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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 19, 2024 8:47:55 GMT 1
This. The unusually meek and quiet nature of this team has been mentioned by both Duff and Warnock. The dickheads angle has only come from Breitenreiter. And the way I see it, our worst performances tend to come from a lack of guts above all else. The question is, why is there a lack of guts in this team. Is it the manager, or the players themselves, like one poster is saying. Mainly the players. Not enough vocal leaders in the team, desperately lacking a positive and charismatic, Hefele-esque character to galvanise them. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 19, 2024 9:34:20 GMT 1
If only we had someone at the club who's job it was to ensure the squad has the correct balance including characters. With all the managers pointing out the issue it would be easy to recruit with it in mind.
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Post by mosher on Nov 19, 2024 9:46:07 GMT 1
Myself, htafcokay and a few others have been saying it’s mostly the players for quite some time now, with varying responses Having a shite manager doesn’t help but if the players have no heart or are weak mentally then even a top manager like NW will struggle, as we saw in patches when Colin was in charge There's no doubt the team has a soft underbelly and go to pieces occasionally. There's a lack of talking and leadership. That doesn't mean they're a bunch of dicks who go home laughing after a defeat. It's an issue that again can be pointed at the recruitment. Yeah I’ve never said they were a bunch of dicks, think I even mentioned a few times that Lees walling up Sorba was just one of those things that sometimes happens in a workplace with a mixture of personalities I certainly don’t agree with bells saying the squad is rife with dicks, you’ll always get one or two in a varied workforce but not loads like he/she seems to imply |
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Post by ram on Nov 19, 2024 11:00:56 GMT 1
If only we had someone at the club who's job it was to ensure the squad has the correct balance including characters. With all the managers pointing out the issue it would be easy to recruit with it in mind. Isn,t that what the DOF is supposed to do Roy?.Admittedly the one we have does not seem to be doing any of that! |
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Post by htafcdan on Nov 19, 2024 11:09:43 GMT 1
There's no doubt the team has a soft underbelly and go to pieces occasionally. There's a lack of talking and leadership. That doesn't mean they're a bunch of dicks who go home laughing after a defeat. It's an issue that again can be pointed at the recruitment. Yeah I’ve never said they were a bunch of dicks, think I even mentioned a few times that Lees walling up Sorba was just one of those things that sometimes happens in a workplace with a mixture of personalities I certainly don’t agree with bells saying the squad is rife with dicks, you’ll always get one or two in a varied workforce but not loads like he/she seems to imply What actually happened with lees and sorba? I know it kicked off under Breitenreiter but that’s all I heard |
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Post by terrier17 on Nov 19, 2024 11:19:40 GMT 1
Yeah I’ve never said they were a bunch of dicks, think I even mentioned a few times that Lees walling up Sorba was just one of those things that sometimes happens in a workplace with a mixture of personalities I certainly don’t agree with bells saying the squad is rife with dicks, you’ll always get one or two in a varied workforce but not loads like he/she seems to imply What actually happened with lees and sorba? I know it kicked off under Breitenreiter but that’s all I heard Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. |
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Post by htafcdan on Nov 19, 2024 11:29:54 GMT 1
What actually happened with lees and sorba? I know it kicked off under Breitenreiter but that’s all I heard Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. Wow! Never knew it was that bad, but not suprised with sorbas attitude at times |
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Post by mosher on Nov 19, 2024 12:19:12 GMT 1
What actually happened with lees and sorba? I know it kicked off under Breitenreiter but that’s all I heard Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. That's worse than I heard; I only heard he grabbed him round the throat and pushed him against a wall. Just shows how rumours gain traction and the real incident gets exaggerated. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 19, 2024 12:21:23 GMT 1
Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. That's worse than I heard; I only heard he grabbed him round the throat and pushed him against a wall. Just shows how rumours gain traction and the real incident gets exaggerated. ...and as far as we know, these are all rumours anyway........no hard facts that I can see |
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Post by mosher on Nov 19, 2024 12:40:24 GMT 1
That's worse than I heard; I only heard he grabbed him round the throat and pushed him against a wall. Just shows how rumours gain traction and the real incident gets exaggerated. ...and as far as we know, these are all rumours anyway........no hard facts that I can see Well, from someone I trust knows Lees punched Sorba after the Rovrum match under Buzz which wasn't the one I heard. The one I'd heard was grabbing round the throat after the Brum game. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 19, 2024 12:41:54 GMT 1
What actually happened with lees and sorba? I know it kicked off under Breitenreiter but that’s all I heard Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. Danny Ward tried to join in but he missed. |
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Post by terrier17 on Nov 19, 2024 12:48:46 GMT 1
Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. That's worse than I heard; I only heard he grabbed him round the throat and pushed him against a wall. Just shows how rumours gain traction and the real incident gets exaggerated. It came from the mouth of a senior member of the coaching staff at the time. |
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Post by dumbo on Nov 19, 2024 13:13:05 GMT 1
Uncommitted players.
There are a number of players that I imagine know (and some that want) their time here to be limited.
Pearson, Lees, Hogg, Ward, Ruffels, Turton etc are aging. Last season they we're not championship standard. This season they are out of contract and probably only have one more decent contract chance after us, some might retire. I'm not saying they are shirking or bad eggs, but understandable to be not 100% mentally bought in to Huddersfield/Duff and have an eye on the future.
Some don't want to be here. Thomas probably. I'd be surprised if Bojan would turn down any opportunity to move away.
Nicholls maybe another, to me he has looked less of a player since the Luton transfer rumours when they got promoted. Maybe a coincidence, but a similar thing looks to have happened with him at MK Dons. To be fair, at that time of Lutons promotion, he deserved a chance at the premier league and still now he is potentially far too good for league one.
Not bad eggs or even bad mentality, but too many players unfocused.
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Post by mosher on Nov 19, 2024 13:49:11 GMT 1
That's worse than I heard; I only heard he grabbed him round the throat and pushed him against a wall. Just shows how rumours gain traction and the real incident gets exaggerated. It came from the mouth of a senior member of the coaching staff at the time. Yep, post above. Had it confirmed by someone I trust to know for sure. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 19, 2024 14:00:40 GMT 1
Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. Danny Ward tried to join in but he missed. No, it was Healey, but he injured himself throwing the punch |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 19, 2024 14:15:31 GMT 1
I think it all depends on what you class, as bad mentaility or bad professionalism . Therefore what you count as good also depends on this. The amount of up and down preformances from the squad over the last 3 seasons, point to things that are simply wrong or not conducive to a happy and winning enviorment.
The list of things, that just seem odd at the club over the last 3 years are endless, one or two things that are off , then it can be sorted/ worked over. But as we have seen if more than this, then it will clearly start to effect things on the pitch.
As i have said just from listening to the players and managers comments, pre and post matches, there have being comments that just stand out to me as odd! When you are trying to be winning team. I am not even talking about AB main comments!
When watching the team play, how they react to things during the game, again it seems odd . An example of this is when we let a goal in, heads straight down back to the centre circle. Now when we had winning teams, under Wagner and CC this was not the case. There were players at least talking and encourging each other (hef under wanger) for example. This then goes further that there seems to a be total lack of support for the man on the ball. I have thought while watching this (do these guys even like each other haha ). I understand we have a quiet group of guys, but often you can hear a pin drop during the game.
Talking about above, just listening to interviews, things seem off. That is even before the stuff that i have got from good sources about how the players have "behaved" behind the scnes. Then you wonder why we are not being sucessful and it becomes obvious. This is due to the lack of leadership from the players quad never mind the manager. The players seem to have got comfy , doing what they wanted, when they wanted to. AB for example did try and lead and be less mate like, that just seemingly got overided and ignored yet Moore was just laughed at and insluted behind his back by the players for his methods for example.
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Nov 19, 2024 14:17:51 GMT 1
Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. That's worse than I heard; I only heard he grabbed him round the throat and pushed him against a wall. Just shows how rumours gain traction and the real incident gets exaggerated. Reminds me of living in Golcar. Fart there and by the time you speak to someone in Milnesbridge you've shit yer sen |
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Post by rickrast on Nov 19, 2024 14:50:38 GMT 1
What actually happened with lees and sorba? I know it kicked off under Breitenreiter but that’s all I heard Lees punched him in the face a couple of times in the changing room. Senior players didn’t intervene either. Ouch......Sore-ba! |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 19, 2024 15:18:22 GMT 1
Danny Ward tried to join in but he missed. No, it was Healey, but he injured himself throwing the punch Lee Nicholls took his gloves off, neatly stacked them, the top one fell off, he picked them up and restacked them, banged the soles of his boots on a goal post, untied and retied a shoe lace, started walking towards the fracas, looked at the clock, went back and put his gloves back on, asked if someone could help with the velcro on his gloves....everyone had gone home, so he kicked a ball as far as he could. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 19, 2024 15:36:25 GMT 1
If we are talking about Sorba , then we all know his move to Blackburn was players driven not the club as such ! He moved as the players couldn't stand him no longer . He came back with the same issues and believe it or not the squad still couldn't stand it ! Its hard to believe i know, but when a team is doing well (under CC) players can be put up with , when a team is not , then it simply falls apart in most cases. This is espcially when the player in question thinks they are the next comming of Jesus Christ and yet is not.
Big clubs with big ego players, the big ego players really have to be pulling up trees week in week out, its happened at United etc How many managers have kicked players out of the club for it ? Here in the end the club and players themselves did it.
The whole club basically fell out with iself and the professionalism fell off a club as a result.
Faking or how can i put it, "injuries" taking longer to heal (conviently) using it to miss matches (DW against man city)
Leaving games without even doing a cool down! or even a after match chat, just getting changed and bogging off
Players trying not to laugh during team meetings (DM) to the point of it becoming obvious they were taking it seriously.
At clubs its normal for the players to eat together, yet at ours this very rarely happens- heard little things that , unless its training they hardly speak to each other. (Duff is trying to change this)
After training it seems to be a race to leave the complex, probs a race to the golf course lol , but no one wants to stay around or do extra's . Which to me , sounds odd (then when you think who will run that extra yard in a game? well they don't even want to do a little bit of extra training or practise things!
O and Burgzorg demanding respect after a defeat and wanting to get into the stand!
Thats just off the top of my head.
These have all being said by manager or players
Just these little bits are not a winning culture at all , it makes it much harder to win like this.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Nov 19, 2024 16:49:40 GMT 1
If we are talking about Sorba , then we all know his move to Blackburn was players driven not the club as such ! He moved as the players couldn't stand him no longer . He came back with the same issues and believe it or not the squad still couldn't stand it ! Its hard to believe i know, but when a team is doing well (under CC) players can be put up with , when a team is not , then it simply falls apart in most cases. This is espcially when the player in question thinks they are the next comming of Jesus Christ and yet is not. Big clubs with big ego players, the big ego players really have to be pulling up trees week in week out, its happened at United etc How many managers have kicked players out of the club for it ? Here in the end the club and players themselves did it. The whole club basically fell out with iself and the professionalism fell off a club as a result. Faking or how can i put it, "injuries" taking longer to heal (conviently) using it to miss matches (DW against man city) Leaving games without even doing a cool down! or even a after match chat, just getting changed and bogging off Players trying not to laugh during team meetings (DM) to the point of it becoming obvious they were taking it seriously. At clubs its normal for the players to eat together, yet at ours this very rarely happens- heard little things that , unless its training they hardly speak to each other. (Duff is trying to change this) After training it seems to be a race to leave the complex, probs a race to the golf course lol , but no one wants to stay around or do extra's . Which to me , sounds odd (then when you think who will run that extra yard in a game? well they don't even want to do a little bit of extra training or practise things! O and Burgzorg demanding respect after a defeat and wanting to get into the stand! Thats just off the top of my head. These have all being said by manager or players Just these little bits are not a winning culture at all , it makes it much harder to win like this. But we've had massive turnover of players this calendar year Left in 2024; REG, Rhodes, Simpson, Rowe, Mahoney, Rudoni, Diarra, Nakayama, Jackson, Asterfield, Jones (with many more from the B team) plus on long term loan Hudlin, High, Harratt, Phillips and Thomas. So that's 11 permanently gone (plus Edwards and Matos end of loan) another 5 out on loan. Ayina looks frozen out. So nearly 20 moved on in form or another just this year In have come Healy, Radukovic, Balker, Evans, Sorensen, Kane, Miller and Lapado (8 full time) plus Marshall, Hodge and Lonwijk on loan - so 11 in www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110That's frankly a huge turnover in players with more to come this summer with Hogg, Ward, Maxwell, Lees, Pearson, Turton, Ruffells, Koroma, Kasumu, Helik and Headley all it would seem out of contract - www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/kader/verein/1110 . I would expect most to move on So basically in 18 months we'll have moved on close to 30 players! Whatever issues there may have been (and Warnock got a united dressing room as it would seem did CC). The reality is practically none of those players will still be on the books in 6 months time |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 19, 2024 17:58:37 GMT 1
If we are talking about Sorba , then we all know his move to Blackburn was players driven not the club as such ! He moved as the players couldn't stand him no longer . He came back with the same issues and believe it or not the squad still couldn't stand it ! Its hard to believe i know, but when a team is doing well (under CC) players can be put up with , when a team is not , then it simply falls apart in most cases. This is espcially when the player in question thinks they are the next comming of Jesus Christ and yet is not. Big clubs with big ego players, the big ego players really have to be pulling up trees week in week out, its happened at United etc How many managers have kicked players out of the club for it ? Here in the end the club and players themselves did it. The whole club basically fell out with iself and the professionalism fell off a club as a result. Faking or how can i put it, "injuries" taking longer to heal (conviently) using it to miss matches (DW against man city) Leaving games without even doing a cool down! or even a after match chat, just getting changed and bogging off Players trying not to laugh during team meetings (DM) to the point of it becoming obvious they were taking it seriously. At clubs its normal for the players to eat together, yet at ours this very rarely happens- heard little things that , unless its training they hardly speak to each other. (Duff is trying to change this) After training it seems to be a race to leave the complex, probs a race to the golf course lol , but no one wants to stay around or do extra's . Which to me , sounds odd (then when you think who will run that extra yard in a game? well they don't even want to do a little bit of extra training or practise things! O and Burgzorg demanding respect after a defeat and wanting to get into the stand! Thats just off the top of my head. These have all being said by manager or players Just these little bits are not a winning culture at all , it makes it much harder to win like this. But we've had massive turnover of players this calendar year Left in 2024; REG, Rhodes, Simpson, Rowe, Mahoney, Rudoni, Diarra, Nakayama, Jackson, Asterfield, Jones (with many more from the B team) plus on long term loan Hudlin, High, Harratt, Phillips and Thomas. So that's 11 permanently gone (plus Edwards and Matos end of loan) another 5 out on loan. Ayina looks frozen out. So nearly 20 moved on in form or another just this year In have come Healy, Radukovic, Balker, Evans, Sorensen, Kane, Miller and Lapado (8 full time) plus Marshall, Hodge and Lonwijk on loan - so 11 in www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110That's frankly a huge turnover in players with more to come this summer with Hogg, Ward, Maxwell, Lees, Pearson, Turton, Ruffells, Koroma, Kasumu, Helik and Headley all it would seem out of contract - www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/kader/verein/1110 . I would expect most to move on So basically in 18 months we'll have moved on close to 30 players! Whatever issues there may have been (and Warnock got a united dressing room as it would seem did CC). The reality is practically none of those players will still be on the books in 6 months time We will be moving another 30 players on if we keep on letting Cartwright buy players. We need leaders, ball players, pace and someone who can put the ball in the net. We just seem to replace a left back with another left back with no thought to the wider need of the squad. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 19, 2024 18:39:54 GMT 1
If we are talking about Sorba , then we all know his move to Blackburn was players driven not the club as such ! He moved as the players couldn't stand him no longer . He came back with the same issues and believe it or not the squad still couldn't stand it ! Its hard to believe i know, but when a team is doing well (under CC) players can be put up with , when a team is not , then it simply falls apart in most cases. This is espcially when the player in question thinks they are the next comming of Jesus Christ and yet is not. Big clubs with big ego players, the big ego players really have to be pulling up trees week in week out, its happened at United etc How many managers have kicked players out of the club for it ? Here in the end the club and players themselves did it. The whole club basically fell out with iself and the professionalism fell off a club as a result. Faking or how can i put it, "injuries" taking longer to heal (conviently) using it to miss matches (DW against man city) Leaving games without even doing a cool down! or even a after match chat, just getting changed and bogging off Players trying not to laugh during team meetings (DM) to the point of it becoming obvious they were taking it seriously. At clubs its normal for the players to eat together, yet at ours this very rarely happens- heard little things that , unless its training they hardly speak to each other. (Duff is trying to change this) After training it seems to be a race to leave the complex, probs a race to the golf course lol , but no one wants to stay around or do extra's . Which to me , sounds odd (then when you think who will run that extra yard in a game? well they don't even want to do a little bit of extra training or practise things! O and Burgzorg demanding respect after a defeat and wanting to get into the stand! Thats just off the top of my head. These have all being said by manager or players Just these little bits are not a winning culture at all , it makes it much harder to win like this. But we've had massive turnover of players this calendar year Left in 2024; REG, Rhodes, Simpson, Rowe, Mahoney, Rudoni, Diarra, Nakayama, Jackson, Asterfield, Jones (with many more from the B team) plus on long term loan Hudlin, High, Harratt, Phillips and Thomas. So that's 11 permanently gone (plus Edwards and Matos end of loan) another 5 out on loan. Ayina looks frozen out. So nearly 20 moved on in form or another just this year In have come Healy, Radukovic, Balker, Evans, Sorensen, Kane, Miller and Lapado (8 full time) plus Marshall, Hodge and Lonwijk on loan - so 11 in www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110That's frankly a huge turnover in players with more to come this summer with Hogg, Ward, Maxwell, Lees, Pearson, Turton, Ruffells, Koroma, Kasumu, Helik and Headley all it would seem out of contract - www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/kader/verein/1110 . I would expect most to move on So basically in 18 months we'll have moved on close to 30 players! Whatever issues there may have been (and Warnock got a united dressing room as it would seem did CC). The reality is practically none of those players will still be on the books in 6 months time Exactly, there is no tangible evidence whatsoever of some kind of fractured dressing room with a load of players taking the piss. What there is - is some whiny fans upset because they've looked at our team over summer, seen some players come in that they've never heard of but who get good write-ups, often performing in amongst a play off level team, and thought we'd more or less walk the league. From the "Where will we finish" poll - downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/119919/realistic-expectations-lg1-24-25 65% majority reckoning on playoffs or top two - thats a lot of fans who as things stand need there to be a reason why they possibly look like they're over-estimated things (even though playoffs does still look reasonably likely and even automatic is not completely unreachable). It was plainly obvious from pre-season performances (I include even huge victories like at Guiseley where there was incredible commentary suggesting such as Headley and Bojan were going to have brilliant seasons, where Headley found his level and Bojan wouldn't have stood out playing for Guiseley), and through that early run of victories (that came off the back of largely stuttering, '50%' type performances) that being a shoe-in to the play-offs was not even a given. We are where we are because of the squad we have. Nothing more. Its not the players fault that they're not good enough to win every game in League 1. They're NOT trying to be shit. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 19, 2024 19:30:04 GMT 1
Danny Ward tried to join in but he missed. No, it was Healey, but he injured himself throwing the punch Bojan started crying due to all the emotion. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 19, 2024 19:58:38 GMT 1
If we are talking about Sorba , then we all know his move to Blackburn was players driven not the club as such ! He moved as the players couldn't stand him no longer . He came back with the same issues and believe it or not the squad still couldn't stand it ! Its hard to believe i know, but when a team is doing well (under CC) players can be put up with , when a team is not , then it simply falls apart in most cases. This is espcially when the player in question thinks they are the next comming of Jesus Christ and yet is not. Big clubs with big ego players, the big ego players really have to be pulling up trees week in week out, its happened at United etc How many managers have kicked players out of the club for it ? Here in the end the club and players themselves did it. The whole club basically fell out with iself and the professionalism fell off a club as a result. Faking or how can i put it, "injuries" taking longer to heal (conviently) using it to miss matches (DW against man city) Leaving games without even doing a cool down! or even a after match chat, just getting changed and bogging off Players trying not to laugh during team meetings (DM) to the point of it becoming obvious they were taking it seriously. At clubs its normal for the players to eat together, yet at ours this very rarely happens- heard little things that , unless its training they hardly speak to each other. (Duff is trying to change this) After training it seems to be a race to leave the complex, probs a race to the golf course lol , but no one wants to stay around or do extra's . Which to me , sounds odd (then when you think who will run that extra yard in a game? well they don't even want to do a little bit of extra training or practise things! O and Burgzorg demanding respect after a defeat and wanting to get into the stand! Thats just off the top of my head. These have all being said by manager or players Just these little bits are not a winning culture at all , it makes it much harder to win like this. But we've had massive turnover of players this calendar year Left in 2024; REG, Rhodes, Simpson, Rowe, Mahoney, Rudoni, Diarra, Nakayama, Jackson, Asterfield, Jones (with many more from the B team) plus on long term loan Hudlin, High, Harratt, Phillips and Thomas. So that's 11 permanently gone (plus Edwards and Matos end of loan) another 5 out on loan. Ayina looks frozen out. So nearly 20 moved on in form or another just this year In have come Healy, Radukovic, Balker, Evans, Sorensen, Kane, Miller and Lapado (8 full time) plus Marshall, Hodge and Lonwijk on loan - so 11 in www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110That's frankly a huge turnover in players with more to come this summer with Hogg, Ward, Maxwell, Lees, Pearson, Turton, Ruffells, Koroma, Kasumu, Helik and Headley all it would seem out of contract - www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/kader/verein/1110 . I would expect most to move on So basically in 18 months we'll have moved on close to 30 players! Whatever issues there may have been (and Warnock got a united dressing room as it would seem did CC). The reality is practically none of those players will still be on the books in 6 months time I understand your point mate, but a lot of the bulk of the squad has stayed the same. Plus it seems the mindset side of things becomes inset over time unless you get a massive clear out and a real freshness.
we have 13 players , who have been here for at least 18 months and that losing mentaility and the reasons for this has become it seems inset. I like many are hoping at the end of the season we get a major fresh start. When you have such a bad season as last season was, both on and off the field, you need a overhaul to change the culture . A few fresh players wont fix something deep like this , it needs more. This seemingly couldn't happen this summer, but am sure it will next summer regardless of division.
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Post by giveusanaitch on Nov 19, 2024 20:04:42 GMT 1
Whether you like it or not is irrespective but last night I watched the latest instalment of Under the Cosh with Gareth Ainsworth. The language and the method with which him and Duff present the building of culture within a football club is almost symmetrical. Herein lies the problem for me. And I appreciate my upbringing and social norms will impact my view but Ainsworth came across so much better. There was an energy, a bounce to his conversation and a genuine positive feeling around the way he was speaking. His inclination for music no doubt plays a massive bias on my part but I never took to Duff's communication right from the start. He almost comes across as the supermarket tannoy assistant who is trying to close the shop - and that's even when we've won. If you could be arsed delving I'm sure there are similar comparisons with Warnock, Breitenreiter and Moore to what they were saying (and some of it has been highlighted) but the transfer of that surely comes from the individual and the example they set. Carlos sometimes jargonized and probably has a different culture, but he had energy and passion for getting the most out of the group. I still believe he'll get us up but that's more through the players experience and playing level than his way. I'll be shocked if come Christmas 2025 he's still in the building.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 19, 2024 23:35:56 GMT 1
Whether you like it or not is irrespective but last night I watched the latest instalment of Under the Cosh with Gareth Ainsworth. The language and the method with which him and Duff present the building of culture within a football club is almost symmetrical. Herein lies the problem for me. And I appreciate my upbringing and social norms will impact my view but Ainsworth came across so much better. There was an energy, a bounce to his conversation and a genuine positive feeling around the way he was speaking. His inclination for music no doubt plays a massive bias on my part but I never took to Duff's communication right from the start. He almost comes across as the supermarket tannoy assistant who is trying to close the shop - and that's even when we've won. If you could be arsed delving I'm sure there are similar comparisons with Warnock, Breitenreiter and Moore to what they were saying (and some of it has been highlighted) but the transfer of that surely comes from the individual and the example they set. Carlos sometimes jargonized and probably has a different culture, but he had energy and passion for getting the most out of the group. I still believe he'll get us up but that's more through the players experience and playing level than his way. I'll be shocked if come Christmas 2025 he's still in the building. So when we are crap it's the manager, but if we do well it's the players? |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 20, 2024 0:26:51 GMT 1
No, it was Healey, but he injured himself throwing the punch Bojan started crying due to all the emotion. Hogg didn’t really know what was going on, so he pointed at Brodie Spencer and started shouting at him. Kasumu ran from 40 yards away to join the melee, but when he got there he forgot what he was supposed to be doing. Whilst this was all happening, Duff folded his arms. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 20, 2024 0:32:10 GMT 1
But we've had massive turnover of players this calendar year Left in 2024; REG, Rhodes, Simpson, Rowe, Mahoney, Rudoni, Diarra, Nakayama, Jackson, Asterfield, Jones (with many more from the B team) plus on long term loan Hudlin, High, Harratt, Phillips and Thomas. So that's 11 permanently gone (plus Edwards and Matos end of loan) another 5 out on loan. Ayina looks frozen out. So nearly 20 moved on in form or another just this year In have come Healy, Radukovic, Balker, Evans, Sorensen, Kane, Miller and Lapado (8 full time) plus Marshall, Hodge and Lonwijk on loan - so 11 in www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110That's frankly a huge turnover in players with more to come this summer with Hogg, Ward, Maxwell, Lees, Pearson, Turton, Ruffells, Koroma, Kasumu, Helik and Headley all it would seem out of contract - www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/kader/verein/1110 . I would expect most to move on So basically in 18 months we'll have moved on close to 30 players! Whatever issues there may have been (and Warnock got a united dressing room as it would seem did CC). The reality is practically none of those players will still be on the books in 6 months time I understand your point mate, but a lot of the bulk of the squad has stayed the same. Plus it seems the mindset side of things becomes inset over time unless you get a massive clear out and a real freshness.
we have 13 players , who have been here for at least 18 months and that losing mentaility and the reasons for this has become it seems inset. I like many are hoping at the end of the season we get a major fresh start. When you have such a bad season as last season was, both on and off the field, you need an overhaul to change the culture . A few fresh players wont fix something deep like this , it needs more. This seemingly couldn't happen this summer, but am sure it will next summer regardless of division.
Losing mentality?! How many have we lost in the last 8 games in all competitions? ONE. Where do we stand in the League 1 form table? SECOND. If that’s losing mentality, let’s be having more of it! You’re obviously set in your position even though it’s bonkers with no basis in reality or truth, give it a rest 🤷♂️ |
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Post by giveusanaitch on Nov 20, 2024 0:34:33 GMT 1
Whether you like it or not is irrespective but last night I watched the latest instalment of Under the Cosh with Gareth Ainsworth. The language and the method with which him and Duff present the building of culture within a football club is almost symmetrical. Herein lies the problem for me. And I appreciate my upbringing and social norms will impact my view but Ainsworth came across so much better. There was an energy, a bounce to his conversation and a genuine positive feeling around the way he was speaking. His inclination for music no doubt plays a massive bias on my part but I never took to Duff's communication right from the start. He almost comes across as the supermarket tannoy assistant who is trying to close the shop - and that's even when we've won. If you could be arsed delving I'm sure there are similar comparisons with Warnock, Breitenreiter and Moore to what they were saying (and some of it has been highlighted) but the transfer of that surely comes from the individual and the example they set. Carlos sometimes jargonized and probably has a different culture, but he had energy and passion for getting the most out of the group. I still believe he'll get us up but that's more through the players experience and playing level than his way. I'll be shocked if come Christmas 2025 he's still in the building. So when we are crap it's the manager, but if we do well it's the players? No. They're interwoven. But the one setting the intentions has to get the players connected holistically. I held a few conversations with Moore and whatever biases may exist, he didn't inspire me. And I'm on the outside with "less knowledge". I equally held conversations with Carlos and although some of his ideas didn't translate to me I felt his conversation meaningful and wanted to know more. |
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