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Post by efesodje23 on May 14, 2024 12:53:21 GMT 1
Let's *potentially* put it this way for Hogg.
He's approaching mid 30's, he lives in Middlesbrough. How happy do you think he might have been when AB brought in two training sessions a day?
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 14, 2024 12:55:46 GMT 1
If Healey stays fit he’ll be leading our line next season you’d suspect, scored a hat full at this level previously and has shown in glimpses we’ve seen him for us that he knows where the net is. 15 goals and 3 assists in the equivalent of around 25 games. You'd think his all round game will have improved since then aswell. |
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Post by twyford on May 14, 2024 13:18:34 GMT 1
Hopefully the retained list will be out by Friday but that may be a bit too soon given this new appointment. It will be an interesting window I think. It has to be done and submitted by Friday so we will definitly know. Not much expected though. Only Rhodes, Nakayama, Diarra and Hogg out of contract. I think. Imagine 1st 3 will be let go, Hogg a year deal. Not sure if he'd want one as, aside a 6 week loan spell at the start of career, he's not played below Championship level but, personally, I wouldn't be offering Hogg a new deal either. As the last remaining player from the PL years he's been a constant in the gradual decline we've experienced over the last 5 years. That's not blaming him for them and certainly his commitment during his 10 years with us is unquestioned by me. Nor do I consider him a 'bad egg' although his increasing tendency to blame others when his errors result in goals conceded can't be particularly helpful in building squad harmony. Assuming his current injury heals then I'm sure he could contribute in L1 even at 35 / 36 but if Nagle is serious in his stated intention to change the club to a winning mindset then that will require significant personnel changes and I believe that needs to start with Jonathan. Not extending his contract would be a, possibly dramatic, statement of intent towards that aim. Of course whether it's a positive statement would depend on who is brought in to replace him. Talk of a player / coaching contract to integrate him into the backroom team and to be a mentor to the younger squad members doesn't work for me either - I don't think they regard him in the same way as say Whitehead and Hudson were. |
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Post by SacTown on May 14, 2024 13:32:37 GMT 1
Hope so ern. cant help but remember a similar thing being said about Mbenza though when we came down from the PL!! To be fair to Mbenza when he played in the Championship he got 5 goals with 8 assists in the equivalent of around 26 games. Whilst it was nothing spectacular he hardly stunk the league out. As for Healey, he knows the division already. Carlos definitely got a tune out of Mbenza after a bit of persuasion, he always seemed to be stuck just above second gear but he had some superb passages of play and set piece deliveries, chipping in with those goals. Then for whatever reason he just seemed to down tools and disappeared from the first team. |
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Post by haskins on May 14, 2024 13:33:35 GMT 1
It has to be done and submitted by Friday so we will definitly know. Not much expected though. Only Rhodes, Nakayama, Diarra and Hogg out of contract. I think. Imagine 1st 3 will be let go, Hogg a year deal. Not sure if he'd want one as, aside a 6 week loan spell at the start of career, he's not played below Championship level but, personally, I wouldn't be offering Hogg a new deal either. As the last remaining player from the PL years he's been a constant in the gradual decline we've experienced over the last 5 years. That's not blaming him for them and certainly his commitment during his 10 years with us is unquestioned by me. Nor do I consider him a 'bad egg' although his increasing tendency to blame others when his errors result in goals conceded can't be particularly helpful in building squad harmony. Assuming his current injury heals then I'm sure he could contribute in L1 even at 35 / 36 but if Nagle is serious in his stated intention to change the club to a winning mindset then that will require significant personnel changes and I believe that needs to start with Jonathan. Not extending his contract would be a, possibly dramatic, statement of intent towards that aim. Of course whether it's a positive statement would depend on who is brought in to replace him. Talk of a player / coaching contract to integrate him into the backroom team and to be a mentor to the younger squad members doesn't work for me either - I don't think they regard him in the same way as say Whitehead and Hudson were. Think that makes a lot of sense. Been a great character for us over the years and will go down in the history books but you are right, we need to look forward and not let sentimentality cloud our judgement. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 14, 2024 13:37:23 GMT 1
Original. Catchy. I like it! Duff, Duff, Duff-Duff! Michael Duuuuuff, Duff, Duff, Duff-Duff! Michael Duuuuuff!! To the tune of Papas Got a Brand New Pigbag by Pigbag I thought that was EastEnders theme tune. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 14, 2024 13:40:11 GMT 1
If Healey stays fit he’ll be leading our line next season you’d suspect, scored a hat full at this level previously and has shown in glimpses we’ve seen him for us that he knows where the net is. I also expect him to be our talisman, main forward. He's looked capable from what we've seen of him. His return for us looks good. Hopefully he stays. With him and Radulovic it means that we can focus on other areas, and if possible get a backup in the Healey mould. |
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Post by mosher on May 14, 2024 13:41:32 GMT 1
It has to be done and submitted by Friday so we will definitly know. Not much expected though. Only Rhodes, Nakayama, Diarra and Hogg out of contract. I think. Imagine 1st 3 will be let go, Hogg a year deal. Not sure if he'd want one as, aside a 6 week loan spell at the start of career, he's not played below Championship level but, personally, I wouldn't be offering Hogg a new deal either. As the last remaining player from the PL years he's been a constant in the gradual decline we've experienced over the last 5 years. That's not blaming him for them and certainly his commitment during his 10 years with us is unquestioned by me. Nor do I consider him a 'bad egg' although his increasing tendency to blame others when his errors result in goals conceded can't be particularly helpful in building squad harmony. Assuming his current injury heals then I'm sure he could contribute in L1 even at 35 / 36 but if Nagle is serious in his stated intention to change the club to a winning mindset then that will require significant personnel changes and I believe that needs to start with Jonathan. Not extending his contract would be a, possibly dramatic, statement of intent towards that aim. Of course whether it's a positive statement would depend on who is brought in to replace him. Talk of a player / coaching contract to integrate him into the backroom team and to be a mentor to the younger squad members doesn't work for me either - I don't think they regard him in the same way as say Whitehead and Hudson were. [waits for pile-on others got for suggesting such heresy]  Not a dig at you by any means twyford. |
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Post by ambryboy on May 14, 2024 13:43:10 GMT 1
So. Is he moving up to Huddersfield or staying in Cheltenham? Seeing as that seemed to be the big issue in whether we appoint him or not. Anybody heard? (I don't give a flying shit either way so I don't know why I'm even asking.) Steven Chicken reported he’ll have temporary accommodation while up here, so hopefully a better split than Swansea where he spent 5 days down south and 2 in Swansea. I think the club have agreed he gets Saturdays off  |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on May 14, 2024 13:46:58 GMT 1
I was disappointed that Hogg, as club captain, did not do the last presser, ideally, to apologise to the fans on behalf of the players. To me, that was an indication that he's abdicated his responsibilities. Let him go.
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 14, 2024 13:58:31 GMT 1
I was disappointed that Hogg, as club captain, did not do the last presser, ideally, to apologise to the fans on behalf of the players. To me, that was an indication that he's abdicated his responsibilities. Let him go. Maybe he felt we didn't deserve an apology ? maybe he was ashamed? Maybe he was too annoyed that AB spilled the beans on their "do what you want jolly boys club" ? Maybe he didn't want to answer any questions , as the leader of the "jolly boys club" ? Now Hogg has done 10 years for us, but he has to take responsability as captain , for letting this go on does he not ? |
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Post by cuz on May 14, 2024 14:17:32 GMT 1
It has to be done and submitted by Friday so we will definitly know. Not much expected though. Only Rhodes, Nakayama, Diarra and Hogg out of contract. I think. Imagine 1st 3 will be let go, Hogg a year deal. Not sure if he'd want one as, aside a 6 week loan spell at the start of career, he's not played below Championship level but, personally, I wouldn't be offering Hogg a new deal either. As the last remaining player from the PL years he's been a constant in the gradual decline we've experienced over the last 5 years. That's not blaming him for them and certainly his commitment during his 10 years with us is unquestioned by me. Nor do I consider him a 'bad egg' although his increasing tendency to blame others when his errors result in goals conceded can't be particularly helpful in building squad harmony. Assuming his current injury heals then I'm sure he could contribute in L1 even at 35 / 36 but if Nagle is serious in his stated intention to change the club to a winning mindset then that will require significant personnel changes and I believe that needs to start with Jonathan. Not extending his contract would be a, possibly dramatic, statement of intent towards that aim. Of course whether it's a positive statement would depend on who is brought in to replace him. Talk of a player / coaching contract to integrate him into the backroom team and to be a mentor to the younger squad members doesn't work for me either - I don't think they regard him in the same way as say Whitehead and Hudson were. Would also free up a good chunk of wages for other signings. |
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Post by soapystevens on May 14, 2024 14:30:46 GMT 1
All i can say about this appointment is, there will be a lot of very disappointed fans next season mark my words.
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Post by townarentbest on May 14, 2024 14:31:45 GMT 1
I was disappointed that Hogg, as club captain, did not do the last presser, ideally, to apologise to the fans on behalf of the players. To me, that was an indication that he's abdicated his responsibilities. Let him go. He's recovering from a broken shoulder - wouldn't even have been in the building. |
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Post by Towner47 on May 14, 2024 14:35:38 GMT 1
Time for Hogg to go .At times he has cost us dearly .Very rarely accepted responsibility for his mistakes( if at all ?)
As for coaching no thanks as the way he has rollicked some of the youngsters on the pitch is nit to my liking.
Lastly where was the General when things were not right in the dressing oom
Done 10 years abd for that I thank him but time to move on
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on May 14, 2024 14:39:13 GMT 1
Time for Hogg to go .At times he has cost us dearly .Very rarely accepted responsibility for his mistakes( if at all ?) As for coaching no thanks as the way he has rollicked some of the youngsters on the pitch is nit to my liking. Lastly where was the General when things were not right in the dressing oom Done 10 years abd for that I thank him but time to move on If he wants to stay, I'd give him a deal. We missed him in the run in, and I have noticed a pattern that his true value only becomes clear when he's not playing. |
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Post by soapystevens on May 14, 2024 14:40:02 GMT 1
Hogg has been a great player for us and even though i think he could do another season at this level i think its time he moved on.
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Post by mosher on May 14, 2024 14:42:00 GMT 1
Time for Hogg to go .At times he has cost us dearly .Very rarely accepted responsibility for his mistakes( if at all ?) As for coaching no thanks as the way he has rollicked some of the youngsters on the pitch is nit to my liking. Lastly where was the General when things were not right in the dressing oom Done 10 years abd for that I thank him but time to move on If he wants to stay, I'd give him a deal. We missed him in the run in, and I have noticed a pattern that his true value only becomes clear when he's not playing. I wouldn't mind him staying as a squad player** but if we're relying on him as the midfield mainstay next season then something has gone seriously wrong (again) with recruitment. ** so long as he's not one of the bad eggs, which seems to have recently been pinned to him. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on May 14, 2024 14:44:37 GMT 1
If he wants to stay, I'd give him a deal. We missed him in the run in, and I have noticed a pattern that his true value only becomes clear when he's not playing. I wouldn't mind him staying as a squad player** but if we're relying on him as the midfield mainstay next season then something has gone seriously wrong (again) with recruitment. ** so long as he's not one of the bad eggs, which seems to have recently been pinned to him. Totally agree. I'd be using him to close games out or play in games where we expect more of a battle. I also don't buy the bad egg thing, there's no basis to assume this at all and people have been adding 2 & 2 and coming up with 7 |
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Post by castlehillterrier on May 14, 2024 14:53:46 GMT 1
So Duff plays 3-5-2 by the looks of it and he is quite consistant with this how does the current squad look when you put it into this formation.
Keepers (Strong)
Nicholls
Maxwell
Chapman
+ decent youth
For the keepers I would note Nicholls could leave so you would exepct an experienced keeper to come in as replacement / back up should he leave
CB (Very strong)
Helik
Baulker
Lees
Pearson
Spencer (as a 3 fine)
Turton (as a 3 fine)
Ruffles (as a 3 fine)
Ayina
Obviously no suprise at all if top two leave if so we need to get someone in.
WBs (weak)
Headly (questions of attitude)
Spencer (not sure he is a wing back)
Ruffles(ok maybe a little too defensive for WB)
Turton (not sure he is a wing back)
Jackson (I think we need better starting)
Rowe (looked strong in L2 playoffs)
Midfield 3 (Weak)
Hogg (if he signs new deal, then fine for me to be a part of this for one more year)
Rudoni
Kasumu
Wiles (get him fit)
High
Austerfield
Iorpenda
Sort of got to think Rudoni might move on we really need a minimum of 2 new CMs for the season, 3 if Hogg doesnt stay on.
Front 2 (Strong)
Healey
Ward
Bojan
Sorba
Koroma
Jones
Rowe
Harratt
Hudlin
Simpson
Philips
Fully expect Sorba to go and maybe Harratt, Hudlin, Simpson to be gone, I think we might need one with a little pace to have here, a few wingers here who might need to adapt there game to a 3-5-2.
Quite a number to move out here and then get a few with quality in, midfield and wing back is currently the key area to strenthen depednign on departures then other areas might be needed also, I fully expect the ones in bold to be part of a squad for next season with a few 5 or 6 nice additions.
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Post by castlehillterrier on May 14, 2024 14:56:50 GMT 1
I wouldn't mind him staying as a squad player** but if we're relying on him as the midfield mainstay next season then something has gone seriously wrong (again) with recruitment. ** so long as he's not one of the bad eggs, which seems to have recently been pinned to him. Totally agree. I'd be using him to close games out or play in games where we expect more of a battle. I also don't buy the bad egg thing, there's no basis to assume this at all and people have been adding 2 & 2 and coming up with 7 This Hogg is a bad egg thing is completly way off the mark, if he doesnt sign on again its because he has a better offer with longer terms or beacuase he decides to ritire from football, it my understanding Jonny has another offer on the table from us and its down to him to sign or not due to moving down the terms will be reduced and I guess he needs to consider this but as always players are on holiday now so we wont here much at the moment. If the club know he isnt signing then he will be on the list released later this week. |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 14, 2024 14:58:56 GMT 1
To be fair to Mbenza when he played in the Championship he got 5 goals with 8 assists in the equivalent of around 26 games. Whilst it was nothing spectacular he hardly stunk the league out. As for Healey, he knows the division already. Carlos definitely got a tune out of Mbenza after a bit of persuasion, he always seemed to be stuck just above second gear but he had some superb passages of play and set piece deliveries, chipping in with those goals. Then for whatever reason he just seemed to down tools and disappeared from the first team. I think there was a fundamental misunderstanding of the sort of player that Mbenza was. We expected a lighting winger who could beat a man, when he was actually someone who let the ball do the work for him and was a technician. He could run (very fast) but his style of play meant that he... didn't. Technically very good, but in terms of work-rate off the ball... Also, horrendous attitude to the club. Just sacked us off in a way which was just so unprofessional. Bacuna gets stick here - for me undeservedly - but just compare their exits. Both had contracts extended, one just got on with things and went through with his move to Rangers properly. The other downed tools entirely to get that extension cancelled so he could move for free. |
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Post by mosher on May 14, 2024 15:05:19 GMT 1
Totally agree. I'd be using him to close games out or play in games where we expect more of a battle. I also don't buy the bad egg thing, there's no basis to assume this at all and people have been adding 2 & 2 and coming up with 7 This Hogg is a bad egg thing is completly way off the mark, if he doesnt sign on again its because he has a better offer with longer terms or beacuase he decides to ritire from football, it my understanding Jonny has another offer on the table from us and its down to him to sign or not due to moving down the terms will be reduced and I guess he needs to consider this but as always players are on holiday now so we wont here much at the moment. If the club know he isnt signing then he will be on the list released later this week. If you're saying he's not the vast majority on here will believe the opposite, you do realise that? |
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Post by mosher on May 14, 2024 15:07:33 GMT 1
Carlos definitely got a tune out of Mbenza after a bit of persuasion, he always seemed to be stuck just above second gear but he had some superb passages of play and set piece deliveries, chipping in with those goals. Then for whatever reason he just seemed to down tools and disappeared from the first team. I think there was a fundamental misunderstanding of the sort of player that Mbenza was. We expected a lighting winger who could beat a man, when he was actually someone who let the ball do the work for him and was a technician. He could run (very fast) but his style of play meant that he... didn't. Technically very good, but in terms of work-rate off the ball... Also, horrendous attitude to the club. Just sacked us off in a way which was just so unprofessional. Bacuna gets stick here - for me undeservedly - but just compare their exits. Both had contracts extended, one just got on with things and went through with his move to Rangers properly. The other downed tools entirely to get that extension cancelled so he could move for free. Bacuna does get a fair bit of stick, but he also gets the praise for the talent being there, he just didn't show it often enough for us. Mbenza on the other hand |
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Post by rab030 on May 14, 2024 15:08:44 GMT 1
It is mental that. When VP posed that question I thought that it definitely hasn't happened in my lifetime supporting Town (mid-90's). Obviously we came very close with Wagner angling for a move a few times. There can't be many other clubs in English football that has not had a manager poached from them in 65 years?! It's only happened twice. Herbert Chapman in 1925 and Shankly in 1959. Shankly actually agreed to join Liverpool on 1st Dec 1959, but the Town board refused to let him go straight away and insisted he stayed until 31st Dec 1959. Eventually, after a week, they agreed to let him leave. Arthur Fairclough left for Leeds in 1919, as part of the failed merger, but didn't become manager there until 1920. Good knowledge |
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Post by kyg on May 14, 2024 15:14:06 GMT 1
All i can say about this appointment is, there will be a lot of very disappointed fans next season mark my words. This is why I left Huddersfield. I can't take the positivity. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 14, 2024 15:22:03 GMT 1
Hogg has been a great player for us and even though i think he could do another season at this level i think its time he moved on. Who would you have brought in then? Bearing in mind we're now a league 1 club. |
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Post by royrace on May 14, 2024 15:22:29 GMT 1
Time for Hogg to go .At times he has cost us dearly .Very rarely accepted responsibility for his mistakes( if at all ?) As for coaching no thanks as the way he has rollicked some of the youngsters on the pitch is nit to my liking. Lastly where was the General when things were not right in the dressing oom Done 10 years abd for that I thank him but time to move on If he wants to stay, I'd give him a deal. We missed him in the run in, and I have noticed a pattern that his true value only becomes clear when he's not playing. Funny that even after the way the team obviously missed him massively some are still dismissive of his value to the team and squad! Another year for him I hope, don't know if he fancies coaching or not but if so maybe start him off down that route. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 14, 2024 15:26:00 GMT 1
Let's *potentially* put it this way for Hogg. He's approaching mid 30's, he lives in Middlesbrough. How happy do you think he might have been when AB brought in two training sessions a day? I know hes from Middlesbrough but didnt know he still lives there. In terms of training, Id have thought a manager with breitenreiters experience would know that you arent really going to expect a player in his mid 30s to train in the same way players 10 years younger train. That they need a bit more looking after than that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2024 15:56:35 GMT 1
Seems like the majority seem to think he's a bit of a mercenary. But so what. If he gets us up, then up again (or at least the start of competing at the top end) I couldn't care less. It's not as if we haven't had mercenaries as managers [cough Carlos cough] and players [cough Pritchard cough] before. If they do a good job while they're here then expect interest from above. FFS even clubs like Manure, Chelski and Arse get their managers and players poached, why should Town (or Barnsley) be any different? The search function on the Barnsley forum wipes the floor with ours. You can get a better feel for what they thought about him from some of the threads prior to him leaving for Swansea: 09/04/23: Duff to Uddersfield11/04/23: 300 Days of Duff29/05/23: Duff16/06/23: Duff linked to Swansea Very interesting reading. The fans really didn’t want him to go and predicted he would probably fail at a club wanting to play a completely different style. Hard to tell if he couldn’t pass up the opportunity, Barnsley didn’t back him, Barnsley wanted to make some money selling him or a bit of all three. Very popular, until the move, with Barnsley fans. |
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