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Post by BlueValour on May 29, 2024 21:31:27 GMT 1
PSF should be preparation for the coming season. Ideally, start with a very easy clash to begin with to get match fitness and then progressively increase difficulty as the team gets up to speed, finishing with a hard, competitive game. How on earth are these four games good preparation for what will be a tough L1 campaign !! www.htafc.com/news/2024/may/club-confirm-2024-pre-season-schedule/ |
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Post by Up the Duff. on May 29, 2024 21:43:46 GMT 1
Aren't we then going to be playing games in Austria ?
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Post by goodbet on May 29, 2024 21:47:51 GMT 1
We have more than 11 players to get fit, so I assume that these are not all first team fixtures.
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Post by BlueValour on May 29, 2024 21:54:02 GMT 1
Aren't we then going to be playing games in Austria ? Yes, but at this stage this looks like team building (also important but not the same) unless a competitive fixture is inserted. |
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Post by rockwall on May 30, 2024 7:52:56 GMT 1
PSF should be preparation for the coming season. Ideally, start with a very easy clash to begin with to get match fitness and then progressively increase difficulty as the team gets up to speed, finishing with a hard, competitive game. How on earth are these four games good preparation for what will be a tough L1 campaign !! www.htafc.com/news/2024/may/club-confirm-2024-pre-season-schedule/Don't see the issue. Huge step up from last seasons opposition. Plus we will play games in Austria. Wouldn't suprise me if there is a home game to be scheduled too once other nations leagues finish. |
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Post by captainblack on May 30, 2024 9:15:16 GMT 1
Its a shame the York fixture is on a Wednesday , It would have
made a great day out it were played on a Saturday afternoon.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 30, 2024 9:36:02 GMT 1
PSF should be preparation for the coming season. Ideally, start with a very easy clash to begin with to get match fitness and then progressively increase difficulty as the team gets up to speed, finishing with a hard, competitive game. How on earth are these four games good preparation for what will be a tough L1 campaign !! www.htafc.com/news/2024/may/club-confirm-2024-pre-season-schedule/Don't see the issue. Huge step up from last seasons opposition. Plus we will play games in Austria. Wouldn't suprise me if there is a home game to be scheduled too once other nations leagues finish. Is it though? The aim of preseason is building up fitness We're playing semi pro footballers, who can only train twice a week, often in public facilities and usually after a day's work While our lads train 4 days a week for a couple of hours, have an army of conditioning, fitness, nutrition coaches, physios, masseurs, performance analysts etc and access to top gym equipment and GPS running monitors We'll hardly be blowing at the end of 90 mins given the mismatch and it can't be the same as playing full time pros |
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Post by rockwall on May 30, 2024 9:38:43 GMT 1
Don't see the issue. Huge step up from last seasons opposition. Plus we will play games in Austria. Wouldn't suprise me if there is a home game to be scheduled too once other nations leagues finish. Is it though? The aim of preseason is building up fitness We're playing semi pro footballers, who can only train twice a week, often in public facilities and usually after a day's work While our lads train 4 days a week, have an army of conditioning, fitness, nutrition coaches, physios, masseurs, performance analysts etc and access to top gym equipment and GPS running monitors We'll hardly be blowing at the end of 90 mins and it can't be the same as playing full time pros Harrogate aren't semi professional. As you say its building fitness, these games provide that. Austria is where we will play better teams. We will also have behind closed door games. People read too much into friendlies without understanding the nature of it all. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 30, 2024 10:07:30 GMT 1
Is it though? The aim of preseason is building up fitness We're playing semi pro footballers, who can only train twice a week, often in public facilities and usually after a day's work While our lads train 4 days a week, have an army of conditioning, fitness, nutrition coaches, physios, masseurs, performance analysts etc and access to top gym equipment and GPS running monitors We'll hardly be blowing at the end of 90 mins and it can't be the same as playing full time pros Harrogate aren't semi professional. As you say its building fitness, these games provide that. Austria is where we will play better teams. We will also have behind closed door games. People read too much into friendlies without understanding the nature of it all. Granted Harrogate but that's just one game Technically we're miles ahead of footballer in the 6th tier so surely the only benefit is a runaround. I can't imagine fitness differs between the 6th and 8th or 9th tier (last season which was heavily criticised) I would have preferred a friendly were we played an opposition with the technique/ skill to stretch us so we had to run around a bit to retrieve the ball or stay in shape. Also to stay switched on because they have the skill to play a killer pass etc Instead these opponents won't have that skill and we'll probably see most of the ball and our defenders little to do. So it boils down to just an opportunity to run for 90 mins in a game environment - against footballers with (understandably) inferior fitness |
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Post by townarentbest on May 30, 2024 10:35:30 GMT 1
Don't see the issue. Huge step up from last seasons opposition. Plus we will play games in Austria. Wouldn't suprise me if there is a home game to be scheduled too once other nations leagues finish. Is it though? The aim of preseason is building up fitness We're playing semi pro footballers, who can only train twice a week, often in public facilities and usually after a day's work While our lads train 4 days a week for a couple of hours, have an army of conditioning, fitness, nutrition coaches, physios, masseurs, performance analysts etc and access to top gym equipment and GPS running monitors We'll hardly be blowing at the end of 90 mins given the mismatch and it can't be the same as playing full time pros Spurious argument, given York and Harrogate are obviously fully professional, and you may not realise but Guiseley are also a fully professional club ( so Leeds isn't the biggest city with one professional club!) since at least 8 years ago...leaving just Emley as the semi-pro outfit...it looks a pretty perfect wind-up ahead of the higher level effort we'll build on in Austria. The order of games is... 29/6 - Emley - 4 divisions below us in Northern Premier League 6/7 - Guiseley - 3 divisions below us in National League North 10/7 - York - 2 divisions below us in National League 13/7 - Harrogate - 1 division below us in League 2 |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 30, 2024 10:42:29 GMT 1
Is it though? The aim of preseason is building up fitness We're playing semi pro footballers, who can only train twice a week, often in public facilities and usually after a day's work While our lads train 4 days a week for a couple of hours, have an army of conditioning, fitness, nutrition coaches, physios, masseurs, performance analysts etc and access to top gym equipment and GPS running monitors We'll hardly be blowing at the end of 90 mins given the mismatch and it can't be the same as playing full time pros Spurious argument, given York and Harrogate are obviously fully professional, and you may not realise but Guiseley are also a fully professional club ( so Leeds isn't the biggest city with one professional club!) since at least 8 years ago...leaving just Emley as the semi-pro outfit...it looks a pretty perfect wind-up ahead of the higher level effort we'll build on in Austria. The order of games is... 29/6 - Emley - 4 divisions below us in Northern Premier League 6/7 - Guiseley - 3 divisions below us in National League North 10/7 - York - 2 divisions below us in National League 13/7 - Harrogate - 1 division below us in League 2 I just don't see a big step change from last pre season - which was must criticised I knew a lad who played Conference North and worked a full time job in the day. He was also a full time pro for a few seasons. It's just different I'm basically seeing no challenge in these games - we'll probably work harder in games between the squad. I mean the B Team of last year would be expected to beat Emley and Guiseley. Probably York as well |
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Post by townarentbest on May 30, 2024 10:53:16 GMT 1
Spurious argument, given York and Harrogate are obviously fully professional, and you may not realise but Guiseley are also a fully professional club ( so Leeds isn't the biggest city with one professional club!) since at least 8 years ago...leaving just Emley as the semi-pro outfit...it looks a pretty perfect wind-up ahead of the higher level effort we'll build on in Austria. The order of games is... 29/6 - Emley - 4 divisions below us in Northern Premier League 6/7 - Guiseley - 3 divisions below us in National League North 10/7 - York - 2 divisions below us in National League 13/7 - Harrogate - 1 division below us in League 2 I just don't see a big step change from last pre season - which was must criticised I knew a lad who played Conference North and worked a full time job in the day. He was also a full time pro for a few seasons. It's just different I'm basically seeing no challenge in these games - we'll probably work harder in games between the squad. I mean the B Team of last year would be expected to beat Emley and Guiseley. Probably York as well So firstly you were dismissive that we were playing semi-pro 2x a week training players, and now its pointed out that 3 of the 4 clubs are FULL TIME professional you've decided that thats irrelevant?! Sheffield United are playing York and Harrogate Town too. Who exactly are you expecting us to play?! |
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Post by htfcterry on May 30, 2024 10:57:29 GMT 1
I just don't see a big step change from last pre season - which was must criticised I knew a lad who played Conference North and worked a full time job in the day. He was also a full time pro for a few seasons. It's just different I'm basically seeing no challenge in these games - we'll probably work harder in games between the squad. I mean the B Team of last year would be expected to beat Emley and Guiseley. Probably York as well So firstly you were dismissive that we were playing semi-pro 2x a week training players, and now its pointed out that 3 of the 4 clubs are FULL TIME professional you've decided that thats irrelevant?! Sheffield United are playing York and Harrogate Town too. Who exactly are you expecting us to play?! Probably a La Liga or Bundesliga club, where we'd not touch the ball and make it a complete waste of time. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 30, 2024 10:59:55 GMT 1
I just don't see a big step change from last pre season - which was must criticised I knew a lad who played Conference North and worked a full time job in the day. He was also a full time pro for a few seasons. It's just different I'm basically seeing no challenge in these games - we'll probably work harder in games between the squad. I mean the B Team of last year would be expected to beat Emley and Guiseley. Probably York as well So firstly you were dismissive that we were playing semi-pro 2x a week training players, and now its pointed out that 3 of the 4 clubs are FULL TIME professional you've decided that thats irrelevant?! Sheffield United are playing York and Harrogate Town too. Who exactly are you expecting us to play?! I'd like a challenge against team were we won't dominate possession of the ball and will have to work with out - that won't happen I accepted Harrogate are pro and you added York So great two pro sides. Last year we played Stockport - won League Two - and Heerenveen of the Dutch top flight To me they both look a lot harder than Harrogate ... our toughest game Yet that preseason was deemed sh*t but this one does the job? I don't get it is what I'm saying. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 30, 2024 11:01:23 GMT 1
So firstly you were dismissive that we were playing semi-pro 2x a week training players, and now its pointed out that 3 of the 4 clubs are FULL TIME professional you've decided that thats irrelevant?! Sheffield United are playing York and Harrogate Town too. Who exactly are you expecting us to play?! Probably a La Liga or Bundesliga club, where we'd not touch the ball and make it a complete waste of time. Absolutely we need that, instead we will have 4 games where the opposition don't touch the ball and our defenders have little work to do. |
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Post by dalesterrier on May 30, 2024 11:10:04 GMT 1
Probably a La Liga or Bundesliga club, where we'd not touch the ball and make it a complete waste of time. Absolutely we need that, instead we will have 4 games where the opposition don't touch the ball and our defenders have little work to do. But you're judging before the full pre season has been announced. There will be I'd imagine 2/3 games in Austria and a significant amount Bundesliga and 2Bundesliga teams tour there too plus Italian teams. Maybe wait to judge then. MD isn't going to let us be unfit come August 10 and he's already made changes by cancelling the alfreton game. Added to that we come back 24 June which earlier than before and I'd imagine before other clubs too |
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Post by dugnet on May 30, 2024 11:16:18 GMT 1
There's a space in the calendar for a game on 3rd August, do we think that will be a home friendly?
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Post by townarentbest on May 30, 2024 11:18:19 GMT 1
So firstly you were dismissive that we were playing semi-pro 2x a week training players, and now its pointed out that 3 of the 4 clubs are FULL TIME professional you've decided that thats irrelevant?! Sheffield United are playing York and Harrogate Town too. Who exactly are you expecting us to play?! I'd like a challenge against team were we won't dominate possession of the ball and will have to work with out - that won't happen I accepted Harrogate are pro and you added York So great two pro sides. Last year we played Stockport - won League Two - and Heerenveen of the Dutch top flight To me they both look a lot harder than Harrogate ... our toughest game Yet that preseason was deemed sh*t but this one does the job? I don't get it is what I'm saying. Guiseley are fully pro too, thats THREE pro sides. We were a Championship club last season...as a League 1 club facing Harrogate who have been a mid-table League 2 team will be an equivalent challenge to what facing Stockport was as a Championship club. There will be MORE games, joining Town in Austria will be Eibar (La Liga), Freiburg (Bundesliga) and Swansea (Championship) - do any of those clubs meet your standards?! |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 11:23:05 GMT 1
Is it though? The aim of preseason is building up fitness We're playing semi pro footballers, who can only train twice a week, often in public facilities and usually after a day's work While our lads train 4 days a week for a couple of hours, have an army of conditioning, fitness, nutrition coaches, physios, masseurs, performance analysts etc and access to top gym equipment and GPS running monitors We'll hardly be blowing at the end of 90 mins given the mismatch and it can't be the same as playing full time pros Spurious argument, given York and Harrogate are obviously fully professional, and you may not realise but Guiseley are also a fully professional club ( so Leeds isn't the biggest city with one professional club!) since at least 8 years ago...leaving just Emley as the semi-pro outfit...it looks a pretty perfect wind-up ahead of the higher level effort we'll build on in Austria. The order of games is... 29/6 - Emley - 4 divisions below us in Northern Premier League Northern Div 1 East, one step below (and only just promoted to that level)6/7 - Guiseley - 3 divisions below us in National League North Northern Premier League, one step below 10/7 - York - 2 divisions below us in National League 13/7 - Harrogate - 1 division below us in League 2 I agree with your post, just a few details wrong that I have corrected, also Guiseley are semi-pro |
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Post by townarentbest on May 30, 2024 11:32:54 GMT 1
Spurious argument, given York and Harrogate are obviously fully professional, and you may not realise but Guiseley are also a fully professional club ( so Leeds isn't the biggest city with one professional club!) since at least 8 years ago...leaving just Emley as the semi-pro outfit...it looks a pretty perfect wind-up ahead of the higher level effort we'll build on in Austria. The order of games is... 29/6 - Emley - 4 divisions below us in Northern Premier League Northern Div 1 East, one step below (and only just promoted to that level)6/7 - Guiseley - 3 divisions below us in National League North Northern Premier League, one step below 10/7 - York - 2 divisions below us in National League 13/7 - Harrogate - 1 division below us in League 2 I agree with your post, just a few details wrong that I have corrected, also Guiseley are semi-proThats a shame - www.itv.com/news/calendar/2017-10-25/guiseley-become-the-second-professional-club-in-leeds |
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Post by goodbet on May 30, 2024 11:47:05 GMT 1
Spurious argument, given York and Harrogate are obviously fully professional, and you may not realise but Guiseley are also a fully professional club ( so Leeds isn't the biggest city with one professional club!) since at least 8 years ago...leaving just Emley as the semi-pro outfit...it looks a pretty perfect wind-up ahead of the higher level effort we'll build on in Austria. The order of games is... 29/6 - Emley - 4 divisions below us in Northern Premier League Northern Div 1 East, one step below (and only just promoted to that level)6/7 - Guiseley - 3 divisions below us in National League North Northern Premier League, one step below 10/7 - York - 2 divisions below us in National League 13/7 - Harrogate - 1 division below us in League 2 I agree with your post, just a few details wrong that I have corrected, also Guiseley are semi-pro According to Wiki, League 1 kicks off on the 10/08/24 so time to get some real games in. I an not sure of our travel dates to Austria to see what else we can fit in. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 11:52:58 GMT 1
According to Wiki, League 1 kicks off on the 10/08/24 so time to get some real games in. I an not sure of our travel dates to Austria to see what else we can fit in. Somebody else in the thread said Eibar, Freiburg and Swansea were possibilities as they have training camps in Austria at the same time |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 11:58:11 GMT 1
I think that you cannot be professional below the 6th tier, and it would most certainly be unsustainable to be so at that level - there are barely any pro teams in National League North/South as it is so hard to get pro players to drop down and have reduced wage demands, and due to lack of revenue streams it is rare that semi-pro players at this level want to become pro as they will earn a large chunk of their income from their jobs outside football, quitting these jobs just to play football full-time wouldn't be worth it as the pro clubs at this level are not able to pay the wage that they would earn being a semi-pro footballer with a job on the side. |
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Post by townarentbest on May 30, 2024 12:04:56 GMT 1
According to Wiki, League 1 kicks off on the 10/08/24 so time to get some real games in. I an not sure of our travel dates to Austria to see what else we can fit in. Somebody else in the thread said Eibar, Freiburg and Swansea were possibilities as they have training camps in Austria at the same time Its not that they have training camps in Austria, they have training camps at the SAME PLACE and SAME DATES as Town do! Watford and Leeds are also there that week, not sure if they're in the exact same spot though. |
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Post by htfcterry on May 30, 2024 12:07:16 GMT 1
Probably a La Liga or Bundesliga club, where we'd not touch the ball and make it a complete waste of time. Absolutely we need that, instead we will have 4 games where the opposition don't touch the ball and our defenders have little work to do. We've just spent 10 months not touching the ball, it's time we learnt how to play with it if we're going to do anything in League One. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 30, 2024 12:28:11 GMT 1
I'd like a challenge against team were we won't dominate possession of the ball and will have to work with out - that won't happen I accepted Harrogate are pro and you added York So great two pro sides. Last year we played Stockport - won League Two - and Heerenveen of the Dutch top flight To me they both look a lot harder than Harrogate ... our toughest game Yet that preseason was deemed sh*t but this one does the job? I don't get it is what I'm saying. Guiseley are fully pro too, thats THREE pro sides. We were a Championship club last season...as a League 1 club facing Harrogate who have been a mid-table League 2 team will be an equivalent challenge to what facing Stockport was as a Championship club. There will be MORE games, joining Town in Austria will be Eibar (La Liga), Freiburg (Bundesliga) and Swansea (Championship) - do any of those clubs meet your standards?! So Guiseley aren't pro it seems so remains two. York who finished 20th and a point and a place off being relegated to the Conference North and Harrogate who were midtable in League Two You seem to be missing my point. This looks so far no improvement on last seasons much criticised preseason. I would say Stockport and Heerenveen provided a better test We'll have to see what happens in Austria - full games, using players only for 30 mins blocks, who knows if it's little more than training drills or full 90 min games. |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on May 30, 2024 12:32:31 GMT 1
Great line up that. All fantastic opportunities for a day out and some er, pop or two. The only fly in the ointment is York away in midweek. That should have been a Saturday. Oh yes the players need to get up to match speed.
PS I once did a job in Menston up the line from Guiseley and I can tell you there are some decent pubs near the ground.
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Post by Terriersmad on May 30, 2024 12:57:26 GMT 1
Guiseley are fully pro too, thats THREE pro sides. We were a Championship club last season...as a League 1 club facing Harrogate who have been a mid-table League 2 team will be an equivalent challenge to what facing Stockport was as a Championship club. There will be MORE games, joining Town in Austria will be Eibar (La Liga), Freiburg (Bundesliga) and Swansea (Championship) - do any of those clubs meet your standards?! So Guiseley aren't pro it seems so remains two. York who finished 20th and a point and a place off being relegated to the Conference North and Harrogate who were midtable in League Two You seem to be missing my point. This looks so far no improvement on last seasons much criticised preseason. I would say Stockport and Heerenveen provided a better test We'll have to see what happens in Austria - full games, using players only for 30 mins blocks, who knows if it's little more than training drills or full 90 min games. Emphasis on so far. Those four games will be to build up fitness. I strongly suspect we'll get three more games in against stronger opposition, two on tour and one at home against higher division opponents. It's May. Loads of time for arrangements yet. |
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Post by BlueValour on May 30, 2024 13:13:10 GMT 1
I just don't see a big step change from last pre season - which was must criticised I knew a lad who played Conference North and worked a full time job in the day. He was also a full time pro for a few seasons. It's just different I'm basically seeing no challenge in these games - we'll probably work harder in games between the squad. I mean the B Team of last year would be expected to beat Emley and Guiseley. Probably York as well So firstly you were dismissive that we were playing semi-pro 2x a week training players, and now its pointed out that 3 of the 4 clubs are FULL TIME professional you've decided that thats irrelevant?! Sheffield United are playing York and Harrogate Town too. Who exactly are you expecting us to play?! Sheffield United would be a good option!! |
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Post by Tiro on May 30, 2024 21:59:29 GMT 1
Guiseley are fully pro too, thats THREE pro sides. We were a Championship club last season...as a League 1 club facing Harrogate who have been a mid-table League 2 team will be an equivalent challenge to what facing Stockport was as a Championship club. There will be MORE games, joining Town in Austria will be Eibar (La Liga), Freiburg (Bundesliga) and Swansea (Championship) - do any of those clubs meet your standards?! So Guiseley aren't pro it seems so remains two. York who finished 20th and a point and a place off being relegated to the Conference North and Harrogate who were midtable in League Two You seem to be missing my point. This looks so far no improvement on last seasons much criticised preseason. I would say Stockport and Heerenveen provided a better test We'll have to see what happens in Austria - full games, using players only for 30 mins blocks, who knows if it's little more than training drills or full 90 min games. You on the wind-up? |
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