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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 24, 2024 23:08:49 GMT 1
Said on here the other day the reaction to to Northampton game was ridiculous it was one game but fuck me they deserve everything they get tonight that was utter tripe no reaction at all the Northampton game if owt it was worse. And you were wrong when you said that. Town fans have pointed out the shit play even when we’ve won this season and that it was a concern, but you weren’t listening/called us ridiculous. No I said it after Northampton because I thought the reaction of some was ridiculous for a side that had won 4 out of 6 in the league, we’ve been poor a few games this season but had bits of quality to pull us out the shit the Northampton game everyone was shit it may have been off day as every player bar hodge was rank , but that tonight and was awful and a concern. |
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Post by stevvy on Sept 24, 2024 23:09:36 GMT 1
The last 2 games we've looked fucking shite apart from a few minutes in both games. Rest of the time we've looked shite and barely looked like scoring.
Re Tom Lees comments and how some people interpreted them, the one thing I'll say is this:
We don't expect to play well every week or win every week or piss the league. What we DO expect as an absolute bare minimum are:
Passion, fight, desire, commitment, effort, strength, character, mental strength, a will to win, and pride in your own performance.
Haven't seen any of those things from anyone in either of the last 2 games
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 24, 2024 23:14:59 GMT 1
The way they swarmed around Headley with 4 players whenever he received it in our defensive third clearly showed what their plan was. The annoying thing is that there must be some massive gaps elsewhere on the pitch if they're committing 4 players into that area but unfortunately we're never good enough or quick enough to exploit it
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Post by shawsie on Sept 24, 2024 23:20:01 GMT 1
Can only echo many on here - right now not sure i can be arsed much anymore.
A serious reaction to sat which was marginally worse than tonite was the bare minimum for me - we got little or nothing and some of the performances tonite were a shambles - sorenson, wiles, lees, kane, ladappo all utterly abject.
Pass and move replaced by pass and just stop.
Corners - cant beat first man time after time.
Shite first touches all over the field - its unprofessional and we look a rabble.
Wheres the direction? Any form of plan?
No leaders / no energy / outfought / outthought / utterly shite.
Duff has to shoulder the blame tonite - the players should have been chomping at the bit to get at blackpool from the off. Instead, we got sit off let them pass it around unhindered and paid the penalty.
Pathetic.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 24, 2024 23:21:47 GMT 1
"You've tried everything, you played 3 different formations" It's total bollocks. How about "Hi Michael, for 2 games in a row you created fuck all, why is that and why is a simple long ball down our right channel always catching us out? Do you do any training?" But it all works so well in training when we use mannequins for opposition Surprised the mannequins don’t win |
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Post by ibby on Sept 24, 2024 23:22:54 GMT 1
Poor result.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Sept 24, 2024 23:26:37 GMT 1
Feeling at a bit of a loss after the last 2 matches. Performances were mixed at the start of the season but that was to be expected as team develops and we were winning and creating lots of chances.
However, we have got worse not better whilst other teams are finding their rhythm.
I try to be positive on the whole but from a tactical point of view, I find it worrying and moreso infuriating. Currently, I am not going to overly criticise the players and for league one, we have a decent squad.
I think the system and over prescribed playing style is suffocating players and causing them to overthink. Two players for example that i felt sorry for tonight…Wiles…a centre midfield player being asked to take the ball back to goal most of the time which is not what he wants to do, and Kane, being asked to press their full-back and run around in these ‘half spaces’ completely shattering himself.
The worry is for me, is that the shape was identical to Saturday and again the gaps in midfield were huge. It is easy for other teams to play a style which overruns us. Duff needs to swallow his pride and accept it isn’t working. Stubbornness and ego to not accept and adapt is not going to end well for all parties
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 24, 2024 23:28:59 GMT 1
Signings shit
Tactics shit
Food at the ground shit
Attitude from the players shit
But we do have some nice signs on lamposts
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Post by pterrier on Sept 24, 2024 23:30:56 GMT 1
Feeling at a bit of a loss after the last 2 matches. Performances were mixed at the start of the season but that was to be expected as team develops and we were winning and creating lots of chances. However, we have got worse not better whilst other teams are finding their rhythm. I try to be positive on the whole but from a tactical point of view, I find it worrying and moreso infuriating. Currently, I am not going to overly criticise the players and for league one, we have a decent squad. I think the system and over prescribed playing style is suffocating players and causing them to overthink. Two players for example that i felt sorry for tonight…Wiles…a centre midfield player being asked to take the ball back to goal most of the time which is not what he wants to do, and Kane, being asked to press their full-back and run around in these ‘half spaces’ completely shattering himself. The worry is for me, is that the shape was identical to Saturday and again the gaps in midfield were huge. It is easy for other teams to play a style which overruns us. Duff needs to swallow his pride and accept it isn’t working. Stubbornness and ego to not accept and adapt is not going to end well for all parties Completely agree. The worrying thing is …he doesn’t seem to get it! He keeps saying it’s ’nothing to do with formations’. Hes blamed it on a soft underbelly. It’s like listening to Lee Clark again! |
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Post by heycarpet on Sept 24, 2024 23:37:25 GMT 1
Another rebrand required. Change the stadium name to The Big Top. Fingers crossed for another light show this season. Fucking hell it’s depressing.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 24, 2024 23:40:57 GMT 1
I don’t think we’ll get relegated, even after the inconsistent start we’ve had I think we’ll gain enough points to not have to worry about that.
However, we’re still lacking a cutting edge up front. We’re just bereft of ideas when it comes to the final third.
Headley started off OK tonight, took players on, but then disappeared back into his shell bar the one run in the second half.
It doesn’t really matter anyway, because even when we do manage to cross the ball there’s no one in there gambling to get that touch, or get ahead of the defender.
Despite what appeared to be a good start, we’ve somehow managed to revert back to the negative mindset and approach. How many of our players collect the ball striding forward? Not many and very rarely is the answer to that one.
It feels odd to be typing this while we still find ourselves in a competitive position, but more performances like this and we’ll be dropping to mid table before we know it.
After the defeat on Saturday this was the game where a good team would have bounced back at the first opportunity. Chalk it off against the long list of missed opportunities in the last few seasons.
Improvement needed, and bloody quickly as well…
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Sept 24, 2024 23:45:45 GMT 1
Our first 11, IF everyone is fully fit, is ok, not amazing but not terrible. The trouble is there is no depth so as soon as you lose any of them we are badly exposed.
I want to know who looked at that wider squad and thought “that’ll do”, Cartwright or Duff because they have some explaining to do and Nagle is going to have to spend a whole load more money in January
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 24, 2024 23:49:14 GMT 1
Can only echo many on here - right now not sure i can be arsed much anymore. A serious reaction to sat which was marginally worse than tonite was the bare minimum for me - we got little or nothing and some of the performances tonite were a shambles - sorenson, wiles, lees, kane, ladappo all utterly abject. Pass and move replaced by pass and just stop. Corners - cant beat first man time after time. Shite first touches all over the field - its unprofessional and we look a rabble. Wheres the direction? Any form of plan? No leaders / no energy / outfought / outthought / utterly shite. Duff has to shoulder the blame tonite - the players should have been chomping at the bit to get at blackpool from the off. Instead, we got sit off let them pass it around unhindered and paid the penalty. Pathetic. *Tonight (I do agree with everything you've said though) |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 24, 2024 23:56:38 GMT 1
Just got back, left at half time, 164 miles back and I’ve still not calmed down.
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Post by wildhogg on Sept 24, 2024 23:57:03 GMT 1
When we started the game by allowing Blackoool to casually stroke it around whilst we sat off, it was eerily similar to last season. No press, no energy, just let the opposition do what they want and dictate the pace of the game; which in turn absolutely killed the atmosphere in the ground. This from a manager who reportedly wants to play high octane, front-foot stuff. We made Blackpool look like Man City, and Bruce probably couldn't believe his luck when we just let them play.
Ladapo looked like a cart-horse, but it's difficult to have too much of a dig at strikers who never get quality ball to work with due to play breaking down ahead of them. I genuinely don't like to blame the manager for everything, but I'm sure that Swansea fans' main gripe about Duff was him refusing to vary a system which just didn't work with the players he had available to him. A lot of the players in our squad are either more than good enough for this level or at the least have very decent records at this level. Their talent and ability can't have just drained away, which tells me that Duff might be the issue.
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Post by leftbacklegion on Sept 25, 2024 0:03:26 GMT 1
It’s embarrassing. Didn’t expect us to piss the league, but I thought we’d at least put up a fight. Give us something, anything, to finally enjoy. We all hoped for a reaction tonight - hell, we deserved it after Saturday - but deep down, none of us would’ve bet our mortgage on it.
I’ve got a four-hour round trip for every home game, so I gave tonight a miss. It’s just too frustrating watching this mess unfold.
Couldn’t name a single Blackpool player before the game, except for Rhodes, and that’s probably true for most teams in this league. But you know what? Every single one of them, no matter how unrecognisable, has so far shown up at the JS and played like a team.
For what seem like years: teams who haven't won in weeks beat us. Teams who couldn’t score if their lives depended on it? They’re bagging a hatful. Never have confidence we'll bury a one-on-one or penalty, but whoever we play I always fancy them to put it away.
Then look at the signings - players who were 'the man' at their old clubs, Sorensen, Evans, Wiles, etc. - they come here, and all of a sudden they’re lost. What's in the water down canalside?!!
And speaking of water, why do we keep soaking the pissing pitch?!! We can't pass 5 yards or trap a sandbag, why help the opposition!!!
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Post by soapystevens on Sept 25, 2024 0:05:57 GMT 1
When we started the game by allowing Blackoool to casually stroke it around whilst we sat off, it was eerily similar to last season. No press, no energy, just let the opposition do what they want and dictate the pace of the game; which in turn absolutely killed the atmosphere in the ground. This from a manager who reportedly wants to play high octane, front-foot stuff. We made Blackpool look like Man City, and Bruce probably couldn't believe his luck when we just let them play. Ladapo looked like a cart-horse, but it's difficult to have too much of a dig at strikers who never get quality ball to work with due to play breaking down ahead of them. I genuinely don't like to blame the manager for everything, but I'm sure that Swansea fans' main gripe about Duff was him refusing to vary a system which just didn't work with the players he had available to him. A lot of the players in our squad are either more than good enough for this level or at the least have very decent records at this level. Their talent and ability can't have just drained away, which tells me that Duff might be the issue. Excellent post and something as to change. Most fan's can see it is not working already |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 25, 2024 0:06:36 GMT 1
I was impressed by the energy of Hodge.
But apart from that it was a dreadful performance.
We are playing at home and possess little or no threat up front.
Sorensen put in a sumptuous cross in the 1st half , we should have had players bursting a gut to get on the end of it - not one player made the effort.
Terrible first touches, no vision, no penetration , poor corners, poor free kicks.
I had thought that Ladapo would bring some physicality to the forward line but his Centre Half bossed him the entire game and he never looked like being the answer to our long standing striker problem - hopefully this us because he’s short of match fitness.
Says it all that the Blackpool fans were singing Ole from the end of the 1st half.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 25, 2024 0:08:51 GMT 1
We spend much of the gàme not playing where the ball is.
We spend most of the game failing miserably to support the man with the ball or covering the man going to the ball.
Add those two together and we are therefore failing to compete going forward or back.
The most obvious result of this is the opposition look to have more players on the pitch.
Watching us play a pass and then stand still is becoming more than fucking annoying.
Its just hopeful and hopeless and Im fucked if I could see any style or tactic tonight.
We just dont have anyone who appears anywhere on the pitch where he isnt supposed to be, its pass and stay.
Blackpool didnt have more players than us, they simply were prepared to support each other by running harder and longer than us.
We are fucking horrible to watch, again.
Not picking anyone out tonight for any special attention on how bad they were, Hodge worked very hard.
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Post by willo on Sept 25, 2024 0:12:14 GMT 1
Just got back, left at half time, 164 miles back and I’ve still not calmed down. Can’t decide if you need a medal or your head examining. |
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Post by drewden on Sept 25, 2024 0:19:50 GMT 1
Garbage and inept of ideas, it's one way persistent crap, wonder who the next manager is.
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 25, 2024 0:38:09 GMT 1
I’m still amazed at the amount of Town fans saying we’ve got a decent squad. People said it last year too. We really haven’t. To have such a dearth of forward options still after all these years is verging on criminal negligence. The defence gets worse every week. So poor and ponderous on the ball. The midfield just lack energy and creativity. Obviously we don’t get crosses into the box, but if we did there’s never anyone busting a gut to get up and support or attack the ball. We’re slow in body and mind, getting outfought and outthought at every turn. Really worrying.
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Post by Mounie for nothing on Sept 25, 2024 2:10:24 GMT 1
Two games in a week I travelled over 5 hours round trip to watch this utter dross. Think I'll start watching the coronation Street box set on Saturdays now for the rest of the season. Same every season. As they say its the hope that kills you. And the shit football.
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Post by cyberman on Sept 25, 2024 5:23:05 GMT 1
Did we lose ?
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Post by dezzly on Sept 25, 2024 7:10:58 GMT 1
We are just so wide open. We push the wing-backs up and wide and create the space for the opposition. The midfield is so strung out that we could have Xavi and Iniesta in there and both would be ineffective. We have no physicality. We have no pace. We are completely predictable. Teams have sussed us out already. We looked better with the shift to 4–3-3, but even then limited in threat. Two good chances all night, and neither really as result of sustained momentum. Just moments of play. There’s a whole tactical analysis that could be made. But we have to change things. The problem we have is we’ve recruited for a system. We can’t then unwed ourselves from that system as we lack the personnel. I also think a move to 4-3-3 might be needed.The space is constantly there behind them and as of the last couple of games definitely,they aren’t playing well enough going the other way to warrant it.Headley was ok first half but again struggled more so second.With 4 at the back and that space shut off.We don’t really have any wingers as you say so 4-4-2 is a no go.Koroma has played as a wide forward in a 3 and supposedly Marshall also started out life more as a wide man.That then does beg the question who goes down the middle.Would be looking at Bojan,ladapo or ward and as wild as it would sound the most effective would probably be ward 🤷🏻.Bojan next in line but can he do the physical bit,he’s most likely a better finisher. Hodge now I would say has to play,far and away the best performer across the last couple.I’d stick with Kane,he did some decent stuff early doors and then became a victim of the poor decision making that comes in everytime we go behind(especially at home) which leaves one spot,wiles shrinking into his shell game by game and evans cuts a very frustrated figure.With Hogg feeling his groin in the warmup maybe it’s time to look at Kasumu,yes on the ball he isn’t great but whatever your opinion of Hogg,Kasumu can cover the ground much quicker,with the other two of better quality on the ball it could work. Lastly though if we do go to a 4 let’s hope miller is fit,he’s more wing back but I’d have more trust in him at full back than Sorensen the other side and we have Brodie for there. Let’s go to this formation to try and look a bit more solid,breed some bloody confidence by been in games again and maybe we can get back on track. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 25, 2024 7:55:27 GMT 1
Now the dust has settled and I’ve had time to reflect…
Still shite last night wasn’t it…
Eleven strangers on the pitch…
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 25, 2024 8:05:38 GMT 1
Now the dust has settled and I’ve had time to reflect… Still shite last night wasn’t it… Eleven strangers on the pitch… It's so easy for the opposition. A bit of pace up front, curl a ball down the channel between the wing back and wide centre back, bobs your uncle. Add in the fact we seemed to lose every 50-50 plus so many attempted passes/clearances being blocked and it was always going to end in defeat |
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Post by bluewhitesapper on Sept 25, 2024 8:11:56 GMT 1
0-2 isn't a bad result considering we played without a midfield.
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Post by townrwe on Sept 25, 2024 8:16:31 GMT 1
It's got nothing to do with tactics, coaching, fitness etc.
We are a poorly assembled team, lacking the physical attributes to ever succeed at any level.... Dwarfs, OAPs, Nando boys, Players looking like they would rather be rocking in a corner than playing football and Generally a lack of athletism and pace.
I feel for the team, it's not their fault and some of them seriously need some help mentally, a blackie or similar is needed.
We are down and out... Putting on performances like Anthony Joshua did at the weekend... One glove on us and our legs go and we never recover.
Are we seriously saying that Freddie is better than harrat..
Cartwright has signed players like he did at stoke... The damaged goods they could afford and luckily they moulded into a decent group, this group sadly looks damaged beyond repair.
Neil Warnock is the only one that got a tune out of them because he realised that they needed confidence not coaching and didn't ask them to things they are clearly incapable of..... Not saying Neil Warnock is the answer, but duff by trying to make them better is probably making them worse.
It's beyond me that so called professional football people, can't see what was evident last night as the players stood side by side... It's embarrassing
Cartwright wouldn't look out of place in our midfield. Hes a combination of the 3 that played last night.
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Post by dezzly on Sept 25, 2024 8:17:34 GMT 1
Now the dust has settled and I’ve had time to reflect… Still shite last night wasn’t it… Eleven strangers on the pitch… It's so easy for the opposition. A bit of pace up front, curl a ball down the channel between the wing back and wide centre back, bobs your uncle. Add in the fact we seemed to lose every 50-50 plus so many attempted passes/clearances being blocked and it was always going to end in defeat Think duffs comments rang true.Soon as it gets a bit hard the decision making goes to shit,especially in home games. I don’t question that they want to win nor do I agree with some who say they don’t try,it’s more they just make so many crap decisions if it’s a little bit difficult.Start playing in strange areas which leads to misplaced passes which leads to poor touches on the ball which leads to more bad passes and so on. But a starting point from now would probably be to like you and many others have identified,just fill those gaps behind the wing backs.It might breed some confidence back and also give teams something else to think about,as they won’t be sure how we will setup.Also there is no point having the wing backs that high if they aren’t offering anything going forward,it’s worth the risk if they are threatening and causing problems but as they aren’t it just isn’t. |
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