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Post by townarentbest on Sept 25, 2024 14:44:25 GMT 1
Neil Warnock clearly was the answer for what we need and the decision to sack him is still costing us. We weren't that good when he was here but the fans were on board and we were getting results. The only one out of the last 6 managers that has got anything out of these players to good effect. We all hated Moore with his 5 at the back approach and breathed a huge sigh of relief when he left, but now we've gone and got another one that is insisting on 5 at the back at home and looks clueless with how to make it work. Another one that talks about attacking football and yet we see none of it. He waves them up the pitch and then one or two passes later the opposition play a simple ball behind and they're in and we learn NOTHING. Every sodding week. He says we look good in training. Well yeah, no shit, because they're playing against themselves and they're f'ing shit! I dont think 352/532 is inherently shit. I do think THIS 532 is shit. I don't think that it's overly defensive either, it's just hugely flawed. I was wrongly blaming Hogg for not being able to find Evans and Wiles but Hodge couldn't find Kane/Wiles either. They are simply starting too high up the pitch. There's a huge gap between our DM and the other two midfielders who start high and wide and stay there. Teams are winning the midfield battle because we have 1 player in there with 4 blokes up the field with their back to goal who we can't find unless its a hopeful punt or a worldy pass. Blackpool played 442 and still bossed the midfield because 2 beats 1. Then at times we play a high line but dont press from the front so teams play through us easily. Pass pass pass, 4 town men out the game and the CB's stood on half way...easy ball in behind. Then there's the problem of Lees not being mobile enough to cover behind Sorensen, made worse by Sorensen not being that quick either and also soft as shit. Throw in the mental fragility's and lack of leaders and its quickly looking like a mess. But Evans/Wiles/Kane simply being 10-15 yards closer to our DM would help massively IMO. I wonder if the total lack of any presence up front encourages them forward to fill the space. I occasionally look at the heatmaps on www.sofascore.com/team/football/huddersfield-town/59 (click the players in the lineup for the match)...and it often reinforces what I've seen on the pitch and occasionally reeducates me. Last night it was the reinforcement side of the coin. Kane and Wiles played ineffectually as fully hard left and right sided midfielders, with Wiles having slightly more involvement mainly because he was sitting on top of Headley who looked like he was doing what you'd hope he'd do (in comparison to Sorenson whose minimal involvement was him playing as though it was a flat 5 at the back, same with Brodie when he replaced him), aided by Headley playing in front of Lonwijk who also knows what he's doing and looks a decent player in amongst the lapses in concentration....with Headley and Wiles basically pulling Koroma (because he's a left winger, and goes to get the ball at feet to try and do something with it, as opposed to a striker who will go into the goal scoring positions in the middle and let others do the creating) to that side to get involved, where things petered out. That left Hodge playing more or less the full width of the pitch as a solitary actual midfielder in the middle third (front to back) of the pitch. How is he supposed to do that when he's up against a flat four across the middle from Blackpool who can easily triangle possession through our nonsense formation that looks like Hodge plus half of either Wiles or Kane in the middle of the pitch? I've no idea what Ladopo was supposed to be doing 🤷♂️ Poorly managed from the bench is my conclusion. As an aside... Helik scored his back passed own goal on 18 mins the other day...last night it was an 18th minute stretched backpass that he went off injured from! ALSO - HOW COME...in that situation, Helik has had treatment, gets subbed, we're allowed to bring the sub straight on to get involved from the restart, whereas if Helik had stayed on, the referee would have made him stay off the pitch?! Is this suggesting that late on, if anyone goes down injured in the last minute or two, you're maybe better off just immediately subbing them to retain 11 men rather than having to temporarily deal with that? |
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Post by royrace on Sept 25, 2024 16:22:54 GMT 1
Looking like we have got the Swansea Duff rather than the Barnsley or Cheltenham one. Last night proved it's not one individual player that is to blame for the midfield fiasco (Hogg), it is the system itself. Blackpool, and Northampton for that matter, had the freedom of the city in midfield. We have bought to play that system, but clearly bought badly. As for Ladapo, well, what can I say. A lumbering lump as I suspected. Maybe if the midfield start to create chances in the box, he might come into his own. But I'm not holding my breath. I confess to being one of those deluded idiots that was mentioned in the PC. Really thought there was only a very small handful of teams in this league that we would drop any points to. I am now more educated on that score.....!!! His first 7 games at Barnsley returned 10 points so he's actually made a better start here That's the only straw we've got left to clutch. Thankyou. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 25, 2024 16:34:01 GMT 1
I dont think 352/532 is inherently shit. I do think THIS 532 is shit. I don't think that it's overly defensive either, it's just hugely flawed. I was wrongly blaming Hogg for not being able to find Evans and Wiles but Hodge couldn't find Kane/Wiles either. They are simply starting too high up the pitch. There's a huge gap between our DM and the other two midfielders who start high and wide and stay there. Teams are winning the midfield battle because we have 1 player in there with 4 blokes up the field with their back to goal who we can't find unless its a hopeful punt or a worldy pass. Blackpool played 442 and still bossed the midfield because 2 beats 1. Then at times we play a high line but dont press from the front so teams play through us easily. Pass pass pass, 4 town men out the game and the CB's stood on half way...easy ball in behind. Then there's the problem of Lees not being mobile enough to cover behind Sorensen, made worse by Sorensen not being that quick either and also soft as shit. Throw in the mental fragility's and lack of leaders and its quickly looking like a mess. But Evans/Wiles/Kane simply being 10-15 yards closer to our DM would help massively IMO. I wonder if the total lack of any presence up front encourages them forward to fill the space. I occasionally look at the heatmaps on www.sofascore.com/team/football/huddersfield-town/59 (click the players in the lineup for the match)...and it often reinforces what I've seen on the pitch and occasionally reeducates me. Last night it was the reinforcement side of the coin. Kane and Wiles played ineffectually as fully hard left and right sided midfielders, with Wiles having slightly more involvement mainly because he was sitting on top of Headley who looked like he was doing what you'd hope he'd do (in comparison to Sorenson whose minimal involvement was him playing as though it was a flat 5 at the back, same with Brodie when he replaced him), aided by Headley playing in front of Lonwijk who also knows what he's doing and looks a decent player in amongst the lapses in concentration....with Headley and Wiles basically pulling Koroma (because he's a left winger, and goes to get the ball at feet to try and do something with it, as opposed to a striker who will go into the goal scoring positions in the middle and let others do the creating) to that side to get involved, where things petered out. That left Hodge playing more or less the full width of the pitch as a solitary actual midfielder in the middle third (front to back) of the pitch. How is he supposed to do that when he's up against a flat four across the middle from Blackpool who can easily triangle possession through our nonsense formation that looks like Hodge plus half of either Wiles or Kane in the middle of the pitch? I've no idea what Ladopo was supposed to be doing 🤷♂️ Poorly managed from the bench is my conclusion. As an aside... Helik scored his back passed own goal on 18 mins the other day...last night it was an 18th minute stretched backpass that he went off injured from! ALSO - HOW COME...in that situation, Helik has had treatment, gets subbed, we're allowed to bring the sub straight on to get involved from the restart, whereas if Helik had stayed on, the referee would have made him stay off the pitch?! Is this suggesting that late on, if anyone goes down injured in the last minute or two, you're maybe better off just immediately subbing them to retain 11 men rather than having to temporarily deal with that? Those heat maps are really interesting! I'm no football coach but we can all see that the midfield isn't working at all. Then lo and behold the heat map shows a big gaping hole in the middle of midfield where our two non-holding midfielders are presumably supposed to be!  ?! As you say Wiles and Kane were mainly playing on either flank. Is there any wonder they just waltz through the middle and we can't control the games? We've nobody in the middle of the bloody pitch! If there are any football coaches on here I'd be interested in an explanation. In my simple head those two should be operating mainly in the middle of the pitch, ideally slightly more advanced than Hodge. We've got wingbacks and two strikers who can operate in the channels? |
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Post by seasider on Sept 25, 2024 19:10:31 GMT 1
Firstly, the Ole Ole chant wasn't meant in a derisory way towards you. It's Ole ole ole ole CJ CJ and was partly sarcastic towards him initially when he finally did something spectacular after weeks of fumbling. It stuck and has now become a celebration of CJ.
Reading this thread is almost a carbon copy of our avftt board under Neil Critchley. 352, players out of position, good players left out, boring football, players underperforming in a strict system that negated any possibility of excitement.
Since Critch got ditched there has been a transformation. Players in the right places running, attacking, those out of favour back and looking like totally different players e.g Kyle Joseph. So it might not be your players' fault. Stick with them. I hope you improve. Always had a soft spot for you lot.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 25, 2024 20:06:04 GMT 1
Scott Lindsey has left Crawley Town to become manager at L2 MK Dons….. the Crawley team that comfortably beat Blackpool on the opening day.
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Post by seasider on Sept 25, 2024 20:36:59 GMT 1
We were playing like you then 😂
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