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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 14, 2024 10:28:46 GMT 1
The opposing side is, he pushed Warnock out, relegated us, didn't overhaul the squad as promised in the summer, kept Cartwright on, continues to undermine managers on X and argue with fans. He could probably take us down to the national league and you would still stick up for him..... What would "overhauling the squad as promised" look like in a way that satisfies you? The squad has been overhauled within the bounds of whats possible contract wise...and next summer we'll no doubt see the back of Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Ward, Turton, Ruffels, Helik, Koroma, Kasumu, High & Headley...who except for the last two will all be on contracts that made getting rid of them to the kind of club that would want players of their ilk pretty much impossible this summer just gone. You can't just force Newport or whoever to offer Helik a 3 year deal, and those on the list who will likely retire after leaving us aren't just going to walk away from their remaining year. Not suggesting it was ever going to be easy, unfortunately though it was insinuated multiple times there would be big changes. There wasn't we signed dross in January though under current leadership particularly Bojan, you need to include those in the list of one's that will need to try weed out too. Using Helik as an example though fairly dumb, although he hasn't looked as good this year we could have easily got money for him in the summer based on his 9 goals alone. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 14, 2024 10:57:23 GMT 1
What would "overhauling the squad as promised" look like in a way that satisfies you? The squad has been overhauled within the bounds of whats possible contract wise...and next summer we'll no doubt see the back of Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Ward, Turton, Ruffels, Helik, Koroma, Kasumu, High & Headley...who except for the last two will all be on contracts that made getting rid of them to the kind of club that would want players of their ilk pretty much impossible this summer just gone. You can't just force Newport or whoever to offer Helik a 3 year deal, and those on the list who will likely retire after leaving us aren't just going to walk away from their remaining year. Not suggesting it was ever going to be easy, unfortunately though it was insinuated multiple times there would be big changes. There wasn't we signed dross in January though under current leadership particularly Bojan, you need to include those in the list of one's that will need to try weed out too. Using Helik as an example though fairly dumb, although he hasn't looked as good this year we could have easily got money for him in the summer based on his 9 goals alone. Fairly dumb? There was NO interest in taking Helik from us this summer. |
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Post by ram on Nov 14, 2024 10:59:18 GMT 1
I don,t know if I am correct but,I do think it would be better if we had a manager who actually lives in the Huddersfield area.He keeps mentioning the players having the weekend off.I can.t help wondering if it is he who wants the weekend off to go home.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 14, 2024 11:22:16 GMT 1
Not suggesting it was ever going to be easy, unfortunately though it was insinuated multiple times there would be big changes. There wasn't we signed dross in January though under current leadership particularly Bojan, you need to include those in the list of one's that will need to try weed out too. Using Helik as an example though fairly dumb, although he hasn't looked as good this year we could have easily got money for him in the summer based on his 9 goals alone. Fairly dumb? There was NO interest in taking Helik from us this summer. And you know that how exactly? Also know how much we were asking for him? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 14, 2024 12:18:11 GMT 1
Fairly dumb? There was NO interest in taking Helik from us this summer. And you know that how exactly? Also know how much we were asking for him? Had there been 'interest' of a sensible nature, he would have gone. Fee offered and wages to match, Helik would not be here. Im not privvy to Towns business dealings but common sense tells you it would be the case. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 14, 2024 12:39:27 GMT 1
Fairly dumb? There was NO interest in taking Helik from us this summer. And you know that how exactly? Also know how much we were asking for him? Because Kevin Nagle said so and I have no reason to doubt him. |
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Post by Macduff on Nov 14, 2024 13:00:15 GMT 1
I don,t know if I am correct but,I do think it would be better if we had a manager who actually lives in the Huddersfield area.He keeps mentioning the players having the weekend off.I can.t help wondering if it is he who wants the weekend off to go home. Some of the players take the weekend off even when they're playing. |
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Post by ginner on Nov 14, 2024 13:28:36 GMT 1
I don,t know if I am correct but,I do think it would be better if we had a manager who actually lives in the Huddersfield area.He keeps mentioning the players having the weekend off.I can.t help wondering if it is he who wants the weekend off to go home. Almost every club in the prem and EFL if they have played on the Saturday have Sunday off just like you probably get at least a day off a week from your job. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 14, 2024 13:56:20 GMT 1
And you know that how exactly? Also know how much we were asking for him? Because Kevin Nagle said so and I have no reason to doubt him. He said we had offers for the players, you would think we would. But no offers were anywhere near the value , that we seem them as . The players in question were told this and were happy with it . |
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Post by willhudd on Nov 14, 2024 19:42:35 GMT 1
I don,t know if I am correct but,I do think it would be better if we had a manager who actually lives in the Huddersfield area.He keeps mentioning the players having the weekend off.I can.t help wondering if it is he who wants the weekend off to go home. Would you move your family 100's of miles for a job that has had 7 people sacked/resign from it in the previous 2 years;) He is down all the time and makes it work with his family like a lot of us on hers do with our own work life balance. Ps neil warnock did not face that accusation and he lived even further away and loved to give the players plenty of time off |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 15, 2024 7:13:26 GMT 1
We don’t mix it up because simply put we don’t have players up top who are either which or strong or both.So it doesn’t stick nor do we get in behind regularly.Hence we try to work an opening out from the back to work up the pitch.Bojan can link up well but only if he’s got absolutely no challenge on him whatsoever,Marshall has qualities but hold up/link up is not one.Ward can do it but only when he feels like it,Healey just isn’t fit enough regularly enough and has lost his pace and koroma does both well at times and then seemingly has patches where he does neither.If you don’t have the playing it into someone option there on a consistent basis it’s either do what we do now and try work it(which can look tedious at times) or try go in behind,but with limited pace that often looks like we’re just kicking the ball away.🤷🏻 Totally disagree, we're far too predictable, we invite opposition players, to press immediately. Quality of our players, across the squad is poor, we look as though we only have Plan A, no B or C option. Want Duff to succeed, but his game management appears, not to be good - UTT. All opinions I guess in that regard.I guess I see it as what would we do as plan B or C?There is always the old stick a centre half up top and loads balls up there I suppose,and there’s nothing wrong with that.Duff seemingly doesn’t want to do that.Maybe he could try it. That said the draw at Crawley for the last portion of the game he did go 4-4-2 and we did pile on a fair old amount of pressure,we didn’t take our chances though. There is always the flip side of that arguement though,if we had started the game from the first whistle with that in the intensity or the last 20 we wouldn’t have needed to change the formation,we scored the two goals still in the 3-5-2. For me it’s just about being at it all the time and we’ll beat most teams in this division even with this group of players.We drop off that from time to time.Mentioned in another post we struggle olayer wise to switch to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but we’re probably closer to being able to do it now than at any point in the season.I’d just question who plays centrally up top “on their own” and who plays left back. When January comes I’d be looking at a quality left back who can also play wing back,a striker with at least pace but preferably a physical one too and possibly a wide forward(we should test Peterborough’s resolve with a bid for poku,I suggested going for him last January) |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 15, 2024 7:15:54 GMT 1
I think you know why some people haven’t taken to him, because he’s not called Neil… 😉 Precisely where some of the anti-Nagle stuff comes from too, because he had the nerve to argue with King Colin which led to the inevitable sacking/mutual termination, which led to Darren Bore and everything else that happened last season. Massive mistake by Nagle and crew which has seemingly tainted him forever in some posters' eyes. KN could give us all free season tickets next year, spend £35million in the summer, appoint the best manager in the world and give us all free beers whenever we lose and they'd still hate him. Tbf on that one I don’t think all the anti nagle stuff comes from there.I like Kev but when he comments to fans on football specifically he ties himself in knots because contrary to what he thinks he isn’t the most knowledgeable. He is on all the other stuff but the football alone…he he is not. |
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Post by ram on Nov 15, 2024 10:23:22 GMT 1
I don,t know if I am correct but,I do think it would be better if we had a manager who actually lives in the Huddersfield area.He keeps mentioning the players having the weekend off.I can.t help wondering if it is he who wants the weekend off to go home. Would you move your family 100's of miles for a job that has had 7 people sacked/resign from it in the previous 2 years;) He is down all the time and makes it work with his family like a lot of us on hers do with our own work life balance. Ps neil warnock did not face that accusation and he lived even further away and loved to give the players plenty of time off Not asking him to do that am I! Cartwright should have found a manager who would be full time,therefore living closer to the ground |
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Post by detox on Nov 15, 2024 10:31:55 GMT 1
Would you move your family 100's of miles for a job that has had 7 people sacked/resign from it in the previous 2 years;) He is down all the time and makes it work with his family like a lot of us on hers do with our own work life balance. Ps neil warnock did not face that accusation and he lived even further away and loved to give the players plenty of time off Not asking him to do that am I! Cartwright should have found a manager who would be full time,therefore living closer to the ground I really don't think it makes any difference tbh. There's a substantial management structure in place that runs the various departments, training, physio, coaching etc..Duff doesn't need to be looking over their shoulder all day every day. Any decent manager in any business will ensure the department can run by itself. |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 15, 2024 11:03:04 GMT 1
Would you move your family 100's of miles for a job that has had 7 people sacked/resign from it in the previous 2 years;) He is down all the time and makes it work with his family like a lot of us on hers do with our own work life balance. Ps neil warnock did not face that accusation and he lived even further away and loved to give the players plenty of time off Not asking him to do that am I! Cartwright should have found a manager who would be full time,therefore living closer to the ground The players having time off thing really isn’t anything to worry about.Managers do it differently,it used to be common place now some of the modern coaches have them in virtually everyday.Why would they need to do that!Breeds resentment or you ask me. I listen to the undr the cosh podcast and almost to a man all the ex pros on there say it’s good for a squad. They played Saturday,will have had Sunday off,prepped Monday for Tuesday,player Tuesday then in for recovery session Tuesday before training Thursday/Friday before having the weekend off.Then on Monday for a full weeks training. Duffs not giving days off for personal reasons Is he it’s just something he believes works. Think the fact his family hasn’t moved and anyone mentioning that are looking for negatives as oppose to just seeing a negative before their own eyes(a performance etc) He’s done it at every club and it’s largely worked. |
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Post by willhudd on Nov 16, 2024 9:58:23 GMT 1
Would you move your family 100's of miles for a job that has had 7 people sacked/resign from it in the previous 2 years;) He is down all the time and makes it work with his family like a lot of us on hers do with our own work life balance. Ps neil warnock did not face that accusation and he lived even further away and loved to give the players plenty of time off Not asking him to do that am I! Cartwright should have found a manager who would be full time,therefore living closer to the ground Who would that have been? Personally would prefer the best candidate vs one who was maybe not as good but lived in Lindley;) |
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Post by ram on Nov 16, 2024 10:32:42 GMT 1
It goes without saying the manager has to be competent.I personally do not think Mr,Duff is the right man, wherever he lives.,and I don,t know who is either,with this rag-tag bunch of players Cartwright has assembled.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Nov 16, 2024 11:41:40 GMT 1
A recent manager relocated with his family from Germany. That demonstrated total commitment to Huddersfield Town.
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 16, 2024 12:05:58 GMT 1
A recent manager relocated with his family from Germany. That demonstrated total commitment to Huddersfield Town. ... eventually. |
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Post by dumbo on Nov 16, 2024 13:18:31 GMT 1
You can understand not wanting to move your family and kids every year or so. It's a lot of disruption.
Duff's mistake was setting up base in Cheltenham. Got to be one of the places in England with the least clubs nearby and with pretty bad transport links.
It does matter a little. Being away from your family 5 days a week is not ideal for him and getting the work life balance right is harder on both ends. No one will complain if results are right like with Warnock, but it's legitimate question when we are underperforming our stated targets.
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Post by Mav on Nov 16, 2024 14:52:37 GMT 1
You can understand not wanting to move your family and kids every year or so. It's a lot of disruption. Duff's mistake was setting up base in Cheltenham. Got to be one of the places in England with the least clubs nearby and with pretty bad transport links. It does matter a little. Being away from your family 5 days a week is not ideal for him and getting the work life balance right is harder on both ends. No one will complain if results are right like with Warnock, but it's legitimate question when we are underperforming our stated targets. Transport links are ok mate …. M5 at Cheltenham and Tewksbury. |
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Post by willhudd on Nov 16, 2024 14:59:30 GMT 1
It goes without saying the manager has to be competent.I personally do not think Mr,Duff is the right man, wherever he lives.,and I don,t know who is either,with this rag-tag bunch of players Cartwright has assembled. And there we have the reason for your post. Just be honest from the start and don't try to bring silly things in to have a dig. Totally within your rights to have that view |
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Post by dumbo on Nov 16, 2024 15:33:43 GMT 1
You can understand not wanting to move your family and kids every year or so. It's a lot of disruption. Duff's mistake was setting up base in Cheltenham. Got to be one of the places in England with the least clubs nearby and with pretty bad transport links. It does matter a little. Being away from your family 5 days a week is not ideal for him and getting the work life balance right is harder on both ends. No one will complain if results are right like with Warnock, but it's legitimate question when we are underperforming our stated targets. Transport links are ok mate …. M5 at Cheltenham and Tewksbury. Crap train links and no airport though. Could work/watch video analysis on both of those. |
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Post by softboy on Nov 16, 2024 16:23:00 GMT 1
He is paid to manage and so far he is doing ok, nothing better and nothing worse. We are in contention and if we can keep Wiles and Healy fit I believe we will get better. I couldn’t give a shit where he lives. And as for players if he has given them time of with their families it’s fair to me. Surely that’s much better for their mental health than hanging around the training ground when a number of them are missing. I
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Post by captainblack on Nov 17, 2024 8:52:43 GMT 1
He is paid to manage and so far he is doing ok, nothing better and nothing worse. We are in contention and if we can keep Wiles and Healy fit I believe we will get better. I couldn’t give a shit where he lives. And as for players if he has given them time of with their families it’s fair to me. Surely that’s much better for their mental health than hanging around the training ground when a number of them are missing. I Yes that about sums up Duff for me too, {he's doing o.k.} I think that maybe Town fans were expecting the team to be at least in the play off zone or even top two, admittedly we are not that far off at the moment. I hope that Duff will have some input in the January window. |
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Post by detox on Nov 17, 2024 9:53:14 GMT 1
You can understand not wanting to move your family and kids every year or so. It's a lot of disruption. Duff's mistake was setting up base in Cheltenham. Got to be one of the places in England with the least clubs nearby and with pretty bad transport links. It does matter a little. Being away from your family 5 days a week is not ideal for him and getting the work life balance right is harder on both ends. No one will complain if results are right like with Warnock, but it's legitimate question when we are underperforming our stated targets. Transport links are ok mate …. M5 at Cheltenham and Tewksbury. Cheltenham is on the direct cross country rail line Aberdeen to Penzance, going through Sheffield and Leeds too |
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Post by detox on Nov 17, 2024 10:00:34 GMT 1
He is paid to manage and so far he is doing ok, nothing better and nothing worse. We are in contention and if we can keep Wiles and Healy fit I believe we will get better. I couldn’t give a shit where he lives. And as for players if he has given them time of with their families it’s fair to me. Surely that’s much better for their mental health than hanging around the training ground when a number of them are missing. I Yes that about sums up Duff for me too, {he's doing o.k.} I think that maybe Town fans were expecting the team to be at least in the play off zone or even top two, admittedly we are not that far off at the moment. I hope that Duff will have some input in the January window. The underlying issues which Moore and Breitenreiter couldn't cope with haven't totally disappeared..there's still an issue in the squad beyond those of ability imo. Whoever the bad apples were/are haven't gone away and I dare say Duff will need another couple of transfer windows to finally sort this problem. He isn't a Warnock type of character and he's probably trying to change mindsets through a more gentle process but I think he's made progress. There is more to be done but the niggling lack of ability and commitment in the squad prevails...I hope KN finally coughs up some funds to make a real difference... |
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Post by royrace on Nov 17, 2024 15:00:44 GMT 1
Yes that about sums up Duff for me too, {he's doing o.k.} I think that maybe Town fans were expecting the team to be at least in the play off zone or even top two, admittedly we are not that far off at the moment. I hope that Duff will have some input in the January window. The underlying issues which Moore and Breitenreiter couldn't cope with haven't totally disappeared..there's still an issue in the squad beyond those of ability imo. Whoever the bad apples were/are haven't gone away and I dare say Duff will need another couple of transfer windows to finally sort this problem. He isn't a Warnock type of character and he's probably trying to change mindsets through a more gentle process but I think he's made progress. There is more to be done but the niggling lack of ability and commitment in the squad prevails...I hope KN finally coughs up some funds to make a real difference... I don't buy the bad apples line personally, many players have been added, many have left. It's the coaches job to create the culture in the dressing room, big part of the job. If he's not been able to do it then it means he's failed in one area of his remit. I tell you one culture that does prevail though and that's the culture of excuses. Sick of hearing them. It's been here since they took over so it's not difficult to fathom where it comes from. Human nature I suppose, we've failed, why is that? Is it my fault or someone else's? Owners job to see through it, hopefully he will soon and we can stop blaming everyone else for the performance on the pitch. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 17, 2024 17:49:35 GMT 1
The underlying issues which Moore and Breitenreiter couldn't cope with haven't totally disappeared..there's still an issue in the squad beyond those of ability imo. Whoever the bad apples were/are haven't gone away and I dare say Duff will need another couple of transfer windows to finally sort this problem. He isn't a Warnock type of character and he's probably trying to change mindsets through a more gentle process but I think he's made progress. There is more to be done but the niggling lack of ability and commitment in the squad prevails...I hope KN finally coughs up some funds to make a real difference... I don't buy the bad apples line personally, many players have been added, many have left. It's the coaches job to create the culture in the dressing room, big part of the job. If he's not been able to do it then it means he's failed in one area of his remit. I tell you one culture that does prevail though and that's the culture of excuses. Sick of hearing them. It's been here since they took over so it's not difficult to fathom where it comes from. Human nature I suppose, we've failed, why is that? Is it my fault or someone else's? Owners job to see through it, hopefully he will soon and we can stop blaming everyone else for the performance on the pitch. ….although you need present tense with ‘failing’ and not ‘failed’ with Duff. He’s not even half way through his first season and the project is nowhere near done or finished…. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 17, 2024 18:21:44 GMT 1
The underlying issues which Moore and Breitenreiter couldn't cope with haven't totally disappeared..there's still an issue in the squad beyond those of ability imo. Whoever the bad apples were/are haven't gone away and I dare say Duff will need another couple of transfer windows to finally sort this problem. He isn't a Warnock type of character and he's probably trying to change mindsets through a more gentle process but I think he's made progress. There is more to be done but the niggling lack of ability and commitment in the squad prevails...I hope KN finally coughs up some funds to make a real difference... I don't buy the bad apples line personally, many players have been added, many have left. It's the coaches job to create the culture in the dressing room, big part of the job. If he's not been able to do it then it means he's failed in one area of his remit. I tell you one culture that does prevail though and that's the culture of excuses. Sick of hearing them. It's been here since they took over so it's not difficult to fathom where it comes from. Human nature I suppose, we've failed, why is that? Is it my fault or someone else's? Owners job to see through it, hopefully he will soon and we can stop blaming everyone else for the performance on the pitch. well i am sorry to tell you buddy, the i don't buy we have some bad apples, i will have to dissapoint you. We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person. Mananger after manager has highlighted these facts, that we have people playing for us, that you woulnd't want in the trenches with you , as they just give up when things get too "hard" yet have the ego of a real superstar footballer. The squad dynamic is wrong and has being for the last 3/4 years . |
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