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Post by Boothys Knees on Sept 21, 2024 19:32:19 GMT 1
Given the level we are at, the opposition we were playing, I reckon that was the worst performance and result since losing 4-0 at Macclesfield in December 2003.
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Post by softboy on Sept 21, 2024 19:32:21 GMT 1
What a demise of this club in such a short space of time. Booked a box for ,boxing day and dreading the score against Stockport County. How the turntables. Thats why until we have played 10/12 games we cannot give any real context This was a solid home win all day long. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 21, 2024 19:33:18 GMT 1
They had Schindler, colwill, Lowe, kongolo etc not to mention having O’Brien and mooy to pass it to. Yet people still made the same claims that only a Man City and the like should try and play way🤷🏼 'They' also had Hefele, Lees, Pearson and Hogg by the way! I don't know what you’ve watched over the last few years if you think playing out from the back is the way to go. Key point on the players you mention is that 3 are still at town for some reason and they’re all past it. |
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Post by soapystevens on Sept 21, 2024 19:36:36 GMT 1
I hate all this playing out from the back, i am still old fashioned play 442 use your wingers and get quality crosses in to the box.
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Post by boooothy on Sept 21, 2024 19:38:38 GMT 1
Is Nicholls getting away likely with that first goal? Surely he could have saved it or was it too quick for the brain to switch from feet to hands?
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Post by Wingman on Sept 21, 2024 19:39:03 GMT 1
What a demise of this club in such a short space of time. Booked a box for boxing day and dreading the score against Stockport County. How the turntables. Boxing Day is a long way off still. Worry about that when you open your Advent calendar 😉 |
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 21, 2024 19:40:19 GMT 1
And a special shout out to the ref for making the easiest game he could ever manage look impossible. Clueless with decisions, inconsistent all over, wastes) allows loads of time wasting, wastes loads of time himself and then doesn't bother adding it on. An arrogant wanker who thinks he's made it because he's had a few championship games. And before some dullard goes "the ref didn't cost us the game" - I know, we were shit, but he was just as bad if not worse. Couldn't disagree more, he let play flow and got all the major decisions spot on. Any ref that tells a player to leave the field at one side and then allows hire to say no and slowly jog with him across the pitch without sanction, is not in control and has shown immense weakness. The fact it took 4 mins to decide to book and send their player ( and apparently only because we told him to ) whilst JK was waiting to take the pen shows he was not having a good game IMO. |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 21, 2024 19:41:07 GMT 1
We don't overly play around at the back from what I have seen!? Never mind thinking they are Prem players or the like, if we cannot play a few passes round at the back, under very little pressure without the ball ending up in the net in the manner it did, that's a bigger worry to me!! I'm not talking about us, really. It's more an observation on football in general. Players who are not good enough to play the way they're asked by managers who appear to think they're a lower league Guardiola. Bolton, last week, is probably a good example. |
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Post by midge on Sept 21, 2024 19:41:45 GMT 1
Yet people still made the same claims that only a Man City and the like should try and play way🤷🏼 'They' also had Hefele, Lees, Pearson and Hogg by the way! I don't know what you’ve watched over the last few years if you think playing out from the back is the way to go. Key point on the players you mention is that 3 are still at town for some reason and they’re all past it. Where did I say that playing out from the back was or indeed wasn't the way forward!? I just find it humorous that we concede one goal like that , in a season where we have not really overplayed at the back, with a manager who isn't known for playing out from the back , in a manner that we really shouldn't be doing ( it was just a balls up, no real pressure)and everyone jumps on the 'players at this level can't do it' bandwagon!!?? Plenty of recent examples of teams who have 'played' their way out of this league BTW. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 21, 2024 19:42:44 GMT 1
Couldn't disagree more, he let play flow and got all the major decisions spot on. He let Northampton take the piss all game,which I'm not knocking them for by the way. 3 simple corner decisions totally wrong, and the shambles at the penalty making us wait 3 mins to take it because he couldn't work out who had made the foul. He only let the game flow after the 3rd goal when he realised he had to stop giving the cheap fouls he had before. Refereeing 101 is to keep an eye on celebrations after a goal. He turned his back after the 3rd and walked away, which is why he let them goad our fans and delay the game by about 2 minutes. A simple thing to do, he failed. The simplest thing of all is timekeeping. Nigh on 3 mins for the penalty, 3 or was it 4 bookings for time wasting, 2 goals, 8 subs and he plays 6 mins and 9 seconds. We wouldn't have scored, but that just incompetence. You can get major decisions right and still be very poor. I'd be very interested to see his review sheet from today. Isn't the time keeping the responsibility of the 4th official? 6 minutes was criminal with all the stoppages, subs and time wasting. The penalty alone must have been 5 minutes from being given to taking it. If it had been 2 3 and they only added 6 minutes can you imagine the reaction? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2024 19:48:26 GMT 1
I hate all this playing out from the back, i am still old fashioned play 442 use your wingers and get quality crosses in to the box. Its ok.. A. If you have the players to do it. B. If its done quickly. We dont have the players, especially the pivot player(s) to do it.. We dont do it quickly even when we manage to get the ball near halfway still in our possession. Hodge and Kane may change that therefore making it easier the centre halves. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 21, 2024 19:50:36 GMT 1
Sorensen has gone right off the boil after a good start to the season. Neither wingback offered us anything in attack today and were just as bad in defence. Helik had a mare, Lees wasn't much better either. Thought Lonwijk was just OK, put in a couple of big challenges and looked to get us going forward with mixed results. The midfield was disjointed until Hodge and Kane came on, the game just passed them by in the first half. Marshall didn't get a sniff and you could see the confidence seep out of Koroma after the penalty miss, good goal though.
Changes needed for the Blackpool game because some of those performances today were miles away from where they should be.
Fair play to Northampton, they capitalised on our mistakes and worked harder all over the pitch.
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Post by harris on Sept 21, 2024 19:52:00 GMT 1
Convinced the Hogg, Evans, Wiles combo is the worst we could have out of all the options we have at the club.
Hodge>Hogg
Iorpenda>Evans
Kane>Wiles
We can’t continue with Evans and Wiles especially - shirkers that don’t get involved whatsoever when the going gets tough. As for Hogg, we could be in a 5 on 2 attacking situation and he’d still turn around and go backwards for a safe option.
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Post by royrace on Sept 21, 2024 19:53:35 GMT 1
Looks bang average to me, culpable for first goal too. Hodge on the other hand looks a player. You seriously cannot blame him due to his pass to Helik that was straight to him on the floor. One person to blame for the goal Helik . If a manager expects you to pass to each other at the back don’t blame the player that passes correctly , if his instructions are to pass out way out of defense, which it clearly is this season your barking up the wrong tree . Helik has started the season poorly and needs to up his game and concentration levels he’s nowhere near fulfilling his potential and was 100 percent at fault for the og. It was a very poor pass to Helik who was marked and Nichols was out of position. He shouldn't have played it. That's not excusing Heliks idiotic pass. But on top of that my point is he looks bang average, I'd rather have Pearson albeit on the right with Lees on the left. |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Sept 21, 2024 19:54:34 GMT 1
Oh dear, what a shocker that was dreadful. I am lost for words after that, god help us if we get a lot of injuries again.
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Post by royrace on Sept 21, 2024 19:58:13 GMT 1
Is Nicholls getting away likely with that first goal? Surely he could have saved it or was it too quick for the brain to switch from feet to hands? I'd have liked to have seen him at least try I must admit but I suspect he was so far away he knew he'd got no chance. Idiotic pass to Helik bearing that in mind. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 21, 2024 20:01:42 GMT 1
You seriously cannot blame him due to his pass to Helik that was straight to him on the floor. One person to blame for the goal Helik . If a manager expects you to pass to each other at the back don’t blame the player that passes correctly , if his instructions are to pass out way out of defense, which it clearly is this season your barking up the wrong tree . Helik has started the season poorly and needs to up his game and concentration levels he’s nowhere near fulfilling his potential and was 100 percent at fault for the og. It was a very poor pass to Helik who was marked and Nichols was out of position. He shouldn't have played it. That's not excusing Heliks idiotic pass. But on top of that my point is he looks bang average, I'd rather have Pearson albeit on the right with Lees on the left. Well at least I definitely now know who to completely ignore on here .😂. Brilliant comedy post all of it . |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Sept 21, 2024 20:02:21 GMT 1
Nicholls made another pass i think it was to Lees but we got away with it that time, i cringe every time we try this playing out from the back you just know someone is going to make a mistake.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2024 20:02:37 GMT 1
Convinced the Hogg, Evans, Wiles combo is the worst we could have out of all the options we have at the club. Hodge>Hogg Iorpenda>Evans Kane>Wiles We can’t continue with Evans and Wiles especially - shirkers that don’t get involved whatsoever when the going gets tough. As for Hogg, we could be in a 5 on 2 attacking situation and he’d still turn around and go backwards for a safe option. Im convinced that if the other teams midfield is committed to covering the ground and supporting each other, wiles, evans and hogg will lose out. Kane to play the ball and link, hodge to be the pivot and holder and Iorpenda to cover the ground. Ladapo and Koroma start. Anyone but Headley, he has the concentration of a house brick and the positional awareness of a clothes post. Put Spencer there if Miller is still out. No idea really with the back 3, perhaps Pearson playing as just a centre back, no ball playing, might help.?? It might be a simple fix but get the ball forward quickly and close it down in their half, try to play on their mistakes. The more of the ball we have the less we look like doing much with it.? |
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Post by bogart on Sept 21, 2024 20:04:09 GMT 1
What a shambles. Spent 8 hours on train and bus to see that! Hogg winds me up without trying. A leader my arse.
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 21, 2024 20:06:33 GMT 1
Hogg is shite and always has been. Not sure I can raise much of an arguement against the first point today, but the second point plain and simply isn't true. |
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Post by Mounie for nothing on Sept 21, 2024 20:07:47 GMT 1
What a demise of this club in such a short space of time. Booked a box for boxing day and dreading the score against Stockport County. How the turntables. Pretty good to be fair, played a remix of Jason Derulo and it went off, so I thought the turntables sounded ok |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 21, 2024 20:12:39 GMT 1
Talk about a bad day at the office, I hope it's just that.
I guess you can't argue with not changing the team, apart from an injury, after winning 4-0 away from home, however, it was criminal to keep Hogg on when he should have been off as soon as we went 2 down. He wasn't playing badly & was probably the best of an awful midfield 3, however at 2 down we needed creativity & a chance of putting the ball in the net.
The first goal was a sick joke but the 2nd was probably a worse one to concede: the first was just a really shit pass, the second Lees let a man go on the halfway line, then we covered but let him turn & tee up a man who was in space, gave him time to give Nicholls the eyes & leave him flat footed.
If the 3rd wasn't a foul (I'd need to see it again) Sorenson needs an almighty bollocking.
Koroma didn't miss the pen cos of the time he was waiting, he wanted the GK to commit too early like last week but when he didn't, he got to the ball & could only weakly hit it. Really poor, just pick your spot, don't change your mind & hit it.
Really poor effort today, we can make amends Tuesday, Kane & Hodge have to start, with Ladapo, & Lees needs a rest.
Final word for the ref, he didn't affect the result, we managed that all by ourselves but he was shit. Their No 10 should have been sent off, already booked when he hauled someone back on the half way line, a load of soft fouls (for both teams) & a couple of ridiculous corners, & he allowed them to take the piss with all the time wasting, a particular highlight was him telling Fosu to go off the pitch on one side but then trotting after him half way to the other anyway.
We got what we deserved.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 21, 2024 20:13:04 GMT 1
We all love Helik for the goals that made a difference but he's a central part of a misfiring defence for a number of years. No rumours of championship teams wanting him in the summer... Why's that? I think we blocked his move to Derby... I could be wrong though. |
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Post by Morning Norwood on Sept 21, 2024 20:13:14 GMT 1
Folk still seem to think Hogg is the root of all our problems. Wiles had over a season to prove how shit he is. None of us know how shit Evans is yet, as he’s not involved in the games he’s currently playing, even though he’s on the pitch. If he was player of year at Brize last season, they must’ve had a really poor squad.
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Post by terrierneil on Sept 21, 2024 20:13:43 GMT 1
What a demise of this club in such a short space of time. Booked a box for boxing day and dreading the score against Stockport County. How the turntables. Why? They got battered 4-1 at home today by Leyton Orient. Did they? I have no interest in this shite division so didn't realise. Anyway, at least we can close the blinds that day. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 21, 2024 20:17:15 GMT 1
I don't know what you’ve watched over the last few years if you think playing out from the back is the way to go. Key point on the players you mention is that 3 are still at town for some reason and they’re all past it. Where did I say that playing out from the back was or indeed wasn't the way forward!? I just find it humorous that we concede one goal like that , in a season where we have not really overplayed at the back, with a manager who isn't known for playing out from the back , in a manner that we really shouldn't be doing ( it was just a balls up, no real pressure)and everyone jumps on the 'players at this level can't do it' bandwagon!!?? Plenty of recent examples of teams who have 'played' their way out of this league BTW. My opinion is what it affects on the attacking side. The defending is bad but for me I hate watching them pass side to side and wasting time. Didn’t hodge have our first shot on target at about 65 minutes. We don’t create anything so the slow build up isn’t just causing defensive problems |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 21, 2024 20:20:08 GMT 1
Folk still seem to think Hogg is the root of all our problems. Wiles had over a season to prove how shit he is. None of us know how shit Evans is yet, as he’s not involved in the games he’s currently playing, even though he’s on the pitch. If he was player of year at Brize last season, they must’ve had a really poor squad. All I’ll say in defence of Evans and wiles is that they can’t do anything when Hogg helik lees and longwijk a fucking about playing 5 yard passes all game. It should be Nicholls to helik and then to Hogg who turns and plays it forwards but I’m not sure we will ever see that |
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Post by rfashworth on Sept 21, 2024 20:26:41 GMT 1
Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango |
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Post by Dell12 on Sept 21, 2024 20:29:32 GMT 1
If the 3rd wasn't a foul (I'd need to see it again) Sorenson needs an almighty bollocking. I was watching online so had the benefit of replays. To be honest it wasn't a foul, their striker was just faster and stronger than Sorensen. That said 95 times out of 100 the referee will give a foul to a defender in that location, so I think in that respect he was unlucky. |
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