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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 20, 2024 11:09:37 GMT 1
Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours.
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Post by theravymoomin on Sept 20, 2024 19:29:20 GMT 1
Do you have to be qualified to referee?
I remember a few years back doing a game but I wasn’t qualified
Not like I’m offering my services unfortunately as I’m working but I was just curious
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Post by four4two on Sept 20, 2024 21:31:38 GMT 1
Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours. I’m a qualified referee but due to the abuse and threat to meet me in the car park after a u14’s girls match from an unqualified coach, of which I am also qualified, I jacked it in. I might be £35 lighter but I now have my peaceful weekends back, apart from Saturday afternoons at the John Smiths. UTT! |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Sept 20, 2024 22:31:40 GMT 1
Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours. Almost impossible to find a Ref these days for junior football. I've been trying to find a regular Ref for my team at Gomersal and Cleckheaton for 3 years now and never been able to do it, usually ends up being myself or the other coach doing it which isnt ideal but without means no game. £35 is a decent fee, especially if you can get to do 2 back to back. I think one my team ends I'll start doing it on a regular basis, but only for people I know. Heard some horry stories from people who have done it at random for the league, which probably explains the lack of Refs in the area! |
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Post by Jack on Sept 20, 2024 22:47:50 GMT 1
I would have done it for the £35 but the comedy tickets put me off.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 21, 2024 11:39:18 GMT 1
I would have done it for the £35 but the comedy tickets put me off. you could always give them to someone you hate. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 21, 2024 11:40:04 GMT 1
But seriously though - if anyone fancies it some superb shows coming up - Clinton Baptiste... Alan Davies...
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Post by ldr on Sept 21, 2024 13:22:03 GMT 1
But seriously though - if anyone fancies it some superb shows coming up - Clinton Baptiste... Alan Davies... Some big names pal. Are you promoting these now? |
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Post by Fantoolong on Sept 21, 2024 13:27:21 GMT 1
Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours. I’m a qualified referee but due to the abuse and threat to meet me in the car park after a u14’s girls match from an unqualified coach, of which I am also qualified, I jacked it in. I might be £35 lighter but I now have my peaceful weekends back, apart from Saturday afternoons at the John Smiths. UTT! ditto. Wasn't worth the abuse and hassle, mainly from parents. |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Sept 21, 2024 19:35:03 GMT 1
Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours. I’m a qualified referee but due to the abuse and threat to meet me in the car park after a u14’s girls match from an unqualified coach, of which I am also qualified, I jacked it in. I might be £35 lighter but I now have my peaceful weekends back, apart from Saturday afternoons at the John Smiths. UTT! I qualified a few years ago. After getting my badge, the first time I reffed was in three 5-a-side matches one evening. The abuse was unbelievable and I was physically assaulted quite badly by one of the players. It was without doubt one of the most horrible experiences of my life. I've never reffed since. |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 21, 2024 20:00:37 GMT 1
My son plays U15 and you definitely need a qualified referee, in his referees kit, officiating the game at that age. Indeed from U14’s it needs a qualified referee doing it.
You’ve more chance of keeping a lid on any disciplinary issues with a qualified ref. Indeed at both grassroots and schoolboys i’ve not seen any issues when there’s been a proper (qualified) ref.
Whilst it’s brilliant that parents volunteer to coach, they shouldn’t be refereeing games at that age. Unfortunately you get too much home bias and blatant cheating when the home coach does it. 2 matches last season my lad played in where the home coach reffed and both games descended into chaos and ended early.
My lads team is playing at home against one of those teams tomorrow. Our coach tried 5 different refs who were all unavailable. Thankfully he managed to get one allocated by the league
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Sept 21, 2024 20:42:26 GMT 1
My son plays U15 and you definitely need a qualified referee, in his referees kit, officiating the game at that age. Indeed from U14’s it needs a qualified referee doing it. You’ve more chance of keeping a lid on any disciplinary issues with a qualified ref. Indeed at both grassroots and schoolboys i’ve not seen any issues when there’s been a proper (qualified) ref. Whilst it’s brilliant that parents volunteer to coach, they shouldn’t be refereeing games at that age. Unfortunately you get too much home bias and blatant cheating when the home coach does it. 2 matches last season my lad played in where the home coach reffed and both games descended into chaos and ended early. My lads team is playing at home against one of those teams tomorrow. Our coach tried 5 different refs who were all unavailable. Thankfully he managed to get one allocated by the league See when I have to ref my team I'm probably more bias to the away side to avoid any accusations. My players hate it when I have to do it because of this. I understand the point though and have seen instances of what you have described. Only problem is without SOMEONE doing it, there is no game. Parents are extremely reluctant which it falls back to a coach to step in just to get the game played. |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 21, 2024 20:53:58 GMT 1
My son plays U15 and you definitely need a qualified referee, in his referees kit, officiating the game at that age. Indeed from U14’s it needs a qualified referee doing it. You’ve more chance of keeping a lid on any disciplinary issues with a qualified ref. Indeed at both grassroots and schoolboys i’ve not seen any issues when there’s been a proper (qualified) ref. Whilst it’s brilliant that parents volunteer to coach, they shouldn’t be refereeing games at that age. Unfortunately you get too much home bias and blatant cheating when the home coach does it. 2 matches last season my lad played in where the home coach reffed and both games descended into chaos and ended early. My lads team is playing at home against one of those teams tomorrow. Our coach tried 5 different refs who were all unavailable. Thankfully he managed to get one allocated by the league See when I have to ref my team I'm probably more bias to the away side to avoid any accusations. My players hate it when I have to do it because of this. I understand the point though and have seen instances of what you have described. Only problem is without SOMEONE doing it, there is no game. Parents are extremely reluctant which it falls back to a coach to step in just to get the game played. Oh i completely agree. Just like coaching. All the parents love to have a moan and groan, but non of them will put their name forward to help I refereed a few up to U12, then stopped due to shit from parents. At U10’s one had a go at me for not awarding a free kick towards the end of the match to his lads team. His lads team were about 5-0 up with a couple of minutes to go. Parents and grassroots football are not a great mix. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2024 22:36:02 GMT 1
I think you’ve missed the word nobhead out of that last sentence.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 23, 2024 9:03:05 GMT 1
But seriously though - if anyone fancies it some superb shows coming up - Clinton Baptiste... Alan Davies... Some big names pal. Are you promoting these now? yep - go to gagnboneman.com/gigs |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 23, 2024 11:14:24 GMT 1
See when I have to ref my team I'm probably more bias to the away side to avoid any accusations. My players hate it when I have to do it because of this. I understand the point though and have seen instances of what you have described. Only problem is without SOMEONE doing it, there is no game. Parents are extremely reluctant which it falls back to a coach to step in just to get the game played. Oh i completely agree. Just like coaching. All the parents love to have a moan and groan, but non of them will put their name forward to help I refereed a few up to U12, then stopped due to shit from parents. At U10’s one had a go at me for not awarding a free kick towards the end of the match to his lads team. His lads team were about 5-0 up with a couple of minutes to go. Parents and grassroots football are not a great mix. Reffed some U16 matches. One coach actually told me after a melee on a mud heap that I should have 'heard' a foul on one of his players. He later got so annoyed when I failed to give a corner(a fucking corner) which I admit was a guess as it was another melee and neither I nor the lino could be sure, he began ranting and kicking his own teams kit bag around?? At the end he stood on the wall at the side of the pitch by his car shouted all sorts of c/nts at me, before jumping in his car and driving off at a ridiculous speed on the narrow access road.. His team won 3 0 🤪 I watched the 'away' fixture and he sat in his car behind the goal, he usually reffed the home games.🙄 Im aware this wasnt the worst incident that refs are subjected to but I thought I might be less likely to be a target, I stopped because it was clear you may have to defend yourself at some point and it just wasnt worth it. I did it for nothing only because there was a shortage of proper refs, I did explain this to the visiting coaches before the games and our coach knew I was only going to give what I saw, so no moaning. One really fat coach was annoyed I asked both teams to supply a lino, as I dont have 3 sets of eyes and none in the back of my head. He said he didnt need linos as he was qualified, very fit and kept up with play at all times??? Id suggest most offsides and off the ball stuff was simply a guess then for lard boy...  Its very sad that people just wont take up the whistle anymore.. |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 23, 2024 11:58:22 GMT 1
Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours. Did you manage to get a ref? We had Paul Stephenson ref my lad's U15s match on Sunday. One of the best in the league is Paul, along with Matthew Brook. The team we played was the team who's coach refed last seasons game, with the game ending in utter chaos, largely due to a lot of his decision (or lack of). So Sunday's game had the potential to have problems. Paul refed it brilliantly, gave clear, early decisions, communicated well so that players, coaches and parents could hear and understand his decisions and spoke to the players when they needed speaking to. Really good game that ended 2-1. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 23, 2024 12:05:34 GMT 1
Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours. Did you manage to get a ref? We had Paul Stephenson ref my lad's U15s match on Sunday. One of the best in the league is Paul, along with Matthew Brook. The team we played was the team who's coach refed last seasons game, with the game ending in utter chaos, largely due to a lot of his decision (or lack of). So Sunday's game had the potential to have problems. Paul refed it brilliantly, gave clear, early decisions, communicated well so that players, coaches and parents could hear and understand his decisions and spoke to the players when they needed speaking to. Really good game that ended 2-1. we had he game reffed by a coach from a neutral team and it went ok, but we lost 4-3 so I'm going to make sure we never have them again |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 24, 2024 11:23:47 GMT 1
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Post by londoncowling on Oct 25, 2024 4:44:52 GMT 1
the main question anyone , no matter their age should ask themselves before embarking on the role of football referee is. Am I able to handle dissent from players and abuse from the touch line , plus on social media Serious thought must be given to the question because as sure as night follows day , it will happen. no matter how good bad or indifferent peoples reffing ability is , the stick will arrive at your door and needs to be dealt with . Age shouldn’t come into it , should you not have the skills to handle abuse , do not for your own sake take up the role of referee. West Riding fa are now offering mentors for any ref who feels this may help with their development . That’s not to say the abuse will stop as it won’t , but the mentoring should help by passing on advice as to handle it . A recent phenomenon is young people attracted to refereeing by the lure of decent money and a pathway to the professional game , fair enough but beware ! |
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Post by dooky82 on Oct 25, 2024 6:09:48 GMT 1
I did a few games for my lads under 13s team. During one match one of the parents was shouting and screaming about every decision I made, particularly offside calls and even shouted out "cheat" at one point. Eventually I stopped the game and went to have a word. I loudly asked them whether they thought they were setting a good example to the children. I explained that their actions are one of the reasons it's so difficult to get refs and that without a ref the kids can't enjoy a game of football. I suggested if they wanted to be helpful they could grab a flag out of the kitbag and help me with offside calls. Not interested. Although they did turn a lovely colour of red and didn't say another word all game.
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 25, 2024 7:16:10 GMT 1
I did a few games for my lads under 13s team. During one match one of the parents was shouting and screaming about every decision I made, particularly offside calls and even shouted out "cheat" at one point. Eventually I stopped the game and went to have a word. I loudly asked them whether they thought they were setting a good example to the children. I explained that their actions are one of the reasons it's so difficult to get refs and that without a ref the kids can't enjoy a game of football. I suggested if they wanted to be helpful they could grab a flag out of the kitbag and help me with offside calls. Not interested. Although they did turn a lovely colour of red and didn't say another word all game. Best way to handle it, especially if you are just doing it as a coach/parent. I've done similar on a few occasions, stopped the game and offered whoever was shouting the abuse the option of taking the whistle and doing the job for the rest of the match. Funnily enough never once has someone taken me up on the offer. |
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Post by ginner on Oct 25, 2024 8:17:19 GMT 1
I am free this weekend but its a bit far coming from Halifax. Do I know any football referees who might be available this Sunday morning for an under 15s match in Dewsbury? 11am kick off. £35 match fee and some free comedy tickets in it for you and yours. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 25, 2024 8:20:40 GMT 1
I did a few games for my lads under 13s team. During one match one of the parents was shouting and screaming about every decision I made, particularly offside calls and even shouted out "cheat" at one point. Eventually I stopped the game and went to have a word. I loudly asked them whether they thought they were setting a good example to the children. I explained that their actions are one of the reasons it's so difficult to get refs and that without a ref the kids can't enjoy a game of football. I suggested if they wanted to be helpful they could grab a flag out of the kitbag and help me with offside calls. Not interested. Although they did turn a lovely colour of red and didn't say another word all game. Spot on, although at 19yo, this lad was probably going to struggle with that option. I just find it sad that this is such a big and clearly common problem. I presume there are clubs out there who lay down the law to spectators quite clearly? The more established junior clubs?? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 25, 2024 8:26:17 GMT 1
the main question anyone , no matter their age should ask themselves before embarking on the role of football referee is. Am I able to handle dissent from players and abuse from the touch line , plus on social media Serious thought must be given to the question because as sure as night follows day , it will happen. no matter how good bad or indifferent peoples reffing ability is , the stick will arrive at your door and needs to be dealt with . Age shouldn’t come into it , should you not have the skills to handle abuse , do not for your own sake take up the role of referee. West Riding fa are now offering mentors for any ref who feels this may help with their development . That’s not to say the abuse will stop as it won’t , but the mentoring should help by passing on advice as to handle it . A recent phenomenon is young people attracted to refereeing by the lure of decent money and a pathway to the professional game , fair enough but beware ! That’s fair comment, but should you really have to consider those things for refereeing junior football????? How many other junior sports have the same problem? Football is a great game, but it seems like some people take it far too seriously nowadays. A bit drastic, and not sure how you would enforce it to some degree, but maybe if the abuse by parents were able to land their offspring on the pitch with a card you might see behaviours changed. Imagine being sent off as an 11yo kid trying to enjoy your football, because your Dad is a nobhead? It also indicates these kids do learn from their parents (& pros) if they’re giving it large on the pitch. If it’s endemic at junior levels, it’s no surprise it filters through the ages. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 25, 2024 12:39:46 GMT 1
I did a few games for my lads under 13s team. During one match one of the parents was shouting and screaming about every decision I made, particularly offside calls and even shouted out "cheat" at one point. Eventually I stopped the game and went to have a word. I loudly asked them whether they thought they were setting a good example to the children. I explained that their actions are one of the reasons it's so difficult to get refs and that without a ref the kids can't enjoy a game of football. I suggested if they wanted to be helpful they could grab a flag out of the kitbag and help me with offside calls. Not interested. Although they did turn a lovely colour of red and didn't say another word all game. Spot on, although at 19yo, this lad was probably going to struggle with that option. I just find it sad that this is such a big and clearly common problem. I presume there are clubs out there who lay down the law to spectators quite clearly? The more established junior clubs?? Im at Gomersal and Cleckheaton Juniors and we have a pretty strong approach to anyone who is causing issues on the sidelines. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 25, 2024 13:01:51 GMT 1
Agree totally respect towards officials is required especially at junior level. Another issue with junior football is the fact some folk that do referee or more run the lines contribute to the issue by having an unfair bias towards their kids teams, watched many a game and seen bias at a level that would provoc the mildest folk.
Even though it’s still not even close to being acceptable to abuse anyone officiating.
They are trying to protect the referees but some clubs kids parents use this to be prat’s themselves.
Witnessed a Lino telling an old bloke( must of been 80 and not aggressive in the slightest) to fuck off because he said ney lad never after the Lino held up his flag for offside after his kids opponents had scored a perfect goal , he must of been more than 5 yards onside , but the dad blatantly wanted his kids team not to lose., and for me here lies the problem. The respect can be harder when they use the power as a tool , rather than how it should be properly used.
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 25, 2024 15:35:52 GMT 1
Agree totally respect towards officials is required especially at junior level. Another issue with junior football is the fact some folk that do referee or more run the lines contribute to the issue by having an unfair bias towards their kids teams, watched many a game and seen bias at a level that would provoc the mildest folk. Even though it’s still not even close to being acceptable to abuse anyone officiating. They are trying to protect the referees but some clubs kids parents use this to be prat’s themselves. Witnessed a Lino telling an old bloke( must of been 80 and not aggressive in the slightest) to fuck off because he said ney lad never after the Lino held up his flag for offside after his kids opponents had scored a perfect goal , he must of been more than 5 yards onside , but the dad blatantly wanted his kids team not to lose., and for me here lies the problem. The respect can be harder when they use the power as a tool , rather than how it should be properly used. I agree. There are some don't help with the way they referee the games, they are almost asking for it by being overly bias. Trouble is, there are far too many matches being played to have independent referees for every match. For most it is a hobby in which they get a bit of extra cash a month for whatever they choose. Its not a job and I doubt any rely on it as a main source of income so once the abuse starts they think what's the point and sack it off. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 25, 2024 16:54:43 GMT 1
Agree totally respect towards officials is required especially at junior level. Another issue with junior football is the fact some folk that do referee or more run the lines contribute to the issue by having an unfair bias towards their kids teams, watched many a game and seen bias at a level that would provoc the mildest folk. Even though it’s still not even close to being acceptable to abuse anyone officiating. They are trying to protect the referees but some clubs kids parents use this to be prat’s themselves. Witnessed a Lino telling an old bloke( must of been 80 and not aggressive in the slightest) to fuck off because he said ney lad never after the Lino held up his flag for offside after his kids opponents had scored a perfect goal , he must of been more than 5 yards onside , but the dad blatantly wanted his kids team not to lose., and for me here lies the problem. The respect can be harder when they use the power as a tool , rather than how it should be properly used. I agree. There are some don't help with the way they referee the games, they are almost asking for it by being overly bias. Trouble is, there are far too many matches being played to have independent referees for every match. For most it is a hobby in which they get a bit of extra cash a month for whatever they choose. Its not a job and I doubt any rely on it as a main source of income so once the abuse starts they think what's the point and sack it off. No arguments from me, just people paint the picture that it’s the parents and that’s it, when often the issue is the referee or linesman at junior levels sometimes have ulterior motives sadly and it’s a major factor in junior football and on top of that you get arsehole parents. I’ve witnessed both often. |
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Post by monkbar on Oct 25, 2024 23:50:22 GMT 1
I used to ref and TJ rugby league. There is def somewhat a myth about the whole "sir" thing. Abuse was horrific most weeks, I jacked it in eventually after a combination of knackering my knee and the police getting involved in a game. I'd do 4 games a weekend for a fiver a time (which I never accepted).
You'd usually know within 5 minutes whether the teams were there to play or fight, oddly if they were there to fight you'd get much less hassle.
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