another club have his problems) I know he's been crap this season and out of the squad of late, but I believe you've suggested before that he's "Not interested" players who are interested, do not do what Diarra has done. Which is? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 14:26:35 GMT 1
players who are interested, do not do what Diarra has done. Which is? Oooh, he’s such a tease 😉 |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Apr 29, 2024 14:32:47 GMT 1
Oooh, he’s such a tease 😉 actually I take it back, to do something you need to turn up first........... |
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Post by Sparrow on Apr 29, 2024 14:39:30 GMT 1
Oooh, he’s such a tease 😉 actually I take it back, to do something you need to turn up first........... What on earth are you talking about? |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 29, 2024 14:42:10 GMT 1
actually I take it back, to do something you need to turn up first........... What on earth are you talking about? Sounds like Diarra has gone AWOL? |
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Post by andyboothscat on Apr 29, 2024 14:49:29 GMT 1
What on earth are you talking about? Sounds like Diarra has gone AWOL He's not gone far as was signing autographs in the fanzone last week. |
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 29, 2024 15:01:41 GMT 1
Most of your post was waffle as usual but I’m quoting this bit because your ‘suggestion’ will bomb season card sales. Any price rise will have a hugely negative impact on how many will renew, even if they freeze prices I think there will be a huge drop. When you sat in the directors seats on Saturday, did you not notice how many empty seats there was in the Kilner bank for a game of that magnitude? I watched the highlights, go watch them and see just how many empty seats there was in the main stand. Alarming. It's more alarming to see the likes of Tyreece Simpson, Scott High and Josh Austerfield on his list of players to keep. Put prices up to watch a squad consisting of Scott High, Tyreece Simpson and Austerfield who’ve done absolutely nothing in various loan spells across the Scottish Leagues and League 2 !!! Absolutely puddled !!! |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 15:06:49 GMT 1
It's more alarming to see the likes of Tyreece Simpson, Scott High and Josh Austerfield on his list of players to keep. Put prices up to watch a squad consisting of Scott High, Tyreece Simpson and Austerfield who’ve done absolutely nothing in various loan spells across the Scottish Leagues and League 2 !!! Absolutely puddled !!! Some will still insist that they'll come good. |
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Apr 29, 2024 15:34:02 GMT 1
A bit of a joke thread this but fwiw, you don't throw babies out with the bath water. Headley and Jones are much better players than there recent outings suggest. Iorpenda is very promising, we'll need these players next year. Headley needs a senior player to take him under his wing. He's looked lost of late. Jones is a player who blows hot and cold. Very hot against Coventry, where he changed the game and deserved more than to be on the losing side, cold in others. He's a winger; they do that. He has this coming season to overcome injuries and find form for me, and if he can do that he's the hot prospect. Iorpenda is 18. Loads of time on his side. He needs a loan though. I don't want him to be under the pressure of being in our first-team squad while it finds its feet; he needs to be somewhere a division or two down, where he plays every week and gets to grips with men's football - rather like Jack Hunt at Grays and Chesterfield once upon a time. If it's 6 months because he does brilliantly and looks ready for the first team - great. If it's a year because he needs a bit more time, or we're doing well enough to not have to rely on kids in the second half of the season, then also great. Send out our players to Motherwell, they did well for Spencer, in fact get the Motherwell staff to us. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 16:41:16 GMT 1
Most of your post was waffle as usual but I’m quoting this bit because your ‘suggestion’ will bomb season card sales. Any price rise will have a hugely negative impact on how many will renew, even if they freeze prices I think there will be a huge drop. When you sat in the directors seats on Saturday, did you not notice how many empty seats there was in the Kilner bank for a game of that magnitude? I watched the highlights, go watch them and see just how many empty seats there was in the main stand. Alarming. It's more alarming to see the likes of Tyreece Simpson, Scott High and Josh Austerfield on his list of players to keep. Aren’t they under contract already for next season? The club can’t bin them. They might try to get loans or see if other clubs want them but they can’t just dump them. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 16:43:43 GMT 1
It's more alarming to see the likes of Tyreece Simpson, Scott High and Josh Austerfield on his list of players to keep. Aren’t they under contract already for next season? The club can’t bin them. They might try to get loans or see if other clubs want them but they can’t just dump them. They could do. I remember Lee Clark paying a few players off in the very early days of Dean Hoyle. David Unsworth and Chris Lucketti are two that spring to mind, though admittedly they didn't have a year to run. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 29, 2024 16:45:50 GMT 1
Aren’t they under contract already for next season? The club can’t bin them. They might try to get loans or see if other clubs want them but they can’t just dump them. They could do. I remember Lee Clark paying a few players off in the very early days of Dean Hoyle. David Unsworth and Chris Lucketti are two that spring to mind, though admittedly they didn't have a year to run. Scott High Jesus 🫣 |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 29, 2024 17:05:40 GMT 1
Most of your post was waffle as usual but I’m quoting this bit because your ‘suggestion’ will bomb season card sales. Any price rise will have a hugely negative impact on how many will renew, even if they freeze prices I think there will be a huge drop. When you sat in the directors seats on Saturday, did you not notice how many empty seats there was in the Kilner bank for a game of that magnitude? I watched the highlights, go watch them and see just how many empty seats there was in the main stand. Alarming. It's more alarming to see the likes of Tyreece Simpson, Scott High and Josh Austerfield on his list of players to keep. And even more alarming to be wanting rid of Radulovic, Rudoni and some others. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 29, 2024 17:08:15 GMT 1
The first thing that needs to happen is a merge of this fecking thread, with one of the other ones since Saturday… 😂 From what I’ve read across the weekend, the fall out has been nowhere near as toxic as it could have been, which might be a little worrying in itself… I'm actually quite shocked about how well this has been taken by the fanbase, which as you point out, is worrying in itself. I honestly thought it would get a bit angry and toxic Saturday but everyone just streamed out accepting and apathetic. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 17:11:39 GMT 1
The first thing that needs to happen is a merge of this fecking thread, with one of the other ones since Saturday… 😂 From what I’ve read across the weekend, the fall out has been nowhere near as toxic as it could have been, which might be a little worrying in itself… I'm actually quite shocked about how well this has been taken by the fanbase, which as you point out, is worrying in itself. I honestly thought it would get a bit angry and toxic Saturday but everyone just streamed out accepting and apathetic. If they'd performed in the second half how they'd performed in the first half, I think people would have been going mad, but they papered over the cracks by bothering to put some effort in during the second half. This team are good at that. They'll stink the place out but then rescue it with the odd half of putting effort in, or rescued by a last minute goal and the fans go home happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 17:45:07 GMT 1
I'm actually quite shocked about how well this has been taken by the fanbase, which as you point out, is worrying in itself. I honestly thought it would get a bit angry and toxic Saturday but everyone just streamed out accepting and apathetic. If they'd performed in the second half how they'd performed in the first half, I think people would have been going mad, but they papered over the cracks by bothering to put some effort in during the second half. This team are good at that. They'll stink the place out but then rescue it with the odd half of putting effort in, or rescued by a last minute goal and the fans go home happy. Why on earth do you bother going? All you do is moan and whinge, post after post. You are a prolific poster but everything you post is negative. If I felt that way I would just find something else to do. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 18:04:14 GMT 1
If they'd performed in the second half how they'd performed in the first half, I think people would have been going mad, but they papered over the cracks by bothering to put some effort in during the second half. This team are good at that. They'll stink the place out but then rescue it with the odd half of putting effort in, or rescued by a last minute goal and the fans go home happy. Why on earth do you bother going? All you do is moan and whinge, post after post. You are a prolific poster but everything you post is negative. If I felt that way I would just find something else to do. Because I'm a Town fan. Every post isn't negative, that's just what you choose to see. It's actually getting quite tiring now. Apologies if I can't find any positives during a season where we've been relegated. |
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Post by Macduff on Apr 29, 2024 18:06:01 GMT 1
We do need to welease wodderwick
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 29, 2024 18:16:27 GMT 1
Wiles has proven in the past that he is a good player, particularly in league 1. A full pre season behind him and I fully expect him to be better next season. You also can't judge Pat Jones on 1 game. He has come on in the past and played very well. Come off it. Wiles is up ther with the worst signings in the club’s history and Jones has looked further away from a footballer in his last 2 cameos than he ever has previously. Is he fuck. |
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