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Post by royrace on Jun 28, 2024 8:43:21 GMT 1
Allowing PL U21 teams into this competition is an utter disgrace and a sign of the greed in the game these days.
It's humiliating and degrading to league clubs with decades of proud tradition to have to play an U21 team in a competitive fixture.
They can stick this tin pot trophy up their arse. I won't be attending any games in a competition that PL U21 teams enter.
I hope we play our reserves.
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Post by mosher on Jun 28, 2024 9:04:02 GMT 1
Could we update the thread’s title to the Bristol Street Motors Trophy unless there is some deep nostalgia for Papa Johns Trophy that I’ve missed? They did and I thought it was a new fkn thread   |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jun 28, 2024 9:18:32 GMT 1
I'll be taking my lad to see the utd u21s. It may well be an education for young kids - seeing the elite youth players from an academy that regularly produces world class players. What's not to like? If it were a friendly loads of us would go - what's the difference, really?
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Post by terryya on Jun 28, 2024 9:45:17 GMT 1
Allowing PL U21 teams into this competition is an utter disgrace and a sign of the greed in the game these days. It's humiliating and degrading to league clubs with decades of proud tradition to have to play an U21 team in a competitive fixture. They can stick this tin pot trophy up their arse. I won't be attending any games in a competition that PL U21 teams enter. I hope we play our reserves. I'm fairly sure the EFL was encouraged* to allow the U21 teams into the tournament. *blackmailed |
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Post by Orinoco on Jun 28, 2024 9:54:37 GMT 1
Allowing PL U21 teams into this competition is an utter disgrace and a sign of the greed in the game these days. It's humiliating and degrading to league clubs with decades of proud tradition to have to play an U21 team in a competitive fixture. They can stick this tin pot trophy up their arse. I won't be attending any games in a competition that PL U21 teams enter. I hope we play our reserves. I remember the Fleetwood chairman Andy Pilley charging full entry price and urging fans to boycott the competition due the prem kids teams. Mind you he is currently serving a 13 year sentence for fraud!! |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 28, 2024 9:58:49 GMT 1
Could we update the thread’s title to the Bristol Street Motors Trophy unless there is some deep nostalgia for Papa Johns Trophy that I’ve missed? Not deep nostalgia as such, more deep pan. |
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Post by TTCMatt on Jun 28, 2024 10:00:35 GMT 1
I'll be taking my lad to see the utd u21s. It may well be an education for young kids - seeing the elite youth players from an academy that regularly produces world class players. What's not to like? If it were a friendly loads of us would go - what's the difference, really? Played Man Utd u23's a few years back in a friendly. Not a single Town fan went... |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 28, 2024 10:01:40 GMT 1
What an absolute set of entitled moaning muppets on this thread. Deriding this competition as if it is beneath us. Quick to mock fans of other clubs who have delusions of grandeur. How is this different? Without this competition, Warnock wouldn't have lasted his first season and unlikely we would have gone up year after. Two of my favourite ever Town moments came in this comp. Stockport and Carlisle away in 94. Let's get it won. I have no problems with the competition, as such (I had a great day out at Wembley for the final), & I can only speak for myself but my big sadness comes from having to play Premier League teams' kids, I think that makes a mockery of it & is deeply embarrassing to the football league teams. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jun 28, 2024 10:09:16 GMT 1
I'll be taking my lad to see the utd u21s. It may well be an education for young kids - seeing the elite youth players from an academy that regularly produces world class players. What's not to like? If it were a friendly loads of us would go - what's the difference, really? Played Man Utd u23's a few years back in a friendly. Not a single Town fan went... wasn't that in covid? |
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Post by royrace on Jun 28, 2024 10:27:07 GMT 1
I'll be taking my lad to see the utd u21s. It may well be an education for young kids - seeing the elite youth players from an academy that regularly produces world class players. What's not to like? If it were a friendly loads of us would go - what's the difference, really? It's degrading to the club. You might think that's an over reaction but it's how I feel. Our great club should not be playing any club's U21s in a competitive fixture. To add a little perspective we beat them in a league fixture not that long ago. I hope nobody turns up and we play our kids. I'm not sure how much money changed hands to allow this but it's a flippin travesty imo, I'm amazed it's just been accepted tbh, expected more backlash. I guess clubs don't really have a choice but fans do. I wouldn't go if they paid me. It's not a snobbish thing either, you respect the competition you're in and like it or not we're now in the third tier and deservedly so. It's the U21s thing for me, renders the whole thing null and void. |
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Post by Tiro on Jun 28, 2024 10:39:41 GMT 1
I'll be taking my lad to see the utd u21s. It may well be an education for young kids - seeing the elite youth players from an academy that regularly produces world class players. What's not to like? If it were a friendly loads of us would go - what's the difference, really? Played Man Utd u23's a few years back in a friendly. Not a single Town fan went... Did they take a register? |
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Post by TTCMatt on Jun 28, 2024 10:48:17 GMT 1
Played Man Utd u23's a few years back in a friendly. Not a single Town fan went... wasn't that in covid? Fair play, I thought I'd catch you out on this one. |
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Post by TTCMatt on Jun 28, 2024 10:49:21 GMT 1
Played Man Utd u23's a few years back in a friendly. Not a single Town fan went... Did they take a register? They usually only check the register when we play Leeds. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Jun 28, 2024 12:29:31 GMT 1
I'll be taking my lad to see the utd u21s. It may well be an education for young kids - seeing the elite youth players from an academy that regularly produces world class players. What's not to like? If it were a friendly loads of us would go - what's the difference, really? It's degrading to the club. You might think that's an over reaction but it's how I feel. Our great club should not be playing any club's U21s in a competitive fixture. To add a little perspective we beat them in a league fixture not that long ago. I hope nobody turns up and we play our kids. I'm not sure how much money changed hands to allow this but it's a flippin travesty imo, I'm amazed it's just been accepted tbh, expected more backlash. I guess clubs don't really have a choice but fans do. I wouldn't go if they paid me. It's not a snobbish thing either, you respect the competition you're in and like it or not we're now in the third tier and deservedly so. It's the U21s thing for me, renders the whole thing null and void. It isn't even like it's their best kids! At the start of the season, their best prospects are farmed out on loan to gain first-team experience. It's the kids who remain, the younger ones who aren't regarded as ready for first-team football at League One/Championship level at that stage of their development. And those who weren't going to make it. I have to be honest: it's football, I'll probably turn up as one of the seventeen who do. I wish I had the courage of my convictions there, but quite honestly for me football is an escape and it doesn't matter who it's against. I support Huddersfield Town, and will watch every home game pretty much regardless. It probably makes me something of a hypocrite for what I'm about to say. Although I do agree. We - and any senior club in the Football League - should not be forced to play against teams like this. Manchester United in a cup tie, as equals, in a competitive fixture. In a league match, as equals, in a competitive fixture. Not an academy team for the purpose of using our players to develop theirs in a competition that actually has a heritage. The Football League Trophy, for all it is derided, is a proper chance for unfancied, unfashionable teams to get to Wembley, for fans to have the chance to see their team win a proper trophy when they'll never see an FA Cup win or maybe even a run beyond the third round. It might be secondary for many. But for many it's a tremendous competition, and many clubs have great memories of it. Under 21 teams cheapen it, moreso when you see that in the past players like Peter Crouch - well into his 30s - have played for Stoke U21s to build fitness. It undermines the 'rationale' of the teams who wanted to force it through. Attendances at FLT games have dropped significantly since this change. They weren't great to start with. I remember something like 2,200 turning up against Peterborough in 2010. A game between top League One sides, of good quality, where both sides were more or less first XIs. Against Manchester United U21s - I'd anticipate maybe 700 or 800 at a push, even with discount tickets. It costs clubs money, where before it made a little, at least. But of course the big clubs will argue that the so-called solidarity payments offset that. They shouldn't have to. I see that Premier League clubs are now trying to create a competition with National League clubs to allow their players to play more competitive games. Well how about this for a (well, two) suggestion: Stop stockpiling players and demanding huge loan fees to allow players to go out and learn their trade in the lower leagues in proper fixtures, 46 or more times a season. And secondly, shove these degrading ideas up your pompous, arrogant arses. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 28, 2024 13:11:49 GMT 1
It's degrading to the club. You might think that's an over reaction but it's how I feel. Our great club should not be playing any club's U21s in a competitive fixture. To add a little perspective we beat them in a league fixture not that long ago. I hope nobody turns up and we play our kids. I'm not sure how much money changed hands to allow this but it's a flippin travesty imo, I'm amazed it's just been accepted tbh, expected more backlash. I guess clubs don't really have a choice but fans do. I wouldn't go if they paid me. It's not a snobbish thing either, you respect the competition you're in and like it or not we're now in the third tier and deservedly so. It's the U21s thing for me, renders the whole thing null and void. It isn't even like it's their best kids! At the start of the season, their best prospects are farmed out on loan to gain first-team experience. It's the kids who remain, the younger ones who aren't regarded as ready for first-team football at League One/Championship level at that stage of their development. And those who weren't going to make it. I have to be honest: it's football, I'll probably turn up as one of the seventeen who do. I wish I had the courage of my convictions there, but quite honestly for me football is an escape and it doesn't matter who it's against. I support Huddersfield Town, and will watch every home game pretty much regardless. It probably makes me something of a hypocrite for what I'm about to say. Although I do agree. We - and any senior club in the Football League - should not be forced to play against teams like this. Manchester United in a cup tie, as equals, in a competitive fixture. In a league match, as equals, in a competitive fixture. Not an academy team for the purpose of using our players to develop theirs in a competition that actually has a heritage. The Football League Trophy, for all it is derided, is a proper chance for unfancied, unfashionable teams to get to Wembley, for fans to have the chance to see their team win a proper trophy when they'll never see an FA Cup win or maybe even a run beyond the third round. It might be secondary for many. But for many it's a tremendous competition, and many clubs have great memories of it. Under 21 teams cheapen it, moreso when you see that in the past players like Peter Crouch - well into his 30s - have played for Stoke U21s to build fitness. It undermines the 'rationale' of the teams who wanted to force it through. Attendances at FLT games have dropped significantly since this change. They weren't great to start with. I remember something like 2,200 turning up against Peterborough in 2010. A game between top League One sides, of good quality, where both sides were more or less first XIs. Against Manchester United U21s - I'd anticipate maybe 700 or 800 at a push, even with discount tickets. It costs clubs money, where before it made a little, at least. But of course the big clubs will argue that the so-called solidarity payments offset that. They shouldn't have to. I see that Premier League clubs are now trying to create a competition with National League clubs to allow their players to play more competitive games. Well how about this for a (well, two) suggestion: Stop stockpiling players and demanding huge loan fees to allow players to go out and learn their trade in the lower leagues in proper fixtures, 46 or more times a season. And secondly, shove these degrading ideas up your pompous, arrogant arses. Wish I could like this twice |
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Post by canuckterrier99 on Jun 28, 2024 13:43:57 GMT 1
Whilst I don't like the idea of U21 teams in this cup, it should be remembered that for the majority of countries in Europe the top clubs' U21/U23 teams play within the regular league structure. Some to a greater extent (Germany, Spain, Netherlands) than others (Turkey, Italy). We even got rather a good manager from one such team!
They have caveats that these teams can't get promoted to the top division, in the same way that an U21 team can't get to the League Trophy final, but I wouldn't say that I would outright refuse to watch football from other European leagues because of this.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 28, 2024 13:46:24 GMT 1
I'll be taking my lad to see the utd u21s. It may well be an education for young kids - seeing the elite youth players from an academy that regularly produces world class players. What's not to like? If it were a friendly loads of us would go - what's the difference, really? My old man took me to see Town reserves v Man Utd when Bryan Robson made a comeback from injury. Was a few there as well |
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Post by royrace on Jun 28, 2024 17:33:48 GMT 1
Whilst I don't like the idea of U21 teams in this cup, it should be remembered that for the majority of countries in Europe the top clubs' U21/U23 teams play within the regular league structure. Some to a greater extent (Germany, Spain, Netherlands) than others (Turkey, Italy). We even got rather a good manager from one such team! They have caveats that these teams can't get promoted to the top division, in the same way that an U21 team can't get to the League Trophy final, but I wouldn't say that I would outright refuse to watch football from other European leagues because of this. Good point but doesn't mean we should go down that route. I'm guessing the pyramid is nowhere near as good in those countries that pad the leagues out with B teams. |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jun 28, 2024 17:56:46 GMT 1
Whilst I don't like the idea of U21 teams in this cup, it should be remembered that for the majority of countries in Europe the top clubs' U21/U23 teams play within the regular league structure. Some to a greater extent (Germany, Spain, Netherlands) than others (Turkey, Italy). We even got rather a good manager from one such team! They have caveats that these teams can't get promoted to the top division, in the same way that an U21 team can't get to the League Trophy final, but I wouldn't say that I would outright refuse to watch football from other European leagues because of this. That's a shame. Would love to see the sponsors face if Fulham U21 played Everton U21 in the final say. Also a bit unfair on the U21 teams not being allowed to win the trophy. Even though they shouldn't be in it in the first place. Would much prefer to see National League teams in there. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 28, 2024 19:22:14 GMT 1
I won't sleep tonight in anticipation for tomorrow's draw.
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Post by skies666 on Aug 19, 2024 10:37:12 GMT 1
Not that I have a massive interest in this competition, but cant seem to see the fixtures on our website (although they have sync'd into my outlook calendar). Also doesn't show them on the EFL website. Only reason I was looking was because my mates a Donny fan and toyed with the idea of going. Seems strange that there's no mention of it anywhere. (unless Im being completely stupid, which is a possibility 😂)
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 19, 2024 11:34:08 GMT 1
Not that I have a massive interest in this competition, but cant seem to see the fixtures on our website (although they have sync'd into my outlook calendar). Also doesn't show them on the EFL website. Only reason I was looking was because my mates a Donny fan and toyed with the idea of going. Seems strange that there's no mention of it anywhere. (unless Im being completely stupid, which is a possibility 😂) 3rd September. All the fixtures are here with the sky live games listed. www.skysports.com/huddersfield-town-fixtures |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 19, 2024 11:34:12 GMT 1
Not that I have a massive interest in this competition, but cant seem to see the fixtures on our website (although they have sync'd into my outlook calendar). Also doesn't show them on the EFL website. Only reason I was looking was because my mates a Donny fan and toyed with the idea of going. Seems strange that there's no mention of it anywhere. (unless Im being completely stupid, which is a possibility 😂) They're not on our website, but they are on the BBC fixtures for Town. You'll need to skip to Sep, Oct and Nov. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/huddersfield-town/scores-fixtures |
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Post by Wingman on Aug 19, 2024 11:38:18 GMT 1
Whilst not a fan of the competition, it did do wonders for us back in ‘93-94 so we can’t dismiss it. Not a bad group either with Donny Rovers and Man U kids in there. Barnsley is the banana skin. My biggest fear with this competition is players getting injured as we head into the Winter schedule, where squads can begin to be tested a bit.
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Post by irverino on Aug 19, 2024 12:16:19 GMT 1
Whilst not a fan of the competition, it did do wonders for us back in ‘93-94 so we can’t dismiss it. Not a bad group either with Donny Rovers and Man U kids in there. Barnsley is the banana skin. My biggest fear with this competition is players getting injured as we head into the Winter schedule, where squads can begin to be tested a bit. Town are joint 3rd favs to lift the trophy @14/1......A double with L1 title (@6/1) is 104/1. |
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Post by terryya on Aug 19, 2024 12:20:06 GMT 1
Not that I have a massive interest in this competition, but cant seem to see the fixtures on our website (although they have sync'd into my outlook calendar). Also doesn't show them on the EFL website. Only reason I was looking was because my mates a Donny fan and toyed with the idea of going. Seems strange that there's no mention of it anywhere. (unless Im being completely stupid, which is a possibility 😂) Hopefully the fact they can't even be arsed putting them on the website is indicative of our general approach to the trophy. |
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 19, 2024 12:25:05 GMT 1
I would sack it off. If it was up to me I would withdraw from it. Ever since they put these u21 teams in from outside the efl, it’s been a joke. There was nothing wrong with the old format, but if they are going to disrespect it by putting prem kids teams in, I would show it the same level of respect. Take the fa cup and league cup seriously, and fuck off this competition until they actually make the efl trophy for first team efl clubs again.
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Post by terrierneil on Aug 19, 2024 12:44:09 GMT 1
U21 are not allowed to win it? Lol what a pathetic cup this is, I would hate for us to win it and have it on our 'honours' list.
The only people who will go to the Man Utd U21 game are those plastic fans of Huddersfield (of which there are unfortunately many) who also 'support' Man Utd.
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Post by andyboothscat on Aug 19, 2024 13:45:58 GMT 1
Are appearances and goals in this competition recognised as senior ones for the record books - or are they treat the same way as friendlies?
I presume they do count against fellow L1/L2 teams but with regards the game against the U21s - do they?
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Post by mosher on Aug 19, 2024 14:35:50 GMT 1
Are appearances and goals in this competition recognised as senior ones for the record books - or are they treat the same way as friendlies? I presume they do count against fellow L1/L2 teams but with regards the game against the U21s - do they? Someone posted on (I think) the Callum Marshall thread that the goals he or Joe Taylor scored in this comp last season haven't been added to their stats, so possibly they don't. |
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