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Post by CowshedJack on May 13, 2024 16:50:22 GMT 1
There’s a far cry between multiple examples of League opposition and local pub teams forming the core of a pre-season. You get fitter and work harder against professional opposition. You get better tactical insights against stronger sides. I would say over a 4-week period you need 6 (or more) games against good opposition (League Two and up) to be prepared. Three of five last season were against sides in divisions below Emley. How come no-one has ever kicked up a fuss before when we've played non-league sides? And why do people ignore the professional sides we played in pre-season? People can have all the opinions they want, but I wish they wouldn't be selective about the facts. The past seasons before we didn’t play primarily non league pub teams, as I’ve demonstrated. But you can keep burying your head in the sand and pretend Neil Warnock can’t make any mistakes possibly. Moot point. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:51:09 GMT 1
Yeah, totally agree. It's ALL Warnock's fault. not aware of anyone who has said that anywhere. But similarly, Warnock arguably contributed to our downfall. Less than Moore or AB, but he was in charge for what looks to have been an inept pre-season. He may well have done, but I don't remember us being in much danger when he left, nor do I remember many injuries or complaints about the pre-season then. I'd suggest a man who took charge of seven games (of which he won two and drew two) is far less to blame than the manager that took charge of half the season and won three games. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:52:04 GMT 1
How come no-one has ever kicked up a fuss before when we've played non-league sides? And why do people ignore the professional sides we played in pre-season? People can have all the opinions they want, but I wish they wouldn't be selective about the facts. The past seasons before we didn’t play primarily non league pub teams, as I’ve demonstrated. But you can keep burying your head in the sand and pretend Neil Warnock can’t make any mistakes possibly. Moot point. Warnock has made mistakes. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 13, 2024 16:52:37 GMT 1
I dont care where he took them as long as they trained hard and played some meaningfull games this was not the case on either front last year. I'm not bothered either way. It doesn't matter who you play in pre-season, in my opinion. It's never mattered before, it's just classic straw-clutching. I wanna send these fuckers to that island Wagner took the 2016 squad to. Maybe think about leaving them on it. |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 13, 2024 16:53:19 GMT 1
Wagner once said he wanted all his players and staff living within 30 minutes of Canalside. Or something like that. Not sure if that actually happened 100% but I know a lot of players did live within the community and it didn't turn out too bad. If Duff ain't residing within walking distance of Deighton he can sod off. Everyone but Hogg moved within 30 mins of Canalside. Hogg used to used to run canalside as a warm up from his house 💪🏻 |
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 16:54:08 GMT 1
I'm not bothered either way. It doesn't matter who you play in pre-season, in my opinion. It's never mattered before, it's just classic straw-clutching. I wanna send these fuckers to that island Wagner took the 2016 squad to. Maybe think about leaving them on it. Can't say that, it might hurt their feelings. |
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Post by irverino on May 13, 2024 16:54:31 GMT 1
I see Dave is currently online while doing his radio show......Another pair of eyes incoming?
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Post by Kirchenglocken on May 13, 2024 16:57:18 GMT 1
I'd say that Duff not moving his family from within the UK would be less of an issue than AB not moving his family over from Germany. To me that gave me a sense he wasn't committed and had one eye back on Germany. Duff will be living locally for part of the week and his family will be able to meet up with him at matches or in Huddersfield far more easily than for AB. He has lots of experience of League 1 and will have great knowledge of the right players. Understand the point and it has truth in it but imo as someone who also lives abroad I understood AB not bringing his whole family. They have their own careers and life not to mention visas would have been required and not necessarily 'easily' obtained. Pretty sure they didn't move to Zürich either which is a bit further than 'down the road' from Hannover. |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 13, 2024 16:58:01 GMT 1
There’s a far cry between multiple examples of League opposition and local pub teams forming the core of a pre-season. You get fitter and work harder against professional opposition. You get better tactical insights against stronger sides. I would say over a 4-week period you need 6 (or more) games against good opposition (League Two and up) to be prepared. Three of five last season were against sides in divisions below Emley. How come no-one has ever kicked up a fuss before when we've played non-league sides? And why do people ignore the professional sides we played in pre-season? People can have all the opinions they want, but I wish they wouldn't be selective about the facts. It’s about balance in pre-season. We’ve had two shambolic ones in a row leaving us undercooked. Not enough minutes in legs, lack of competitive opposition. If we faced Halifax this pre-season, great - if we’re also facing better sides and playing plenty of football. Agree on being selective though. We disagree on many things, but I hope we at least look at the big picture without picking and choosing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 16:58:15 GMT 1
6 o clock announcement call me ITK👀
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 17:00:19 GMT 1
Wagner once said he wanted all his players and staff living within 30 minutes of Canalside. Or something like that. Not sure if that actually happened 100% but I know a lot of players did live within the community and it didn't turn out too bad. If Duff ain't residing within walking distance of Deighton he can sod off. That’s a too much of a slack attitude, will get us nowhere, he needs to be living in a caravan parked in our training ground. |
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Post by shawsie on May 13, 2024 17:04:40 GMT 1
The past seasons before we didn’t play primarily non league pub teams, as I’ve demonstrated. But you can keep burying your head in the sand and pretend Neil Warnock can’t make any mistakes possibly. Moot point. Warnock has made mistakes. Warnock had the squad equipped for warnockball....counterattacking and being direct in possession and deep and difficult to break thru when not. Then some pillock decided lets bring in the moore aka the erminator who has no more idea than most on here and had zero charisma. He wanted to play out from the back and thru midfield with a squad which put simply cudnt do it. Hey presto 3 wins in 20 plus and football that made eyes bleed! AB then comes in and hes a mix but still cant get a tune out of em and hey presto again.....here we are in league 1!!!! |
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Post by irverino on May 13, 2024 17:05:27 GMT 1
I see Dave is currently online while doing his radio show......Another pair of eyes incoming? We have eyes.....Cheers CD. |
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Post by blackcat on May 13, 2024 17:07:44 GMT 1
Totally underwhelming. This chap has done nowt. Mid-table mediocrity looms. Thank god I'm not young with a life of being a terrier in front of me. UTMFT He got Cheltenham Town promoted from the fourth tier as Champions then guided them to comfortable mid-table safety in League One the following season. In his only season at Barnsley they finished fourth and took Wednesday to the wire despite playing with ten men for eighty minutes. He wasn't given a fair crack of the whip at Swansea being sacked after less than half a season. The only factor that counts against him, as has been mentioned by many others, is his refusal to move the family home from Cheltenham. But that didn't prevent him doing well at Barnsley. I think he'd be a very good appointment. |
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Post by mallyb on May 13, 2024 17:08:03 GMT 1
From what I can see, he likes to play a 352 formation. Makes his team's solid defensively, and then press on the counter. I saw a stat that under him Barnsley conceded the same amount of goals as Plymouth and only scored two less. Well that's a worry because next season as one of the favourites we are likely to face a lot of low blocks from opposition home and away so may not be a lot of counter attacking opportunities. Also a worry that he didn't seem able to adapt his style to a winning formula with the players he had at Sawnsea. |
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Post by kwami-hodouto on May 13, 2024 17:11:19 GMT 1
From what I can see, he likes to play a 352 formation. Makes his team's solid defensively, and then press on the counter. I saw a stat that under him Barnsley conceded the same amount of goals as Plymouth and only scored two less. Well that's a worry because next season as one of the favourites we are likely to face a lot of low blocks from opposition home and away so may not be a lot of counter attacking opportunities. Also a worry that he didn't seem able to adapt his style to a winning formula with the players he had at Sawnsea. Barnsley were at the top end of the league when he was in charge and lost in the play off final. Do you not think they would have come up against a lot of teams parking the bus that season? |
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Post by theterrier42 on May 13, 2024 17:12:51 GMT 1
Worked with helik for a few months, wonder if he can convince him to stay (wishful thinking)
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on May 13, 2024 17:18:42 GMT 1
I presume we'll need to cash in on Helik to help fund next season.
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Post by mallyb on May 13, 2024 17:22:54 GMT 1
Well that's a worry because next season as one of the favourites we are likely to face a lot of low blocks from opposition home and away so may not be a lot of counter attacking opportunities. Also a worry that he didn't seem able to adapt his style to a winning formula with the players he had at Sawnsea. Barnsley were at the top end of the league when he was in charge and lost in the play off final. Do you not think they would have come up against a lot of teams parking the bus that season? I don't know. You can come up against that style and get results without playing well just having some better players. He couldn't get a tune out of some good footballers at Swansea. If we are having the big rebuild, I would like to think that we are rebuilding around an entertaining attacking style of football. Defensively solid counter attacking football doesn't sound exciting, it wouldn't be the strap line that sells 20,000 season tickets. It can be exciting and I hope it is. Defensively solid is key to success but just hope it comes with some exciting football. |
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Post by dezzly on May 13, 2024 17:23:32 GMT 1
From what I can see, he likes to play a 352 formation. Makes his team's solid defensively, and then press on the counter. I saw a stat that under him Barnsley conceded the same amount of goals as Plymouth and only scored two less. Well that's a worry because next season as one of the favourites we are likely to face a lot of low blocks from opposition home and away so may not be a lot of counter attacking opportunities. Also a worry that he didn't seem able to adapt his style to a winning formula with the players he had at Sawnsea. Wouldn’t say it’s worrying tbh.if teams are in a low block and your playing 3-5-2 it means wing backs can really play high and bomb on,you already have 2 strikers up there plus can have 2 midfielders attacking the box. The formation is pretty adaptable to be able to play on the counter sitting in a 5-3-2 off the ball and springing forwards when winning it or if dominating the game allowing us to throw men forward. Would require a quick athletic team though for the most part. |
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Post by Maynardblue on May 13, 2024 17:25:18 GMT 1
6 o clock announcement call me ITK👀 Or 5.30 😆 |
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Post by DuffMan on May 13, 2024 17:26:13 GMT 1
All this stuff about Beswick etc. Cartwright has similar links with Breitenreiter's agency, there are several pictures of him on their instagram page. Looks to me like a man just using his contacts but you would hope he has a wider pool than a couple of sports agents.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 17:30:08 GMT 1
6 o clock announcement call me ITK👀 Or 5.30 😆 Don’t burst my bubble🤣 |
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Post by detox on May 13, 2024 17:30:34 GMT 1
Who's this Dave , and what radio show  |
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Post by Dan on May 13, 2024 17:31:39 GMT 1
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Post by thomo on May 13, 2024 17:32:32 GMT 1
6 o clock announcement call me ITK👀 Or 5.30 😆 Correct as always. You're the man 👍 To me he seems a reasonable appointment |
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Post by ebargum on May 13, 2024 17:33:50 GMT 1
6 o clock announcement call me ITK👀  |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 13, 2024 17:35:31 GMT 1
As per Mr Chicken:
Duff has generally preferred to stick to a high-presisng 3-5-2 formation that first served him well at Cheltenham.
A counter-attacking style by nature, Duff’s sides are not renowned for having loads of the ball: his Barnsley side of 2022/23 had just a tad under 50% possession and a 67% pass completion rate, ranking them below the League One average on both counts.
Duff’s game is instead built on organisation, intensity in the press, and hard work. The centre-forwards are expected to act as the first defenders – something Town fans will be well familiar with already having seen Danny Ward and Fraizer Campbell perform the role in recent years – and if that fails, the focus is on making the midfield as congested as possible.
The result is that Duff’s Barnsley side made the fewest tackles per game of any side in the division, yet only Ipswich conceded fewer shots on goal. Parallels can be drawn there to Carlos Corberan’s own play-off finalists in 2021/22, who likewise ranked towards the bottom of the division for tackles but had one of the meanest defences in the Championship that year.
Simply put, if you work hard enough to rush the opposition into sloppy play, and are in good enough shape to win those stray balls, you don’t have to rely on taking the ball straight from the opposition’s feet very often.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 13, 2024 17:35:51 GMT 1
Welcome Michael, lot of work to do.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on May 13, 2024 17:36:07 GMT 1
Very happy with this, just four months too late!
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