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Post by Convictatthemac on Nov 10, 2024 12:15:41 GMT 1
The moving of Pearson from a central role is a big one for me think him as the central pin in this system makes us stronger, he looks better more commanding .Lees is shot gets caught out. Lees is about to turn 34 and seems to be constantly battling a calf issue. Once Helik and Balker are fully fit, surely Lees becomes fifth choice for one of those 3 centre back spots. Replacing Lees with Helik doesn’t improve us. He’s just as slow and prone to mistakes. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 10, 2024 12:51:26 GMT 1
Lees is about to turn 34 and seems to be constantly battling a calf issue. Once Helik and Balker are fully fit, surely Lees becomes fifth choice for one of those 3 centre back spots. Replacing Lees with Helik doesn’t improve us. He’s just as slow and prone to mistakes. We would have our top scorer back again  |
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Post by benhomly on Nov 10, 2024 13:15:26 GMT 1
I really want to have a season without a change in manager as we have gone through way too many. I’ve been happy to give Duff the benefit of the doubt even though performances and results haven’t been great. He has still been finding out his best first 11 and we’ve had the odd injury. My confidence has been waning though and I do not think he will be able to turn it around. Even if we by some miracle get into the playoffs and go up I would not want him here next season. He does not play football I want to watch and the football he does play is ineffective. We rely on individual moments and having better players and we are definitely less than a sum of our parts. I think he needs to be given this season and 10 games into next. I'm not a massive fan but as others have said we can't keep sacking managers. The problem is we've now got a section of fans who've only seen us in the PL or Championship, they need to learn that that's not the norm. To be fair to him he hasn't been able to pick a full side to fit his system yet. Much as I like Pearson and Lees for their contributions over the years Duff can't be expected to play the way he wants with those 2 in the side. It's comical watching Pearson at times, when he receives the ball he'll just square it to Lees 90% of the time, 5% of the time he'll launch it up field for a dead ball or throw in and maybe 5% of the time he might actually complete a forward pass. Not sure Spencer fits the bill either, he's not a wing back and judging by his pathetic defending for their first goal yesterday he's not much of a full back either. One of the first things they teach a defender is don't dive in. IMO we can't really judge Duff until he's got everyone at his disposal or suitable back ups. We haven't got any back up in defence either at wing back or in the middle and the less said about our strike force the better. We need a fit Healey and a new striker in January. Koroma is not the answer, those 2 'headers' yesterday were embarrassing. Having said that Duff needs to stop having a swipe at the fans, he did it again yesterday. 'Am I happy with a point at Crawley? No, but people assume that you roll over these teams.' Clearly by people he means fans. He does it after virtually every game. We have our fair share of idiots following Town, we saw it first hand yesterday with 40+ year olds acting like complete dicks but then so does every club. The trouble is it seems to be rubbing off on the players as well. We scored both goals into the goal where the Town fans were and they didn't celebrate with the fans either time. That was an excellent following for a 500 mile round trip. |
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Post by dumbo on Nov 10, 2024 14:07:58 GMT 1
Give him this season AND 10 games into next no matter what is madness talk.
Duff needs to stop making excuses. He has the same weak mentality as the players. Always feeling sorry for himself and making excuses, never taking responsibility or changing anything.
I think Duff is a bang average coach, glued to a tactic that doesn't work and he won't take us forward long term.
I'd still give him the season, mainly because i think it's a write off anyway. But if he doesn't at least make the playoffs then he needs to go same day.
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 10, 2024 15:31:07 GMT 1
Give him this season AND 10 games into next no matter what is madness talk. Duff needs to stop making excuses. He has the same weak mentality as the players. Always feeling sorry for himself and making excuses, never taking responsibility or changing anything. I think Duff is a bang average coach, glued to a tactic that doesn't work and he won't take us forward long term. I'd still give him the season, mainly because i think it's a write off anyway. But if he doesn't at least make the playoffs then he needs to go same day. The turn of events I can most likely see is quite similar, except he gets sacked at the end of the season with us finishing 5-10 points shy of the playoffs. Everything about the current ownership shows they're more interested in how they're perceived than in what they actually do. So as a symbolic gesture they'll sack Duff because they want everyone to know their goal was promotion, even though they didn't get near. They will then fuck about and bungle the appointment of a successor, disrupting pre-season and restarting the whole wretched cycle. |
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 10, 2024 17:19:32 GMT 1
Listened to him talking at end of game on skip radio, normally go to toilet at that point, what garbage he spouted, then he mentioned that XG bollox, he knows 1 style like most managers these days,wow how goosed the once great game has become!!, the biggest insult in the modern day greed game is coming up in the next fixture🤮🤮
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Post by rockwall on Nov 10, 2024 18:26:17 GMT 1
Listened to him talking at end of game on skip radio, normally go to toilet at that point, what garbage he spouted, then he mentioned that XG bollox, he knows 1 style like most managers these days,wow how goosed the once great game has become!!, the biggest insult in the modern day greed game is coming up in the next fixture🤮🤮 The most pointless stat ever. Couldn't give a shit what the XG is. The most important stat is who puts the ball in the net the most. XG is all about ifs and buts. If Helik hadn't played a shit backpass to Nicholls we might have beaten Northampton. If Maxwell had left that throw against Tamworth the goal wouldn't have counted. But it's all alright as we had a higher XG. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Nov 10, 2024 18:51:04 GMT 1
Give him this season AND 10 games into next no matter what is madness talk. Duff needs to stop making excuses. He has the same weak mentality as the players. Always feeling sorry for himself and making excuses, never taking responsibility or changing anything. I think Duff is a bang average coach, glued to a tactic that doesn't work and he won't take us forward long term. I'd still give him the season, mainly because i think it's a write off anyway. But if he doesn't at least make the playoffs then he needs to go same day. If the club toss the season in mid-November then attendances will plummet and season card renewals will collapse. Nagle has given it the big one about targeting automatic promotion, so the club needs to do it. If we miss that target by a mile on top of getting relegated last season folk will just sack it off. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Nov 10, 2024 23:34:52 GMT 1
Listened to him talking at end of game on skip radio, normally go to toilet at that point, what garbage he spouted, then he mentioned that XG bollox, he knows 1 style like most managers these days,wow how goosed the once great game has become!!, the biggest insult in the modern day greed game is coming up in the next fixture🤮🤮 The most pointless stat ever. Couldn't give a shit what the XG is. The most important stat is who puts the ball in the net the most. XG is all about ifs and buts. If Helik hadn't played a shit backpass to Nicholls we might have beaten Northampton. If Maxwell had left that throw against Tamworth the goal wouldn't have counted. But it's all alright as we had a higher XG. Couldn’t agree more, had a few back and forwards with a poster (cannot remember their name) about this a while back. They tried to educate me on football and somehow explain that “the only stat that really matters is goals scored” isn’t true …madness. Just excuses for Duff and others to try and sound intelligent when talking about a pretty simple game. Is our group of 11 made up of mainly better players than the majority of other sides group of 11? Is our manager a good enough man manager to get his group of 11 playing to the best of their ability and give maximum effort? If yes to both then we have success, if no to one/both (as per town) we do not. Tactics etc come secondary, XG my arse. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 11, 2024 1:10:37 GMT 1
Says…”no disrespect to Crawley and their quality, but we have players on the pitch, on the bench and who didn’t get selected who should be able to beat the beat them comfortably” I don’t see the point you’re making whatsoever. I hear Healey making a point about the quality of our squad and how it should be head and shoulders above them, even those not selected and given a chance. The point is the squad quality of our individuals is recognised as head and shoulders above Crawley therefore whats the reason he thinks we didn’t win… |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 11, 2024 1:19:26 GMT 1
I don’t see the point you’re making whatsoever. I hear Healey making a point about the quality of our squad and how it should be head and shoulders above them, even those not selected and given a chance. Exactly, but in typical DATM fashion, some twist words to suit their agenda. What’s are you suggesting my agenda is? For clarity, Healey rightly says man for man we’re comfortably better than them, there’s a very simple follow up question which is “so why did we struggle to a draw”…& the answer is pretty obvious, and not that surprising given what we’ve seen pretty much through every game this season. We’re organised in a way that doesn’t get the best out of the players we have, that caps their ability to perform and get results…by a coaching team who seem incredibly naive tactically and systemically in their approach. You can look at the data data from any game this season and anyone with an inkling of technical understanding of the game can see it’s incompetent and totally non responsive. My agenda is we’ve got a coaching team in charge who is not going to get this club promoted despite having one of the top 4 or 5 squads in the league at his disposal…not interested in the “you can’t keep sacking managers” rhetoric, yes, you can and should rather than leave one in situ who simply doesn’t fit. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Nov 11, 2024 9:03:30 GMT 1
I don’t see the point you’re making whatsoever. I hear Healey making a point about the quality of our squad and how it should be head and shoulders above them, even those not selected and given a chance. The point is the squad quality of our individuals is recognised as head and shoulders above Crawley therefore whats the reason he thinks we didn’t win… I suppose there is a difference between being recognised as (who by?) and actually being. I don’t think there are many on here that would claim our squad to be anything other than the upper echelons of mediocre for this league. As I said earlier you need an 11 who is better than the majority of others in the league …. Fail. And a manager who is a good enough man manager/motivator to get the best out of said 11….Fail. |
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Post by Kenny irons on Nov 12, 2024 22:09:20 GMT 1
This guy is not for me in the slightest
I’m not a massive fan of sacking managers however Michael Duff doesn’t look like he can motivate these players and he will not adapt his formation when it’s not working
We are regressing at a fast rate and we are currently struggling against a bang average United u21 team.
He will then come out with XG and stats
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Post by andre2000 on Nov 13, 2024 0:15:21 GMT 1
Sounds like he had a few comments about the 1st half performance that he didn't think was acceptable. Players now have up to January to prove they are on the same page otherwise some will be out the door.
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Post by soapystevens on Nov 13, 2024 0:27:45 GMT 1
This guy is not for me in the slightest I’m not a massive fan of sacking managers however Michael Duff doesn’t look like he can motivate these players and he will not adapt his formation when it’s not working We are regressing at a fast rate and we are currently struggling against a bang average United u21 team. He will then come out with XG and stats He's not for me either simply because he is stubborn and thinks his way is best. We are just above average for this league and certainly not good enough for promotion and you lead be example, he is very quiet on the touchline and we are a very quiet side on the field. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Nov 13, 2024 1:39:48 GMT 1
This guy is not for me in the slightest I’m not a massive fan of sacking managers however Michael Duff doesn’t look like he can motivate these players and he will not adapt his formation when it’s not working We are regressing at a fast rate and we are currently struggling against a bang average United u21 team. He will then come out with XG and stats I get where you are coming from, but as the second half has shown we can play football. Its the players that need sacking. They can’t be arsed turning up, its been going on for years now and it has to stop. The players need to get their heads right or just leave the club because right now they are just stealing a living. |
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Post by griffa on Nov 13, 2024 7:59:16 GMT 1
Watched the game last night, very concerned about the amount of playing out from the back!
Far too predictable, why not mix not up clearances, rather than the obsession with playing this way.
Our ball retention is not good, we frequently give the ball away, in our own half!
Put's us under immediate pressure, as seen v Tamworth cup tie - UTT.
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Post by dezzly on Nov 13, 2024 9:47:11 GMT 1
This guy is not for me in the slightest I’m not a massive fan of sacking managers however Michael Duff doesn’t look like he can motivate these players and he will not adapt his formation when it’s not working We are regressing at a fast rate and we are currently struggling against a bang average United u21 team. He will then come out with XG and stats He's not for me either simply because he is stubborn and thinks his way is best. We are just above average for this league and certainly not good enough for promotion and you lead be example, he is very quiet on the touchline and we are a very quiet side on the field. I’d imagine he’s already made his mind up on a few but at times he’s almost forced to use them.But you’re right there will also be others that need to do more between now and January. I think give him some better tools to work with and he’ll do well for us. Not sure what people don’t like about him,honesty must not be very high on some peoples list. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 13, 2024 9:53:25 GMT 1
He's not for me either simply because he is stubborn and thinks his way is best. We are just above average for this league and certainly not good enough for promotion and you lead be example, he is very quiet on the touchline and we are a very quiet side on the field. I’d imagine he’s already made his mind up on a few but at times he’s almost forced to use them.But you’re right there will also be others that need to do more between now and January. I think give him some better tools to work with and he’ll do well for us. Not sure what people don’t like about him,honesty must not be very high on some peoples list. I think you know why some people haven’t taken to him, because he’s not called Neil… 😉 |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 13, 2024 9:54:19 GMT 1
Watched the game last night, very concerned about the amount of playing out from the back! Far too predictable, why not mix not up clearances, rather than the obsession with playing this way. Our ball retention is not good, we frequently give the ball away, in our own half! Put's us under immediate pressure, as seen v Tamworth cup tie - UTT. We don’t mix it up because simply put we don’t have players up top who are either which or strong or both.So it doesn’t stick nor do we get in behind regularly.Hence we try to work an opening out from the back to work up the pitch.Bojan can link up well but only if he’s got absolutely no challenge on him whatsoever,Marshall has qualities but hold up/link up is not one.Ward can do it but only when he feels like it,Healey just isn’t fit enough regularly enough and has lost his pace and koroma does both well at times and then seemingly has patches where he does neither.If you don’t have the playing it into someone option there on a consistent basis it’s either do what we do now and try work it(which can look tedious at times) or try go in behind,but with limited pace that often looks like we’re just kicking the ball away.🤷🏻 |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 13, 2024 9:56:02 GMT 1
I’d imagine he’s already made his mind up on a few but at times he’s almost forced to use them.But you’re right there will also be others that need to do more between now and January. I think give him some better tools to work with and he’ll do well for us. Not sure what people don’t like about him,honesty must not be very high on some peoples list. I think you know why some people haven’t taken to him, because he’s not called Neil… 😉 I shall not be getting into that endless debate.Though anyone who were to complain about duff football currently and try counter it with Warnock football being better then I’m really not getting into it. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 13, 2024 10:14:29 GMT 1
Maybe his middle name is Neil?
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 13, 2024 10:30:01 GMT 1
On Bojan, I agree he can link up play quite well and with a sustained partnership perhaps we may start to see more from him. It doesn't help having a merry-go-round of different strikers every week and striker partnerships are crucial.
He may well turn out to be useful foil for Healey if both can stay fit but he won't ever be a prolific goalscorer in this team.
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Post by mosher on Nov 13, 2024 14:25:32 GMT 1
I’d imagine he’s already made his mind up on a few but at times he’s almost forced to use them.But you’re right there will also be others that need to do more between now and January. I think give him some better tools to work with and he’ll do well for us. Not sure what people don’t like about him,honesty must not be very high on some peoples list. I think you know why some people haven’t taken to him, because he’s not called Neil… 😉 Precisely where some of the anti-Nagle stuff comes from too, because he had the nerve to argue with King Colin which led to the inevitable sacking/mutual termination, which led to Darren Bore and everything else that happened last season. Massive mistake by Nagle and crew which has seemingly tainted him forever in some posters' eyes. KN could give us all free season tickets next year, spend £35million in the summer, appoint the best manager in the world and give us all free beers whenever we lose and they'd still hate him. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 13, 2024 14:36:48 GMT 1
I think you know why some people haven’t taken to him, because he’s not called Neil… 😉 Precisely where some of the anti-Nagle stuff comes from too, because he had the nerve to argue with King Colin which led to the inevitable sacking/mutual termination, which led to Darren Bore and everything else that happened last season. Massive mistake by Nagle and crew which has seemingly tainted him forever in some posters' eyes. KN could give us all free season tickets next year, spend £35million in the summer, appoint the best manager in the world and give us all free beers whenever we lose and they'd still hate him. The opposing side is, he pushed Warnock out, relegated us, didn't overhaul the squad as promised in the summer, kept Cartwright on, continues to undermine managers on X and argue with fans. He could probably take us down to the national league and you would still stick up for him..... |
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Post by mosher on Nov 13, 2024 14:54:30 GMT 1
Precisely where some of the anti-Nagle stuff comes from too, because he had the nerve to argue with King Colin which led to the inevitable sacking/mutual termination, which led to Darren Bore and everything else that happened last season. Massive mistake by Nagle and crew which has seemingly tainted him forever in some posters' eyes. KN could give us all free season tickets next year, spend £35million in the summer, appoint the best manager in the world and give us all free beers whenever we lose and they'd still hate him. The opposing side is, he pushed Warnock out, relegated us, didn't overhaul the squad as promised in the summer, kept Cartwright on, continues to undermine managers on X and argue with fans. He could probably take us down to the national league and you would still stick up for him..... Believe me I fkn wouldn't. |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 13, 2024 15:23:51 GMT 1
I'm happy to give Duff more time, if only we can't keep sacking managers and I am not sure I would have any faith in those responsible to make a good choice.
What I did find odd, and I suppose it has been evident all season, is his detachment from the team. He refers to them as "them" rather than giving the impression they are his team. It might just be an approach but it doesn't give the impression of everyone in it together.
Last night was a good example of the problem we have at the moment. Two ways of playing. Disjointed and pedestrian to more urgent and purposeful (noting that the opposition was a bunch of talented kids who are probably a long way down the Man U pecking order). The fact that the players needed a bollocking to change things also raises questions i.e. why do they start with half arsed performances? How many bollockings do they need? At what point will we get some consistency?
There are too many loose ends at the moment and surely it is MD's role to tie things together?
People use the word "transition" about teams a lot. I am not sure if we are in transition or just muddling through?
These next few games have to be better/more consistent. I want to see, and hear, something that suggests things are actually coming together. That is why MD is here, isn't it?
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Post by dezzly on Nov 13, 2024 16:46:08 GMT 1
I'm happy to give Duff more time, if only we can't keep sacking managers and I am not sure I would have any faith in those responsible to make a good choice. What I did find odd, and I suppose it has been evident all season, is his detachment from the team. He refers to them as "them" rather than giving the impression they are his team. It might just be an approach but it doesn't give the impression of everyone in it together. Last night was a good example of the problem we have at the moment. Two ways of playing. Disjointed and pedestrian to more urgent and purposeful (noting that the opposition was a bunch of talented kids who are probably a long way down the Man U pecking order). The fact that the players needed a bollocking to change things also raises questions i.e. why do they start with half arsed performances? How many bollockings do they need? At what point will we get some consistency? There are too many loose ends at the moment and surely it is MD's role to tie things together? People use the word "transition" about teams a lot. I am not sure if we are in transition or just muddling through? These next few games have to be better/more consistent. I want to see, and hear, something that suggests things are actually coming together. That is why MD is here, isn't it? Transition/muddling through,it probably amounts to the same thing currently. He has a preferred system in 3-5-2 and we largely recruited to that.Though we didn’t get him the full toolset,no out and out striker that has a clean bill of health,consistency and quality at the level,or all three…or any pace with exception of koroma. Balker would/could have been a key component also adding more on the ball ability and pace. I also think squad wise he’s unable to change formation and have any faith in it. We’ve no out and out wingers or left back for 4-4-2 and you’d have to leave out one of Kane Kasumu or wiles in midfield who recently have probably been the most consistent performers. You could go 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but again the left back issue and could you trust Bojan,Healey or ward to post the central striker in confidence that they’d show any of the attributes I mentioned earlier. 3-4-3 you’ve sane issues as the 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 but you’ve again to leave out one of Kane wiles or Kasumu. I think he’s doing fairly well considering all the above plus the injury list plus the shaky mentality he’s inherited. I think in general he’s starting to get there but he’s probably 3/4 players and specific types of players short of being able to even try kick it up a notch. All just my opinion of course. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 13, 2024 16:49:43 GMT 1
Precisely where some of the anti-Nagle stuff comes from too, because he had the nerve to argue with King Colin which led to the inevitable sacking/mutual termination, which led to Darren Bore and everything else that happened last season. Massive mistake by Nagle and crew which has seemingly tainted him forever in some posters' eyes. KN could give us all free season tickets next year, spend £35million in the summer, appoint the best manager in the world and give us all free beers whenever we lose and they'd still hate him. The opposing side is, he pushed Warnock out, relegated us, didn't overhaul the squad as promised in the summer, kept Cartwright on, continues to undermine managers on X and argue with fans. He could probably take us down to the national league and you would still stick up for him..... What would "overhauling the squad as promised" look like in a way that satisfies you? The squad has been overhauled within the bounds of whats possible contract wise...and next summer we'll no doubt see the back of Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Ward, Turton, Ruffels, Helik, Koroma, Kasumu, High & Headley...who except for the last two will all be on contracts that made getting rid of them to the kind of club that would want players of their ilk pretty much impossible this summer just gone. You can't just force Newport or whoever to offer Helik a 3 year deal, and those on the list who will likely retire after leaving us aren't just going to walk away from their remaining year. |
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Post by griffa on Nov 14, 2024 7:30:43 GMT 1
Watched the game last night, very concerned about the amount of playing out from the back! Far too predictable, why not mix not up clearances, rather than the obsession with playing this way. Our ball retention is not good, we frequently give the ball away, in our own half! Put's us under immediate pressure, as seen v Tamworth cup tie - UTT. We don’t mix it up because simply put we don’t have players up top who are either which or strong or both.So it doesn’t stick nor do we get in behind regularly.Hence we try to work an opening out from the back to work up the pitch.Bojan can link up well but only if he’s got absolutely no challenge on him whatsoever,Marshall has qualities but hold up/link up is not one.Ward can do it but only when he feels like it,Healey just isn’t fit enough regularly enough and has lost his pace and koroma does both well at times and then seemingly has patches where he does neither.If you don’t have the playing it into someone option there on a consistent basis it’s either do what we do now and try work it(which can look tedious at times) or try go in behind,but with limited pace that often looks like we’re just kicking the ball away.🤷🏻 Totally disagree, we're far too predictable, we invite opposition players, to press immediately. Quality of our players, across the squad is poor, we look as though we only have Plan A, no B or C option. Want Duff to succeed, but his game management appears, not to be good - UTT. |
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