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Post by 28901 on Nov 17, 2024 18:37:25 GMT 1
I don't buy the bad apples line personally, many players have been added, many have left. It's the coaches job to create the culture in the dressing room, big part of the job. If he's not been able to do it then it means he's failed in one area of his remit. I tell you one culture that does prevail though and that's the culture of excuses. Sick of hearing them. It's been here since they took over so it's not difficult to fathom where it comes from. Human nature I suppose, we've failed, why is that? Is it my fault or someone else's? Owners job to see through it, hopefully he will soon and we can stop blaming everyone else for the performance on the pitch. well i am sorry to tell you buddy, the i don't buy we have some bad apples, i will have to dissapoint you. We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person. Mananger after manager has highlighted these facts, that we have people playing for us, that you woulnd't want in the trenches with you , as they just give up when things get too "hard" yet have the ego of a real superstar footballer. The squad dynamic is wrong and has being for the last 3/4 years . So you know all the players personally do you? |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 17, 2024 18:42:16 GMT 1
well i am sorry to tell you buddy, the i don't buy we have some bad apples, i will have to dissapoint you. We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person. Mananger after manager has highlighted these facts, that we have people playing for us, that you woulnd't want in the trenches with you , as they just give up when things get too "hard" yet have the ego of a real superstar footballer. The squad dynamic is wrong and has being for the last 3/4 years . So you know all the players personally do you? Come on you must have listened to their interviews? or watched them play , it tells you everything you need to know about ther apparent "character" or lack of most of the time. Plus manager after manager has commented about differing things that make it obvs, we for sure have players at town who don't really like football and are doing it just for a job i know that for a fact. This is why doing "just enough is ok" to them and they will not over stretch themselves for this reason. Town as a club have become like a comfy pair of socks to these guys, they like it as it is and anyone who wants to change it must be ignored such as Duff/AB etc, you either fall into line or you will be ignored anyways. The town players have got away with putting "some kind of preformance" in every 5/6 games and they like it this way and as i say if you listen to their interviews pre and post match its obvs that they aren't even hiding that fact . |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 18, 2024 1:20:55 GMT 1
I don't buy the bad apples line personally, many players have been added, many have left. It's the coaches job to create the culture in the dressing room, big part of the job. If he's not been able to do it then it means he's failed in one area of his remit. I tell you one culture that does prevail though and that's the culture of excuses. Sick of hearing them. It's been here since they took over so it's not difficult to fathom where it comes from. Human nature I suppose, we've failed, why is that? Is it my fault or someone else's? Owners job to see through it, hopefully he will soon and we can stop blaming everyone else for the performance on the pitch. well i am sorry to tell you buddy, the i don't buy we have some bad apples, i will have to dissapoint you. We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person. Mananger after manager has highlighted these facts, that we have people playing for us, that you woulnd't want in the trenches with you , as they just give up when things get too "hard" yet have the ego of a real superstar footballer. The squad dynamic is wrong and has being for the last 3/4 years . Specifically who? |
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2024 9:47:36 GMT 1
well i am sorry to tell you buddy, the i don't buy we have some bad apples, i will have to dissapoint you. We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person. Mananger after manager has highlighted these facts, that we have people playing for us, that you woulnd't want in the trenches with you , as they just give up when things get too "hard" yet have the ego of a real superstar footballer. The squad dynamic is wrong and has being for the last 3/4 years . So you know all the players personally do you? You understood all that?  |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 18, 2024 11:12:57 GMT 1
well i am sorry to tell you buddy, the i don't buy we have some bad apples, i will have to dissapoint you. We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person. Mananger after manager has highlighted these facts, that we have people playing for us, that you woulnd't want in the trenches with you , as they just give up when things get too "hard" yet have the ego of a real superstar footballer. The squad dynamic is wrong and has being for the last 3/4 years . Specifically who? can't name names, but when you watch and listen it becomes very obvs who. Manager after manager has highlighted issues, that in a sucessful football club don't happen, but are rife here and still are. I think town fans have to take the rose tinted glasses off and just accept , that we have players here still. That if your going to be sucessful , then they should not be here as it wont happen. You do not get the up and down preformances and lack of care within them , if you have the correct squad and mentaility within it. If you listen to the players talk, it becomes obvs who cares and simply who does not . Players have become comfy doing very little, anyone who demands more , such as AB and kind of Duff , will be ignored in the main. The squad needed overhauling and it didn't get it . |
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Post by drewden on Nov 18, 2024 12:07:58 GMT 1
can't name names, but when you watch and listen it becomes very obvs who. Manager after manager has highlighted issues, that in a sucessful football club don't happen, but are rife here and still are. I think town fans have to take the rose tinted glasses off and just accept , that we have players here still. That if your going to be sucessful , then they should not be here as it wont happen. You do not get the up and down preformances and lack of care within them , if you have the correct squad and mentaility within it. If you listen to the players talk, it becomes obvs who cares and simply who does not . Players have become comfy doing very little, anyone who demands more , such as AB and kind of Duff , will be ignored in the main. The squad needed overhauling and it didn't get it . You seem to have inside knowledge at the club, what you are saying is disgusting and and an insult to the supporters, obviously Nagle is not aware of the situation, the club needs a clear out if this is the case. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 18, 2024 12:09:10 GMT 1
can't name names, but when you watch and listen it becomes very obvs who. Manager after manager has highlighted issues, that in a sucessful football club don't happen, but are rife here and still are. I think town fans have to take the rose tinted glasses off and just accept , that we have players here still. That if your going to be sucessful , then they should not be here as it wont happen. You do not get the up and down preformances and lack of care within them , if you have the correct squad and mentaility within it. If you listen to the players talk, it becomes obvs who cares and simply who does not . Players have become comfy doing very little, anyone who demands more , such as AB and kind of Duff , will be ignored in the main. The squad needed overhauling and it didn't get it . So if you're not prepared to (why? its just an opinion, you wouldn't be betraying a confidence!), can someone else tell me who are the obvious bad apples then, as they're not obvious to me. All I see is some players who are trying their best within their capabilities that are limited for various reasons...age/athleticism/illness/technical ability/carrying injury etc etc etc. Its delusional to think that somehow we would be flying in the top 2 spots right now if only some unnamed but obvious bad apples got their fingers out or left. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 18, 2024 12:18:19 GMT 1
can't name names, but when you watch and listen it becomes very obvs who. Manager after manager has highlighted issues, that in a sucessful football club don't happen, but are rife here and still are. I think town fans have to take the rose tinted glasses off and just accept , that we have players here still. That if your going to be sucessful , then they should not be here as it wont happen. You do not get the up and down preformances and lack of care within them , if you have the correct squad and mentaility within it. If you listen to the players talk, it becomes obvs who cares and simply who does not . Players have become comfy doing very little, anyone who demands more , such as AB and kind of Duff , will be ignored in the main. The squad needed overhauling and it didn't get it . You seem to have inside knowledge at the club, what you are saying is disgusting and and an insult to the supporters, obviously Nagle is not aware of the situation, the club needs a clear out if this is the case. well mate Cartwright himself apparently was not aware and apparently still isn't , yet manager after manager spell it out loud and clear mate. AB said it loud, Duff has hinted and hinted like crazy at it since he arrived. As a town fan it hurts me to say i couldn't care less for this current squad. Non of them are worth wearing our shirt . If at the end of the season we have an overhaul, which is needed , i wont shed a tear about any of them leaving. The lack of supposed professionals at the club is a joke and it speaks loud and clear in our preformances and "apparent" injury record ....... The club has become a comfy pair of boots for some of these and they like it the way it is and don't want to change it . Why change ? you can do what you want when you want. OOOO if anyone questions anything just tell everyone there is too much pressure etc deflect , like they did last season. It was all Moores and AB's fault . Always got to find that blame , when the blame is and always has being the players. If we got an overhaul in the summer i am very confident, the consistency and professionalism level will go up . |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 18, 2024 12:29:03 GMT 1
can't name names, but when you watch and listen it becomes very obvs who. Manager after manager has highlighted issues, that in a sucessful football club don't happen, but are rife here and still are. I think town fans have to take the rose tinted glasses off and just accept , that we have players here still. That if your going to be sucessful , then they should not be here as it wont happen. You do not get the up and down preformances and lack of care within them , if you have the correct squad and mentaility within it. If you listen to the players talk, it becomes obvs who cares and simply who does not . Players have become comfy doing very little, anyone who demands more , such as AB and kind of Duff , will be ignored in the main. The squad needed overhauling and it didn't get it . Agreed, but as has been pointed out, you can't just get rid of players who are under contract. Who either don't want to move or no one is prepared to buy & offer them a similar wage to what they are on with us when they will potentially be free agents next season Helik, Pearson, Headley, Kasumu, Koroma, Lees, Turton, Ruffles, Ward, Maxwell & Hogg's contracts all end this season. The club have options on Helik, Turton and Kasumu. Not many clubs will come in for any of them when they could be free agents soon. Wiles, Healey, Nicholls, Chapman & Spencer are all contracted till 2026. Meaning it would have been very difficult to shift any of those in the summer. Bojan & Balker 'till 2027, making it virtually impossible to shift them last summer (especially with their injury records since signing). So we couldn't really get rid of many over the summer. And we couldn't bring loads more in or we would have had an over-inflated first team squad which would have caused it's own problems. Also your bad eggs are coming from within those 18 players. Half of those players (Helik, Pearson, Lees, Turton, Ruffles, Ward, Maxwell, Hogg, Nicholls) are senior professionals, with 100's of matches under their belts, playing for different clubs with different managers over a number of season. You've then the likes of Kasumu (who Duff has praised heavily as being an excellent pro), Wiles (who NW was a big fan of), Koroma, Healey & Balker who might not be senior pros, but are established professionals. The rest such as Headley, Champan & Spencer are just kids still who surely can't be bad eggs with such experience in the dressing room. I'm not so sure bad eggs is the correct term. I think it's more the looser mentality or the survivalist mentality that's the issue. There isn't a winning culture at the club, whereby ever single football match and indeed every single training session is about winning. To me that's what Duff is alluding to and trying to change. |
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 18, 2024 12:29:32 GMT 1
Well, this was the team that stunk the place out against Tamworth.
Maxwell, Lees, Pearson, Lonwijk, Kasumu, Headley, Iorpenda, Wiles, Turton, Ward, Radulovic.
Lonwijk, Wiles and Radulovic were signed by the current regime. Presumably any longstanding bad apples must be from the others. There were, of course, other new recruits available and on the bench if bad attitude was a problem
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 18, 2024 12:32:09 GMT 1
can't name names, but when you watch and listen it becomes very obvs who. Manager after manager has highlighted issues, that in a sucessful football club don't happen, but are rife here and still are. I think town fans have to take the rose tinted glasses off and just accept , that we have players here still. That if your going to be sucessful , then they should not be here as it wont happen. You do not get the up and down preformances and lack of care within them , if you have the correct squad and mentaility within it. If you listen to the players talk, it becomes obvs who cares and simply who does not . Players have become comfy doing very little, anyone who demands more , such as AB and kind of Duff , will be ignored in the main. The squad needed overhauling and it didn't get it . So if you're not prepared to (why? its just an opinion, you wouldn't be betraying a confidence!), can someone else tell me who are the obvious bad apples then, as they're not obvious to me. All I see is some players who are trying their best within their capabilities that are limited for various reasons...age/athleticism/illness/technical ability/carrying injury etc etc etc. Its delusional to think that somehow we would be flying in the top 2 spots right now if only some unnamed but obvious bad apples got their fingers out or left. If you have watched us over the past couple of seasons and enough games already this season, you cant help but see our issues regarding the lack of togetherness and the willingness to work hard and indeed to stand up and be counted. That we simply dont win a game if we go behind for this length of time is probably the biggest giveaway. The terrible after match interviews added to the obvious lack of co operation with head coaches and the cliques causing issues on and off the pitch that lead to a simple lack of 'care' in so many games isnt a secret, we were all watching it happen week in week out.🤔 I dont believe the club management has helped one iota but watching players on good money giving up so many times and the 'injuries' , type and length out, isnt normal.? If you cant stand the 'pressure' etc then stop taking the money and do something else for a living. If you admit the other team were more 'up for it' then you have issues.. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 18, 2024 12:40:08 GMT 1
It's pretty apparent that a shortcoming of this squad is its overly placid / meek balance, rather than a surfeit of dick heads.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 18, 2024 14:23:59 GMT 1
can't name names, but when you watch and listen it becomes very obvs who. Manager after manager has highlighted issues, that in a sucessful football club don't happen, but are rife here and still are. I think town fans have to take the rose tinted glasses off and just accept , that we have players here still. That if your going to be sucessful , then they should not be here as it wont happen. You do not get the up and down preformances and lack of care within them , if you have the correct squad and mentaility within it. If you listen to the players talk, it becomes obvs who cares and simply who does not . Players have become comfy doing very little, anyone who demands more , such as AB and kind of Duff , will be ignored in the main. The squad needed overhauling and it didn't get it . Agreed, but as has been pointed out, you can't just get rid of players who are under contract. Who either don't want to move or no one is prepared to buy & offer them a similar wage to what they are on with us when they will potentially be free agents next season Helik, Pearson, Headley, Kasumu, Koroma, Lees, Turton, Ruffles, Ward, Maxwell & Hogg's contracts all end this season. The club have options on Helik, Turton and Kasumu. Not many clubs will come in for any of them when they could be free agents soon. Wiles, Healey, Nicholls, Chapman & Spencer are all contracted till 2026. Meaning it would have been very difficult to shift any of those in the summer. Bojan & Balker 'till 2027, making it virtually impossible to shift them last summer (especially with their injury records since signing). So we couldn't really get rid of many over the summer. And we couldn't bring loads more in or we would have had an over-inflated first team squad which would have caused it's own problems. Also your bad eggs are coming from within those 18 players. Half of those players (Helik, Pearson, Lees, Turton, Ruffles, Ward, Maxwell, Hogg, Nicholls) are senior professionals, with 100's of matches under their belts, playing for different clubs with different managers over a number of season. You've then the likes of Kasumu (who Duff has praised heavily as being an excellent pro), Wiles (who NW was a big fan of), Koroma, Healey & Balker who might not be senior pros, but are established professionals. The rest such as Headley, Champan & Spencer are just kids still who surely can't be bad eggs with such experience in the dressing room. I'm not so sure bad eggs is the correct term. I think it's more the looser mentality or the survivalist mentality that's the issue. There isn't a winning culture at the club, whereby ever single football match and indeed every single training session is about winning. To me that's what Duff is alluding to and trying to change. This is kind of what i am pointing to, the idea that everything is now grand in the garden and hunky D . Is still not 100% correct. Everyone at the club is trying to spin it that the club is 100% moving forward , we are yet to get to this. Both in players's mentaility/ professionalism , but also off the field there are still things not right behind the scnes for sucess to occur and to be maintained. Every fan knows what these are. You can see it in how the team plays and how the club is running currently, Nagle knows it he just can't shout it out it seems. Duff as a manager has hinted at things that at a sucessful football club just do not happen , yet are still happening here . I this is why i am saying this, as people think you can just get rid of players whenever you want, you can't and there is more to a forward thinking progressive football club than just players . Look at the clubs that have gone on to be succesful , from it seems nowhere and you can see a huge difference between them and us. Overhaul of the squad is a starting point. |
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Post by detox on Nov 18, 2024 14:42:09 GMT 1
Looking for visible signs during games where players are getting frustrated with one another which might suggest some kind of fall out ? Players specifically not working hard enough, not covering for a team mate, not covering back...throwing their arms in the air in frustration (Wiles)...It's hard to say. Pearson who hoofs the ball downfield for a goal kick too often..is that a sign ? Tbh you'd think if there was a split in the camp, fists would be up...wouldn't they ? I've never heard of any punch ups between the 'tryers' and the slackers..the bad apples. It suggests it isn't so much 'attitude', because if ti was the players would sort it out..but more like plain old lack of ability..no matter how hard you're trying..now players might be a bit more sympathetic to that but ultimately 3, 4 or 5 players who just are unable to 'do it' week after week is down the Duff to leave out, isn't it ?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Nov 18, 2024 14:42:42 GMT 1
Agreed, but as has been pointed out, you can't just get rid of players who are under contract. Who either don't want to move or no one is prepared to buy & offer them a similar wage to what they are on with us when they will potentially be free agents next season Helik, Pearson, Headley, Kasumu, Koroma, Lees, Turton, Ruffles, Ward, Maxwell & Hogg's contracts all end this season. The club have options on Helik, Turton and Kasumu. Not many clubs will come in for any of them when they could be free agents soon. Wiles, Healey, Nicholls, Chapman & Spencer are all contracted till 2026. Meaning it would have been very difficult to shift any of those in the summer. Bojan & Balker 'till 2027, making it virtually impossible to shift them last summer (especially with their injury records since signing). So we couldn't really get rid of many over the summer. And we couldn't bring loads more in or we would have had an over-inflated first team squad which would have caused it's own problems. Also your bad eggs are coming from within those 18 players. Half of those players (Helik, Pearson, Lees, Turton, Ruffles, Ward, Maxwell, Hogg, Nicholls) are senior professionals, with 100's of matches under their belts, playing for different clubs with different managers over a number of season. You've then the likes of Kasumu (who Duff has praised heavily as being an excellent pro), Wiles (who NW was a big fan of), Koroma, Healey & Balker who might not be senior pros, but are established professionals. The rest such as Headley, Champan & Spencer are just kids still who surely can't be bad eggs with such experience in the dressing room. I'm not so sure bad eggs is the correct term. I think it's more the looser mentality or the survivalist mentality that's the issue. There isn't a winning culture at the club, whereby ever single football match and indeed every single training session is about winning. To me that's what Duff is alluding to and trying to change. This is kind of what i am pointing to, the idea that everything is now grand in the garden and hunky D . Is still not 100% correct. Everyone at the club is trying to spin it that the club is 100% moving forward , we are yet to get to this. Both in players's mentaility/ professionalism , but also off the field there are still things not right behind the scnes for sucess to occur and to be maintained. Every fan knows what these are. You can see it in how the team plays and how the club is running currently, Nagle knows it he just can't shout it out it seems. Duff as a manager has hinted at things that at a sucessful football club just do not happen , yet are still happening here . I this is why i am saying this, as people think you can just get rid of players whenever you want, you can't and there is more to a forward thinking progressive football club than just players . Look at the clubs that have gone on to be succesful , from it seems nowhere and you can see a huge difference between them and us. Overhaul of the squad is a starting point. The difference being Sparrow argues the issues reasonably and coherently, whereas you just witter on incessantly with your poorly written, semi-literate and repetitive opinions, masquerading your observations about how and what is said in player or manager interviews as “fact”. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 18, 2024 14:53:46 GMT 1
This is kind of what i am pointing to, the idea that everything is now grand in the garden and hunky D . Is still not 100% correct. Everyone at the club is trying to spin it that the club is 100% moving forward , we are yet to get to this. Both in players's mentaility/ professionalism , but also off the field there are still things not right behind the scnes for sucess to occur and to be maintained. Every fan knows what these are. You can see it in how the team plays and how the club is running currently, Nagle knows it he just can't shout it out it seems. Duff as a manager has hinted at things that at a sucessful football club just do not happen , yet are still happening here . I this is why i am saying this, as people think you can just get rid of players whenever you want, you can't and there is more to a forward thinking progressive football club than just players . Look at the clubs that have gone on to be succesful , from it seems nowhere and you can see a huge difference between them and us. Overhaul of the squad is a starting point. The difference being Sparrow argues the issues reasonably and coherently, whereas you just witter on incessantly with your poorly written, semi-literate and repetitive opinions, masquerading your observations about how and what is said in player or manager interviews as “fact”. wrong but thanks pal  |
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Post by Mav on Nov 18, 2024 15:03:36 GMT 1
The difference being Sparrow argues the issues reasonably and coherently, whereas you just witter on incessantly with your poorly written, semi-literate and repetitive opinions, masquerading your observations about how and what is said in player or manager interviews as “fact”. wrong but thanks pal Bells old lad …. Is what you are saying your opinion or based on fact? |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 18, 2024 15:12:32 GMT 1
wrong but thanks pal Bells old lad …. Is what you are saying your opinion or based on fact? mixture of both ,
Just off the top of my head a few facts, from this season alone , that point to bad mentaility as is.
Tom Lees in a presser, said the fans put too much pressure on the team, he feels there is too much pressure . He said this himself. Ben Wiles - Post Northampton said, " they out worked us today you know what i mean" Admitting you were outworked , without saying anything else, points to a bad mentaility .
This is without mentioning the amount of times just this season, Duff has talked about improving said mentaility. I could go on easily . But then you watch how up and down , but mainly down our prefromances and results have being over the last 18 if not more months and you wonder why ? It is rather obvs why.
There are so many examples that i could highlight , plus i do know some of the players through others or just themselves and some of the stuff that has gone on , explains why this club is where it is at. But some just blame manager after manager and that's that. What i am saying is it is a mixture of everything that has not been right now for 3 plus seasons.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Nov 18, 2024 16:39:52 GMT 1
I know one thing with this team, if they come up against a big physical side they can't match them and don't look up for a scrap which sometimes in football you have to do exactly that.
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Post by drewden on Nov 18, 2024 18:17:34 GMT 1
I know one thing with this team, if they come up against a big physical side they can't match them and don't look up for a scrap which sometimes in football you have to do exactly that. Bells Ringing, is explaining why there is no fight, he could be spot on in what he is saying. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 18, 2024 18:46:09 GMT 1
It's pretty apparent that a shortcoming of this squad is its overly placid / meek balance, rather than a surfeit of dick heads. This. The unusually meek and quiet nature of this team has been mentioned by both Duff and Warnock. The dickheads angle has only come from Breitenreiter. And the way I see it, our worst performances tend to come from a lack of guts above all else. |
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Post by drewden on Nov 18, 2024 19:07:39 GMT 1
It's pretty apparent that a shortcoming of this squad is its overly placid / meek balance, rather than a surfeit of dick heads. This. The unusually meek and quiet nature of this team has been mentioned by both Duff and Warnock. The dickheads angle has only come from Breitenreiter. And the way I see it, our worst performances tend to come from a lack of guts above all else. The question is, why is there a lack of guts in this team. Is it the manager, or the players themselves, like one poster is saying. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2024 19:12:32 GMT 1
This. The unusually meek and quiet nature of this team has been mentioned by both Duff and Warnock. The dickheads angle has only come from Breitenreiter. And the way I see it, our worst performances tend to come from a lack of guts above all else. The question is, why is there a lack of guts in this team. Is it the manager, or the players themselves, like one poster is saying. Myself, htafcokay and a few others have been saying it’s mostly the players for quite some time now, with varying responses Having a shite manager doesn’t help but if the players have no heart or are weak mentally then even a top manager like NW will struggle, as we saw in patches when Colin was in charge |
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Post by 28901 on Nov 18, 2024 21:13:59 GMT 1
This is kind of what i am pointing to, the idea that everything is now grand in the garden and hunky D . Is still not 100% correct. Everyone at the club is trying to spin it that the club is 100% moving forward , we are yet to get to this. Both in players's mentaility/ professionalism , but also off the field there are still things not right behind the scnes for sucess to occur and to be maintained. Every fan knows what these are. You can see it in how the team plays and how the club is running currently, Nagle knows it he just can't shout it out it seems. Duff as a manager has hinted at things that at a sucessful football club just do not happen , yet are still happening here . I this is why i am saying this, as people think you can just get rid of players whenever you want, you can't and there is more to a forward thinking progressive football club than just players . Look at the clubs that have gone on to be succesful , from it seems nowhere and you can see a huge difference between them and us. Overhaul of the squad is a starting point. The difference being Sparrow argues the issues reasonably and coherently, whereas you just witter on incessantly with your poorly written, semi-literate and repetitive opinions, masquerading your observations about how and what is said in player or manager interviews as “fact”. At last! I find it difficult to believe people responding to this garbage in a serious manner. |
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Post by 28901 on Nov 18, 2024 21:18:55 GMT 1
The question is, why is there a lack of guts in this team. Is it the manager, or the players themselves, like one poster is saying. Myself, htafcokay and a few others have been saying it’s mostly the players for quite some time now, with varying responses Having a shite manager doesn’t help but if the players have no heart or are weak mentally then even a top manager like NW will struggle, as we saw in patches when Colin was in charge There's no doubt the team has a soft underbelly and go to pieces occasionally. There's a lack of talking and leadership. That doesn't mean they're a bunch of dicks who go home laughing after a defeat. It's an issue that again can be pointed at the recruitment. |
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Post by 28901 on Nov 18, 2024 21:20:06 GMT 1
I know one thing with this team, if they come up against a big physical side they can't match them and don't look up for a scrap which sometimes in football you have to do exactly that. Bells Ringing, is explaining why there is no fight, he could be spot on in what he is saying. Is he? Thanks for the translation. |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 18, 2024 22:47:27 GMT 1
We all know the players struggle with fighting for each other, what on earth that's got to do with not want to have anything to do with them in the pub I have absolutely no idea?!
I'm not even convinced they're "bad eggs". The players that have been here a while and through these numerous managers are the likes of Lees, Helik, Nicholls, Hogg, Koroma, Ward, Pearson. None of which seem like "bad eggs" or have ever come across the way that was originally inferred.
I'm pretty convinced that the problem is the same one we've had for absolutely ages that there's no real leaders to pick us up and guide the rest of the team through games that aren't going well.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 18, 2024 23:29:31 GMT 1
We all know the players struggle with fighting for each other, what on earth that's got to do with not want to have anything to do with them in the pub I have absolutely no idea?! I'm not even convinced they're "bad eggs". The players that have been here a while and through these numerous managers are the likes of Lees, Helik, Nicholls, Hogg, Koroma, Ward, Pearson. None of which seem like "bad eggs" or have ever come across the way that was originally inferred. I'm pretty convinced that the problem is the same one we've had for absolutely ages that there's no real leaders to pick us up and guide the rest of the team through games that aren't going well. Im convinced we have the experience and the wages for leaders and others to actually go behind in a game and come back and win one or two at least??? Enough leaders and wages to take control on the pitch and sort out those who are not with the programme. Some of the many capitulations have passed the embarrassing stage. The amount of bodies we have had 'defending' when conceeding with nobody making a challenge at all tells me there has been a shitload of 'just doing enough' for far too long here. Its not the losing, quite often, too often its how we have lost. Yes its happened at other clubs, its not totally new to older Town fans but we are alledgedly in a better position than ever before in this division but it does just not seem like it. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 19, 2024 1:08:16 GMT 1
Meanwhile, we’ve lost one game in 8 and the defeat wasn’t played on grass!
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Nov 19, 2024 8:21:22 GMT 1
OK - I'm gonna score our regular players (who aren't new) on 'mental attitude' - and assess 'bad eggs' based on what I can see (ignoring any unsubstantiated rumour which may or may not be completely made up)
Nicholls 9 - the one real leader left who's still a definite starter (when fit) - also leads in a really positive way so defo no bad egg
Turton 7 - absolute top lad and a trier but just quietly gets on with things on the field - no leader but defo no bad egg
Spencer 7 - looks a good boy but still very young (and so very quiet) - and prone to repeated, similar mistakes - no bad egg
Pearson 7 - Great attitude and leads by example BUT ... for someone so experienced he is Sooooooo quiet in the back 4 - a great egg
Lees 5 - Similar to Pearson but so dour he'll never use his experience to inspire any younger players around him - thoroughly decent bloke though and no bad egg
Helik 7 - Pretty much same as Pearson & Lees - no vocal leader despite his experience and ability - again clearly no bad egg
Headley 3 - Looks mentally very, very weak and in his own world sometimes. Has strength, pace and skill but doesn't appear to understand the game at all. Doesn't make him a 'bad egg' though
Wiles 4 - Clearly has talent and puts effort in but I've seldom seen worse body language in a professional footballer - seems to have a permanent downer on himself. Decent lad though - no bad egg
Kasumu 7 - Clearly a trier who never shirks a tackle or the hard work - but quiet as a mouse. No bad egg
Koroma 3 - Lovely lad but mentally so soft - hence goes on runs of terrible form - after Crawley we all know he'll never head a ball properly again. Defo no bad egg
Radulovic 4 - Life and football has just been no fun for him here - runs around but is a complete misfit in English football - not seen anything to suggest a bad egg
Ward 5 - Hardest-working forward on the field but too injury prone (may or may not be mental - no-one knows). Certainly no bad egg - clearly very popular with his teammates - no bad egg
In summary - no bad eggs - and no leaders except our injured goalkeeper and, even then, he can only really help the defence out during a game. We've had a team of nice lads for a while - one or two of whom have the stomach for a fight but none who'll cajole and rally the less confident in the team.
Burgzorg and Thomas were clearly bad influences last season and maybe affected some of the more impressionable players but with them now gone, I'd say we're just quiet and a bit 'leaderless' rather then having any bad eggs.
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