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Post by rockwall on Sept 22, 2024 13:10:33 GMT 1
Tuesday we have to make some changes. Go with a back 4 like we ended the game. Nicholls Spencer Lees helik longwijk Kane hodge Wiles Marshall ladapo koroma Positives from the game for me yesterday. 1. Ladapo looks like he can hold the ball properly. Not had anyone like that in a long time. 2. When we went to a back 4, Longwijk looked good at Left Back. 3. Even though the performance was dire, we didn't drop our heads at 3-0 and I genuinely think, of the pen goes in we win 4-3. 4. The result was needed. Glad it's come so early as now the squad and management know we can't think it's going to be easy. On your number 4 point haven’t we already seen similar collapses at Walsall and Rotherham? Not really. Walsall wasn't a full strength team. Rotherham was down to poor officiating. I also don't think we would have been complacent against Rotherham. |
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Post by terrierbite on Sept 22, 2024 13:12:32 GMT 1
Totally agree that Sorensen was so weak in the tackle and that led to an open run on goal ,my worry is that the manager said it was a foul ,he sounds so similar to Darren Moore in his assessment when I thought he would be a little more honest .
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 22, 2024 13:16:00 GMT 1
On your number 4 point haven’t we already seen similar collapses at Walsall and Rotherham? Not really. Walsall wasn't a full strength team. Rotherham was down to poor officiating. I also don't think we would have been complacent against Rotherham. Fair points. I think Duff needs to be more flexible with our formation and quicker to change things when they’re going wrong. If he’s learnt that from yesterday I’ll be happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 14:00:40 GMT 1
Agree totally with a lot of these comments but I'm afraid we are stuck with another stubborn bastard of a manager who just will not drop certain players for the good of the team.Hodge and Kane like some have said on here have to start Tuesday and Hoggy and Wiles out of the side simple as that will it happen,absolutely not Duff just doesn't have the nuts to do it so this negative,ineffective dross football will continue possibly until we are half way down the table and the penny finally drops,if at all. Too early to say that he won't drop players for the good of the team - we just won 4-0 the game before and played well, so wholesale changes shouldn't have been made. If he persists with the same starting lineup midweek, however, then I agree that questions need to be asked. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 22, 2024 14:04:45 GMT 1
I wonder if we’ll persist with Big Nige’s short long throws again? Seemed a bit pointless yesterday, especially when Josh and Callum were the front two (although to be fair they didn’t seem any more threatening once Freddie and Bojan came on).
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Post by terrier17 on Sept 22, 2024 14:04:48 GMT 1
On your number 4 point haven’t we already seen similar collapses at Walsall and Rotherham? Not really. Walsall wasn't a full strength team. Rotherham was down to poor officiating. I also don't think we would have been complacent against Rotherham. Regardless of the refereeing at Rotherham, we were dire all game and 2nd best for majority of the game. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2024 14:12:50 GMT 1
Tuesday we have to make some changes. Go with a back 4 like we ended the game. Nicholls Spencer Lees helik longwijk Kane hodge Wiles Marshall ladapo koroma Positives from the game for me yesterday. 1. Ladapo looks like he can hold the ball properly. Not had anyone like that in a long time. 2. When we went to a back 4, Longwijk looked good at Left Back. 3. Even though the performance was dire, we didn't drop our heads at 3-0 and I genuinely think, of the pen goes in we win 4-3. 4. The result was needed. Glad it's come so early as now the squad and management know we can't think it's going to be easy. Although we'll never know, but I agree, the pen goes in we go on and get at least a point as its likely Northampton might have crumbled at that point, 2 quick fire goals, a 3 nil lead cut to 1 within the space of a minute or 2 and down to 10, it was just the story of our day was the pen miss. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 14:16:04 GMT 1
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I do think that these poor performances are 95% about the mental side of the game, instead of the actual quality of the players. Throughout this season, games have often been close affairs, extremely even games until the first real talking point, whether that be a goal or a sending off, occurs (Stevenage aside where we absolutely battered them in the first 45 and should have been 2 or 3 up before they had a shot). If a major incident then goes against us (see Ward's red card, Helik's backpass), then the heads drop, the mentality goes, players start to hide and you can just feel the mood deflate. This in my opinion is Duff's biggest challenge here - cultivating a bounce-back, winning mentality.
I think the balance of the midfield is wrong, if you are going to play two 10s in Evans and Wiles high up the pitch breaking lines then you really need a quality playmaker in that deep-lying midfield role who can knit the team together. Hogg, while he isn't having terrible games compared to the rest of the side and actually didn't play terribly against Northampton, just isn't the type of player we need in there. Although in a tough away game where we will be doing a lot more work off the ball and there will be more space left by the adventurous home side, Hogg will certainly have a role to play.
Some of the knee-jerk reactions on here are unbelievable. One week Wiles and Evans are excellent, the next week they aren't. This doesn't mean they are shit players, or useless, IMO they can of course play better but the system in these games against opposition who will sit deep just isn't right for them. Duff needs to tweak this. The poster saying the own-goal is Lonwijk's fault is laughable, some people really will defend Helik with their lives when the reality is he isn't the defender that some make him out to be, his goals papered over those cracks last year. Also, to people saying Pearson is the answer to our defensive woes - give your head a wobble. He is an extremely committed and professional player, but he just doesn't have the ability required for a promotion-chasing team (he probably does if he is playing alongside a quicker, better on the ball defender, for that reason I would say maybe he could play ahead of Lees, but never ahead of Lonwijk, that's just complete suicide).
This has to be a wake-up call, though. Also hoping Ladapo gets more game time in the coming weeks, he was the only one of the 4 strikers in the squad that put himself about and made the right runs.
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Post by detox on Sept 22, 2024 14:27:22 GMT 1
Funny thing, Koromas' penalties were identical, half paced shot 2 yards from left post. One brilliant (goal), the other crap (saved).
Truth is both were poor penalties, you need to be smashing them..imo.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 22, 2024 14:35:03 GMT 1
Where to start... Duff tactically got it wrong It didn't take a genius to know against sides outside the top 8 we don't need Hogg in there, we need a ball playing midfielder in Kane. For me, we wouldn't have renewed his contract. Perenial loser and offers little to nothing at this stage - in fact holds back the side. Behind Spencer, Helik has been our worst performer all season. Looks like another perennial loser, 3 relegation scraps in 3 years with him in the centre of town/Barnsley defences. Helik looks slow even in League 1! Been done on countless occasions, as has Lees and Pearson. Unbelievably slow back 3. Headley - Looks championship standard under NW. Now looks like another of the long list of athletes, not a footballer. Absolutely abysmal today again. Scared to take on his man. Sorrenson - Lightweight, couldn't take on his man, poor delivery, offered nothing again. Had 2 good games all season. League 1 level at best. Hogg - Said it already. Legs gone. offers nothing. perennial loser. Not required in a team pushing for promotion in league 1 with the options wasted on the bench. Wiles - Absolute ghost yet again. Coward of a player, no pace, cant tackle, goes missing. Passenger. Evans; not much better and offered nothing. ... The ref I thought did alright. Didn't think it was a foul for their third and he rightly gave a penalty where most refs wouldn't have given that to us. ... Kane - Glad he finally got minutes. HHas to start the next game replacing Hogg. It simply has to be a more positive line up. Hodge - Came on an got our first shot on target after 61 minutes. Looked to play the ball forward, not backwards. I like what I've seen. Has to start in place of Wiles. ... Really disappointing season yet again. I think we've been poor all season, even at Peterborough. The wing back system fails if Headley cant take on his man and doens't offer anything going forward. Sorrenson is anonymous too. Therein leaves our CM to create when we know Hogg wont pass it forward, Wiles is a ghost and Evans has massively flattered to deceive. It's a big problem. For Blackpool I'd go with... 3-5-2 ---------------------Nicholls---------------- ----------Pearson -- Lonwijk -- Lees ------- Sorrenson ---------------------------------- Koroma ----------- Evans -- Kane -- Hodge --------- ----------- Ladapo ---- Marshall ------------- Can’t disagree with that 11. If only we could replace Pearson and lees as well. How have we ended up with all these aging centre-halves ? Well there is ayina, quick centre back who did well in Scotland. I’m pretty sure they didn’t even give him a squad number for some reason |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 22, 2024 14:54:34 GMT 1
Funny thing, Koromas' penalties were identical, half paced shot 2 yards from left post. One brilliant (goal), the other crap (saved). Truth is both were poor penalties, you need to be smashing them..imo. According to someone on here last week, Koroma takes his penalties like Toney and watches the keeper while hitting the ball. I said that was bollox and yesterday clearly showed that he puts his eyes on the ball a good 3 of 4 steps before hitting the ball |
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 22, 2024 15:08:49 GMT 1
Funny thing, Koromas' penalties were identical, half paced shot 2 yards from left post. One brilliant (goal), the other crap (saved). Truth is both were poor penalties, you need to be smashing them..imo. There is only one way to take a penalty, yesterdays penalty was woeful. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 22, 2024 15:12:38 GMT 1
Funny thing, Koromas' penalties were identical, half paced shot 2 yards from left post. One brilliant (goal), the other crap (saved). Truth is both were poor penalties, you need to be smashing them..imo. I hate the stuttering run up. Pick your spot and hit it hard |
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Post by londoncowling on Sept 22, 2024 16:06:15 GMT 1
Joe Hodge and Herbie Kane have to start
both give early , ,well positioned options to take the ball from the back three, and have heads up to see and execute good passing options moving the team up the pitch with gusto as we saw yesterday . MD will surely employ the two of them from now on to do just that .
personally i’d be very tempted to start Ladapo who immediately added strength and pace on the ground and aerially would MD Look at a front three and use young Marshall off the bench for now as defences tire
to run them into areas they’d rather not be
Helik will also be a lucky boy to keep his place after yesterdays mare Pearson or Lees can both play the central role
and maybe Mikel needs a jolt
still early days for Duff and this team and a long season ahead i’d like MD to explore his options until the best formula is realised
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Post by rockwall on Sept 22, 2024 16:19:08 GMT 1
Not really. Walsall wasn't a full strength team. Rotherham was down to poor officiating. I also don't think we would have been complacent against Rotherham. Fair points. I think Duff needs to be more flexible with our formation and quicker to change things when they’re going wrong. If he’s learnt that from yesterday I’ll be happy. Agree. I'm sure by 6.45pm Tuesday we will know. |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 22, 2024 16:21:07 GMT 1
Not really. Walsall wasn't a full strength team. Rotherham was down to poor officiating. I also don't think we would have been complacent against Rotherham. Regardless of the refereeing at Rotherham, we were dire all game and 2nd best for majority of the game. I never said we weren't. But we were in the game. 1-0 up being 2nd best. And if it wasn't for poor officiating we wouldn't have lost it. It would have more than likely ended 1 a piece. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 22, 2024 16:43:44 GMT 1
Too many 'bad days at the office in 2 and a bit seasons'.
Too many games where we dont turn up at all, do nothing much or simply switch off and fall apart even in games where the opposition has done nothing and looks as clueless, careless and uninterested as us.
The full enema wasnt done and it should have been.
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Post by griffa on Sept 22, 2024 19:02:05 GMT 1
Where to start... Duff tactically got it wrong It didn't take a genius to know against sides outside the top 8 we don't need Hogg in there, we need a ball playing midfielder in Kane. For me, we wouldn't have renewed his contract. Perenial loser and offers little to nothing at this stage - in fact holds back the side. Behind Spencer, Helik has been our worst performer all season. Looks like another perennial loser, 3 relegation scraps in 3 years with him in the centre of town/Barnsley defences. Helik looks slow even in League 1! Been done on countless occasions, as has Lees and Pearson. Unbelievably slow back 3. Headley - Looks championship standard under NW. Now looks like another of the long list of athletes, not a footballer. Absolutely abysmal today again. Scared to take on his man. Sorrenson - Lightweight, couldn't take on his man, poor delivery, offered nothing again. Had 2 good games all season. League 1 level at best. Hogg - Said it already. Legs gone. offers nothing. perennial loser. Not required in a team pushing for promotion in league 1 with the options wasted on the bench. Wiles - Absolute ghost yet again. Coward of a player, no pace, cant tackle, goes missing. Passenger. Evans; not much better and offered nothing. ... The ref I thought did alright. Didn't think it was a foul for their third and he rightly gave a penalty where most refs wouldn't have given that to us. ... Kane - Glad he finally got minutes. HHas to start the next game replacing Hogg. It simply has to be a more positive line up. Hodge - Came on an got our first shot on target after 61 minutes. Looked to play the ball forward, not backwards. I like what I've seen. Has to start in place of Wiles. ... Really disappointing season yet again. I think we've been poor all season, even at Peterborough. The wing back system fails if Headley cant take on his man and doens't offer anything going forward. Sorrenson is anonymous too. Therein leaves our CM to create when we know Hogg wont pass it forward, Wiles is a ghost and Evans has massively flattered to deceive. It's a big problem. For Blackpool I'd go with... 3-5-2 ---------------------Nicholls---------------- ----------Pearson -- Lonwijk -- Lees ------- Sorrenson ---------------------------------- Koroma ----------- Evans -- Kane -- Hodge --------- ----------- Ladapo ---- Marshall ------------- All 11 players selected yesterday, were very disappointing including Nicholls. Tom Lees caught out for the 2nd goal, Sorenson also had a shocking game, Evans has so far, been a major disappointment, yesterday he awful, missing in action. Helik's performance & og were unforgivable, not good enough, incidentally Koroma is not a wing back, when played in that roll, it just didn't work, let's not mention Wiles, Hogg or Headley's respective contributions! |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 22, 2024 19:59:22 GMT 1
Can’t be arsed reading back through the Fred but..
For me Nichols has to stop the 1st goal..
It rolls about a foot away from him..
Why does he bit throw a leg at it..
Feckin weird..
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Post by Dell12 on Sept 22, 2024 20:39:18 GMT 1
Also hoping Ladapo gets more game time in the coming weeks, he was the only one of the 4 strikers in the squad that put himself about and made the right runs. I only watched the second half, but I thought he did well too, particularly given the circumstances. It's a while since we've had someone with pace and strength up front who can hold the ball up. But more generally as a team, we have lacked physicality, height and pace for a long, long time. |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Sept 22, 2024 20:43:32 GMT 1
Funny thing, Koromas' penalties were identical, half paced shot 2 yards from left post. One brilliant (goal), the other crap (saved). Truth is both were poor penalties, you need to be smashing them..imo. I hate the stuttering run up. Pick your spot and hit it hard If you hit the ball high left or right the keepers not getting it or high straight down the middle with pace. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 22, 2024 21:32:24 GMT 1
A few seasons ago, you have to think that Nichols will bust a gut to prevent that OG.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2024 22:03:22 GMT 1
Too many 'bad days at the office in 2 and a bit seasons'. Too many games where we dont turn up at all, do nothing much or simply switch off and fall apart even in games where the opposition has done nothing and looks as clueless, careless and uninterested as us. The full enema wasnt done and it should have been. You cant do it in one window though - too many to change and would be hammered if the lack of continuity prevented an immediate return to the championship and 4 wins in 6 tells us that is possible despite it not being convincing at times.. We were shocking yday - dreadful from 1 to 11 and even the subs werent great....any of em. Add to that duff having a mare also imho and we got what we deserved - nowt. Time now for the players to stand up and be counted - no more excuses or hiding places. |
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Post by belizian on Sept 23, 2024 9:56:28 GMT 1
A few seasons ago, you have to think that Nichols will bust a gut to prevent that OG. And his legs were so far apart for the nutmeg third goal that he remined me of an easy going and enthusiastic ex girlfriend. |
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Post by alex on Sept 23, 2024 12:07:06 GMT 1
A few seasons ago, you have to think that Nichols will bust a gut to prevent that OG. And his legs were so far apart for the nutmeg third goal that he remined me of an easy going and enthusiastic ex girlfriend. an easy going and enthusiastic ex girlfriend.  |
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Post by Richard1986 on Sept 24, 2024 0:30:51 GMT 1
Losing in central mid is realy very piss poor with the extra man. It isn't the first time this has happend
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 25, 2024 22:46:04 GMT 1
Been a fan since 1980, I don't remember many performances worse than that You have a very poor memory then. As your memory is so good, could you tell me when we've had TWO consecutive home performances within four days as bad as the last two. I can't recall and TBH struggle to imagine them. It must be a short list. |
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