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Post by goodbet on Nov 9, 2024 22:30:45 GMT 1
For me definitely not this. The number of players we have bought in the past because they played well against us and then turned round and could not kick a football when they played for Town. better than players who haven’t played well against us. History is against us on signing players who played well against us. The reason for that is it is just one game, right now a unfit rubbish player could look like Pele when playing against us. I just think that we would be setting our benchmark incredibly low if that was the basis of any signings we are to make. Based on our recent signings we must have watched all our signings playing against Badford Shitty. |
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on Nov 9, 2024 22:34:48 GMT 1
This isn’t a post to defend Duff and my point might actually be a criticism of him, our recruitment and the coaching. However, had Balker not got injured pre season I think the way we play and the system would look totally different.
From what I’ve seen of Balker, he shouldn’t be playing League one football and if he was he would in my opinion look out of place. But his ability to carry the ball, play and his pace at the back I think would make this clunky 5-3-2 gel and enable the ball into midfield quicker, earlier and help not just with possession but getting the ball into dangerous areas before the opposition get set and become hard to break down.
The issue is, based on the evidence we have seen so far, the lad has serious injury concerns and if he was so crucial to this system working we needed a plan B as it is obvious he is unlikely to feature all season.
I guess my actual point is to emphasise the fine margins and how one injury can have an almost sliding doors moment on the team/squad.
Similar with Healey. If Town could get any one of the 6 strikers in form and playing to their ceiling, the overall team would look completely different. Whether any have the fitness, confidence and capability to perform to their career best is an unknown. Personally I would swap all 6 for two signings without huge injury issues and that had a track record of goals in England like May and Taylor.
I still think we’ll fail to be promoted this year but have a chance of building something special for the following season (with so many out of contract in the summer presenting an opportunity to refresh the squad). Whether Duff is the man to lead us to glory is very debatable but I think he should be given a chance to see
How we look at the end of this season.
Similar to my thoughts on Nagel, we need to be careful what we wish for as a coveted foreign manager like Breitenreiter looked good on paper, in interviews etc but seemed to lose the dressing room within weeks. Duff has a lot to prove but the red flags are limited to system and not quite getting the best out of the squad so far, but it is still early in his tenure and he inherited a shit show. UTT
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 9, 2024 22:39:23 GMT 1
How many of Europe's top sides do you see playing 352? Now I know we're not at that level but if the best coaches in the game don't think it is worth using than why is Duff so obsessed with it? I actually think he would rather lose his job than have to try something else I can’t remember the last decent side to play it. Pretty much anyone playing 3 at the back is playing 343. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 9, 2024 22:43:48 GMT 1
For me definitely not this. The number of players we have bought in the past because they played well against us and then turned round and could not kick a football when they played for Town. Junior Mendes Donall mcdermott Anton Robinson |
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Post by Sio on Nov 9, 2024 22:48:40 GMT 1
How many of Europe's top sides do you see playing 352? Now I know we're not at that level but if the best coaches in the game don't think it is worth using than why is Duff so obsessed with it? I actually think he would rather lose his job than have to try something else I can’t remember the last decent side to play it. Pretty much anyone playing 3 at the back is playing 343. Inter? Maybe not now but they did during their CL Final season vs Man City. Can't think of any other example though. |
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Post by utttrooper on Nov 9, 2024 22:56:05 GMT 1
For me the system will only work best if we have two of Spencer, Balker and Lonwijk fit as well as both Sorenson amd Miller as it gives us creativity down both flanks and pace amd passing ability on both sides of the back 3. It can work well enough without everyone fit and has done most of this season but there is a significant reduction in creativity and/or big exposure on one/both sides of the back 3 due to a lack of pace. I think the system will work fine but we aren't big top 2 contenders when we have injuries.
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Post by Dan on Nov 9, 2024 22:56:09 GMT 1
How many of Europe's top sides do you see playing 352? Now I know we're not at that level but if the best coaches in the game don't think it is worth using than why is Duff so obsessed with it? I actually think he would rather lose his job than have to try something else I can’t remember the last decent side to play it. Pretty much anyone playing 3 at the back is playing 343. Used to enjoy watching Chris Wilder's 3-5-2 at Sheff United. Baldock and Stevens wing backs with Basham and O'Connell the overlapping centre halves. If Duff could ever get Balker, Pearson and Helik/Lonwijk to start in a back three with Miller and Sorensen as wing backs, I feel it wouldn't look too different. Still, he hasn't got those players available and he has to adapt to that better... |
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Post by utttrooper on Nov 9, 2024 23:06:19 GMT 1
Another thought is that we have a solid defence with a back 3 and we've scored in 12 of 14 league games this season. So I don't think the system has too much to do with us being shit. I'd say it's more down to our defenders being culpable of massive fuck ups and we are not particularly clinical either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2024 23:19:38 GMT 1
Another thought is that we have a solid defence with a back 3 and we've scored in 12 of 14 league games this season. So I don't think the system has too much to do with us being shit. I'd say it's more down to our defenders being culpable of massive fuck ups and we are not particularly clinical either. Yeah, I agree. We look very solid in defence for 85 mins of a game, but there will just be 1 or 2 moments where a player or two goes to sleep and lets the opposition in. This is shown by the fact that we don’t face many shots at all, but still concede quite a few. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 9, 2024 23:26:21 GMT 1
It's becoming difficult to defend him now. Poor signings aside he seems totally unable to motivate them or get them playing any kind of recognisable and consistent system. We're 8th due to having better players than most teams in the league. He's only got this god awful 5 at the back system that he just can't make work. Midfield looks crap no matter who plays there. There maybe issues with players, confidence, motivation, mindset but it's the managers job to sort all of that out. Looking like another dud unfortunately. Rhys Healey basically says this in his post match interview. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2024 23:26:39 GMT 1
It's becoming difficult to defend him now. Poor signings aside he seems totally unable to motivate them or get them playing any kind of recognisable and consistent system. We're 8th due to having better players than most teams in the league. He's only got this god awful 5 at the back system that he just can't make work. Midfield looks crap no matter who plays there. There maybe issues with players, confidence, motivation, mindset but it's the managers job to sort all of that out. Looking like another dud unfortunately. Rhys Healey basically says this in his post match interview. What did he say ?! |
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 9, 2024 23:28:55 GMT 1
I can’t remember the last decent side to play it. Pretty much anyone playing 3 at the back is playing 343. Used to enjoy watching Chris Wilder's 3-5-2 at Sheff United. Baldock and Stevens wing backs with Basham and O'Connell the overlapping centre halves. If Duff could ever get Balker, Pearson and Helik/Lonwijk to start in a back three with Miller and Sorensen as wing backs, I feel it wouldn't look too different. Still, he hasn't got those players available and he has to adapt to that better... That was all about the overlapping centre backs and it completely catching teams on the hop for a couple of years. Similar to how nobody knew how to play against Bielsa until they worked it after a while. Both sides fell off a cliff once it was ‘sussed’. Whilst yeah Balker and Lonwijk would be suitable wide centre backs I’m not sure them getting to the byline and putting crosses in is Duffs end game. But yeah good shout it was good whilst it lasted at Sheff U. |
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Post by htafcdreams on Nov 9, 2024 23:36:23 GMT 1
To me they just don’t look like a well coached, well drilled football side.
In recent games, if you’d said Duff has just landed and taken over the team, it seems like it on the pitch
To me if we continue as we are, Duff to move on in December ready for a new manager / signings in Jan
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 9, 2024 23:39:32 GMT 1
Rhys Healey basically says this in his post match interview. What did he say ?! Says…”no disrespect to Crawley and their quality, but we have players on the pitch, on the bench and who didn’t get selected who should be able to beat the beat them comfortably” |
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Post by Tiro on Nov 10, 2024 0:15:33 GMT 1
Says…”no disrespect to Crawley and their quality, but we have players on the pitch, on the bench and who didn’t get selected who should be able to beat the beat them comfortably” I don’t see the point you’re making whatsoever. I hear Healey making a point about the quality of our squad and how it should be head and shoulders above them, even those not selected and given a chance. |
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Post by Larry David on Nov 10, 2024 0:26:08 GMT 1
Duff seemed to be getting some jip from the fans near where we went into the terrace after the game. He has a habit of staring people out who criticise him. Bit of a snowflake when it comes to criticism to me.
He needs to start staring at himself in the mirror as that coaching performance was pathetic.
I am losing faith in this guy. The players I lost faith in last season but I hoped someone would some motivational and tactical nouse would at least get them playing decent football. I am not convinced at all.
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Post by thomo on Nov 10, 2024 8:54:19 GMT 1
Potentially 9 points from second if Brum win their game in hand. With 14 games gone, that's just an absolute disgrace. Playing so poorly again, it doesn't feel like we'll ever build any momentum with this guy. He's not the one to rebuild us
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Post by rockwall on Nov 10, 2024 9:41:53 GMT 1
Another thought is that we have a solid defence with a back 3 and we've scored in 12 of 14 league games this season. So I don't think the system has too much to do with us being shit. I'd say it's more down to our defenders being culpable of massive fuck ups and we are not particularly clinical either. To be clinical we have to also create chances. Sounds silly, but even though we have scored in 12 out of 14 games. We never look like scoring. Yet again, we are set up to not concede. We have zero idea what to do when we get into the final 3rd. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 10, 2024 9:44:34 GMT 1
Says…”no disrespect to Crawley and their quality, but we have players on the pitch, on the bench and who didn’t get selected who should be able to beat the beat them comfortably” I don’t see the point you’re making whatsoever. I hear Healey making a point about the quality of our squad and how it should be head and shoulders above them, even those not selected and given a chance. Exactly, but in typical DATM fashion, some twist words to suit their agenda. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Nov 10, 2024 10:32:29 GMT 1
Another thought is that we have a solid defence with a back 3 and we've scored in 12 of 14 league games this season. So I don't think the system has too much to do with us being shit. I'd say it's more down to our defenders being culpable of massive fuck ups and we are not particularly clinical either. To be clinical we have to also create chances. Sounds silly, but even though we have scored in 12 out of 14 games. We never look like scoring. Yet again, we are set up to not concede. We have zero idea what to do when we get into the final 3rd. Respectfully, I disagree. We create quite a few chances. What we don’t do is create sustained periods of pressure. Chances just happen, rather than a sequence of them. We don’t get on top and dominate games. It’s very stale and there’s no sense of us being on the brink of scoring. With the exception of the Bristol Rovers we haven’t had a spell of pressure where you’ve thought a goal has been coming. Which is different from not creating changes - the stats tell us we create plenty. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 10, 2024 10:35:42 GMT 1
To be clinical we have to also create chances. Sounds silly, but even though we have scored in 12 out of 14 games. We never look like scoring. Yet again, we are set up to not concede. We have zero idea what to do when we get into the final 3rd. Respectfully, I disagree. We create quite a few chances. What we don’t do is create sustained periods of pressure. Chances just happen, rather than a sequence of them. We don’t get on top and dominate games. It’s very stale and there’s no sense of us being on the brink of scoring. With the exception of the Bristol Rovers we haven’t had a spell of pressure where you’ve thought a goal has been coming. Which is different from not creating changes - the stats tell us we create plenty. Agree with most of that. I'd go even further and say out of those chances we create, how many end up being shots on goal? Chances created include interceptions, blocks etc. As you say, we never seem to have a spell of sustained pressure. We have a chance, and then it could be 10 minutes before our next one. I feel we are very laboured and every team looks quicker than us. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Nov 10, 2024 11:03:38 GMT 1
Respectfully, I disagree. We create quite a few chances. What we don’t do is create sustained periods of pressure. Chances just happen, rather than a sequence of them. We don’t get on top and dominate games. It’s very stale and there’s no sense of us being on the brink of scoring. With the exception of the Bristol Rovers we haven’t had a spell of pressure where you’ve thought a goal has been coming. Which is different from not creating changes - the stats tell us we create plenty. Agree with most of that. I'd go even further and say out of those chances we create, how many end up being shots on goal? Chances created include interceptions, blocks etc. As you say, we never seem to have a spell of sustained pressure. We have a chance, and then it could be 10 minutes before our next one. I feel we are very laboured and every team looks quicker than us. On that we agree. We are very one-dimensional. We lack outstanding attributes. I’ve said elsewhere that were like a meal with one ingredient. No pace, no particular power, no individual trickery, no presence in the air, no real ball-carriers, nobody breaking between lines - and nobody who has made a career of it. I’m hopeful Iorpenda might do just that, but he’s very much a kid who shouldn’t be put under too much pressure to be ‘that man’ when more senior professionals are not stepping up. We have the players to play one way. We can’t mix it up because we don’t have wingers or someone with an X-factor to come off the bench. We can change in a pinch, but by playing players out of position. Three signings - a target man and two wingers - could change thing hugely. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 10, 2024 11:07:03 GMT 1
Do we know what players Duff wants in an ideal / realistic world? How much input on the signings did he have, is he ‘going along’ with Carthorse or majorly involved in recruitment…….?
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Post by kimbo999 on Nov 10, 2024 11:11:24 GMT 1
The moving of Pearson from a central role is a big one for me think him as the central pin in this system makes us stronger, he looks better more commanding .Lees is shot gets caught out.
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 10, 2024 11:16:05 GMT 1
To be clinical we have to also create chances. Sounds silly, but even though we have scored in 12 out of 14 games. We never look like scoring. Yet again, we are set up to not concede. We have zero idea what to do when we get into the final 3rd. Respectfully, I disagree. We create quite a few chances. What we don’t do is create sustained periods of pressure. Chances just happen, rather than a sequence of them. We don’t get on top and dominate games. It’s very stale and there’s no sense of us being on the brink of scoring. With the exception of the Bristol Rovers we haven’t had a spell of pressure where you’ve thought a goal has been coming. Which is different from not creating changes - the stats tell us we create plenty. Agree with this, but I think it’s simply because the opposition are crap every week. In this league you can win games simply by being less crap than the opposition. Chances just happen because we don’t have to create, eventually the other side will fuck up and give you one. |
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Post by specialun on Nov 10, 2024 11:26:47 GMT 1
One positive - in every other game we conceded first this season haven’t we lost?
We at least stopped that stat
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Post by royrace on Nov 10, 2024 11:47:11 GMT 1
Do we know what players Duff wants in an ideal / realistic world? How much input on the signings did he have, is he ‘going along’ with Carthorse or majorly involved in recruitment…….? It feels to me he's playing Radulovic when he's not deserving of a place. He's mentioned the fact the club paid a lot of money for him almost as a justification for the fact there's a good player in there. I wonder if he's under pressure to justify the fee paid. |
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Post by crux on Nov 10, 2024 11:52:30 GMT 1
Do we know what players Duff wants in an ideal / realistic world? How much input on the signings did he have, is he ‘going along’ with Carthorse or majorly involved in recruitment…….? It feels to me he's playing Radulovic when he's not deserving of a place. He's mentioned the fact the club paid a lot of money for him almost as a justification for the fact there's a good player in there. I wonder if he's under pressure to justify the fee paid. I think it's just because he's the fittest striker we've got at the moment. If everyone was fit, Healey, Koroma, Marshall, Ward and even Ladapo would start in front of him - and up until the last couple of weeks I was supportive of Radulovic! By the time the next league game comes around he might be lucky to make the bench. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 10, 2024 11:56:41 GMT 1
The moving of Pearson from a central role is a big one for me think him as the central pin in this system makes us stronger, he looks better more commanding .Lees is shot gets caught out. Lees is about to turn 34 and seems to be constantly battling a calf issue. Once Helik and Balker are fully fit, surely Lees becomes fifth choice for one of those 3 centre back spots. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 10, 2024 12:05:51 GMT 1
The moving of Pearson from a central role is a big one for me think him as the central pin in this system makes us stronger, he looks better more commanding .Lees is shot gets caught out. Lees is about to turn 34 and seems to be constantly battling a calf issue. Once Helik and Balker are fully fit, surely Lees becomes fifth choice for one of those 3 centre back spots. I wouldn't think so mate, as even at the start of the season. Duff seemingly prefered Lees over Pearson. |
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