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Post by detox on Nov 1, 2024 19:13:49 GMT 1
Watched the 'we are premier league' DVD again this afternoon.... The contrast in movement, passing and numbers up in the opponents box contrasts remarkably from what I'm seeing now with Town. The biggest thing is the 'pass and move', the options always available to the man on the ball,the attacking intent, the goals from Kachunga sneaking into the 6 yard box to head home.. I know it's a Town team at it's peak but bloody hell it's mile away from the statuesque dross we're seeing nowadays , and in prior seasons... Lowe talked of the fitness of the team but surely our lads should be just as fit..but the coordinated movement is non existent now... Was a bit of a shock tbh to see how bloody poor we are..in comparison
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Post by mosher on Nov 1, 2024 19:27:47 GMT 1
Watched the 'we are premier league' DVD again this afternoon.... The contrast in movement, passing and numbers up in the opponents box contrasts remarkably from what I'm seeing now with Town. The biggest thing is the 'pass and move', the options always available to the man on the ball,the attacking intent, the goals from Kachunga sneaking into the 6 yard box to head home.. I know it's a Town team at it's peak but bloody hell it's mile away from the statuesque dross we're seeing nowadays , and in prior seasons... Lowe talked of the fitness of the team but surely our lads should be just as fit..but the coordinated movement is non existent now... Was a bit of a shock tbh to see how bloody poor we are..in comparison A league one team is worse than a PL team? Well I never! š Sorry mate couldnāt resist š |
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Post by detox on Nov 1, 2024 20:14:01 GMT 1
Watched the 'we are premier league' DVD again this afternoon.... The contrast in movement, passing and numbers up in the opponents box contrasts remarkably from what I'm seeing now with Town. The biggest thing is the 'pass and move', the options always available to the man on the ball,the attacking intent, the goals from Kachunga sneaking into the 6 yard box to head home.. I know it's a Town team at it's peak but bloody hell it's mile away from the statuesque dross we're seeing nowadays , and in prior seasons... Lowe talked of the fitness of the team but surely our lads should be just as fit..but the coordinated movement is non existent now... Was a bit of a shock tbh to see how bloody poor we are..in comparison A league one team is worse than a PL team? Well I never! š Sorry mate couldnāt resist š Fair comment, but that championship team was massively better than the championship teams of the past 4 years.. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 1, 2024 20:21:46 GMT 1
A league one team is worse than a PL team? Well I never! š Sorry mate couldnāt resist š Fair comment, but that championship team was massively better than the championship teams of the past 4 years.. Oh yeah, that team that Herr Wagner built was superb, just wish lightning would strike twice |
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Post by detox on Nov 1, 2024 21:20:07 GMT 1
Fair comment, but that championship team was massively better than the championship teams of the past 4 years.. Oh yeah, that team that Herr Wagner built was superb, just wish lightning would strike twice It's more to do with putting in the hard yards, you don't have to be a star to do that, just have a bit of bottle and commitment. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 1, 2024 23:16:00 GMT 1
Oh yeah, that team that Herr Wagner built was superb, just wish lightning would strike twice It's more to do with putting in the hard yards, you don't have to be a star to do that, just have a bit of bottle and commitment. Yep and hard graft mixed with Mooy Magic was just perfect |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 1, 2024 23:19:49 GMT 1
If this club has anything about it and any ambition of getting up this season then they will send Marshall back in January and sign someone far better. He's the easiest of the lot to shift on and who cares if we upset West Ham if that is the calibre of player coming through their academy. Mipo and now Marshall, it's no wonder you see so few players breaking through there.
We've got 6 strikers, 4 of them are not good enough, 1 is always injured and the best one is actually a winger. It's beyond a joke
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Post by Terriersmad on Nov 1, 2024 23:23:50 GMT 1
If this club has anything about it and any ambition of getting up this season then they will send Marshall back in January and sign someone far better. He's the easiest of the lot to shift on and who cares if we upset West Ham if that is the calibre of player coming through their academy. Mipo and now Marshall, it's no wonder you see so few players breaking through there. We've got 6 strikers, 4 of them are not good enough, 1 is always injured and the best one is actually a winger. It's beyond a joke Harsh on Marshall, but not the worst idea. He'll go on and have a good career I think (unlike yourself!) but in this pool of samey forwards he's not offering anything other than graft when we need more quality. We need to do a number of things: 1. Bring in a target man. A proper physical rough and tumbler who can mix it and battle and hold the ball up while occupying defenders. We're going long, so it needs to stick. 2. Bring in someone with proper pace. Someone who can get in behind a high line and cause problems. Marshall could be that had he the pace. Koroma can do that, but he's better on the left. 3. Get some wingers in for variety. Two of them, one left, one right. A couple of quick, tricky wingers who can add an X-factor. We're predictable and limited. When we play well, we play well. When we don't, we bomb badly because we have no variety, no options. |
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Post by bradley1985 on Nov 1, 2024 23:27:25 GMT 1
Defoe as a West Ham loanee broke scoring records in this division
Marshall isnāt premier league quality, heāll never play above league one imho
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Nov 1, 2024 23:31:26 GMT 1
Worth noting the definition of force here;
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 1, 2024 23:33:09 GMT 1
If this club has anything about it and any ambition of getting up this season then they will send Marshall back in January and sign someone far better. He's the easiest of the lot to shift on and who cares if we upset West Ham if that is the calibre of player coming through their academy. Mipo and now Marshall, it's no wonder you see so few players breaking through there. We've got 6 strikers, 4 of them are not good enough, 1 is always injured and the best one is actually a winger. It's beyond a joke Harsh on Marshall, but not the worst idea. He'll go on and have a good career I think (unlike yourself!) but in this pool of samey forwards he's not offering anything other than graft when we need more quality. We need to do a number of things: 1. Bring in a target man. A proper physical rough and tumbler who can mix it and battle and hold the ball up while occupying defenders. We're going long, so it needs to stick. 2. Bring in someone with proper pace. Someone who can get in behind a high line and cause problems. Marshall could be that had he the pace. Koroma can do that, but he's better on the left. 3. Get some wingers in for variety. Two of them, one left, one right. A couple of quick, tricky wingers who can add an X-factor. We're predictable and limited. When we play well, we play well. When we don't, we bomb badly because we have no variety, no options. Re your point number 1. This is key in my opinion. But has been ignored for years. For those unsure, think back to the impact made when we signed Grant Holt. |
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Post by htafcdan on Nov 18, 2024 12:32:51 GMT 1
Gonna be a weird one in January our striker situation. We need another striker but currently have Marshall, Koroma, Ward, Healey ,Ladapo , Radulovic , Phillips, Harratt and Hudlin all contracted to us.
To get another striker in surely that would mean getting rid of at least 2 of those above? But the question is who would take them? I canāt see Marshall being recalled or us sending him back, no club with common sense would sign Ladapo Ward or Radulovic, and I doubt any clubs would risk signing Healey given his injury record. So the only one i could see leaving is Koroma to possibly a lower end championship side. Phillips will probably be sent out again and Hudlin/Harratt are there to worry about come next summer.
It just all seems a mess to me, and if we want for example Taylor from Luton, havent we already got 3 players on loan therefore canāt have another? If we canāt then I doubt we would get him as Luton would want well over a million for him Iād think. Plus if he came heās played 80 minutes so it would be another one we have to āget match fitā. So do we trust Cartwright to find an alternative?!
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Post by fredcarno1 on Nov 18, 2024 12:48:03 GMT 1
Gonna be a weird one in January our striker situation. We need another striker but currently have Marshall, Koroma, Ward, Healey ,Ladapo , Radulovic , Phillips, Harratt and Hudlin all contracted to us. To get another striker in surely that would mean getting rid of at least 2 of those above? But the question is who would take them? I canāt see Marshall being recalled or us sending him back, no club with common sense would sign Ladapo Ward or Radulovic, and I doubt any clubs would risk signing Healey given his injury record. So the only one i could see leaving is Koroma to possibly a lower end championship side. Phillips will probably be sent out again and Hudlin/Harratt are there to worry about come next summer. It just all seems a mess to me, and if we want for example Taylor from Luton, havent we already got 3 players on loan therefore canāt have another? If we canāt then I doubt we would get him as Luton would want well over a million for him Iād think. Plus if he came heās played 80 minutes so it would be another one we have to āget match fitā. So do we trust Cartwright to find an alternative?! Think youāre absolutely bang on the money, but the whole situation is one entirely of our own making. Iād happily get shut of all of them bar Koroma, Iām including Healey in that due to his injury record. Thing is who would realistically want to take any of them ? Possibly we may get another club to take Ward, Harratt and Hudlin on a free. Weād have to take hits on Radulovic and Ladapo who have turned out to be absolutely dreadful signings on every level. Although I suspect theyāll be happy to see the rest of their contracts out here because neither of them are even League 1 level. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 18, 2024 12:50:53 GMT 1
Half of them out on loan, I imagine........
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 18, 2024 13:08:19 GMT 1
9 strikers and not one you can have any confidence in scoring 10+ goals for the season for various reasons. Crazy
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Post by htafcdan on Nov 18, 2024 13:10:57 GMT 1
9 strikers and not one you can have any confidence in scoring 10+ goals for the season for various reasons. Crazy Exactly this. Surely Kevin can see Cartwright is an absolute bum and needs sacking. Heās signed 4/9 themš¤£. 2(Ladapo and Radulovic) looking the worst of the bunch |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 18, 2024 13:14:33 GMT 1
I really don't get why they didn't cancel Harratt's contract FOC when they had the chance
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Nov 18, 2024 13:26:28 GMT 1
There must be a chance of Newport County wanting Hudlin permanently given heās having a decent loan spell with them. Might need Town to accept a partial payoff to offset the likely reduction in Hudlinās salary, but so be it. Heāll never make it at Town, so there needs to be pragmatism all round.
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 18, 2024 13:40:22 GMT 1
A club can only cancel a players contract if they have 'just cause'. That's why it hardly ever happens. You only really get contracts cancelled by mutual agreement.
Just cause can be hard to prove. In Harratt's case the Hare Coursing probably wouldn't have been seen as just cause for the club to terminate his contract. Same with the gambling.
If a club cancels a players contract without just cause then they can be subject to sanctions, such as transfer bans and fines etc.
In terms of the January window, I recon we might see Bojan on his way. Sounds like he almost went in the summer. I would imagine his Agent has been talking to a lot of clubs and now that he's playing and fit, I recon he'll be off. Marshall, will most likely stay with us, unless West Ham agree to take him back, which they probably wont as he has been getting game time. You can't just send a player back unless the parent club agrees. Remember Chelsea didn't take Tino back when he was injured. Ward will only go if a local club wants to offer him a 2.5 year contract. Unlikely anyone will pay anything for him though as he's a free agent in the summer, so anyone interested will wait till then and offer him a 2 year deal as a free agent.
If we can move Bojan on that would leave us with Koroma, Healey, Marshall, Ward & Ladapo. I recon there's room to bring a couple in on permanent deals, especially with Koroma and Ward's contracts up at the end of the season and Marshall going back to West Ham in the summer.
Phillips is the interesting one. If he looks like he's fit and firing when he joins back up with the B Team then Duff may see him as a useful option. Especially as he said he previously tried to sign him
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2024 13:41:10 GMT 1
Gonna be a weird one in January our striker situation. We need another striker but currently have Marshall, Koroma, Ward, Healey ,Ladapo , Radulovic , Phillips, Harratt and Hudlin all contracted to us. To get another striker in surely that would mean getting rid of at least 2 of those above? But the question is who would take them? I canāt see Marshall being recalled or us sending him back, no club with common sense would sign Ladapo Ward or Radulovic, and I doubt any clubs would risk signing Healey given his injury record. So the only one i could see leaving is Koroma to possibly a lower end championship side. Phillips will probably be sent out again and Hudlin/Harratt are there to worry about come next summer. It just all seems a mess to me, and if we want for example Taylor from Luton, havent we already got 3 players on loan therefore canāt have another? If we canāt then I doubt we would get him as Luton would want well over a million for him Iād think. Plus if he came heās played 80 minutes so it would be another one we have to āget match fitā. So do we trust Cartwright to find an alternative?! A couple of the usually itk people on here have intimated there's a Ā£2m fee agreed already; apparently we don't want him on loan but on a permanent. I just hope Cartwright hasn't put all his eggs in one basket again like I believe he did with May and then Taylor 1st time around. |
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Post by htafcdan on Nov 18, 2024 13:43:15 GMT 1
Gonna be a weird one in January our striker situation. We need another striker but currently have Marshall, Koroma, Ward, Healey ,Ladapo , Radulovic , Phillips, Harratt and Hudlin all contracted to us. To get another striker in surely that would mean getting rid of at least 2 of those above? But the question is who would take them? I canāt see Marshall being recalled or us sending him back, no club with common sense would sign Ladapo Ward or Radulovic, and I doubt any clubs would risk signing Healey given his injury record. So the only one i could see leaving is Koroma to possibly a lower end championship side. Phillips will probably be sent out again and Hudlin/Harratt are there to worry about come next summer. It just all seems a mess to me, and if we want for example Taylor from Luton, havent we already got 3 players on loan therefore canāt have another? If we canāt then I doubt we would get him as Luton would want well over a million for him Iād think. Plus if he came heās played 80 minutes so it would be another one we have to āget match fitā. So do we trust Cartwright to find an alternative?! A couple of the usually itk people on here have intimated there's a Ā£2m fee agreed already; apparently we don't want him on loan but on a permanent. I just hope Cartwright hasn't put all his eggs in one basket again like I believe he did with May and then Taylor 1st time around. Believe it was Alan Nixon who reported that. So not sure if itās true |
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2024 13:53:04 GMT 1
A couple of the usually itk people on here have intimated there's a Ā£2m fee agreed already; apparently we don't want him on loan but on a permanent. I just hope Cartwright hasn't put all his eggs in one basket again like I believe he did with May and then Taylor 1st time around. Believe it was Alan Nixon who reported that. So not sure if itās true Aaaah, so the itk people who posted it on here may have just been regurgitating Nixon's bollocks? Edit: Re-read that back and sounds naughty  |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 18, 2024 14:07:20 GMT 1
Makes me laugh the way so many ramble on here about 'cancelling contracts' and 'terminating loans' like it's as simple as returning a dodgy purchase off Amazon.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Nov 18, 2024 14:23:44 GMT 1
There must be a chance of Newport County wanting Hudlin permanently given heās having a decent loan spell with them. Might need Town to accept a partial payoff to offset the likely reduction in Hudlinās salary, but so be it. Heāll never make it at Town, so there needs to be pragmatism all round. I agree. Koroma is also a likely "out" as his contract is up in July and I really can't see the club wanting to renew it yet again; in truth, he's really not that good. The Joe Taylor saga might also have a twist... The last I read was Nixon or the bloke at the Telegraph saying that Luton would most likely look on us kindly in January because they mucked us about in the summer, but my personal feeling is that they will not sell because they are dangerously close to the drop themselves. If they should be relegated they'll lose Morris, Adebayo, and Brown, making Taylor their first choice. It's also quite possible that manager Edwards won't see Christmas, and an incoming new manager might well fancy Taylor as a starter. I'm certainly not pinning my hopes on getting him at all. |
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Post by jimmymcgill64 on Nov 18, 2024 14:23:58 GMT 1
FWIW Millwall are considering Macauley Langstaff to go out on loan initially as he has not fitted in to Millwalls style of play. He had been a prolific scorer at Notts County and could do very well at Town.
It also had on the local East Midlands news that Derby are looking closely at signing Joe Taylor from Luton. Letās hope Town pull their fingers out as either or both of these would make a potent strike force and get in before others pinch them from under our nose.
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 18, 2024 14:34:42 GMT 1
A club can only cancel a players contract if they have 'just cause'. That's why it hardly ever happens. You only really get contracts cancelled by mutual agreement. Just cause can be hard to prove. In Harratt's case the Hare Coursing probably wouldn't have been seen as just cause for the club to terminate his contract. Same with the gambling. If a club cancels a players contract without just cause then they can be subject to sanctions, such as transfer bans and fines etc. In terms of the January window, I recon we might see Bojan on his way. Sounds like he almost went in the summer. I would imagine his Agent has been talking to a lot of clubs and now that he's playing and fit, I recon he'll be off. Marshall, will most likely stay with us, unless West Ham agree to take him back, which they probably wont as he has been getting game time. You can't just send a player back unless the parent club agrees. Remember Chelsea didn't take Tino back when he was injured. Ward will only go if a local club wants to offer him a 2.5 year contract. Unlikely anyone will pay anything for him though as he's a free agent in the summer, so anyone interested will wait till then and offer him a 2 year deal as a free agent. If we can move Bojan on that would leave us with Koroma, Healey, Marshall, Ward & Ladapo. I recon there's room to bring a couple in on permanent deals, especially with Koroma and Ward's contracts up at the end of the season and Marshall going back to West Ham in the summer. Phillips is the interesting one. If he looks like he's fit and firing when he joins back up with the B Team then Duff may see him as a useful option. Especially as he said he previously tried to sign him Would the gambling suspension not be a just cause? Doubt we'll see him play for us again either way. Bojan is on such a long contract, I worry we won't be able to get shut. Marshall will continue to chip in, he's been worse alongside Bojan but he makes a good pair with Koroma. I'd be more interested in seeing how Phillips stacks up than playing Ladapo. |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 18, 2024 14:51:57 GMT 1
A club can only cancel a players contract if they have 'just cause'. That's why it hardly ever happens. You only really get contracts cancelled by mutual agreement. Just cause can be hard to prove. In Harratt's case the Hare Coursing probably wouldn't have been seen as just cause for the club to terminate his contract. Same with the gambling. If a club cancels a players contract without just cause then they can be subject to sanctions, such as transfer bans and fines etc. In terms of the January window, I recon we might see Bojan on his way. Sounds like he almost went in the summer. I would imagine his Agent has been talking to a lot of clubs and now that he's playing and fit, I recon he'll be off. Marshall, will most likely stay with us, unless West Ham agree to take him back, which they probably wont as he has been getting game time. You can't just send a player back unless the parent club agrees. Remember Chelsea didn't take Tino back when he was injured. Ward will only go if a local club wants to offer him a 2.5 year contract. Unlikely anyone will pay anything for him though as he's a free agent in the summer, so anyone interested will wait till then and offer him a 2 year deal as a free agent. If we can move Bojan on that would leave us with Koroma, Healey, Marshall, Ward & Ladapo. I recon there's room to bring a couple in on permanent deals, especially with Koroma and Ward's contracts up at the end of the season and Marshall going back to West Ham in the summer. Phillips is the interesting one. If he looks like he's fit and firing when he joins back up with the B Team then Duff may see him as a useful option. Especially as he said he previously tried to sign him Doubt we'll see him play for us again either way. Bojan is on such a long contract, I worry we won't be able to get shut. Marshall will continue to chip in, he's been worse alongside Bojan but he makes a good pair with Koroma. I'd be more interested in seeing how Phillips stacks up than playing Ladapo. I don't think it would. I think the club would be expected to help the player with his gambling addiction/problem. Employees have a duty of care to their staff. Now if he was missing training sessions and matches because he was sat at home gambling online or something similar. Then potentially yes. But again, I would expect the club would be expected to try and help him first before terminating his contract. There would have to be a process to go through. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2024 15:18:57 GMT 1
Would the gambling suspension not be a just cause? Doubt we'll see him play for us again either way. Bojan is on such a long contract, I worry we won't be able to get shut. Marshall will continue to chip in, he's been worse alongside Bojan but he makes a good pair with Koroma. I'd be more interested in seeing how Phillips stacks up than playing Ladapo. I don't think it would. I think the club would be expected to help the player with his gambling addiction/problem. Employees have a duty of care to their staff. Now if he was missing training sessions and matches because he was sat at home gambling online or something similar. Then potentially yes. But again, I would expect the club would be expected to try and help him first before terminating his contract. There would have to be a process to go through. Whilst it IS nice in this day and age that some employers go down this route, I don't see why it's an employers' responsibility to constantly nanny their employees. Like I say, it is a nice thing that it happens, but I don't know why you (not personally, generally) would EXPECT an employer to do this. Edit: I mean the duty of care extending to our/their personal lives. eg I wouldn't expect my boss to pay for me rehab or keep me on whilst getting over an addiction, etc. Like I say it's a nice thing that it happens (we kept the job open for one of our drivers when he lost his licence, not many haulage firms would) but we shouldn't EXPECT it as such. |
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Post by rab030 on Nov 18, 2024 15:26:01 GMT 1
There must be a chance of Newport County wanting Hudlin permanently given heās having a decent loan spell with them. Might need Town to accept a partial payoff to offset the likely reduction in Hudlinās salary, but so be it. Heāll never make it at Town, so there needs to be pragmatism all round. I agree. Koroma is also a likely "out" as his contract is up in July and I really can't see the club wanting to renew it yet again; in truth, he's really not that good. The Joe Taylor saga might also have a twist... The last I read was Nixon or the bloke at the Telegraph saying that Luton would most likely look on us kindly in January because they mucked us about in the summer, but my personal feeling is that they will not sell because they are dangerously close to the drop themselves. If they should be relegated they'll lose Morris, Adebayo, and Brown, making Taylor their first choice. It's also quite possible that manager Edwards won't see Christmas, and an incoming new manager might well fancy Taylor as a starter. I'm certainly not pinning my hopes on getting him at all. Adebayor has scored twice in 15 appearances this season. Will be on big money so not convinced there will be a big queue. |
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Post by ram on Nov 19, 2024 11:20:28 GMT 1
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