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Post by htafcokay on May 31, 2024 12:21:18 GMT 1
Anybody who believes they would simply write off millions wouldn’t have the ability, bar a lottery win, to get those millions in the first place. Have people on here never met anyone super wealthy? Different breed (good and bad). Nobody was asking him to write it off, just accept what he had spent and not start demanding a refund. Very different. He ran the club, funded it, enjoyed it and in the end it wasn't worth much more than he paid for it and way less than he'd spent so zero roi. That's all on him and that's football. To expect his money back was unrealistic (and some other things) and impacted the future success of the football club to the point it almost went into admin, that was caused by him chasing the money.
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Post by ldotm on May 31, 2024 12:24:39 GMT 1
I certainly wouldn't. It's a hell of a lot of money. At least you're honest mate, most people would say they would even if they KNEW they wouldn't. Which is the main reason I put the second line about not knowing until you're in that position. Your second sentence is spot on.. easy to say what you’d do in other people’s shoes. |
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Post by Justasmithers on May 31, 2024 13:05:12 GMT 1
Next time, please ask: Favourite Beatles album? Top 5 Beatles songs? Favourite Beatle? Judgement will be made on those answers. Let the amateur psychoanalysis begin … Thanks! 😁 I’ll answer just for me: (And these are insanely tough questions to wrestle with) 1. I’ll say Magical Mystery Tour, but let me explain- obviously Pepper is the go to, and I get it. White Album, Rubber Soul, Revolver……but MMT is just so criminally underrated. It’s almost looked at as a gimmick album, pieces of another album, but when you look at the work and iconic songs from it, it really should get more credit. And it was right in the middle of the absolute creative HEATER they went on, most creative output in a short time frame in musical history. 2. Top 5, yikes. Like picking between my children…. (In no order) 1. Eleanor Rigby: the strings in the background, the heartbreaking loneliness, the zenith of the band’s growth. Paul was never better creatively, and the song soars from the opening line 2. Hey Bullldog: often overlooked, just an old fashioned Beatles rocker. Maybe I’m biased because it really seemed Paul and John were having so much fun together, and nothing showcases John’s classic back of the throat growl like this song 3. Because: again, not on most lists, but I’m a voice and harmony guy. The showcasing of the falsettos, the unique song mechanics, showing that as usual they could design their own formatics and get away from the cookie cutter song structures of the day and still find success. 4. Something: My favorite Harrisong. Just a beautiful ballad that on its own would stand with anything out there. But when they cut into the “chorus”, culminating with Paul’s high harmony on “I don’t knowwwwwww” at the end? Goose bumps 5. Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/In the End: Over here in baseball, when someone hits a home run to win the game, we call it a walkoff. There is no greater walkoff than this triumvirate. The dueling solos (never done before), the line of “Boy, You’re Gonna Carry That Weight” (so prescient), and maybe the most iconic lyric in history “and in the end…..” But what really always got me was the joint harmonies to close the song- almost a throwback to their early bubblegum pop days, saying the the audience as they float away in the clouds “bye bye all and thank you for attending our show” as they  to us metaphorically with their voices. It just doesn’t get any better than that. So many honorable mentions, but “She’s leaving Home” (many don’t like this song, but again the falsetto work and beautiful harp, plus the song origins with Paul reading a story in the paper….) it always stuck with me “Lucy In the Sky…..” special caveat- not my favorite song, but as a kid I would turn the balance all the way to one side, and you could only hear the lyrics and bass. Makes it a whole different song, far more enjoyable. Way too many more to count, I hate this question 3. No way can I answer, but I CAN make an argument for three, and also love Ringo more than most (he didn’t have the vocal or writing talent, but an underrated drummer and often the adult in the room when Mr. Epstein passed). John- the older brother, the coolest by far, the tastemaker Paul- probably the best Beatle all around if I’m being honest, still going today. The middle brother trying to get out of John’s shadow. I think history shows his singing/songwriting is unmatched. Watching him pull “Get Back” out of nowhere in the latest doc is the coolest musical thing I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. George- the most underrated Beatle. The baby brother. We will never know just how insanely talented he was because of the huge shadows he lived in, but what we DID see? Enough to make him an all time great artist. I mentioned “Something” earlier, obviously “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” is always brought up, but for me “My Sweet Lord” is quintessential George. Couldn’t have happened with the Beatles. Just lets all forget about “Within You, Without You”, and to be honest “I Got My Mind Set On You” (yes a catchy hit, but maybe the most cookie cutter thing he ever did from a song structure and repetitive scale). I’m going to go lie down now, that was stressful. |
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Post by dugnet on May 31, 2024 13:12:07 GMT 1
I think the Beatles are more revered in the USA than they are in the UK these days. Indeed most "classic" bands (classic rock if you like) are very much the domain of a certain demographic in the UK. What is perceived as classic and mainstream in the US is largely perceived as niche and well past it's sell by date in the UK.
NB: Not a view I subscribe to but I guess I fit into the demographic make up of those who still like loud guitars, blues based music of a different era. As with all music, each to their own - there's no such thing as bad music, just music you like more than others.
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Post by mosher on May 31, 2024 13:22:50 GMT 1
I think the Beatles are more revered in the USA than they are in the UK these days. Indeed most "classic" bands (classic rock if you like) are very much the domain of a certain demographic in the UK. What is perceived as classic and mainstream in the US is largely perceived as niche and well past it's sell by date in the UK. NB: Not a view I subscribe to but I guess I fit into the demographic make up of those who still like loud guitars, blues based music of a different era. As with all music, each to their own - there's no such thing as bad music, just music you like more than others.That's my belief too. Obviously people on here know my love of all things thrashy and (unlike Justasmithers) I'm not a huge Beatles fan (preferred the Stones but both are before my time and not high on my list of favourites) but I love some of their output, usually the more high-tempo stuff like Sgt Pepper and Helter Skelter. But as you say there's just music. Good and bad is such a matter of perception. I'm in a minority loving bands like Anthrax, Sepultura, Slayer and the like but I also like a vastly eclectic mix of other music genres. My CD collection ranges from Enya to White Zombie, via Jeff Wayne, Fleetwood Mac, Beethoven and Oasis. My MP3 player has songs by the likes of Rihanna alongside my usual thrash. I draw the line at Crazy Frog though  |
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Post by Justasmithers on May 31, 2024 13:28:38 GMT 1
I think the Beatles are more revered in the USA than they are in the UK these days. Indeed most "classic" bands (classic rock if you like) are very much the domain of a certain demographic in the UK. What is perceived as classic and mainstream in the US is largely perceived as niche and well past it's sell by date in the UK. NB: Not a view I subscribe to but I guess I fit into the demographic make up of those who still like loud guitars, blues based music of a different era. As with all music, each to their own - there's no such thing as bad music, just music you like more than others.That's my belief too. Obviously people on here know my love of all things thrashy and (unlike Justasmithers) I'm not a huge Beatles fan (preferred the Stones but both are before my time and not high on my list of favourites) but I love some of their output, usually the more high-tempo stuff like Sgt Pepper and Helter Skelter. But as you say there's just music. Good and bad is such a matter of perception. I'm in a minority loving bands like Anthrax, Sepultura, Slayer and the like but I also like a vastly eclectic mix of other music genres. My CD collection ranges from Enya to White Zombie, via Jeff Wayne, Fleetwood Mac, Beethoven and Oasis. My MP3 player has songs by the likes of Rihanna alongside my usual thrash. I draw the line at Crazy Frog though FYI- my era is grunge, Seattle just north of us. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are my favorites, Chris Cornell was a living God to me. Also went through my Guns n Roses days, love Journey, and don’t mind saying I’ve been to a few Coldplay shows and quite enjoyed them. |
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Post by workshyfop on May 31, 2024 13:29:42 GMT 1
Next time, please ask: Favourite Beatles album? Top 5 Beatles songs? Favourite Beatle? Judgement will be made on those answers. Let the amateur psychoanalysis begin … Thanks! 😁 I’ll answer just for me: (And these are insanely tough questions to wrestle with) 1. I’ll say Magical Mystery Tour, but let me explain- obviously Pepper is the go to, and I get it. White Album, Rubber Soul, Revolver……but MMT is just so criminally underrated. It’s almost looked at as a gimmick album, pieces of another album, but when you look at the work and iconic songs from it, it really should get more credit. And it was right in the middle of the absolute creative HEATER they went on, most creative output in a short time frame in musical history. 2. Top 5, yikes. Like picking between my children…. (In no order) 1. Eleanor Rigby: the strings in the background, the heartbreaking loneliness, the zenith of the band’s growth. Paul was never better creatively, and the song soars from the opening line 2. Hey Bullldog: often overlooked, just an old fashioned Beatles rocker. Maybe I’m biased because it really seemed Paul and John were having so much fun together, and nothing showcases John’s classic back of the throat growl like this song 3. Because: again, not on most lists, but I’m a voice and harmony guy. The showcasing of the falsettos, the unique song mechanics, showing that as usual they could design their own formatics and get away from the cookie cutter song structures of the day and still find success. 4. Something: My favorite Harrisong. Just a beautiful ballad that on its own would stand with anything out there. But when they cut into the “chorus”, culminating with Paul’s high harmony on “I don’t knowwwwwww” at the end? Goose bumps 5. Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/In the End: Over here in baseball, when someone hits a home run to win the game, we call it a walkoff. There is no greater walkoff than this triumvirate. The dueling solos (never done before), the line of “Boy, You’re Gonna Carry That Weight” (so prescient), and maybe the most iconic lyric in history “and in the end…..” But what really always got me was the joint harmonies to close the song- almost a throwback to their early bubblegum pop days, saying the the audience as they float away in the clouds “bye bye all and thank you for attending our show” as they to us metaphorically with their voices. It just doesn’t get any better than that. So many honorable mentions, but “She’s leaving Home” (many don’t like this song, but again the falsetto work and beautiful harp, plus the song origins with Paul reading a story in the paper….) it always stuck with me “Lucy In the Sky…..” special caveat- not my favorite song, but as a kid I would turn the balance all the way to one side, and you could only hear the lyrics and bass. Makes it a whole different song, far more enjoyable. Way too many more to count, I hate this question 3. No way can I answer, but I CAN make an argument for three, and also love Ringo more than most (he didn’t have the vocal or writing talent, but an underrated drummer and often the adult in the room when Mr. Epstein passed). John- the older brother, the coolest by far, the tastemaker Paul- probably the best Beatle all around if I’m being honest, still going today. The middle brother trying to get out of John’s shadow. I think history shows his singing/songwriting is unmatched. Watching him pull “Get Back” out of nowhere in the latest doc is the coolest musical thing I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. George- the most underrated Beatle. The baby brother. We will never know just how insanely talented he was because of the huge shadows he lived in, but what we DID see? Enough to make him an all time great artist. I mentioned “Something” earlier, obviously “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” is always brought up, but for me “My Sweet Lord” is quintessential George. Couldn’t have happened with the Beatles. Just lets all forget about “Within You, Without You”, and to be honest “I Got My Mind Set On You” (yes a catchy hit, but maybe the most cookie cutter thing he ever did from a song structure and repetitive scale). I’m going to go lie down now, that was stressful. Thank you for such a brilliant and detailed answer. You passed the test! I was fearing “Sgt Pepper”, “Yellow Submarine, Love Me Do …”, John. I find myself listening to Abbey Road and Let It Be most recently (probably as a result of the documentary). Agreed on “Golden Slumbers/Carry …” and “Something”. So difficult as they changed and evolved their sound so much and had more than one incredible songwriter. The ones I play most these days are: I Feel Fine You’ve Got to Hide Your Love Away Ticket to Ride And Your Bird Can Sing Got to Get You into My Life Happiness is a Warm Gun All You Need Is Love Across the Universe I’ve Got a Feeling Favourite Beatle would be tricky. 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Post by artysid on May 31, 2024 13:33:53 GMT 1
Do you / Kevin rate the spin offs Justasmithers ? Traveling Wilburys Wings (personally love Band on the Run LP) Thomas the Tank Engine |
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Post by mosher on May 31, 2024 13:45:19 GMT 1
That's my belief too. Obviously people on here know my love of all things thrashy and (unlike Justasmithers ) I'm not a huge Beatles fan (preferred the Stones but both are before my time and not high on my list of favourites) but I love some of their output, usually the more high-tempo stuff like Sgt Pepper and Helter Skelter. But as you say there's just music. Good and bad is such a matter of perception. I'm in a minority loving bands like Anthrax, Sepultura, Slayer and the like but I also like a vastly eclectic mix of other music genres. My CD collection ranges from Enya to White Zombie, via Jeff Wayne, Fleetwood Mac, Beethoven and Oasis. My MP3 player has songs by the likes of Rihanna alongside my usual thrash. I draw the line at Crazy Frog though FYI- my era is grunge, Seattle just north of us. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are my favorites, Chris Cornell was a living God to me. Also went through my Guns n Roses days, love Journey, and don’t mind saying I’ve been to a few Coldplay shows and quite enjoyed them. Black Hole Sun is on my MP3 player, one of my favourite ever songs. Although Nirvana garnered all the grunge headlines I always felt AIC, Soundgarden and others were better. Not to say Nirvana weren't good, they were, it's just they seemed to hoover up all the publicity. Coldplay? That's it you're blocked |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 31, 2024 13:54:50 GMT 1
Do you / Kevin rate the spin offs Justasmithers ? Traveling Wilburys Wings (personally love Band on the Run LP) Thomas the Tank Engine Frog Chorus is an absolute banger |
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Post by Justasmithers on May 31, 2024 13:54:51 GMT 1
FYI- my era is grunge, Seattle just north of us. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are my favorites, Chris Cornell was a living God to me. Also went through my Guns n Roses days, love Journey, and don’t mind saying I’ve been to a few Coldplay shows and quite enjoyed them. Black Hole Sun is on my MP3 player, one of my favourite ever songs. Although Nirvana garnered all the grunge headlines I always felt AIC, Soundgarden and others were better. Not to say Nirvana weren't good, they were, it's just they seemed to hoover up all the publicity. Coldplay? That's it you're blocked Haha I always get that with Coldplay, I have a feeling history will be kinder to them. Nirvana was great and deserves their flowers, but fact of the matter is Foo Fighters are actually a better band. I think just about any popular band can be cherry picked with great songs. I can’t stand Morissey or The Smiths for example, but “How Soon Is Now” is one of my favorite opening guitar riffs ever. Oasis is hit or miss for me, but “All Around the World” is one of my favorite modern anthems, I’m a sucker for key changes. Used to close out my old night show with that song. |
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Post by royrace on May 31, 2024 13:58:11 GMT 1
Nobody was asking him to write it off, just accept what he had spent and not start demanding a refund. Very different. He ran the club, funded it, enjoyed it and in the end it wasn't worth much more than he paid for it and way less than he'd spent so zero roi. That's all on him and that's football. To expect his money back was unrealistic (and some other things) and impacted the future success of the football club to the point it almost went into admin, that was caused by him chasing the money.No it didnt at all. Whether you think he should have wanted the money back or not, he didnt get the money back and had given up on even trying to get it back long before then. In fact the opposite had happened and he had been back to putting large amounts of his money INTO the club for some time. What almost put us into admin was him trying to move on from that situation of him having to put in large amounts of his money just to keep us going when he no longer wanted to own the club..ie using it as a threat to the major creditor so the club could be sold on to Nagle, as that major creditor ( Pure's administrator ) was stopping that happening. The situation would have been avoided had he have sold the club to someone who could afford it, for what it's true value was, instead of trying to recoup money he had put in. Would it not? |
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Post by royrace on May 31, 2024 14:02:47 GMT 1
Nobody was asking him to write it off, just accept what he had spent and not start demanding a refund. Very different. He ran the club, funded it, enjoyed it and in the end it wasn't worth much more than he paid for it and way less than he'd spent so zero roi. That's all on him and that's football. To expect his money back was unrealistic (and some other things) and impacted the future success of the football club to the point it almost went into admin, that was caused by him chasing the money.
It was caused by Phil Hodgkinson having no money. The club were NEVER in danger of going into administration, it was just a ruse by Hoyle to get the shares back. He admitted this and it's all on tape. Yes I'm aware of that, let's call it the situation then, the fact that the supposed admin was manufactured doesn't mean it was less of a shitty situation for the club to find itself in. Ok maybe a little less shitty. Was caused by the sale to Phil which was motivated by reluctance to sell the club for it's market value. |
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Post by mosher on May 31, 2024 14:16:15 GMT 1
Black Hole Sun is on my MP3 player, one of my favourite ever songs. Although Nirvana garnered all the grunge headlines I always felt AIC, Soundgarden and others were better. Not to say Nirvana weren't good, they were, it's just they seemed to hoover up all the publicity. Coldplay? That's it you're blocked Haha I always get that with Coldplay, I have a feeling history will be kinder to them. Nirvana was great and deserves their flowers, but fact of the matter is Foo Fighters are actually a better band. I think just about any popular band can be cherry picked with great songs. I can’t stand Morissey or The Smiths for example, but “How Soon Is Now” is one of my favorite opening guitar riffs ever. Oasis is hit or miss for me, but “All Around the World” is one of my favorite modern anthems, I’m a sucker for key changes. Used to close out my old night show with that song. Mate, that is one of the reasons I love Megadeth; the complexity of Mustaine's songwriting, note/key/chord changes, mixed with the SPEED he plays at just blows me away. I could NEVER master any of his riffs when I learned guitar. I remember reading an interview with the orchestra that did the shows with Metallica and every single member that was interviewed said how surprised they were at the complexity and arrangements of metal songs. The majority of them are now fans of heavier music. I think it's the more extreme versions of singing that put most people off. Quote from my granddad to my metal-head uncle in the 70s: "Black Sabbath are a great band, until the singer opens his bloody mouth"  Edit: I agree about Foos too, WAY better than Nirvana IMO and to top it off Grohl is the nicest person you could ever meet according to my wheelchair-bound mate. Dave saw him queuing at a gig and got security to let them in the side entrance, got him VIP spots to watch the show and got him VIP meet and greet tickets for after too; legend. |
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Post by runner76 on May 31, 2024 14:17:22 GMT 1
Do you / Kevin rate the spin offs Justasmithers ? Traveling Wilburys Wings (personally love Band on the Run LP) Thomas the Tank Engine Frog Chorus is an absolute banger I'll second that |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 31, 2024 14:36:25 GMT 1
Next time, please ask: Favourite Beatles album? Top 5 Beatles songs? Favourite Beatle? Judgement will be made on those answers. Let the amateur psychoanalysis begin … Thanks! 😁 I’ll answer just for me: (And these are insanely tough questions to wrestle with) 1. I’ll say Magical Mystery Tour, but let me explain- obviously Pepper is the go to, and I get it. White Album, Rubber Soul, Revolver……but MMT is just so criminally underrated. It’s almost looked at as a gimmick album, pieces of another album, but when you look at the work and iconic songs from it, it really should get more credit. And it was right in the middle of the absolute creative HEATER they went on, most creative output in a short time frame in musical history. 2. Top 5, yikes. Like picking between my children…. (In no order) 1. Eleanor Rigby: the strings in the background, the heartbreaking loneliness, the zenith of the band’s growth. Paul was never better creatively, and the song soars from the opening line 2. Hey Bullldog: often overlooked, just an old fashioned Beatles rocker. Maybe I’m biased because it really seemed Paul and John were having so much fun together, and nothing showcases John’s classic back of the throat growl like this song 3. Because: again, not on most lists, but I’m a voice and harmony guy. The showcasing of the falsettos, the unique song mechanics, showing that as usual they could design their own formatics and get away from the cookie cutter song structures of the day and still find success. 4. Something: My favorite Harrisong. Just a beautiful ballad that on its own would stand with anything out there. But when they cut into the “chorus”, culminating with Paul’s high harmony on “I don’t knowwwwwww” at the end? Goose bumps 5. Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/In the End: Over here in baseball, when someone hits a home run to win the game, we call it a walkoff. There is no greater walkoff than this triumvirate. The dueling solos (never done before), the line of “Boy, You’re Gonna Carry That Weight” (so prescient), and maybe the most iconic lyric in history “and in the end…..” But what really always got me was the joint harmonies to close the song- almost a throwback to their early bubblegum pop days, saying the the audience as they float away in the clouds “bye bye all and thank you for attending our show” as they to us metaphorically with their voices. It just doesn’t get any better than that. So many honorable mentions, but “She’s leaving Home” (many don’t like this song, but again the falsetto work and beautiful harp, plus the song origins with Paul reading a story in the paper….) it always stuck with me “Lucy In the Sky…..” special caveat- not my favorite song, but as a kid I would turn the balance all the way to one side, and you could only hear the lyrics and bass. Makes it a whole different song, far more enjoyable. Way too many more to count, I hate this question 3. No way can I answer, but I CAN make an argument for three, and also love Ringo more than most (he didn’t have the vocal or writing talent, but an underrated drummer and often the adult in the room when Mr. Epstein passed). John- the older brother, the coolest by far, the tastemaker Paul- probably the best Beatle all around if I’m being honest, still going today. The middle brother trying to get out of John’s shadow. I think history shows his singing/songwriting is unmatched. Watching him pull “Get Back” out of nowhere in the latest doc is the coolest musical thing I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. George- the most underrated Beatle. The baby brother. We will never know just how insanely talented he was because of the huge shadows he lived in, but what we DID see? Enough to make him an all time great artist. I mentioned “Something” earlier, obviously “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” is always brought up, but for me “My Sweet Lord” is quintessential George. Couldn’t have happened with the Beatles. Just lets all forget about “Within You, Without You”, and to be honest “I Got My Mind Set On You” (yes a catchy hit, but maybe the most cookie cutter thing he ever did from a song structure and repetitive scale). I’m going to go lie down now, that was stressful. You'll never top this version of Hey Bulldog: |
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Post by King Neil on May 31, 2024 14:39:34 GMT 1
That's my belief too. Obviously people on here know my love of all things thrashy and (unlike Justasmithers) I'm not a huge Beatles fan (preferred the Stones but both are before my time and not high on my list of favourites) but I love some of their output, usually the more high-tempo stuff like Sgt Pepper and Helter Skelter. But as you say there's just music. Good and bad is such a matter of perception. I'm in a minority loving bands like Anthrax, Sepultura, Slayer and the like but I also like a vastly eclectic mix of other music genres. My CD collection ranges from Enya to White Zombie, via Jeff Wayne, Fleetwood Mac, Beethoven and Oasis. My MP3 player has songs by the likes of Rihanna alongside my usual thrash. I draw the line at Crazy Frog though FYI- my era is grunge, Seattle just north of us. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are my favorites, Chris Cornell was a living God to me. Also went through my Guns n Roses days, love Journey, and don’t mind saying I’ve been to a few Coldplay shows and quite enjoyed them. Why no doors dave?? Jim morrison has to be the best singer that's ever lived My personal favourite is touch me..lovely intro |
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Post by workshyfop on May 31, 2024 14:41:53 GMT 1
Loving the pisstaking on here. People pretending to like the Frog Chorus and Coldplay. 😂 And those saying Foo Fighters are better than Nirvana … you almost had me there, you little tinkers! 😆👏🏻
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Post by Tinpot on May 31, 2024 14:51:15 GMT 1
Success on the pitch matters, of course it does. And if we finish bottom half next season there will understandably be a lot of discontent among the fan base. BUT, even though on the pitch we've had a shit start, I'm still happy with Kev & Co. The communication is largely excellent, and whilst there have been mistakes (calling out individual fans in a previous diary probably shouldn't happen again, but it was hilarious!), the fact they've immersed themselves into the area, made a genuine effort to understand the culture and properly bought into the project and the people - to me that's the most important thing. Yes, there will always be clubs that are more successful on the pitch. So be it. I'd genuinely be happier as a supporter of a non-league club, than a Man City fan because although "Citeh" are possibly the best football team that has ever existed, a lot of it looks from where I'm sat as being a bit corporate and soulless. This is my club and it's being led by someone who cares about it as a community asset, not just a product. For the most part, I'd like more of the same please Kev. But maybe caveat that with the first 5 words I made in this post next! Last year started off the same way, lots of good videos and upbeat comments and as far as the football team went, nothing but a disaster. I just hope that we do better this time around. Yeah, I get that. On the pitch it needs to improve. I'm currently optimistic that it will. If this time next year we've got the happiest of clappers bleating about how we're going to piss League 2, then my perspective may alter. First 5 words... |
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Post by mosher on May 31, 2024 15:01:11 GMT 1
You'll never top this version of Hey Bulldog: Who doesn't love a bit of Fanny?  |
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Post by mosher on May 31, 2024 15:02:29 GMT 1
Loving the pisstaking on here. People pretending to like the Frog Chorus and Coldplay. 😂 And those saying Foo Fighters are better than Nirvana … you almost had me there, you little tinkers! 😆👏🏻 Like we've said it's all subjective. Loved Nirvana, but they were hyped to hell IMO And that's from someone that listened to them BEFORE Nevermind brought in all the "posers" |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 31, 2024 15:10:21 GMT 1
No it didnt at all. Whether you think he should have wanted the money back or not, he didnt get the money back and had given up on even trying to get it back long before then. In fact the opposite had happened and he had been back to putting large amounts of his money INTO the club for some time. What almost put us into admin was him trying to move on from that situation of him having to put in large amounts of his money just to keep us going when he no longer wanted to own the club..ie using it as a threat to the major creditor so the club could be sold on to Nagle, as that major creditor ( Pure's administrator ) was stopping that happening. The situation would have been avoided had he have sold the club to someone who could afford it, for what it's true value was, instead of trying to recoup money he had put in. Would it not? At the time he did sell it someone who could afford it. Obviously within a couple of years that situation had changed badly for PH but once again the absence of a time machine caught them out. I dont know what he sold it for but had he sold it to someone else, then that deal would have had him being repaid all the money he'd loaned the club probably in one fell swoop. Better for him. That was the only other offer publicly mentioned at the time,, where the new owner would 'do a glaziers' and put whatever they bought the club for back onto the club as a debt ( one the club would then be paying interest on ).. worse for HTFC. believe it or not, he was trying to do the best thing for the club he loves dearly whilst recouping most of the money he'd put into it now it was a PL club. |
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Post by Matt1908 on May 31, 2024 16:02:42 GMT 1
If I buy a train set, enjoy it for a decade, then sell my train set to my idiot mate who wrecks it, then gives it me back in pieces, should I expect Hornby to give me a full refund? If your parents buy you a train set and you have a brilliant time playing with it and its so much more fun than you thought it would be,, but then your dad accidentally stands on it and breaks it, how long should you tantrum about how unfair that is before you move on? If we're using analogies then how about, you go to a bookies and put 10 million quid on a horse that turns out to be only useful in a frenchmans lasagne (Pritchard) you go to the counter and say you made a mistake the horses you bet on were shit and you want your money back, how do you think they'll respond? |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 31, 2024 18:28:25 GMT 1
I've been slowly losing interest in Town these last 2 years & I really thought I couldn't be arsed any more & this season would be my last season ticket. Kev has re-sparked my interest & I love how Dave links us fans to Kev, the honesty, their love for the club & the desire to succeed is clear to see & I renewed our 4 tickets on day 1. Kev's either a terrific conman or we have landed on our feet with him as our owner. No results are guaranteed in football but I think KN will do his best for us. I was remembering that famous Grimsby Town fan letter after a relegation season earlier today, someone more tech savvy than me could maybe put it up again on this thread so Dave can read it, I reckon he'd love it. Even in that though, it ends on a really positive note & I feel exactly the same about next season, I can't wait for it to start. Cheers mate |
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Post by bluebeard on May 31, 2024 18:35:23 GMT 1
At least he didn,t mention fucking Wrexham!  Wrexham!! you just watch them come unstuck next season big time, never liked their arrogant fans last time they played us and its that long a go i forgot when it was. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 31, 2024 18:40:27 GMT 1
Next time, please ask: Favourite Beatles album? Top 5 Beatles songs? Favourite Beatle? Judgement will be made on those answers. Let the amateur psychoanalysis begin … Thanks! 😁 I’ll answer just for me: (And these are insanely tough questions to wrestle with) 1. I’ll say Magical Mystery Tour, but let me explain- obviously Pepper is the go to, and I get it. White Album, Rubber Soul, Revolver……but MMT is just so criminally underrated. It’s almost looked at as a gimmick album, pieces of another album, but when you look at the work and iconic songs from it, it really should get more credit. And it was right in the middle of the absolute creative HEATER they went on, most creative output in a short time frame in musical history. 2. Top 5, yikes. Like picking between my children…. (In no order) 1. Eleanor Rigby: the strings in the background, the heartbreaking loneliness, the zenith of the band’s growth. Paul was never better creatively, and the song soars from the opening line 2. Hey Bullldog: often overlooked, just an old fashioned Beatles rocker. Maybe I’m biased because it really seemed Paul and John were having so much fun together, and nothing showcases John’s classic back of the throat growl like this song 3. Because: again, not on most lists, but I’m a voice and harmony guy. The showcasing of the falsettos, the unique song mechanics, showing that as usual they could design their own formatics and get away from the cookie cutter song structures of the day and still find success. 4. Something: My favorite Harrisong. Just a beautiful ballad that on its own would stand with anything out there. But when they cut into the “chorus”, culminating with Paul’s high harmony on “I don’t knowwwwwww” at the end? Goose bumps 5. Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/In the End: Over here in baseball, when someone hits a home run to win the game, we call it a walkoff. There is no greater walkoff than this triumvirate. The dueling solos (never done before), the line of “Boy, You’re Gonna Carry That Weight” (so prescient), and maybe the most iconic lyric in history “and in the end…..” But what really always got me was the joint harmonies to close the song- almost a throwback to their early bubblegum pop days, saying the the audience as they float away in the clouds “bye bye all and thank you for attending our show” as they to us metaphorically with their voices. It just doesn’t get any better than that. So many honorable mentions, but “She’s leaving Home” (many don’t like this song, but again the falsetto work and beautiful harp, plus the song origins with Paul reading a story in the paper….) it always stuck with me “Lucy In the Sky…..” special caveat- not my favorite song, but as a kid I would turn the balance all the way to one side, and you could only hear the lyrics and bass. Makes it a whole different song, far more enjoyable. Way too many more to count, I hate this question 3. No way can I answer, but I CAN make an argument for three, and also love Ringo more than most (he didn’t have the vocal or writing talent, but an underrated drummer and often the adult in the room when Mr. Epstein passed). John- the older brother, the coolest by far, the tastemaker Paul- probably the best Beatle all around if I’m being honest, still going today. The middle brother trying to get out of John’s shadow. I think history shows his singing/songwriting is unmatched. Watching him pull “Get Back” out of nowhere in the latest doc is the coolest musical thing I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. George- the most underrated Beatle. The baby brother. We will never know just how insanely talented he was because of the huge shadows he lived in, but what we DID see? Enough to make him an all time great artist. I mentioned “Something” earlier, obviously “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” is always brought up, but for me “My Sweet Lord” is quintessential George. Couldn’t have happened with the Beatles. Just lets all forget about “Within You, Without You”, and to be honest “I Got My Mind Set On You” (yes a catchy hit, but maybe the most cookie cutter thing he ever did from a song structure and repetitive scale). I’m going to go lie down now, that was stressful. The Beatles are just a shit Ramones |
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Post by sallycinnamon on May 31, 2024 18:42:15 GMT 1
At least he didn,t mention fucking Wrexham! Wrexham!! you just watch them come unstuck next season big time, never liked their arrogant fans last time they played us and its that long a go i forgot when it was. I remember playing them when Ian Rush played for them 98/99. Not sure if it was a friendly or not and can't remember any other time. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 31, 2024 18:49:38 GMT 1
If I had Hoyle-esque wealth, would I be willing to write off £50M? Yes, but not for a football club. It would be for something that had some tangible benefits that were wider than that.
But, I don't have Hoyle-esque wealth. I would suggest that the reason Hoyle is wealthy is precisely because he isn't daft with his money.
I'm grateful for the journey we went on. I've seen us in the PL and I never thought I'd see that.
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Post by SacTown on Jun 1, 2024 13:39:28 GMT 1
At least he didn,t mention fucking Wrexham! Wrexham!! you just watch them come unstuck next season big time, never liked their arrogant fans last time they played us and its that long a go i forgot when it was. 2002 was it, Queen mum either died or turned 101 I seem to recall. 1-1 bore draw when we were pushing for a return to championship under Macari. Prior to that we played them in 98/99 FA cup rd 3 or 4. Jake Edwards played for them. Remember the away leg, Ian Rush was a painfully slow caricature of himself. We drew away then the home replay was the start of the Barry Rubery era, with a huge fireworks display. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 14:28:50 GMT 1
Wrexham!! you just watch them come unstuck next season big time, never liked their arrogant fans last time they played us and its that long a go i forgot when it was. 2002 was it, Queen mum either died or turned 101 I seem to recall. 1-1 bore draw when we were pushing for a return to championship under Macari. Prior to that we played them in 98/99 FA cup rd 3 or 4. Jake Edwards played for them. Remember the away leg, Ian Rush was a painfully slow caricature of himself. We drew away then the home replay was the start of the Barry Rubery era, with a huge fireworks display. We played them in 2004-05 as well, final game of the season was at the Racecourse. |
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to us metaphorically with their voices. 
