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Post by thomo on May 14, 2024 11:00:29 GMT 1
Do we need to sell? These players have contracts and if KN and Duff Man are happy with them then why waste money replacing rather than just adding players. I presume Thomas will go for obvious reasons but don’t see why we have to sell the likes of Rudoni, Spencer or even Helik. We could find ourselves being able to recruit from a position of strength but strike a deal similar to Rhodes where they give us until January and if we aren’t in contention we sell then. Nicholls Pearson Helik Balker Pearson CM CM Headley Rudoni Healey Bojan Still gives us Wiles, Kasumu, Jones, Hogg as options. A ball player and defensive midfielder and that team should cruise L1 I'd be gutted to see Spencer go. That'd be a really big kick in the balls. He's our beacon of light at the moment. I can't see us selling unless we get offered silly money (upwards of £4m). Healey is one I'm excited about next season assuming he can stay fit. Would be disappointed to see him sold Would be brilliant to secure Helik and build around him - it'd be a real signal of intent to keep him. Nicholls I'm unsure if he's the same player post the shoulder injury so not overly fussed but think Maxwell is dodgy. I'd be pretty happy to see a new keeper arrive - they say Blackpools latest keeper is pretty good. Would be over the moon if we can bring in £4m for Rudoni and Sorba Hope we can move on Ward, Headley, Jackson and Kasumu as don't think they'll offer anything, maybe even Balker and Wiles as neither can be relied upon. |
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Post by Big Ern on May 14, 2024 11:11:26 GMT 1
Do we need to sell? These players have contracts and if KN and Duff Man are happy with them then why waste money replacing rather than just adding players. I presume Thomas will go for obvious reasons but don’t see why we have to sell the likes of Rudoni, Spencer or even Helik. We could find ourselves being able to recruit from a position of strength but strike a deal similar to Rhodes where they give us until January and if we aren’t in contention we sell then. Nicholls Pearson Helik Balker Pearson CM CM Headley Rudoni Healey Bojan Still gives us Wiles, Kasumu, Jones, Hogg as options. A ball player and defensive midfielder and that team should cruise L1 I'd be gutted to see Spencer go. That'd be a really big kick in the balls. He's our beacon of light at the moment. I can't see us selling unless we get offered silly money (upwards of £4m). Healey is one I'm excited about next season assuming he can stay fit. Would be disappointed to see him sold Would be brilliant to secure Helik and build around him - it'd be a real signal of intent to keep him. Nicholls I'm unsure if he's the same player post the shoulder injury so not overly fussed but think Maxwell is dodgy. I'd be pretty happy to see a new keeper arrive - they say Blackpools latest keeper is pretty good. Would be over the moon if we can bring in £4m for Rudoni and Sorba Hope we can move on Ward, Headley, Jackson and Kasumu as don't think they'll offer anything, maybe even Balker and Wiles as neither can be relied upon. If Headley wasn't one of these so called bad apples I think he would be class for us in league 1. Would be good at wing back in MDs preferred formation. If the club want to make a real statement of intent however I would be working like hell to get Spencer and Helik to sign new contracts. |
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May 14, 2024 11:43:21 GMT 1
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Post by hoggy1975 on May 14, 2024 11:43:21 GMT 1
We need midfielders that can pass the ball. Even if we drop down, I think Kasamu will struggle. If he’s not one of the bad eggs, I’d probably keep him as a back up option at best. However, he does nt have the best injury record.
I’d get rid of headley, koroma, sorba, rudoni and probably a couple more. I think rudoni would be good at this level but he will have his eyes set on a championship club. Will bojan struggle against more physical opposition? It’s hard to tell from what little minutes he played.
I’d keep wiles around and get him a good pre-season and should hopefully play better against less capable players in the league.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on May 14, 2024 11:55:43 GMT 1
there isn’t a cat in hells chance we get 5 million for Sorba, there’s a reason Blackburn didn’t want him full time Still makes me laugh reading people say it now. 1-1.5 absolute max and even that's if people just ignore his off the field antics and just purely read stats that supposedly he created the second most chances in the league. Still don't understand where those come from, must be the amount of corners we took. |
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Post by incognito on May 14, 2024 11:58:39 GMT 1
I'd be reasonably confident of getting our money back from somebody in mainland Europe should we decide Bojan is no longer part of the plan (or we're no longer part of his)
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Post by Terriersmad on May 14, 2024 13:11:10 GMT 1
there isn’t a cat in hells chance we get 5 million for Sorba, there’s a reason Blackburn didn’t want him full time Still makes me laugh reading people say it now. 1-1.5 absolute max and even that's if people just ignore his off the field antics and just purely read stats that supposedly he created the second most chances in the league. Still don't understand where those come from, must be the amount of corners we took. Never do a job requiring negotiation. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on May 14, 2024 13:23:53 GMT 1
Still makes me laugh reading people say it now. 1-1.5 absolute max and even that's if people just ignore his off the field antics and just purely read stats that supposedly he created the second most chances in the league. Still don't understand where those come from, must be the amount of corners we took. Never do a job requiring negotiation. My job is literally negotiation. But isn’t in football so yes I know exactly what I’m doing thank you very much. Just because I can recognise that thomas is worth nowhere near worth the ridiculous fees quoted on here probably illustrates that I’ve a fairly good idea of what value is and what isn’t. Never do negotiation for selling Huddersfield town players who just relegated the club? Agreed definitely not for me. |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 14, 2024 14:37:50 GMT 1
Never do a job requiring negotiation. My job is literally negotiation. But isn’t in football so yes I know exactly what I’m doing thank you very much. Just because I can recognise that thomas is worth nowhere near worth the ridiculous fees quoted on here probably illustrates that I’ve a fairly good idea of what value is and what isn’t.
Never do negotiation for selling Huddersfield town players who just relegated the club? Agreed definitely not for me. How much would you have sold Karlan Grant for? Structure of the deal aside, would you have said he was worth the £16m we got for him? Players will be leaving this summer, for very good money. We thankfully have people able to detach themselves emotionally and negotiate properly at the club. They will have numbers in mind for each and every player. In the modern market, I would be flabbergasted if the initial value on Sorba Thomas' head is less than £3m, limitations and all. £1m is laughable, and I suspect that with Thomas' ego he would also see it as an insult. We spent £500,000 on him as a gamble; he's now a proven player, still young, still with room to improve, but with numbers under his belt that are the envy of many a winger in the division. Value is suppressed by our own relegation and what will likely be his desire to leave, along with the off-the-field issue that saw him out of the team. But a new manager is in place who may have use for him, he has two years on his contract, and unless we get our value he won't be leaving. Current market values for similar players who have moved in recent windows suggests £4m+ (Million Manhoef, Ephron Mason-Clarke, Giorgi Chakvatadze, Allayhyar Sayyadmanesh, none of which were proven in this division, one of which was out of favour before his £2.5m move away and provided a grand total of no goals and no assists) Plus, multiple clubs are already rumoured to be interested. With that background, you think you have a fairly good idea of his value is, and it's £1-1.5m? Clubs spend that on a gamble these days. For a sure thing - which is what Sorba Thomas will be seen as - you're talking about far more. |
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May 14, 2024 14:56:42 GMT 1
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 14, 2024 14:56:42 GMT 1
Take note Town, this is fantastic.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on May 14, 2024 15:43:23 GMT 1
My job is literally negotiation. But isn’t in football so yes I know exactly what I’m doing thank you very much. Just because I can recognise that thomas is worth nowhere near worth the ridiculous fees quoted on here probably illustrates that I’ve a fairly good idea of what value is and what isn’t.
Never do negotiation for selling Huddersfield town players who just relegated the club? Agreed definitely not for me. How much would you have sold Karlan Grant for? Structure of the deal aside, would you have said he was worth the £16m we got for him? Players will be leaving this summer, for very good money. We thankfully have people able to detach themselves emotionally and negotiate properly at the club. They will have numbers in mind for each and every player. In the modern market, I would be flabbergasted if the initial value on Sorba Thomas' head is less than £3m, limitations and all. £1m is laughable, and I suspect that with Thomas' ego he would also see it as an insult. We spent £500,000 on him as a gamble; he's now a proven player, still young, still with room to improve, but with numbers under his belt that are the envy of many a winger in the division. Value is suppressed by our own relegation and what will likely be his desire to leave, along with the off-the-field issue that saw him out of the team. But a new manager is in place who may have use for him, he has two years on his contract, and unless we get our value he won't be leaving. Current market values for similar players who have moved in recent windows suggests £4m+ (Million Manhoef, Ephron Mason-Clarke, Giorgi Chakvatadze, Allayhyar Sayyadmanesh, none of which were proven in this division, one of which was out of favour before his £2.5m move away and provided a grand total of no goals and no assists) Plus, multiple clubs are already rumoured to be interested. With that background, you think you have a fairly good idea of his value is, and it's £1-1.5m? Clubs spend that on a gamble these days. For a sure thing - which is what Sorba Thomas will be seen as - you're talking about far more. I understand what you're saying, i'd just be mortified if we spent anywhere near that on him. At least with Grant (who admittedly I agree again was never worth 16 million that was ridiculously good business and that's not even in hindsight), he had scored 19 goals at Championship level. Thomas is a winger who's scored 7 goals in 3 years, he creates chances from corners and set pieces but his general play, first touch, passing, work rate (tracking back as seen against Swansea) is incredibly limited for this level, so again its only my opinion but I wouldn't call him a sure thing at all. Even his spell at Blackburn ended with him getting dropped. With FFP like it is in the Championship now I just don't expect to see clubs who would want Thomas been able to fork out anything more than 1.5 for him. I hope I am wrong and we get that 3-5 million mark that would be outstanding work. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 14, 2024 15:48:35 GMT 1
Take note Town, this is fantastic. I don't follow. Releasing some youth players is fantastic? Did you mean to post something else? |
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Post by mosher on May 14, 2024 16:01:04 GMT 1
Take note Town, this is fantastic. I don't follow. Releasing some youth players is fantastic? Did you mean to post something else? I think it's just about the level of professionalism and design of the announcement. I'm not really on Town's official site much, but at best I'd describe it as amateurish. That's what I took from the post anyway, could be WAY off the mark, wouldn't be the first time  |
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May 14, 2024 16:18:04 GMT 1
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Post by boooothy on May 14, 2024 16:18:04 GMT 1
Problem with players leaving is ideally you want them gone asap so you know where you are.
Unfortunately that is the complete opposite of what you should do to try maximise any fees.
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May 14, 2024 16:28:58 GMT 1
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 14, 2024 16:28:58 GMT 1
Take note Town, this is fantastic. Looks like Critchlow has been put up for transfer by Posh. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 14, 2024 16:29:44 GMT 1
Take note Town, this is fantastic. I don't follow. Releasing some youth players is fantastic? Did you mean to post something else? Yep apologies, meant this one. |
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May 14, 2024 19:16:51 GMT 1
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Post by rockwall on May 14, 2024 19:16:51 GMT 1
Still makes me laugh reading people say it now. 1-1.5 absolute max and even that's if people just ignore his off the field antics and just purely read stats that supposedly he created the second most chances in the league. Still don't understand where those come from, must be the amount of corners we took. Never do a job requiring negotiation. What do you think he is worth? I would say 1.5 is about correct now. His value has dropped as much as we have over the last 2 years. |
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Post by Big Ern on May 14, 2024 19:19:12 GMT 1
Never do a job requiring negotiation. What do you think he is worth? I would say 1.5 is about correct now. His value has dropped as much as we have over the last 2 years. He is worth around 3 million. We spent a million on Rudoni from Wimbledon and Thomas is proven in the league above. You only have to look at similar transfers to see that he is worth more. |
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Post by keefer on May 14, 2024 20:52:19 GMT 1
How much would you have sold Karlan Grant for? Structure of the deal aside, would you have said he was worth the £16m we got for him? Players will be leaving this summer, for very good money. We thankfully have people able to detach themselves emotionally and negotiate properly at the club. They will have numbers in mind for each and every player. In the modern market, I would be flabbergasted if the initial value on Sorba Thomas' head is less than £3m, limitations and all. £1m is laughable, and I suspect that with Thomas' ego he would also see it as an insult. We spent £500,000 on him as a gamble; he's now a proven player, still young, still with room to improve, but with numbers under his belt that are the envy of many a winger in the division. Value is suppressed by our own relegation and what will likely be his desire to leave, along with the off-the-field issue that saw him out of the team. But a new manager is in place who may have use for him, he has two years on his contract, and unless we get our value he won't be leaving. Current market values for similar players who have moved in recent windows suggests £4m+ (Million Manhoef, Ephron Mason-Clarke, Giorgi Chakvatadze, Allayhyar Sayyadmanesh, none of which were proven in this division, one of which was out of favour before his £2.5m move away and provided a grand total of no goals and no assists) Plus, multiple clubs are already rumoured to be interested. With that background, you think you have a fairly good idea of his value is, and it's £1-1.5m? Clubs spend that on a gamble these days. For a sure thing - which is what Sorba Thomas will be seen as - you're talking about far more. I understand what you're saying, i'd just be mortified if we spent anywhere near that on him. At least with Grant (who admittedly I agree again was never worth 16 million that was ridiculously good business and that's not even in hindsight), he had scored 19 goals at Championship level. Thomas is a winger who's scored 7 goals in 3 years, he creates chances from corners and set pieces but his general play, first touch, passing, work rate (tracking back as seen against Swansea) is incredibly limited for this level, so again its only my opinion but I wouldn't call him a sure thing at all. Even his spell at Blackburn ended with him getting dropped. With FFP like it is in the Championship now I just don't expect to see clubs who would want Thomas been able to fork out anything more than 1.5 for him. I hope I am wrong and we get that 3-5 million mark that would be outstanding work. Thomas worked his bollocks off this season, running himself ragged on numerous occasions and you reference one of the very few games that he didn't or couldn't get back and cover. Did you consider that there are 10 other outfield players on the pitch, were they racing back at every opportunity? You pick one game, when he could have been exhausted from the work he's had to do, covering for the inadequacy of his teammates. Personally I think he would be a big loss to Town, he is a hard working, skilled footballer. So what if he has an ego or gets pissed off with the players around him not applying themselves properly, I would call that a positive attribute |
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May 14, 2024 21:32:57 GMT 1
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Post by oneneilwarnock on May 14, 2024 21:32:57 GMT 1
I understand what you're saying, i'd just be mortified if we spent anywhere near that on him. At least with Grant (who admittedly I agree again was never worth 16 million that was ridiculously good business and that's not even in hindsight), he had scored 19 goals at Championship level. Thomas is a winger who's scored 7 goals in 3 years, he creates chances from corners and set pieces but his general play, first touch, passing, work rate (tracking back as seen against Swansea) is incredibly limited for this level, so again its only my opinion but I wouldn't call him a sure thing at all. Even his spell at Blackburn ended with him getting dropped. With FFP like it is in the Championship now I just don't expect to see clubs who would want Thomas been able to fork out anything more than 1.5 for him. I hope I am wrong and we get that 3-5 million mark that would be outstanding work. Thomas worked his bollocks off this season, running himself ragged on numerous occasions and you reference one of the very few games that he didn't or couldn't get back and cover. Did you consider that there are 10 other outfield players on the pitch, were they racing back at every opportunity? You pick one game, when he could have been exhausted from the work he's had to do, covering for the inadequacy of his teammates. Personally I think he would be a big loss to Town, he is a hard working, skilled footballer. So what if he has an ego or gets pissed off with the players around him not applying themselves properly, I would call that a positive attribute The fact an experienced proper pro like Tom lees pinned him in a changing room tells you all you need to know about Sorba Thomas’s attitude to be honest. |
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Post by King Curtis on May 14, 2024 21:38:48 GMT 1
I don't follow. Releasing some youth players is fantastic? Did you mean to post something else? Yep apologies, meant this one. Straight to the point. I also like it. |
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May 14, 2024 22:00:59 GMT 1
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Post by rockwall on May 14, 2024 22:00:59 GMT 1
What do you think he is worth? I would say 1.5 is about correct now. His value has dropped as much as we have over the last 2 years. He is worth around 3 million. We spent a million on Rudoni from Wimbledon and Thomas is proven in the league above. You only have to look at similar transfers to see that he is worth more. Give over. He isn't actually that good. |
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May 14, 2024 22:05:26 GMT 1
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on May 14, 2024 22:05:26 GMT 1
I understand what you're saying, i'd just be mortified if we spent anywhere near that on him. At least with Grant (who admittedly I agree again was never worth 16 million that was ridiculously good business and that's not even in hindsight), he had scored 19 goals at Championship level. Thomas is a winger who's scored 7 goals in 3 years, he creates chances from corners and set pieces but his general play, first touch, passing, work rate (tracking back as seen against Swansea) is incredibly limited for this level, so again its only my opinion but I wouldn't call him a sure thing at all. Even his spell at Blackburn ended with him getting dropped. With FFP like it is in the Championship now I just don't expect to see clubs who would want Thomas been able to fork out anything more than 1.5 for him. I hope I am wrong and we get that 3-5 million mark that would be outstanding work. Thomas worked his bollocks off this season, running himself ragged on numerous occasions and you reference one of the very few games that he didn't or couldn't get back and cover. Did you consider that there are 10 other outfield players on the pitch, were they racing back at every opportunity? You pick one game, when he could have been exhausted from the work he's had to do, covering for the inadequacy of his teammates. Personally I think he would be a big loss to Town, he is a hard working, skilled footballer. So what if he has an ego or gets pissed off with the players around him not applying themselves properly, I would call that a positive attribute Agree that he ran his bollocks off. Up to the last few games of the season he was driving us forward and putting in the most effort. An occasion away at Preston springs to mind when he won the ball back at the edge of our box, burst through 2 challenges, sprinted up the pitch but then over hit a 10 yard pass to Wiles that would have put him one on one with the keeper. He put the effort in but ultimately from open play doesn’t have the quality needed for the championship. |
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Post by zkterrier on May 15, 2024 12:21:38 GMT 1
there isn’t a cat in hells chance we get 5 million for Sorba, there’s a reason Blackburn didn’t want him full time Still makes me laugh reading people say it now. 1-1.5 absolute max and even that's if people just ignore his off the field antics and just purely read stats that supposedly he created the second most chances in the league. Still don't understand where those come from, must be the amount of corners we took. If you think we're only getting 1.5 mil for Sorba you need to give your head a really hard wobble. He's easily a 4-5 mil player regardless of us going down. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on May 15, 2024 12:23:31 GMT 1
Still makes me laugh reading people say it now. 1-1.5 absolute max and even that's if people just ignore his off the field antics and just purely read stats that supposedly he created the second most chances in the league. Still don't understand where those come from, must be the amount of corners we took. If you think we're only getting 1.5 mil for Sorba you need to give your head a really hard wobble. He's easily a 4-5 mil player regardless of us going down. No chance. His all round game is pretty woeful. Would get found out at any other team, 1-2 max. |
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Post by Wingman on May 15, 2024 13:54:17 GMT 1
I don't follow. Releasing some youth players is fantastic? Did you mean to post something else? Yep apologies, meant this one. Hate Posh but I admit, that is clear cut and concise. We should be doing something similar. But with a large ‘for sale’ list and ‘released’ list. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on May 15, 2024 14:11:41 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas brings goal contributions to the team. The fact is he created more chances (123) than any other championship player bar one (Leif Davis of Ipswich, 125) and more per game played (3.2) than anyone else. That he did that in a shit side who couldn't score in a brothel is not his fault. These stats alone will mean several championship clubs would consider him an asset. We only need two to be interested to drive the price up. I wouldn't accept less than £3.5m plus add ons.
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Post by boooothy on May 15, 2024 14:45:53 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas brings goal contributions to the team. The fact is he created more chances (123) than any other championship player bar one (Leif Davis of Ipswich, 125) and more per game played (3.2) than anyone else. That he did that in a shit side who couldn't score in a brothel is not his fault. These stats alone will mean several championship clubs would consider him an asset. We only need two to be interested to drive the price up. I wouldn't accept less than £3.5m plus add ons. Yeah but he’s got daft hair, that knocks 2 million off according to some. |
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Post by boooothy on May 15, 2024 15:03:51 GMT 1
The other thing that i can never get my head round with Thomas when we say “he just takes a good corner” Like taking a corner is small part of the game, it isn’t.
A good team get 6 to 10 a game. They score from 1 in 20 odd. That’s 10 a season. More than our top scorer.
It surprises me more teams don’t buy at least one player with set pieces as a priority. I’d love one who could take a direct free kick from the edge of the box.
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 15, 2024 15:08:25 GMT 1
The other thing that i can never get my head round with Thomas when we say “he just takes a good corner” Like taking a corner is small part of the game, it isn’t. A good team get 6 to 10 a game. They score from 1 in 20 odd. That’s 10 a season. More than our top scorer. It surprises me more teams don’t buy at least one player with set pieces as a priority. I’d love one who could take a direct free kick from the edge of the box. Statistically, it's 1 in 100. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 15, 2024 15:17:54 GMT 1
The Numbers
A user made a serious analysis with algorithms to test if corner kicks can significantly increase the chance for scoring a goal or not.
To test this, he examined 134 English Premier League (EPL) matches from the 2010/11 season, encompassing 1,434 corners.
The results were eye-opening for many football fans:
Only 20% of corners led to a shot on goal.
A mere 10% of these shots resulted in a goal.
In essence, a minuscule 2% of corners led to a goal.
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