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Post by shawsie on Aug 27, 2024 22:02:47 GMT 1
I'll stop posting tonight now cos I'm fuming, I think we've had a great start to the season so I just hope tonight was a one-off because it was pathetic from start to finish.... I couldn't believe we were actually 2 up but if anyone ever says to me again that playing against 10 men is harder, I'll quote them this game. Am with you si......... The whole match was marred by sloppiness, a lack of quality and too little desire. Thats on everyone tonight - nobody has played well and the manager's changes did nothing. Hopefully a reaction comes sat lunchtime. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Aug 27, 2024 22:02:52 GMT 1
I appreciate how you can watch the 11 idiots that played and somehow blame someone who didn’t. I ‘appreciate’ if you could point out where I somehow blame him for tonight? It’s the Walsall vs town thread and you’ve called someone a waste of a wage who didn’t play. Why bring him up? |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 27, 2024 22:03:17 GMT 1
I really don't know what we do on Saturday now, you might as well toss a coin about whether you pick Turton or Ruffels but it's the midfield I'm really concerned about, all 3 starters were pathetic, no decent tackling, no movement, no combinations ...nothing. I’m gonna be honest… Kasumu HAS to start… Hogg is the definitive problem it’s so fucking clear. He lacks pace, his cover is shocking, he doesn’t move into space, he lacks technical ability, lacks footballing IQ, lacks energy, lacks pace. It’s a constant car crash. Kasumu offers that solidity with pure energy, good tackles and pitch coverage. I said at the start of the window we needed Erhahon from Lincoln but of course we’ve been linked with fuck all Agree on Hogg but whilst I'll admit Kasumu has had an encouraging start to the season, I promise you he's not the answer. We simply need much better because this squad is top ten at best without significant improvements. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Aug 27, 2024 22:03:26 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. Are those scores out of 100? |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 27, 2024 22:03:29 GMT 1
One point again Can you imagine Town 0 2 down at home in the second half against a team from the division above and winning? Once in a fucking 60 year lifetime and possibly never. Can you imagine Town coming back from 2-0 down against 10 men? I can't imagine Town coming back from 2 down end of. |
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Post by Tiro on Aug 27, 2024 22:04:17 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. I’ve just read that, and it’s the first time I can say I have completely disagreed with them. They are (mostly) impartial and don’t have the same emotional connection as we do, which is largely why I listen to them and consider them good at what they do. But in no way do I think they can have watched the same game tonight. If on balance Wiles gets a 4 (which I don’t doubt) and Ruffels gets an 8 (even with the goal) then I can only imagine their scoring system stretches to beyond a 10. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 27, 2024 22:04:18 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. Youre easily pleased sir. |
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Post by gowlinggoal on Aug 27, 2024 22:04:37 GMT 1
Thought Maxwell and Ruffels were the only ones on it tonight. Perhaps the wake up call we need. Soft sending off and penalty. A decent night for the players that didn’t get on the pitch.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 27, 2024 22:04:53 GMT 1
The Sunday league stuff shown in periods against Stevenage and Shrewsbury, has lasted for almost 90 minutes. It has been coming, the standards have been so low for 2 seasons its clear they have not been raised properly as yet. This clearly we will be a lot better on Saturday or after that isnt clear to me. I was embarrassed by my team again, its happened too often for too long. Too many prepared to steal wages too often. The club needed a full enema, its not had one yet. It doesnt happen overnight tho.....no need for kneejerk stuff but the players need telling that was shite and unacceptable. The saddest thing for me is a few (both young and experienced) had a chance to stake a claim yet again and did little or nothing - headley, harratt, turton, ruffels, pearson. Comes from above, comes with real competition for places and the knowledge the manager can bench you when he pleases and replace you, the knowledge the owner isnt averse to telling you to fuck off home and pick up your wage from there. Im not seeing great camaraderie and team spirit so playing for places is probably our best bet to raise standards all round. Give the manager the stick to beat them if he cant get them to want to put more in. They cant be 'bad' players, they are players playing very badly. If Duff has tried to cuddle a few and speak man to man to others and we can still turn out that lifeless, spineless, clueless and CARELESS performance, then other tactics have to be used? |
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Post by uw2ba on Aug 27, 2024 22:05:09 GMT 1
Our two wing backs miller and Sorenson are the only real game changers from last season. As soon as neither are playing we go back to not being able to create anything from wingback. To be fair to ward his cross deserved to be buried.
Although this result might of come at a good time as we get rid of the deadwood and get some of these players waiting in the wings over the line
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Post by utttrooper on Aug 27, 2024 22:05:32 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. Agree with Turton. However I don't think Steven saw how many times Ruffels thought he was a Walsall player. |
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Post by formerlymirfin5 on Aug 27, 2024 22:05:40 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. Mr Chicken might lose a subscriber or two for that one. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 27, 2024 22:06:14 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. Who does that review belong to? Whoever it is has completely ignored the hatful of errors both made throughout the game. A rating of 5 for each is probably about fair |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 27, 2024 22:06:49 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. Who does that review belong to? Whoever it is has completely ignored the hatful of errors both made throughout the game. A rating of 5 for each is probably about fair Chicken |
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Post by specialun on Aug 27, 2024 22:07:12 GMT 1
I ‘appreciate’ if you could point out where I somehow blame him for tonight? It’s the Walsall vs town thread and you’ve called someone a waste of a wage who didn’t play. Why bring him up? I’m simply asking why he wasn’t playing I’d have hoped he’d have been available and started today If he’s injured already I do think he’s a waste of a wage having seen this happen several times the last few years - it’s an opinion. It doesn’t mean he’s to blame for todays performance If he’s not involved as starting Saturday it’s a managerial choice and would seem daft to play the 3 starters the last few games again |
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Post by Wingman on Aug 27, 2024 22:07:21 GMT 1
Switched the radio and telly off, can someone post Duff’s thoughts on here please? Hopefully he’s pretty angry.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 27, 2024 22:07:37 GMT 1
Perhaps a faairer reflection of these two: Ollie Turton - 7 Started in the middle of the back three. Played his way out of a couple of tight spaces and worked the offside trap well when appropriate. Shifted over to right-back for the second half as Town played 4-3-2. Josh Ruffels - 8 Made his first competitive outing since last November on the left of the Town rear trio. Looked a little rusty at times in the first moments of the game, entirely understandably, and allowed Lowe to buy a soft foul that got Ruffels booked in a precursor to Pearson’s later red. Grew into the game, though and made a couple of important last-ditch challenges late in the first half before marking his return with a powerful header to double the lead. Blocked a good Walsall effort late on that looked goalbound. Who does that review belong to? Whoever it is has completely ignored the hatful of errors both made throughout the game. A rating of 5 for each is probably about fair Wouldn’t surprise me if they were chicken’s. His ratings are often plucked out of thin air. |
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Post by ezzie on Aug 27, 2024 22:07:56 GMT 1
I’m gonna be honest… Kasumu HAS to start… Hogg is the definitive problem it’s so fucking clear. He lacks pace, his cover is shocking, he doesn’t move into space, he lacks technical ability, lacks footballing IQ, lacks energy, lacks pace. It’s a constant car crash. Kasumu offers that solidity with pure energy, good tackles and pitch coverage. I said at the start of the window we needed Erhahon from Lincoln but of course we’ve been linked with fuck all Agree on Hogg but whilst I'll admit Kasumu has had an encouraging start to the season, I promise you he's not the answer. We simply need much better because this squad is top ten at best without significant improvements. Oh no, don’t get me wrong I know he isn’t the answer but he’s by far the best player we’ve got in that position. For me it’s Kasumu > Iorpenda > me > Hogg Hogg being the worst |
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Post by efesodje23 on Aug 27, 2024 22:08:03 GMT 1
Duff has the same mind set as the previous managers were Hoggy is concerned,he hasn't the balls to drop him and you can count Danny Ward as another one who will not be dropped no matter how crap they perform!!! I can't see him intending on giving Hogg close to 270 minutes in the space of 7 days. So I'd imagine he started tonight as he was planning on dropping him to the bench against Rotherham anyway |
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Post by belizian on Aug 27, 2024 22:08:05 GMT 1
People seem to be forgetting that we had one less player on the pitch than them for most of the game. Two if you count Headley.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 27, 2024 22:08:09 GMT 1
Duff blaming the ref
Fuck me
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Post by stevehtfc on Aug 27, 2024 22:08:48 GMT 1
www.instagram.com/reel/C-yVcIPS4mf/?igsh=MXc3N3p6ZzQxMzYwNw==From what I see here let's swap these two at least. Harratt👉🏼Phillips. Pace and can finish. Scored 7 in 20 for Morecambe before he got injured at league one dwellers team. Already played 17 times and scored 10 over there so is fit. Radulovic back soon 🤞🏼 Healey Radulovic starters Marshall Phillips bench Ward play odd rotation game
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Post by shawsie on Aug 27, 2024 22:09:17 GMT 1
It doesnt happen overnight tho.....no need for kneejerk stuff but the players need telling that was shite and unacceptable. The saddest thing for me is a few (both young and experienced) had a chance to stake a claim yet again and did little or nothing - headley, harratt, turton, ruffels, pearson. Comes from above, comes with real competition for places and the knowledge the manager can bench you when he pleases and replace you, the knowledge the owner isnt averse to telling you to fuck off home and pick up your wage from there. Im not seeing great camaraderie and team spirit so playing for places is probably our best bet to raise standards all round. Give the manager the stick to beat them if he cant get them to want to put more in. They cant be 'bad' players, they are players playing very badly. If Duff has tried to cuddle a few and speak man to man to others and we can still turn out that lifeless, spineless, clueless and CARELESS performance, then other tactics have to be used? But we've done this for yrs....hence why i watched at home not at walsall. This acceptance of "its only the cup" does my swede in - why not win the games and build some momentum?! Big few days coming. |
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Post by stevvy on Aug 27, 2024 22:10:02 GMT 1
All 3 goals were avoidable and pathetic. Same with the penalty, absolutely fucking moronic from Headley. I know you can say we were down to 10 men, which is true, but the goals were pathetic in multiple ways regardless of how many players we had on the pitch.
Oh and as for Harratt with that header, fucking hell, my 10 year old daughter would have at least not headed it out for a fucking throw like Harratt did
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Post by rougeboy31 on Aug 27, 2024 22:10:05 GMT 1
He’s been poor but we haven’t exactly limited the other teams chances. Shrewsbury had about as many as us, same tonight , Peterborough had some decent ones. Only Stevenage did nothing going forward. Once again, our defence has had to do too much, the terrible midfield puts so much pressure on them all. Not necessarily about limiting the chances, our defence is playing about 20 yards further up the field than last year and the chances that have been created this year have been more on the break or 1v1's. whereas last year the goals we conceded were more about sheer weight of pressure on the box given we couldn't even get out of our half for most of the season. It might not be everyone’s cup of tea but I’ve always enjoyed the idea of scoring more instead of being bothered about conceding. It’s not completely sustainable but for years at town we’ve not even tried to put teams to the sword. I don’t think many fans would care if we won 4-2 every week but when we struggle to score more than 1 it makes it difficult to relax |
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 27, 2024 22:10:08 GMT 1
I thought Duff built his teams to be solid first and foremost, but we just looked all over the place there. Our midfield struggle to pass the ball to another player, Hogg in particular was a joke again. If you took out our passing between defenders/goalkeeper, our passing accuracy would be about 25%. If we are going to play Hogg all season, we might as well give up trying to play football, and just play long ball stuff. I have liked what I have seen and heard from Duff so far, but his insistence in playing Hogg really baffles me. I dont understand what he brings to this system we play other than breaking up our own attacks and giving the ball away. But obviously other people clearly think the opposite to me, because even in the post match interview last week, the interviewer started the question off saying he had a great game. So maybe im in the minority and im not seeing what others are seeing.
I would love to say this was a wake up call to get some more transfer business done, but a competitive game should never have to be a wake up call. Especially a game you are winning 2-0. I feel for the fans who went in decent numbers considering it was 2nd round, and watching us capitulate like that. I said before the season started we needed 5 or 6 more players. We signed Marshall, but with the decent start we made, I thought maybe 2 or 3 quality additions would be enough. That game was like watching the horror show of last season again, stuff of nightmares.
At least the ref will have gone home happy tonight though, after that performance. The diving about trying to get our players booked and sent off with minimal contact was pathetic, but its worse that the referee bought it. There is no way the Ruffels or Pearson contact was enough to even put the player off, never mind go down. If the contact isnt enough to bring the player down (apart from dangerous or 2 footed tackles), its not a free kick, never mind a red card. If Walsall play the game like that and they get wankers in charge like today, they will get a LOT of penalties this season, I wouldnt be surprised if they had had a few already. All the while we dont get stone wall penalties when we have players dragged to the ground round their neck. It sickens me how teams get so many penalties and men sent off against them, and we get fuck all. We arent doing something right.
I mean, the penalty for them, even that is soft. Headley is absolutely daft and he deserves to have it given against him, but look again at the Walsall player go down. You would have thought someone leg swiped him. A push like that at best would make you stumble, but deary me, he went down like someone on the roof had picked him off with a sniper rifle. And once again the ref bought it, cus he bought everything they did. Hes had a bad night at the office and we have paid the price for it.
Lot of work for Duff to do before Saturday.
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Post by keefer on Aug 27, 2024 22:10:51 GMT 1
My feelings, for what it's worth are that I don't give a flying fart about getting knocked out of this competition. What worries we is aspects of what we've seen in all 5 matches so far this season. The main concern is the one paced nature of the team, if you have speed of thought and good control of the ball then you can overcome lack of pace but Town have been so turgid that it's exactly the same as what we have watched for several seasons.
I think that all our players have a limit of ability and just now they are nowhere near that limit. When you are a man down the first thing you need to do is make sure that you treasure the ball and keep possession of it, I'm afraid that they failed miserably at that and went into total panic mode. Regardless of people's opinion, I don't think any of the players are as bad as they are showing just now and it is Duffs job to get those performance levels up to a suitable standard. How he does that will define our season
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Post by 28901 on Aug 27, 2024 22:10:54 GMT 1
Our two wing backs miller and Sorenson are the only real game changers from last season. As soon as neither are playing we go back to not being able to create anything from wingback. To be fair to ward his cross deserved to be buried. Although this result might of come at a good time as we get rid of the deadwood and get some of these players waiting in the wings over the line Bang on It's like Moore and Brietenshite all over again without Miller |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 27, 2024 22:11:01 GMT 1
Has Kasumu gone into his first of 6 injuries? If hasn't, he should be the first midfielder on the team sheet on Saturday. He's looked good in the cameos he's played so far and can't be any worse that those masquerading as midfielders tonight. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Aug 27, 2024 22:12:06 GMT 1
It’s the Walsall vs town thread and you’ve called someone a waste of a wage who didn’t play. Why bring him up? I’m simply asking why he wasn’t playing I’d have hoped he’d have been available and started today If he’s injured already I do think he’s a waste of a wage having seen this happen several times the last few years - it’s an opinion. It doesn’t mean he’s to blame for todays performance If he’s not involved as starting Saturday it’s a managerial choice and would seem daft to play the 3 starters the last few games again well I can agree on that, he has great energy and I can’t understand what people see in Hogg over him. He’s not technically good but his physical attributes are an asset for a pressing team |
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