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Post by stinkypete on May 17, 2024 7:55:43 GMT 1
Swansea fan coming on here giving it the patronising “worst manager we’ve ever had” nonsense.
Your football I find absolutely tedious, tippy tappy shite, the guy that took over Duff hasn’t exactly set the world alight has he.
Maybe your players aren’t up to as much as you think.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 17, 2024 8:06:39 GMT 1
Yes, none of this vague ‘when we get where we want to be’ nonsense without ever having the confidence or clarity to state what that is. Just come to say as a Swansea fan when we appointed Duff ,I was exited at his win ratio don't let it fool you. We had high hopes for him but after 10 games of him in charge. we couldn't work out what style of play he was trying to inforce.Also it was clear that the players, didn't buy into it or him. It was by far the worst football I had ever seen us play. Every player that was signed for Duff ended up being a crap apart from Tymon. We wasted some serious cash and wages with his additions. He was out of his depth with us. Huddersfield are a club similar size to Swansea. Don't listen to the Barnsley fans they haven't known football there since the 90s they are a small club that Duff likes. You are probably going to have the expectation of bouncing back first time. I hope you do as you lot are a proper football club with proper fans. I will revisit this thread after 10 games. I hope I am wrong but be prepared to be frustrated 😞. Think theres a big difference between Town and Swansea as far as Duff is concerned. Swansea have developed this 'Swansea way' of playing and by the sounds of it , its pretty engrained now and maybe any manager who changes that isnt going to be accepted by the club or the fans unless they win an awful lot of games immediately. We dont have any particular style of play at all..like most clubs don't...we just want to win games and dont really care what style of football we play to do it. We're going to be way more open and supportive to whatever Duff wants to try in terms of how we play. Did Swansea improve after Duff was sacked? The league position suggests not. |
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Post by mids on May 17, 2024 8:10:26 GMT 1
It's very early, but I am a member of Team Duff  He talks a good game, seems revitalized, has set standards, and knows what he wants. Interested to see how the squad is formulated over the coming weeks, but I think we are giving ourselves some solid foundations for this long overdue reset. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 17, 2024 8:18:21 GMT 1
Like everyone I thought Duff was excellent in the two interviews I saw.
Intelligent, honest, focussed, humble and clearly very happy to be given this chance at our club.
As he said himself , most of what he said was what you hear from any new manager interview, and weve heard plenty of the last couple of years,, but I like the fact he acknowledged that and stressed various times that they are just words,,getting the job done is a different matter.
The other thing I took from it was that although he implied he wants to make his own judgements on people, he backtracked from that a bit when the journo asked if everyone was starting with a clean slate.
I dont think they are.
I was watching cartwrights expressions when duff was fielding questions like that and I think alongside a few little mentions of unity and cliques, I think a few player's slates will remain marked and Duff wont get to judge them himself at all.
Thought Cartwright came over well too.
Whilst I think hes perhaps lucky to still be in a job after so many mistakes in his first year ( not all down to him its fair to say ), the personal attacks are unnecessary and the idea that bloke 'knows nothing about football' is nonsense.
You dont have the career hes had if you dont know anything about football.
But he does need to have his decisions start to succeed now...Duff ( presuming he played a big part in that decision ) will hopefully be the first that does., with many others to follow.
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Post by haskins on May 17, 2024 8:26:34 GMT 1
Just come to say as a Swansea fan when we appointed Duff ,I was exited at his win ratio don't let it fool you. We had high hopes for him but after 10 games of him in charge. we couldn't work out what style of play he was trying to inforce.Also it was clear that the players, didn't buy into it or him. It was by far the worst football I had ever seen us play. Every player that was signed for Duff ended up being a crap apart from Tymon. We wasted some serious cash and wages with his additions. He was out of his depth with us. Huddersfield are a club similar size to Swansea. Don't listen to the Barnsley fans they haven't known football there since the 90s they are a small club that Duff likes. You are probably going to have the expectation of bouncing back first time. I hope you do as you lot are a proper football club with proper fans. I will revisit this thread after 10 games. I hope I am wrong but be prepared to be frustrated 😞. Think theres a big difference between Town and Swansea as far as Duff is concerned. Swansea have developed this 'Swansea way' of playing and by the sounds of it , its pretty engrained now and maybe any manager who changes that isnt going to be accepted by the club or the fans unless they win an awful lot of games immediately. We dont have any particular style of play at all..like most clubs don't...we just want to win games and dont really care what style of football we play to do it. We're going to be way more open and supportive to whatever Duff wants to try in terms of how we play. Did Swansea improve after Duff was sacked? The league position suggests not. I’m glad you said “we don’t have any particular style of play at all”. I’m far from an expert but I’ve always struggled to watch Town and say, yep, that’s our DNA right there. Buxton 79-80 and early Wagner are the two times I can think of where you felt you knew what was coming. Did I miss any? As for Swansea I remember them playing us off the park under Corberan all for a 1-1. There were a lot of moaners on the WYS phone-in saying Corberan didn’t know how to switch things up and was too defensive. Think he kind of admitted it on his interview. You don’t know what you got till it’s gone, eh? |
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Post by htafcokay on May 17, 2024 8:41:43 GMT 1
Roberto Martinez for one. Went on to win the FA Cup at Wigan in his next job and then took Everton to 5th in PL. Not good enough for Swansea though. Belgium had to make do with him too. Mate Roberto left for Wigan he wasn't sacked and he broke all our hearts. Back then Wigan were a bigger team that could spend more than a few hundred k on a player. So he wasn't sacked he left and was hated for years because of it. Steve Cooper messed up two play offs and then fell out with our owners. After the play off final loss to Brentford he deserved the sack. Our club is far from strict Russel Martin went 20 games without a win. The owners didn't spend in January Southampton come in for him. No one would turn that job down would they? We stick by our bosses. Under Huw Jenkins we use to get our managerial appointments right. These days we take chances on up and coming coaches. Potter , Martin , Williams. Difference is these managers all had full seasons. Martin was here for two seasons. So I don't know where you are getting your facts from mate. Duff was the worst manger we have had at our club since John Hollins, when we nearly went bust and relagated out of the football leagues. Have a look at Swansea first 10 games of the season extended highlights. Duff was the first manager sacked mid season since we have been back in the championship. I hope Duff does do well but he won't be teaching us anything. With Birmingham coming down and Wrexham coming up. League one is going to be brutal next season. Probably a harder league than the championship. Even I know that your worst manager was Kevin Cullis. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on May 17, 2024 8:45:15 GMT 1
Roberto Martinez for one. Went on to win the FA Cup at Wigan in his next job and then took Everton to 5th in PL. Not good enough for Swansea though. Belgium had to make do with him too. Mate Roberto left for Wigan he wasn't sacked and he broke all our hearts. Back then Wigan were a bigger team that could spend more than a few hundred k on a player. So he wasn't sacked he left and was hated for years because of it. Steve Cooper messed up two play offs and then fell out with our owners. After the play off final loss to Brentford he deserved the sack. Our club is far from strict Russel Martin went 20 games without a win. The owners didn't spend in January Southampton come in for him. No one would turn that job down would they? We stick by our bosses. Under Huw Jenkins we use to get our managerial appointments right. These days we take chances on up and coming coaches. Potter , Martin , Williams. Difference is these managers all had full seasons. Martin was here for two seasons. So I don't know where you are getting your facts from mate. Duff was the worst manger we have had at our club since John Hollins, when we nearly went bust and relagated out of the football leagues. Have a look at Swansea first 10 games of the season extended highlights. Duff was the first manager sacked mid season since we have been back in the championship. I hope Duff does do well but he won't be teaching us anything. With Birmingham coming down and Wrexham coming up. League one is going to be brutal next season. Probably a harder league than the championship. Was getting a bit depressed when reading that. But then the last sentence made me realise it could all just be nonsense. |
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Post by kennyk2 on May 17, 2024 8:50:27 GMT 1
Swansea fan coming on here giving it the patronising “worst manager we’ve ever had” nonsense. Your football I find absolutely tedious, tippy tappy shite, the guy that took over Duff hasn’t exactly set the world alight has he. Maybe your players aren’t up to as much as you think. “Worst manager they’ve ever had”… they should have had some of ours. |
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Post by mosher on May 17, 2024 9:06:14 GMT 1
I’m quite glad that we’ve went for a fella from these shores as Andre has knocked ma confidence somewhat for another foreign guy for now...Sounds up for it so all good, good so far anyway - And in early as well... I suppose the only way is up, but early signs are promising... Interesting summer ahead for sure - Ah well - it never ever was boring at HTAFC and probably never ever will be... Sure we wouldn’t have it any other way - Would We ! 😊 Bloody xenophobic Little Englander. Oh, hang on that cannae be right  |
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 17, 2024 9:09:18 GMT 1
Enjoyed the presser and interview, the club need to help him out now by clearing out the 'Billy Big Bollocks Brigade' and bring in some leaders with a spattering of young talent to compliment them.
Sounds like he wants to play aggressive, front foot football, which is the kind of football I enjoy to watch.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 17, 2024 9:15:04 GMT 1
Enjoyed the presser and interview, the club need to help him out now by clearing out the 'Billy Big Bollocks Brigade' and bring in some leaders with a spattering of young talent to compliment them. Sounds like he wants to play aggressive, front foot football, which is the kind of football I enjoy to watch. Id certainly prefer that to the style of football Swansea insist on. Endless ball retention with very little end result. |
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Post by htfc1908 on May 17, 2024 9:20:08 GMT 1
Enjoyed the presser and interview, the club need to help him out now by clearing out the 'Billy Big Bollocks Brigade' and bring in some leaders with a spattering of young talent to compliment them. Sounds like he wants to play aggressive, front foot football, which is the kind of football I enjoy to watch. Id certainly prefer that to the style of football Swansea insist on. Endless ball retention with very little end result. At least people wouldn't be leaving early, they'd all be asleep! |
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 17, 2024 9:27:42 GMT 1
Swansea was a great story - basement to Premier League, League cup winners (5-0 over some poor saps) and a strong identity, built after nearly dropping out of the 92. I remember being furiously jealous of them.
They appear to have become something of a parody of themselves though, with the Swansea way apparently immutable and looking in danger of ossifying them. Duff was a bad choice for them as all sides acknowledge but was barely given a chance by their puritans.
(I’ve enjoyed trips to both the Vetch and the Liberty despite the results at the latter - Swansea sits in a beautiful area, well worth visiting, and I have nothing against them at all).
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Post by ColchTerrier on May 17, 2024 9:29:54 GMT 1
I was a bit 'meh' about Duff becoming our new gaffer but the presser was a breath of fresh air, really hoping he hits the ground running!
As for his stint at Swansea - I'm pretty sure when Aston Villa appointed Emery there would have been plenty of Arsenal fans saying the same thing. Some managers just don't fit a club.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 17, 2024 9:56:19 GMT 1
Interview him again a few days before the season starts. He may know who he has to pick from and a clearer vision of what he wants them to do??
Until then, lets let them all get on with it.?
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Post by Dan on May 17, 2024 11:01:17 GMT 1
Don't like Town going into new seasons with too much expectation as it never materaialises.
I wish his press day yesterday had been a bit shit as now I'm properly convinced that we're going to absolutely piss this tinpot league. Up the Duff
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on May 17, 2024 11:25:19 GMT 1
Interview him again a few days before the season starts. He may know who he has to pick from and a clearer vision of what he wants them to do?? Until then, lets let them all get on with it.? Can just imagine it... "Michael, the season starts on Saturday, how is the squad shaping up?" "F*** me, they're awful. Josh can't kick straight, Jack can't kick at all, and Sorba gets distracted every time a butterfly goes past. Why didn't anyone warn me?" |
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Post by Arbie 1976. on May 17, 2024 11:28:26 GMT 1
At last, a manager who I can understand, articulate and humble. Wants his ream Fit, Strong mental and physical also organised. Sweat on the shirt minimum standard. He is realistic and we need to fully back him unconditionally.
IMO very impressed after his presser. Good Times ahead. UTT.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 17, 2024 11:31:46 GMT 1
Interview him again a few days before the season starts. He may know who he has to pick from and a clearer vision of what he wants them to do?? Until then, lets let them all get on with it.? Can just imagine it... "Michael, the season starts on Saturday, how is the squad shaping up?" "F*** me, they're awful. Josh can't kick straight, Jack can't kick at all, and Sorba gets distracted every time a butterfly goes past. Why didn't anyone warn me?" I'm hoping the ones you mentioned will be long gone before the season starts 🙏 |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on May 17, 2024 11:33:26 GMT 1
At last, a manager who I can understand, articulate and humble. Wants his ream Fit, Strong mental and physical also organised. Sweat on the shirt minimum standard. He is realistic and we need to fully back him unconditionally. IMO very impressed after his presser. Good Times ahead. UTT. all the best reams are strong... |
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Post by irverino on May 17, 2024 11:41:27 GMT 1
Didn't see all the PC yesterday so was their any mention of who the new backroom staff will be? I see some Wendies fans were also singling out Chris Powell with praise on SM for his part in keeping them up........Funny how things work out sometimes, thought they were nailed on for the drop when Rohl brought him in.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 17, 2024 11:43:59 GMT 1
Didn't see all the PC yesterday so was their any mention of who the new backroom staff will be? I see some Wendies fans were also singling out Chris Powell with praise on SM for his part in keeping them up........Funny how things work out sometimes, thought they were nailed on for the drop when Rohl brought him in. Dont think there was no. It was an obvious question that somehow all the journalists forgot to ask him about. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 17, 2024 11:44:37 GMT 1
Interview him again a few days before the season starts. He may know who he has to pick from and a clearer vision of what he wants them to do?? Until then, lets let them all get on with it.? Can just imagine it... "Michael, the season starts on Saturday, how is the squad shaping up?" "F*** me, they're awful. Josh can't kick straight, Jack can't kick at all, and Sorba gets distracted every time a butterfly goes past. Why didn't anyone warn me?" If we are not past that particular scenario then we are all doomed.. Hard to be specific about players and tactics or even general thoughts on playing when you have no idea whos going, who is staying because they want to or cant get a move, plus any new incomers. Reality for footballers does seem somewhat removed from actual real life, perhaps nobody else wanting to pay for your 'huge talent', may sharpen their focus?? As Elvis once sang... 'A little less conversation, a little more action'.. We have talked a good club, good squad, good manager(s) etc etc for far too long.. |
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Post by SacTown on May 17, 2024 11:49:00 GMT 1
Didn't see all the PC yesterday so was their any mention of who the new backroom staff will be? I see some Wendies fans were also singling out Chris Powell with praise on SM for his part in keeping them up........Funny how things work out sometimes, thought they were nailed on for the drop when Rohl brought him in. Why? Powell is perfect for the backroom. Just because he was 'average' as Town manager, doesn't make him a bad coach to have behind the scenes. He's been part of the England set up on and off, so clearly highly regarded within the game. |
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Post by ram on May 17, 2024 11:52:21 GMT 1
I await with bated breath,to see the fabulous talent that Mr. Cartwright is going to introduce to the Town ranks! {this statement could be  or   } |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 17, 2024 11:57:20 GMT 1
Think theres a big difference between Town and Swansea as far as Duff is concerned. Swansea have developed this 'Swansea way' of playing and by the sounds of it , its pretty engrained now and maybe any manager who changes that isnt going to be accepted by the club or the fans unless they win an awful lot of games immediately. We dont have any particular style of play at all..like most clubs don't...we just want to win games and dont really care what style of football we play to do it. We're going to be way more open and supportive to whatever Duff wants to try in terms of how we play. Did Swansea improve after Duff was sacked? The league position suggests not. I’m glad you said “we don’t have any particular style of play at all”. I’m far from an expert but I’ve always struggled to watch Town and say, yep, that’s our DNA right there. Buxton 79-80 and early Wagner are the two times I can think of where you felt you knew what was coming. Did I miss any? As for Swansea I remember them playing us off the park under Corberan all for a 1-1. There were a lot of moaners on the WYS phone-in saying Corberan didn’t know how to switch things up and was too defensive. Think he kind of admitted it on his interview. You don’t know what you got till it’s gone, eh? Swansea are an anomaly across the leagues, along with a handful of other teams who have their own 'footballing identity' Most teams just take on the identity that the manager puts on them. To say we've only had two isn't right but admittedly there's been a lot which haven't had much at all. Lee Clarks team had a definite identity, they are still my favourite to have watched (before he gave up on his ethos/identity and just put any old team out) Jackos teams had an identity that I liked but was very different. You get the idea. |
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Post by Rigodon on May 17, 2024 12:05:09 GMT 1
Not listened to all the PC but done a quick search on here to no avail, apologies if I've just missed it.. Was there any discussion around him moving back up north / relocating for the job?
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Post by Dan on May 17, 2024 12:07:07 GMT 1
Not listened to all the PC but done a quick search on here to no avail, apologies if I've just missed it.. Was there any discussion around him moving back up north / relocating for the job? He'll be living up here, but not uprooting the family - kids doing GCSEs etc. So will be going back occasionally on days off. In his words, he'll be 'all in'. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 17, 2024 12:08:06 GMT 1
Like everyone I thought Duff was excellent in the two interviews I saw. Intelligent, honest, focussed, humble and clearly very happy to be given this chance at our club. As he said himself , most of what he said was what you hear from any new manager interview, and weve heard plenty of the last couple of years,, but I like the fact he acknowledged that and stressed various times that they are just words,,getting the job done is a different matter. The other thing I took from it was that although he implied he wants to make his own judgements on people, he backtracked from that a bit when the journo asked if everyone was starting with a clean slate. I dont think they are. I was watching cartwrights expressions when duff was fielding questions like that and I think alongside a few little mentions of unity and cliques, I think a few player's slates will remain marked and Duff wont get to judge them himself at all. Thought Cartwright came over well too. Whilst I think hes perhaps lucky to still be in a job after so many mistakes in his first year ( not all down to him its fair to say ), the personal attacks are unnecessary and the idea that bloke 'knows nothing about football' is nonsense. You dont have the career hes had if you dont know anything about football. But he does need to have his decisions start to succeed now...Duff ( presuming he played a big part in that decision ) will hopefully be the first that does., with many others to follow. Fully agree with all of that.
What really irks me about many of our fans is that a) they don't want to give a person a chance having already made up their minds and b) when somebody joins us with a decent track record they already want them immediately out of the door when things take a dip or don't get off to the best start.
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Post by Rigodon on May 17, 2024 12:09:46 GMT 1
Not listened to all the PC but done a quick search on here to no avail, apologies if I've just missed it.. Was there any discussion around him moving back up north / relocating for the job? He'll be living up here, but not uprooting the family - kids doing GCSEs etc. So will be going back occasionally on days off. In his words, he'll be 'all in'. Thanks bud. Was that in the pc? |
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He talks a good game, seems revitalized, has set standards, and knows what he wants. Interested to see how the squad is formulated over the coming weeks, but I think we are giving ourselves some solid foundations for this long overdue reset.
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