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Post by rockwall on Jun 1, 2024 14:36:48 GMT 1
Black Hole Sun is on my MP3 player, one of my favourite ever songs. Although Nirvana garnered all the grunge headlines I always felt AIC, Soundgarden and others were better. Not to say Nirvana weren't good, they were, it's just they seemed to hoover up all the publicity. Coldplay? That's it you're blocked  Haha I always get that with Coldplay, I have a feeling history will be kinder to them. Nirvana was great and deserves their flowers, but fact of the matter is Foo Fighters are actually a better band. I think just about any popular band can be cherry picked with great songs. I can’t stand Morissey or The Smiths for example, but “How Soon Is Now” is one of my favorite opening guitar riffs ever. Oasis is hit or miss for me, but “All Around the World” is one of my favorite modern anthems, I’m a sucker for key changes. Used to close out my old night show with that song. Foo Fighters are the best I have seen live. Greenday and RHCP close 2nds. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 1, 2024 15:09:58 GMT 1
I’ll answer just for me: (. The Beatles are just a shit Ramones You will know the origin of the Ramones name, I take it? For everyone else, one of McCartney’s pseudonyms was Paul Ramon and he used Paul Ramone too. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 1, 2024 15:28:08 GMT 1
I think the Beatles are more revered in the USA than they are in the UK these days. Indeed most "classic" bands (classic rock if you like) are very much the domain of a certain demographic in the UK. What is perceived as classic and mainstream in the US is largely perceived as niche and well past it's sell by date in the UK. NB: Not a view I subscribe to but I guess I fit into the demographic make up of those who still like loud guitars, blues based music of a different era. As with all music, each to their own - there's no such thing as bad music, just music you like more than others. Always were more revered over there. The historical context explains it - The Beatles arrived on US soil as they were grieving Kennedy and the Ed Sullivan show was a seminal moment in US history and helped the country move on (there were bitter divisions then, but politics was less baldly partisan). It’s amazing how many times that TV appearance is referenced in films, documentaries etc. Lennon’s post Beatle PR in the British music and mainstream press against McCartney, and his deification after his terrible murder really worked against Paul in the UK. A genuine musical genius of the 20th century has had to put up with an enormous amount of bullshit over the years. Agree with someone upthread saying that the recent Get Back film showed him in a much better light than the original Let It Be movie. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 1, 2024 15:38:50 GMT 1
The Beatles are just a shit Ramones You will know the origin of the Ramones name, I take it? For everyone else, one of McCartney’s pseudonyms was Paul Ramon and he used Paul Ramone too. I do know yes, they were massive Beatles fans, I was only joking, hence the winky-thing. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 5, 2024 22:55:41 GMT 1
Haha I always get that with Coldplay, I have a feeling history will be kinder to them. Nirvana was great and deserves their flowers, but fact of the matter is Foo Fighters are actually a better band. I think just about any popular band can be cherry picked with great songs. I can’t stand Morissey or The Smiths for example, but “How Soon Is Now” is one of my favorite opening guitar riffs ever. Oasis is hit or miss for me, but “All Around the World” is one of my favorite modern anthems, I’m a sucker for key changes. Used to close out my old night show with that song. Mate, that is one of the reasons I love Megadeth; the complexity of Mustaine's songwriting, note/key/chord changes, mixed with the SPEED he plays at just blows me away. I could NEVER master any of his riffs when I learned guitar. I remember reading an interview with the orchestra that did the shows with Metallica and every single member that was interviewed said how surprised they were at the complexity and arrangements of metal songs. The majority of them are now fans of heavier music. I think it's the more extreme versions of singing that put most people off. Quote from my granddad to my metal-head uncle in the 70s: "Black Sabbath are a great band, until the singer opens his bloody mouth"  Edit: I agree about Foos too, WAY better than Nirvana IMO and to top it off Grohl is the nicest person you could ever meet according to my wheelchair-bound mate. Dave saw him queuing at a gig and got security to let them in the side entrance, got him VIP spots to watch the show and got him VIP meet and greet tickets for after too; legend. Dave Grohl is the Darren Moore of rock music. A nice bloke but you wouldn’t want to listen to him or watch anything he’d put together! |
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Post by Justasmithers on Jun 6, 2024 6:06:39 GMT 1
Mate, that is one of the reasons I love Megadeth; the complexity of Mustaine's songwriting, note/key/chord changes, mixed with the SPEED he plays at just blows me away. I could NEVER master any of his riffs when I learned guitar. I remember reading an interview with the orchestra that did the shows with Metallica and every single member that was interviewed said how surprised they were at the complexity and arrangements of metal songs. The majority of them are now fans of heavier music. I think it's the more extreme versions of singing that put most people off. Quote from my granddad to my metal-head uncle in the 70s: "Black Sabbath are a great band, until the singer opens his bloody mouth" Edit: I agree about Foos too, WAY better than Nirvana IMO and to top it off Grohl is the nicest person you could ever meet according to my wheelchair-bound mate. Dave saw him queuing at a gig and got security to let them in the side entrance, got him VIP spots to watch the show and got him VIP meet and greet tickets for after too; legend. Dave Grohl is the Darren Moore of rock music. A nice bloke but you wouldn’t want to listen to him or watch anything he’d put together! Yikes |
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Post by nearwildheaven on Jun 6, 2024 7:19:48 GMT 1
If we are talking grunge, don't forget Screaming Trees, Afghan Whigs and then some of the non Seattle bands - Buffalo Tom, Belly and of course the godfather of them all, Bob Mould.
Bob is my favourite, seen him more times than I can remember and met him a couple of times. A genuinely nice bloke, happy to chat about all sorts.
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Post by detox on Jun 6, 2024 7:44:15 GMT 1
Oops, wrong thread.. looking for diary incoming, anyone?
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 6, 2024 7:56:54 GMT 1
If we are talking grunge, don't forget Screaming Trees, Afghan Whigs and then some of the non Seattle bands - Buffalo Tom, Belly and of course the godfather of them all, Bob Mould. Bob is my favourite, seen him more times than I can remember and met him a couple of times. A genuinely nice bloke, happy to chat about all sorts. Buffalo Tom were great, obviously “Taillights Fade” is a classic. Saw Belly a few times and they were ace! Copper Blue is a brilliant album. 👏🏻 |
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Post by dugnet on Jun 6, 2024 8:26:39 GMT 1
I think the Beatles are more revered in the USA than they are in the UK these days. Indeed most "classic" bands (classic rock if you like) are very much the domain of a certain demographic in the UK. What is perceived as classic and mainstream in the US is largely perceived as niche and well past it's sell by date in the UK. NB: Not a view I subscribe to but I guess I fit into the demographic make up of those who still like loud guitars, blues based music of a different era. As with all music, each to their own - there's no such thing as bad music, just music you like more than others. Always were more revered over there. The historical context explains it - The Beatles arrived on US soil as they were grieving Kennedy and the Ed Sullivan show was a seminal moment in US history and helped the country move on (there were bitter divisions then, but politics was less baldly partisan). It’s amazing how many times that TV appearance is referenced in films, documentaries etc. Lennon’s post Beatle PR in the British music and mainstream press against McCartney, and his deification after his terrible murder really worked against Paul in the UK. A genuine musical genius of the 20th century has had to put up with an enormous amount of bullshit over the years. Agree with someone upthread saying that the recent Get Back film showed him in a much better light than the original Let It Be movie. Cheers for the insight. I saw McCartney at Glastonbury and although his voice his shot there was something magical about the evening. Lennon had some unpleasant tendencies from what I have read but was the man of the "people". Whatever your opinion on their individual personalities they must be one of the most innovative and influential artists of all time (and that's probably an understatement). The difference between the US and UK music scene is essentially that rock music isn't sneered by the media and industry in the US. You only need to look at how Led Zeppelin are viewed in the US compared to their home country. They received the Kennedy award for outstanding achievement in music in the US but are barely recognised in the UK e.g. they have never been considered for a lifetime achievement award by the Brits. The Foo Fighters and Metallica are two who have cut through and are considered "credible/worthy" by the industry in this country but I would argue (and I don't have a problem with either band - although Metallica I would argue have vastly over achieved by regurgitating Sabbath and NWOBHM riffs) there are far better acts that are not as lauded. That said it is all personal preference and how good a press agent you have. |
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Post by nearwildheaven on Jun 6, 2024 8:53:03 GMT 1
Oops, wrong thread.. looking for diary incoming, anyone? You've mistakenly clicked on the "closed season music chat thread". I expect Kev's next diary to be about how he once saw the Grateful Dead play a 10 hour set in San Francisco 😊 |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 6, 2024 10:39:31 GMT 1
Oops, wrong thread.. looking for diary incoming, anyone? You've mistakenly clicked on the "closed season music chat thread". I expect Kev's next diary to be about how he once saw the Grateful Dead play a 10 hour set in San Francisco 😊 Kev dropping acid in Haight Ashbury with Jefferson Airplane sounds a great listen … “and is it true Kool Aid are the new kit sponsors?” |
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Jun 6, 2024 12:17:32 GMT 1
I wonder if KN comes to do half time draw if he would walk out to The Move's California Man?
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Post by nearwildheaven on Jun 6, 2024 12:50:14 GMT 1
Just to keep it town related, I hear Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins thought David Cork was overrated.
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Post by Macduff on Jun 6, 2024 13:01:22 GMT 1
![]() Turns out Kevin looks to be related to the great Mark Twain. Think we also know Dave is the secret love child of John Goodman and Rosanne Barr. Certainly a more interesting ancestry than previous owners. UTT  Edit - thought I'd managed to post a pic of Mark Twain looking remarkably like Kevin. Looks like doing it from Spain with poor internet connection probably not a good idea. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jun 6, 2024 13:02:50 GMT 1
Amazed no one’s mentioned the Pixies, no Pixies no grunge. Still probably the best band I’ve ever seen live, well them and The Prodigy.
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Post by nearwildheaven on Jun 6, 2024 13:04:47 GMT 1
Amazed no one’s mentioned the Pixies, no Pixies no grunge. Still probably the best band I’ve ever seen live, well them and The Prodigy. Off to see them at the Piece Hall in August! |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 6, 2024 14:33:14 GMT 1
Always were more revered over there. The historical context explains it - The Beatles arrived on US soil as they were grieving Kennedy and the Ed Sullivan show was a seminal moment in US history and helped the country move on (there were bitter divisions then, but politics was less baldly partisan). It’s amazing how many times that TV appearance is referenced in films, documentaries etc. Lennon’s post Beatle PR in the British music and mainstream press against McCartney, and his deification after his terrible murder really worked against Paul in the UK. A genuine musical genius of the 20th century has had to put up with an enormous amount of bullshit over the years. Agree with someone upthread saying that the recent Get Back film showed him in a much better light than the original Let It Be movie. Cheers for the insight. I saw McCartney at Glastonbury and although his voice his shot there was something magical about the evening. Lennon had some unpleasant tendencies from what I have read but was the man of the "people". Whatever your opinion on their individual personalities they must be one of the most innovative and influential artists of all time (and that's probably an understatement). The difference between the US and UK music scene is essentially that rock music isn't sneered by the media and industry in the US. You only need to look at how Led Zeppelin are viewed in the US compared to their home country. They received the Kennedy award for outstanding achievement in music in the US but are barely recognised in the UK e.g. they have never been considered for a lifetime achievement award by the Brits. The Foo Fighters and Metallica are two who have cut through and are considered "credible/worthy" by the industry in this country but I would argue (and I don't have a problem with either band - although Metallica I would argue have vastly over achieved by regurgitating Sabbath and NWOBHM riffs) there are far better acts that are not as lauded. That said it is all personal preference and how good a press agent you have. Saw McCartney in Paris in 1989, probably near the end of his singing voice but the Wings over America footage in 74/75 is the high watermark for me (I lost interest in his work around 1978 but not him and his legacy). I think the UK was blighted by the pricks who used to write for the music press (with some honourable exclusions). I don’t think up and coming musicians were destroyed by acerbic “wit” in the US, but could be wrong. Never that enamoured of Lennon’s post Beatles output. Some good stuff amongst quite a lot of drivel - Harrison’s All Things Must Pass contained more genuine quality than Lennon’s 70s output (well, 2 sides of it). Anyway, when’s Kev’s next video? |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 6, 2024 14:36:39 GMT 1
That's my belief too. Obviously people on here know my love of all things thrashy and (unlike Justasmithers) I'm not a huge Beatles fan (preferred the Stones but both are before my time and not high on my list of favourites) but I love some of their output, usually the more high-tempo stuff like Sgt Pepper and Helter Skelter. But as you say there's just music. Good and bad is such a matter of perception. I'm in a minority loving bands like Anthrax, Sepultura, Slayer and the like but I also like a vastly eclectic mix of other music genres. My CD collection ranges from Enya to White Zombie, via Jeff Wayne, Fleetwood Mac, Beethoven and Oasis. My MP3 player has songs by the likes of Rihanna alongside my usual thrash. I draw the line at Crazy Frog though FYI- my era is grunge, Seattle just north of us. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are my favorites, Chris Cornell was a living God to me. Also went through my Guns n Roses days, love Journey, and don’t mind saying I’ve been to a few Coldplay shows and quite enjoyed them. Loved my grunge days. Nirvana, Fooeys, Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were staples. One of my favorite concerts was Pearl Jam! Being an Aussie, we had a grunge band full of groms called Silverchair, their album called Frogstomp I loved. I also loved my Gunners, Metallica and Chili Peppers era. Sick time when music had proper bands. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 6, 2024 15:37:21 GMT 1
Dave Grohl is the Darren Moore of rock music. A nice bloke but you wouldn’t want to listen to him or watch anything he’d put together! Yikes Are the Manchester orchestra big in the US? Just stumbled across them recently and they seem like a decent band. Don't know much about them though? |
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Post by anchorless on Jun 6, 2024 21:12:31 GMT 1
If we are talking grunge, don't forget Screaming Trees, Afghan Whigs and then some of the non Seattle bands - Buffalo Tom, Belly and of course the godfather of them all, Bob Mould. Bob is my favourite, seen him more times than I can remember and met him a couple of times. A genuinely nice bloke, happy to chat about all sorts. Bob is an absolute legend. Have everything by Sugar and almost everything the the Dü/Bob solo on LP. Have a collection of Hüsker Dü T-shirts that I wear almost daily |
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Post by rockwall on Jun 6, 2024 21:16:53 GMT 1
Mate, that is one of the reasons I love Megadeth; the complexity of Mustaine's songwriting, note/key/chord changes, mixed with the SPEED he plays at just blows me away. I could NEVER master any of his riffs when I learned guitar. I remember reading an interview with the orchestra that did the shows with Metallica and every single member that was interviewed said how surprised they were at the complexity and arrangements of metal songs. The majority of them are now fans of heavier music. I think it's the more extreme versions of singing that put most people off. Quote from my granddad to my metal-head uncle in the 70s: "Black Sabbath are a great band, until the singer opens his bloody mouth" Edit: I agree about Foos too, WAY better than Nirvana IMO and to top it off Grohl is the nicest person you could ever meet according to my wheelchair-bound mate. Dave saw him queuing at a gig and got security to let them in the side entrance, got him VIP spots to watch the show and got him VIP meet and greet tickets for after too; legend. Dave Grohl is the Darren Moore of rock music. A nice bloke but you wouldn’t want to listen to him or watch anything he’d put together! Wow. That is like saying Buzz spoke sense. Grohl has amazing stories and tells them well. |
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Post by leroy212 on Jun 6, 2024 21:42:14 GMT 1
Haha I always get that with Coldplay, I have a feeling history will be kinder to them. Nirvana was great and deserves their flowers, but fact of the matter is Foo Fighters are actually a better band. I think just about any popular band can be cherry picked with great songs. I can’t stand Morissey or The Smiths for example, but “How Soon Is Now” is one of my favorite opening guitar riffs ever. Oasis is hit or miss for me, but “All Around the World” is one of my favorite modern anthems, I’m a sucker for key changes. Used to close out my old night show with that song. Foo Fighters are the best I have seen live. Greenday and RHCP close 2nds. Rhcp were amazing when I saw them at spurs ground |
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Post by leroy212 on Jun 6, 2024 21:43:21 GMT 1
Gotta love ac/DC or airborne
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Post by schindlersmissed on Jun 6, 2024 21:45:14 GMT 1
Amazed no one’s mentioned the Pixies, no Pixies no grunge. Still probably the best band I’ve ever seen live, well them and The Prodigy. Off to see them at the Piece Hall in August! Me too - can’t wait (and Taylor Swift the night before at Wembley- how’s that for catholic tastes!! |
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Post by Justasmithers on Jun 6, 2024 22:46:45 GMT 1
Are the Manchester orchestra big in the US? Just stumbled across them recently and they seem like a decent band. Don't know much about them though? Never heard of em |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 6, 2024 22:50:45 GMT 1
Off to see them at the Piece Hall in August! Me too - can’t wait (and Taylor Swift the night before at Wembley- how’s that for catholic tastes!! Who's supporting her at Wembley? Noticed Paramore had been doing it on the European tour |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 6, 2024 23:50:32 GMT 1
Are the Manchester orchestra big in the US? Just stumbled across them recently and they seem like a decent band. Don't know much about them though? Never heard of em Neither had I until a couple of months ago. Looks like they've played at the Red rocks amphitheatre, which is one of the best music venues in the world, so thought they might have a good following over there? Looks like their lead singer sweated more than our entire squad in the whole of last season in that video, so fair play to him. |
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Jun 7, 2024 1:14:09 GMT 1
Go team USA have beat Pakistan in the T20 Cricket World Cup. Didn't see that coming,  . |
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Post by willo on Jun 7, 2024 1:27:16 GMT 1
Just to keep it town related, I hear Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins thought David Cork was overrated. I’ve liked this but have no reason why 🤔. I have not thought about David Cork and his blond mullet for almost 40 years! Made me smile though. |
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