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Post by ben1987 on May 13, 2024 16:31:19 GMT 1
From 7:15 or so for 60-90 seconds Duff is spoken about indirectly Could be interpreted that Duff refused to move and that's a non-starter or that Duff never expressed a refusal to move. Hopefully it's the latter. Ok you win |
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Post by CurlyWurly on May 13, 2024 16:31:26 GMT 1
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Post by incognito on May 13, 2024 16:31:36 GMT 1
I dont think "Won't move" = drive to Cheltenham and back 6 days a week. It just means he's not prepared to uproot his wife and have his kids move school. He'll probably stay up here most of the week on his own (Cowleys did the same) and spend downtime back home. Not 100% ideal but not the disaster some are creating. At the end of the day, it's Duff's problem to figure out. He has just as much riding on his making it work as we do... |
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Post by dezzly on May 13, 2024 16:32:19 GMT 1
What you don’t think our preseason was an issue at why we had so many injuries and poor fitness? Even though managers, reporters and connections to the club have said the same? I've no interest, to be honest. I just don't take too kindly to people trying to make out that Warnock was tossing it off and only had pre-season down there because he lived down there. Warnock has more-or-less always taken his teams to Cornwall for pre-season in the last 30 years and it seems to me like that fact has been lost on some of you. I don’t think anyone is suggesting he was tossing it off. Maybe he just underestimated how much fitness would contribute to how this squad would perform,they need to be one of the fittest teams to counteract the lack of quality,or did at championship level. Maybe he was expecting to bring 2/3 or 4 more quality players into the fold that would have helped with the reliance on fitness.Who knows.We’ll never know how Warnock staying would have played out but what I think I can say with a fair amount of confidence is that we picked up and awful lot of injuries which can be a sign of been physically underprepared and also we simply did not put one single 90 minute performance together,a lot of the time we were lucky if the levels lasted 45. It’s also probably why we saw so many triple substitutions late on in the season. Either way don’t know why we’re discussing it now,what’s done is done and it seems like we’ve got someone else in now.Feel like as a fan base we’ve done enough criticising(and rightly so) and that just need to let them get on with it now.If they get it wrong then there will be nowhere to hide. |
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Post by itkterrier on May 13, 2024 16:32:56 GMT 1
No it isn't just you. Many, many people have mentioned the links many, many times. |
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Post by Jack on May 13, 2024 16:33:00 GMT 1
Wagner once said he wanted all his players and staff living within 30 minutes of Canalside. Or something like that. Not sure if that actually happened 100% but I know a lot of players did live within the community and it didn't turn out too bad.
If Duff ain't residing within walking distance of Deighton he can sod off.
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:33:40 GMT 1
Wagner once said he wanted all his players and staff living within 30 minutes of Canalside. Or something like that. Not sure if that actually happened 100% but I know a lot of players did live within the community and it didn't turn out too bad. If Duff ain't residing within walking distance of Deighton he can sod off. Everyone but Hogg moved within 30 mins of Canalside. |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 13, 2024 16:35:53 GMT 1
I dont care where he took them as long as they trained hard and played some meaningfull games this was not the case on either front last year. I'm not bothered either way. It doesn't matter who you play in pre-season, in my opinion. It's never mattered before, it's just classic straw-clutching. Pre-season is building a base fitness and working on tactics and team cohesion. We played Bodmin Town, Tavistock, Liskeard Athletic who we beat 13-1. There is a difference in quality between that and Stockport, Morecambe and Bolton the season before, and Bolton, Harrogate, Doncaster and Morecambe the season before that. Anyway moot point now! |
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Post by davethesprout on May 13, 2024 16:36:02 GMT 1
Duff 1/12 on Sky for Town job
8/1 for Barnsley job Williamson evens favourite
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Post by CurlyWurly on May 13, 2024 16:36:39 GMT 1
No it isn't just you. Many, many people have mentioned the links many, many times. Attachments:
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:36:59 GMT 1
I'm not bothered either way. It doesn't matter who you play in pre-season, in my opinion. It's never mattered before, it's just classic straw-clutching. Pre-season is building a base fitness and working on tactics and team cohesion. We played Bodmin Town, Tavistock, Liskeard Athletic who we beat 13-1. There is a difference in quality between that and Stockport, Morecambe and Bolton the season before, and Bolton, Harrogate, Doncaster and Morecambe the season before that. Ah yeah, all top sides. |
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Post by richhtfc on May 13, 2024 16:37:32 GMT 1
Happy if it’s Duff, comes across well in articles I’ve read.
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Post by castlehillterrier on May 13, 2024 16:37:39 GMT 1
I dont care where he took them as long as they trained hard and played some meaningfull games this was not the case on either front last year. I'm not bothered either way. It doesn't matter who you play in pre-season, in my opinion. It's never mattered before, it's just classic straw-clutching. the level does matter, you need a build-up in quality and intensity in preseason getting players ready for league action, in the summer we had a build of crap crap and more crap with zero intensity all very poor and starts you off wrong. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 13, 2024 16:38:34 GMT 1
I'd say that Duff not moving his family from within the UK would be less of an issue than AB not moving his family over from Germany. To me that gave me a sense he wasn't committed and had one eye back on Germany.
Duff will be living locally for part of the week and his family will be able to meet up with him at matches or in Huddersfield far more easily than for AB.
He has lots of experience of League 1 and will have great knowledge of the right players.
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Post by theterrier42 on May 13, 2024 16:38:34 GMT 1
I understand the criticism with beswick sports in the past, especially for Edwards who would struggle in a pub side. However I genuinely think Duff being appointed has little to do with Beswick. He’s probably one of the best candidates with good experience at this level and someone young enough to build with. Wouldn’t use this as a stick to beat Cartwright with and I am one who is firmly in the Cartwright out camp
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on May 13, 2024 16:39:11 GMT 1
Oh god, not Duff. This club is in a mess and it is all going to get worse, mark my words we will be playing Harrogate next season
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Post by 4 pts on May 13, 2024 16:39:38 GMT 1
I said this on the Cartwright thread a while ago. I'm not a fan of agents or ex agents involved in football clubs. It always makes me question if they or someone they're connected with gets some sort of benefit from a transfer or appointment |
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Post by htfcterry on May 13, 2024 16:39:51 GMT 1
Cartwrights put his neck on the line with this one in my opinion. It either goes well and no one gives a fuck about Beswick Sports.. Or it goes tits up and Duff gets the sack along with Cartwright. If Nagle thought the pressure was on Cartwright now - imagine if one of his appointments from his own agency goes wrong. I think we're in a win/win situation here. It goes well and everyone is happy, it goes wrong and Cartwright gets found out and kicked out. |
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Post by htfcterry on May 13, 2024 16:41:39 GMT 1
I'm not bothered either way. It doesn't matter who you play in pre-season, in my opinion. It's never mattered before, it's just classic straw-clutching. the level does matter, you need a build-up in quality and intensity in preseason getting players ready for league action, in the summer we had a build of crap crap and more crap with zero intensity all very poor and starts you off wrong. We weren't in a relegation battle when he left though. You/other managers can say what you want about how Warnock operated, but it quite simply worked. He got enough points to keep our heads above the water, until the day he left. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:44:26 GMT 1
I'm not bothered either way. It doesn't matter who you play in pre-season, in my opinion. It's never mattered before, it's just classic straw-clutching. the level does matter, you need a build-up in quality and intensity in preseason getting players ready for league action, in the summer we had a build of crap crap and more crap with zero intensity all very poor and starts you off wrong. Yeah, totally agree. It's ALL Warnock's fault. |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on May 13, 2024 16:45:02 GMT 1
I'd say that Duff not moving his family from within the UK would be less of an issue than AB not moving his family over from Germany. To me that gave me a sense he wasn't committed and had one eye back on Germany. Duff will be living locally for part of the week and his family will be able to meet up with him at matches or in Huddersfield far more easily than for AB. He has lots of experience of League 1 and will have great knowledge of the right players. . It was a while before Wagner brought his family over. |
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Post by crux on May 13, 2024 16:45:30 GMT 1
At Swansea, he used to spend 5 nights in Cheltenham and 2 in Swansea, Monday and Thursday. I don’t think it’s a great idea given the full scale of the job needed, needs to work out what players he wants to keep, which he needs to get rid of and what replacements are needed. Going to Swansea from Cheltenham is a lot easier than coming up to Huddersfield. It's 50 miles shorter and you don't have the nightmare choices of M5/6/62 or M5/42/1 all of which can be utterly fucked at any time of the day. We've got friends who live not far away from Cheltenham and once we got there in 3 hours, but mostly it ends up around 4 hours and once took us 7 !!! He may get to spend a couple of nights in Cheltenham during a week, but he'd be travelling down after a days work and coming back early in the morning. If I was him, I'd be negotiating for a driver! |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 13, 2024 16:45:52 GMT 1
Pre-season is building a base fitness and working on tactics and team cohesion. We played Bodmin Town, Tavistock, Liskeard Athletic who we beat 13-1. There is a difference in quality between that and Stockport, Morecambe and Bolton the season before, and Bolton, Harrogate, Doncaster and Morecambe the season before that. Ah yeah, all top sides. There’s a far cry between multiple examples of League opposition and local pub teams forming the core of a pre-season. You get fitter and work harder against professional opposition. You get better tactical insights against stronger sides. I would say over a 4-week period you need 6 (or more) games against good opposition (League Two and up) to be prepared. Three of five last season were against sides in divisions below Emley. |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 13, 2024 16:46:38 GMT 1
Pre-season is building a base fitness and working on tactics and team cohesion. We played Bodmin Town, Tavistock, Liskeard Athletic who we beat 13-1. There is a difference in quality between that and Stockport, Morecambe and Bolton the season before, and Bolton, Harrogate, Doncaster and Morecambe the season before that. Ah yeah, all top sides. Okay, Bodmin are level 10 on the pyramid, Tavistock are level 7-8 and Liskaerd Athletic are also level 10 on the pyramid. Let’s not pretend that’s not a huge difference between League 1/League 2 teams. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on May 13, 2024 16:47:34 GMT 1
the level does matter, you need a build-up in quality and intensity in preseason getting players ready for league action, in the summer we had a build of crap crap and more crap with zero intensity all very poor and starts you off wrong. Yeah, totally agree. It's ALL Warnock's fault. not aware of anyone who has said that anywhere. But similarly, Warnock arguably contributed to our downfall. Less than Moore or AB, but he was in charge for what looks to have been an inept pre-season. |
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Post by kwami-hodouto on May 13, 2024 16:48:39 GMT 1
From what I can see, he likes to play a 352 formation.
Makes his team's solid defensively, and then press on the counter.
I saw a stat that under him Barnsley conceded the same amount of goals as Plymouth and only scored two less.
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:48:44 GMT 1
There’s a far cry between multiple examples of League opposition and local pub teams forming the core of a pre-season. You get fitter and work harder against professional opposition. You get better tactical insights against stronger sides. I would say over a 4-week period you need 6 (or more) games against good opposition (League Two and up) to be prepared. Three of five last season were against sides in divisions below Emley. How come no-one has ever kicked up a fuss before when we've played non-league sides? And why do people ignore the professional sides we played in pre-season? People can have all the opinions they want, but I wish they wouldn't be selective about the facts. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:49:11 GMT 1
Okay, Bodmin are level 10 on the pyramid, Tavistock are level 7-8 and Liskaerd Athletic are also level 10 on the pyramid. Let’s not pretend that’s not a huge difference between League 1/League 2 teams. Let's not pretend we ONLY played pub sides. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on May 13, 2024 16:49:29 GMT 1
Oh god, not Duff. This club is in a mess and it is all going to get worse, mark my words we will be playing Harrogate next season In the cup competitions possibly, but definitely not in the league! |
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Post by JG Mellor on May 13, 2024 16:49:33 GMT 1
Totally underwhelming. This chap has done nowt. Mid-table mediocrity looms. Thank god I'm not young with a life of being a terrier in front of me. UTMFT
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