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Post by stevvy on Nov 13, 2024 8:53:36 GMT 1
3,021 attendance. Only Colchester v Arsenal (4,265) and Lincoln v Man City 3,055 higher. Bet halifax were thrilled with the attendance for their National League Cup tie v Middlesbrough U21s (same principle as this competition, but for national league teams). 256 fans in attendance. Probably barely enough to pay for the cost of putting the floodlights on for the evening, let alone anything else |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 13, 2024 9:50:35 GMT 1
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Post by drumriggend on Nov 13, 2024 9:57:05 GMT 1
Excellent win..
Just watched back the full game of our premier league victory game over them..
What a day..
The energy and passion in our team that day was amazing..
Mooy and Schindler in their pomp..
The kaiser twirling his cap to the south stand..
Will we ever reach those heights again..
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 13, 2024 10:32:22 GMT 1
One thing that really concerns me is that slow pass we play when we start to break forward. A number of times yesterday the runner was expecting to recieve the pass in front of him but almost had to stop and track backwards because the pass was underhit.
We desperately need to work on our passing.
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Post by ben1987 on Nov 13, 2024 11:03:55 GMT 1
Positive: Bojan did win his share of headers in the first half. Outcome: He’s still the worst striker I’ve seen wear a town shirt in 20 years.Suggestion: Play Wiles alongside one striker up top and add another midfielder - ideally not Hogg I prefer him to Ladapo. At least Bojan does something even if it's not very good. It's hard to imagine a player having less impact than Ladapo has had in his gametime. 2 in 2 for Healey. Thought he was going to go off injured again after taking a bit of a knock early on when their guy yanked him back by the arm when he was breaking away ( yet somehow didnt get booked for it ) Good bit of resilience for a change from him as he stuck it out and stayed on. Hopefully he can be the answer to our forward issues as his confidence grows. Totally agree, Ladapo has been and is terrible. He looks like he’s won a competition to play for Town. Equally worrying was that Mark Cartwright said “Freddie is a player we have been monitoring all summer“ and “He has a natural ability and physical attributes we find especially exciting, as he’s a different profile of forward than we currently have available to us” Is he for real? The guy has the touch of a road kerb and I’m yet to see any of this natural ability. He looks a complete waste of money and why lie about monitoring him all summer? You haven’t, Mark, don’t treat us like mugs. He was a panic buy because you missed out on Taylor and May. Its signings like that (2 year contract for ladspo btw) that hamper this clubs progression as well be lumbered with this lad for two years now, pillaging a wage from the club and when me and you start arguing about season card price increases slapps, I’ll remind you of the catastrophic amount of waste this club has accumulated on players like Ladapo. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 13, 2024 11:37:50 GMT 1
I prefer him to Ladapo. At least Bojan does something even if it's not very good. It's hard to imagine a player having less impact than Ladapo has had in his gametime. 2 in 2 for Healey. Thought he was going to go off injured again after taking a bit of a knock early on when their guy yanked him back by the arm when he was breaking away ( yet somehow didnt get booked for it ) Good bit of resilience for a change from him as he stuck it out and stayed on. Hopefully he can be the answer to our forward issues as his confidence grows. Totally agree, Ladapo has been and is terrible. He looks like he’s won a competition to play for Town. Equally worrying was that Mark Cartwright said “Freddie is a player we have been monitoring all summer“ and “He has a natural ability and physical attributes we find especially exciting, as he’s a different profile of forward than we currently have available to us” Is he for real? The guy has the touch of a road kerb and I’m yet to see any of this natural ability. He looks a complete waste of money and why lie about monitoring him all summer? You haven’t, Mark, don’t treat us like mugs. He was a panic buy because you missed out on Taylor and May. Its signings like that (2 year contract for ladspo btw) that hamper this clubs progression as well be lumbered with this lad for two years now, pillaging a wage from the club and when me and you start arguing about season card price increases slapps, I’ll remind you of the catastrophic amount of waste this club has accumulated on players like Ladapo. Of course not. It's just standard rhetoric for media / PR purposes - the sort that's routinely trotted out by football executives across the land. For me, the Ladapo signing has echoes of the Moore hire: Unimaginative, rushed, and ultimately expensive after suddenly being bounced into requiring 'a body' due to unforeseen circumstances. As with a number of the more curious decisions that have been made under his watch, I suspect there was some top down influence going on, but that doesn't excuse the final choices, and a effective Sporting Director should be sufficiently assertive to be able to say "no" if something doesn't make sense. |
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 13, 2024 11:48:50 GMT 1
I would put Ladapo firmly into the Diakhaby bracket. Shite
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Post by Sio on Nov 13, 2024 11:53:49 GMT 1
I'm not out to defend Mark Cartwright but surely we're all surprised at how poor Ladapo is?
It's not like he was plucked out of the Finnish leagues - his last several seasons at this level, with the exception of his Charlton loan, have all been successful.
I don't like the "we watched him all summer" narrative; it's total nonsense because we all know who we actually wanted. But as far as HTAFC last-minute panic buys go - and we've had enough - I didn't think it was too bad at the time. The above said, it's clear we didn't scout him and went purely on his recent stats.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 13, 2024 11:58:03 GMT 1
I'm not out to defend Mark Cartwright but surely we're all surprised at how poor Ladapo is? It's not like he was plucked out of the Finnish leagues - his last several seasons at this level, with the exception of his Charlton loan, have all been successful. I don't like the "we watched him all summer" narrative; it's total nonsense because we all know who we actually wanted. But as far as HTAFC last-minute panic buys go - and we've had enough - I didn't think it was too bad at the time. The above said, it's clear we didn't scout him and went purely on his recent stats. possible we have signed him, past his sell buy date ? sometimes you just get players way past their best . |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 13, 2024 11:58:55 GMT 1
I would put Ladapo firmly into the Diakhaby bracket. Shite Ladapo needs to play some games, he hasnt played enough competetive football. Unfortunately we cant afford or give him the game time and thats further evidence of the poor recruitment. Ideally he would play every non first team game or every minor cup game in full. His age probably means he couldnt do that to get up to speed.. My views on the recruitment recently along with contract extensions, may lead some to believe I think some shenanigans have taken place , I could not comment on that. Some of it raises the eyebrow, somewhat..🤨 |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 13, 2024 11:59:41 GMT 1
I'm not out to defend Mark Cartwright but surely we're all surprised at how poor Ladapo is? It's not like he was plucked out of the Finnish leagues - his last several seasons at this level, with the exception of his Charlton loan, have all been successful. I don't like the "we watched him all summer" narrative; it's total nonsense because we all know who we actually wanted. But as far as HTAFC last-minute panic buys go - and we've had enough - I didn't think it was too bad at the time. The above said, it's clear we didn't scout him and went purely on his recent stats. Agree with this, there was virtually nothing to suggest he would be as poor as he has been, on the face of it he looked a steady acquisition for this level. Either way, Cartwright can get fucked. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 13, 2024 12:14:44 GMT 1
I'm not out to defend Mark Cartwright but surely we're all surprised at how poor Ladapo is? It's not like he was plucked out of the Finnish leagues - his last several seasons at this level, with the exception of his Charlton loan, have all been successful. I don't like the "we watched him all summer" narrative; it's total nonsense because we all know who we actually wanted. But as far as HTAFC last-minute panic buys go - and we've had enough - I didn't think it was too bad at the time. The above said, it's clear we didn't scout him and went purely on his recent stats. In isolation, me neither. I just thought the profile was generally incongruous with what Duff had been wanting all summer: a pacey little ratter. I didn't think Ladapo was bringing much to the table that we didn't already have among our existing striking options - half of whom I imagine we'd have happily offloaded had there been any takers! |
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Post by Sio on Nov 13, 2024 12:24:10 GMT 1
I'm not out to defend Mark Cartwright but surely we're all surprised at how poor Ladapo is? It's not like he was plucked out of the Finnish leagues - his last several seasons at this level, with the exception of his Charlton loan, have all been successful. I don't like the "we watched him all summer" narrative; it's total nonsense because we all know who we actually wanted. But as far as HTAFC last-minute panic buys go - and we've had enough - I didn't think it was too bad at the time. The above said, it's clear we didn't scout him and went purely on his recent stats. Agree with this, there was virtually nothing to suggest he would be as poor as he has been, on the face of it he looked a steady acquisition for this level. Either way, Cartwright can get fucked. I suppose to go back to the Cartwright point, it's up to him and his team to do the proper scouting to evaluate this. I'm convinced we wouldn't have even watched him. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2024 12:34:51 GMT 1
I'm not out to defend Mark Cartwright but surely we're all surprised at how poor Ladapo is? It's not like he was plucked out of the Finnish leagues - his last several seasons at this level, with the exception of his Charlton loan, have all been successful. I don't like the "we watched him all summer" narrative; it's total nonsense because we all know who we actually wanted. But as far as HTAFC last-minute panic buys go - and we've had enough - I didn't think it was too bad at the time. The above said, it's clear we didn't scout him and went purely on his recent stats. Think the 'watched him all summer' line is disingenuous at best really...I think the line should have been 'he was on our radar all summer along with quite a few other options if we didnt get our primary targets'. Thats probably more the case.. player we knew about and who could be available on a free but not one we were actively chasing. Id agree, it's surprising how poor he is. His recent record in this division is very good and unrecognisable to the player we've seen so far. The two year contract will reflect the other options the player had, which apparently were a few. Imagine there'll be a few DoF glad they got lucky and it was Cartwright who outbid them with hindsight. Think DoF is a role where you need your man to be lucky..and Cartwright really doesnt seem to have that. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 13, 2024 12:38:28 GMT 1
Excellent win.. Just watched back the full game of our premier league victory game over them.. What a day.. The energy and passion in our team that day was amazing.. Mooy and Schindler in their pomp.. The kaiser twirling his cap to the south stand.. Will we ever reach those heights again.. 🤷🏻♂️🥲 A moment in time that I’m sure we are all grateful to have experienced. I can’t remember ever being on such a high after a game of football ( apart from the play off final of course) Gary Neville saying that he was experiencing the best atmosphere in the Premier League and Mourinho after the game saying they had been beaten by a better team, just added to the feeling of pride. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Nov 13, 2024 12:46:25 GMT 1
I don’t think he’s very good, but has he had much of a chance? One start and a few 10 minute cameos?
If he’d had as much game time as Radulovic, I’m guessing he will have at least done better (no shit Sherlock) based on his stats in English football.
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Post by goodbet on Nov 13, 2024 13:07:21 GMT 1
I'm not out to defend Mark Cartwright but surely we're all surprised at how poor Ladapo is? It's not like he was plucked out of the Finnish leagues - his last several seasons at this level, with the exception of his Charlton loan, have all been successful. I don't like the "we watched him all summer" narrative; it's total nonsense because we all know who we actually wanted. But as far as HTAFC last-minute panic buys go - and we've had enough - I didn't think it was too bad at the time. The above said, it's clear we didn't scout him and went purely on his recent stats. Think the 'watched him all summer' line is disingenuous at best really...I think the line should have been 'he was on our radar all summer along with quite a few other options if we didnt get our primary targets'. Thats probably more the case.. player we knew about and who could be available on a free but not one we were actively chasing. Id agree, it's surprising how poor he is. His recent record in this division is very good and unrecognisable to the player we've seen so far. The two year contract will reflect the other options the player had, which apparently were a few. Imagine there'll be a few DoF glad they got lucky and it was Cartwright who outbid them with hindsight. Think DoF is a role where you need your man to be lucky..and Cartwright really doesnt seem to have that. Napoleon used to say give him a lucky General over a good General every time. I still think that said General or DoF has to have some idea as to what he supposed to do. I am somewhat surprised that there has been no mention of Ward's contribution after the game given the general slating of our forward line. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 13, 2024 13:09:04 GMT 1
It's unbelievable really that in Ladapo we have signed a player worse than Simpson and Hudlin.
His legs have gone and I bet he couldn't believe we were handing out a 2 year deal. I bet he was shitting himself that clubs would want to take him on a week or two trial to see where he was at. Not us though because we had backed ourselves in to a corner where we panic spaffed a two year contract under his nose
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2024 13:19:09 GMT 1
It's unbelievable really that in Ladapo we have signed a player worse than Simpson and Hudlin. His legs have gone and I bet he couldn't believe we were handing out a 2 year deal. I bet he was shitting himself that clubs would want to take him on a week or two trial to see where he was at. Not us though because we had backed ourselves in to a corner where we panic spaffed a two year contract under his noseI think thats harsh and doesnt reflect what happened. We chose who we wanted, did the groundwork and put everything in place that we could fully expecting the deal to go through on the final day, as many deals do that late in the window. For reasons out of control it didnt happen but not sure what else we could have done. Then we 'panicked' into getting one of the other options we'd had on our radar...is that panicking, or just trying to make the best of a bad situation with very little time to do it....and on the face of it with his recent track record, Ludapo 'should' have been a decent make-do signing. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 13, 2024 13:22:28 GMT 1
It's unbelievable really that in Ladapo we have signed a player worse than Simpson and Hudlin. His legs have gone and I bet he couldn't believe we were handing out a 2 year deal. I bet he was shitting himself that clubs would want to take him on a week or two trial to see where he was at. Not us though because we had backed ourselves in to a corner where we panic spaffed a two year contract under his noseI think thats harsh and doesnt reflect what happened. We chose who we wanted, did the groundwork and put everything in place that we could fully expecting the deal to go through on the final day, as many deals do that late in the window. For reasons out of control it didnt happen but not sure what else we could have done. Then we 'panicked' into getting one of the other options we'd had on our radar...is that panicking, or just trying to make the best of a bad situation with very little time to do it....and on the face of it with his recent track record, Ludapo 'should' have been a decent make-do signing. If the scouting team had watched any of his games for Charlton in the second half of last season they would have known it wasn't a good idea. Their fans thought he was crap. So either our due diligence was non-existent or we just ignored it in the hope that he might come good again |
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Post by mosher on Nov 13, 2024 15:08:00 GMT 1
So it's not just the Manure first team that has refs in their pockets? I know it's a nowt competition, but how many pens should we have had?  |
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Post by drumriggend on Nov 13, 2024 15:31:39 GMT 1
So it's not just the Manure first team that has refs in their pockets? I know it's a nowt competition, but how many pens should we have had? The miller one was ridiculously bad.. Legs taken away by defender and falls Ont ball.. Ref says handball.. Free kick to them..  .. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2024 15:45:37 GMT 1
I think thats harsh and doesnt reflect what happened. We chose who we wanted, did the groundwork and put everything in place that we could fully expecting the deal to go through on the final day, as many deals do that late in the window. For reasons out of control it didnt happen but not sure what else we could have done. Then we 'panicked' into getting one of the other options we'd had on our radar...is that panicking, or just trying to make the best of a bad situation with very little time to do it....and on the face of it with his recent track record, Ludapo 'should' have been a decent make-do signing. If the scouting team had watched any of his games for Charlton in the second half of last season they would have known it wasn't a good idea. Their fans thought he was crap. So either our due diligence was non-existent or we just ignored it in the hope that he might come good again Possibly, but maybe he wasnt even on the radar at that point? And even if he was, unless there'd been an injury to explain it, I dont think its unreasonable to think a player will still actually be the same quality of player as hed been just the season before when he was firing Ipswich to promotion, even if he wasnt having a great time at Charlton. All sorts of things could have been effecting that. Lack of match sharpness being a main one, which is probably the case here aswell. he looks really poor in the gametime hes had...but its easy to call that in hindsight. At the time we made that decision to sign him...taking into account the lack of time we had left to bring anyone in..then I dont think he was a bad choice on paper at all. So to me it's another case of Cartwright being unlucky more than anything. |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 13, 2024 15:52:36 GMT 1
If the scouting team had watched any of his games for Charlton in the second half of last season they would have known it wasn't a good idea. Their fans thought he was crap. So either our due diligence was non-existent or we just ignored it in the hope that he might come good again Possibly, but maybe he wasnt even on the radar at that point? And even if he was, unless there'd been an injury to explain it, I dont think its unreasonable to think a player will still actually be the same quality of player as hed been just the season before when he was firing Ipswich to promotion, even if he wasnt having a great time at Charlton. All sorts of things could have been effecting that. Lack of match sharpness being a main one, which is probably the case here aswell. he looks really poor in the gametime hes had...but its easy to call that in hindsight. At the time we made that decision to sign him...taking into account the lack of time we had left to bring anyone in..then I dont think he was a bad choice on paper at all. So to me it's another case of Cartwright being unlucky more than anything. I can see that argument but can we really say that Ladapo was signed for tactical reasons? To provide an option if you like. Can anyone say he really made the squad stronger? It was a peculiar signing at best and a panicked one at worst. When you consider he was offered two years at his age, and on the back of 12 months when he really didn't suggest he still had much to offer, it can be challenged. |
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Post by cyberman on Nov 13, 2024 17:40:57 GMT 1
Excellent win.. Just watched back the full game of our premier league victory game over them.. What a day.. The energy and passion in our team that day was amazing.. Mooy and Schindler in their pomp.. The kaiser twirling his cap to the south stand.. Will we ever reach those heights again.. 🤷🏻♂️🥲 Not in my lifetime .......and I am 18 ! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2024 17:50:40 GMT 1
Possibly, but maybe he wasnt even on the radar at that point? And even if he was, unless there'd been an injury to explain it, I dont think its unreasonable to think a player will still actually be the same quality of player as hed been just the season before when he was firing Ipswich to promotion, even if he wasnt having a great time at Charlton. All sorts of things could have been effecting that. Lack of match sharpness being a main one, which is probably the case here aswell. he looks really poor in the gametime hes had...but its easy to call that in hindsight. At the time we made that decision to sign him...taking into account the lack of time we had left to bring anyone in..then I dont think he was a bad choice on paper at all. So to me it's another case of Cartwright being unlucky more than anything. It was a peculiar signing at best and a panicked one at worst. When you consider he was offered two years at his age, and on the back of 12 months when he really didn't suggest he still had much to offer, it can be challenged. Thats the point really . In hindsight then no, he hasnt made the squad stronger ( from what weve seen so far Id prefer Harrett be given the gamesome or Philips now hes back) But we thought we'd be signing the player who fired Ipswich up out of this division only a year earlier, so yes, I can see how theyd think hed make the squad stronger. Unless there'd been an injury, theres no reason why hed have become a bad player in that time. It was a panicked signing in that we wanted another striker option and the one we thought we were getting fell through with only hours of the window left. We had to move extremely fast and Ladapo was presumably the best they thought they could get in that time. In the circumstances the signing made a lot of sense at that time IMO....it's only now having seen him play a bit that I think it was a mistake ( accepting he wont be match sharp) |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2024 18:00:07 GMT 1
Excellent win.. Just watched back the full game of our premier league victory game over them.. What a day.. The energy and passion in our team that day was amazing.. Mooy and Schindler in their pomp.. The kaiser twirling his cap to the south stand.. Will we ever reach those heights again.. 🤷🏻♂️🥲 Not in my lifetime .......and I am 18 ! At your age, id expect to have more than one spell in the top division during my life. Whether any of them last very long is a different matter. When I was 18 Burnley finished 3rd bottom of whats now League 2 avoiding relegation by 1 point. |
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Post by soapystevens on Nov 13, 2024 18:02:33 GMT 1
Apparently, there was some scouts there last night who could they have been there to watch, maybe Freddie Ladapo.
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Nov 13, 2024 18:44:38 GMT 1
Thats the point really . In hindsight then no, he hasnt made the squad stronger ( from what weve seen so far Id prefer Harrett be given the gamesome or Philips now hes back) But we thought we'd be signing the player who fired Ipswich up out of this division only a year earlier, so yes, I can see how theyd think hed make the squad stronger. Unless there'd been an injury, theres no reason why hed have become a bad player in that time. It was a panicked signing in that we wanted another striker option and the one we thought we were getting fell through with only hours of the window left. We had to move extremely fast and Ladapo was presumably the best they thought they could get in that time. In the circumstances the signing made a lot of sense at that time IMO....it's only now having seen him play a bit that I think it was a mistake ( accepting he wont be match sharp) I’m kind of on the same page in that I thought it made sense at the time, assuming all the work had been done in the background. But, regarding hindsight, that’s the only way the success of a transfer can be judged. If we thought we were signing the player who “fired Ipswich to promotion” why did we think that as opposed to the player who (more recently) was shite and bombed out at Charlton? Assuming that work was done, the club (or an individual, or a group of individuals) has still made a judgement call that it was the former and not the latter, and all the signs are that that call was wrong. I’m afraid you don’t get to call ‘bad luck’ when your job is to get more of these calls right than you get wrong, when most of them look to be wrong. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 13, 2024 19:48:08 GMT 1
I wonder if any away fans will turn up? 593 in the away end apparently. |
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