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Post by smj1 on Apr 7, 2009 12:52:31 GMT 1
DATMers
There has been a number of comments and we continue to receive emails about the FM Lower next season.
Consequently I wanted to get across the message that The FM Lower will be very much a family area and shouldn't be seen as a low cost option. The Club will focus on building families for this particular area.
Entertainment around the stand will focus on families and family values - as such we are encouraging our fans to respect the family area and everything that goes with this as we aim to attract children to it.
Additionally we will look to retain some of the seats for ongoing promotions with schools , fans of the future etc.
Also please be aware that transfers to the Pink Link Stand will not be cheap from the stand.
Regards
Sean
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Post by NookTerrier on Apr 7, 2009 12:59:44 GMT 1
Thanks for the post Sean, however I have a question. What about stands which people would class more expensive than the Pink Link itself? For example DG Upper, should people still need to fork out to swap if they were given chance?
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Post by downatthepharm on Apr 7, 2009 13:00:59 GMT 1
Thanks for the post Sean, however I have a question. What about stands which people would class more expensive than the Pink Link itself? For example DG Upper, should people still need to fork out to swap if they were given chance? Should get money back  |
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Post by andyhudd on Apr 7, 2009 13:06:46 GMT 1
Some people will no doubt be able to afford £99, but not say £199 or £249 ... so especially given the current climate - the cheapest tickets (100% less than the next cheapest) were always going to appeal to a lot of people, for whom it might well be the choice of watching Town from the FML next season, or not at all.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Apr 7, 2009 13:10:09 GMT 1
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The impression that I (and I'm not sure how many other Town fans) got was that the club was trying to encourage the FML as the new singing section, hence the low prices to get some of the younger Town fans into there.
I was quite confused when these prices came about yet the club was still promoting it as a Family Area.
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Post by ollyhtafc on Apr 7, 2009 13:12:54 GMT 1
Does anyone know if you'd be allowed in with an umbrella? I think it would probably be classed as a weapon or something stupid but, on a tuesday evening at christmas pissing it down with rain, would i be able to stop myself getting absolutely soaked?
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Post by TerrierArmy on Apr 7, 2009 13:19:54 GMT 1
I was quite confused when these prices came about yet the club was still promoting it as a Family Area. Me too Vp... 60% cheaper than the popular stand and you don't think it should be seen as a low cost option??? Well you've judged that one wrong! And why we need a 'family' stand is beyond me. There are plenty of families dotted around the stadium and they are far more likely to choose the Antich or the DG. Remember young kids are free or practically in other stands, so there is no real reason why a fully grown adult will choose the FM lower unless they are really skint- therefore it will be a low cost option for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by chinaski on Apr 7, 2009 13:25:52 GMT 1
I think the club has got this one all wrong.
Why couldn't we have adopted a similar system as some of the smaller clubs in this division i.e Leyton Orient where you sell season tickets in a particular area and then ask the fans to move when teams come with bigger followings. That way the club could have sold half of the pink link stand at 249 and the fans would only have to move around 4-5 times tops a season? Orient do it with their East Stand and then move the fans when Millwall/Brighton etc come to visit.
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Post by henseventee on Apr 7, 2009 13:31:04 GMT 1
Does anyone know if you'd be allowed in with an umbrella? I think it would probably be classed as a weapon or something stupid but, on a tuesday evening at christmas pissing it down with rain, would i be able to stop myself getting absolutely soaked? Its against ground regulations to bring an umbrella in. |
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Post by rooo on Apr 7, 2009 13:39:55 GMT 1
Sorry Sean, but I think there will be a lot of tickets sold in this area to people who look at it as THE low-cost option.
With hindsight, maybe the club should have sold packages for this stand such as 1 adult and 2 child's' tickets (although people would still purchase them as a cheap option and left 2 seats free, as child's tickets are free)
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Post by againstallodds on Apr 7, 2009 13:40:36 GMT 1
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan.
Seems nobody can do right for doing wrong round here at the moment. Everyone behind the scenes is bending over backwards for the supporters of this club, and still they are met with pessimism, negativity and 'I know best' attitudes.
Keep up the good work behind the scenes SMJ1 and don't get disheartened.
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Post by pozza on Apr 7, 2009 13:42:03 GMT 1
Having a familly stand behind the goal is a joke IMO.
How many other clubs do this? I can't think of one that has a Familly Stand behind the goal. Traditionally behind the goals is where the more "hardcore" supporters go, Town must be the only club that activly encourage a lesser atmosphere within the stadium.
Familly stand should have been the Upper Tier if its to be behind the goal, and the FM Lower should have been left for the "normal" punters. I know its been marketed as a Familly area, but I reckon come 1st game of the season it wont be anything like.
Town are normally quite good at marketing things, but they have dropped a major, major bollock with this one.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Apr 7, 2009 13:42:34 GMT 1
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan. Seems nobody can do right for doing wrong round here at the moment. Everyone behind the scenes is bending over backwards for the supporters of this club, and still they are met with pessimism, negativity and 'I know best' attitudes. Keep up the good work behind the scenes SMJ1 and don't get disheartened. I don't think that's the case whatsoever. People are just saying how they interpreted the situation, and how they think others will interpret it. I'm sure the club has done all the right figures and calculations and seen that the £99 FML deal is the best one for this moment in time, but it doesn't mean that we can't question their motivations. |
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Post by henseventee on Apr 7, 2009 13:43:17 GMT 1
I think the club has got this one all wrong. Agreed. If you want to create a 'family area' you don't simply make it cheap. Look down the road for example. In their designated family section, its ONLY possibly to buy a max of 2 adult season tickets for every child seat in the family section - if you don't buy a child seat, you can't buy an adult seat in that section. They reinforce this in that in the rest of the ground 'newcomers' aren't able to buy cheap child tickets at all, ie, if your kid didn't come in last season as a kid, then they have to pay adult prices if not in the family section. Whilst I wouldn't advocate going THAT far and we don't have the large supporter numbers they have at Leeds that allows them to alienate a number in order to maximise the revenue they collect per seat from a particular stand, it would have made a LOT of sense to do something inbetween. I would have suggested that NEW adult tickets in the FM Upper or Lower could have only been purchased with a child ticket (at a ratio of 2/3/4 to 1 perhaps, depending on how many the club would forecast actually going in there), and then elsewhere, increase the cost of entry for children. It's too late now of course. Were any fans groups consulted when determining the pricing structure?? This would have seemed to be an obvious flaw in 'what was wanted against what will happen' that could have easily been identified with a bit of input from real ears to the ground 'normal' supporters. £99 and no 'forced child accompaniment' as it stands simply means a proportion of the younger end of the singing section will relocate. For what it's worth, I have had an adult and child season ticket in the Kilner Bank for the last 5 years, and had my seat in the Kilner before that since we moved...but before the prices were announced I'd decided I fancied a move to the FM Upper this season...you get to see roughly 25% more Town goals at that end compared to where I've endured. The £49+£23 reduction I'll get for doing that just makes the decision a bit easier, but it certainly wouldn't have made me think about moving if I wasn't already intending to do so. |
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Post by henseventee on Apr 7, 2009 13:44:58 GMT 1
Having a familly stand behind the goal is a joke IMO. How many other clubs do this? I can't think of one that has a Familly Stand behind the goal. Leeds. |
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Post by chinaski on Apr 7, 2009 13:45:38 GMT 1
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan. Seems nobody can do right for doing wrong round here at the moment. Everyone behind the scenes is bending over backwards for the supporters of this club, and still they are met with pessimism, negativity and 'I know best' attitudes. Keep up the good work behind the scenes SMJ1 and don't get disheartened. You are completely wrong Roger. Sean has always been greatly received on this site and we all appreciate him coming on here and showing that the club does indeed care about the fans. For the first time since Dean Hoyle has been involved with the club I think the wrong decision has been made. Like Pozza says, having a family area behind a goal is not a good idea and selling tickets there at dirt cheap prices was always going to attract people looking for firstly a good price and secondly to get some atmosphere in the place for once. |
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Post by pozza on Apr 7, 2009 13:49:17 GMT 1
Having a familly stand behind the goal is a joke IMO. How many other clubs do this? I can't think of one that has a Familly Stand behind the goal. Leeds. Are you sure? I always thought it was down the side (unless its changed to South Stand, and if you saw whats happened against Town & Millwall from within that stand i'd say it was anything but a Familly Area) Even so, Leeds have the Kop end at the other end for all the hardcare/singer to go. Town give the best behind the goal stand to away fans, then the other end to Famillys!!! That means all the singers are far more spread out around the Stadium and thus having a massive impact on the atmosphere. |
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Post by andyhudd on Apr 7, 2009 13:51:12 GMT 1
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan. Seems nobody can do right for doing wrong round here at the moment. Everyone behind the scenes is bending over backwards for the supporters of this club, and still they are met with pessimism, negativity and 'I know best' attitudes. Keep up the good work behind the scenes SMJ1 and don't get disheartened. You are completely wrong Roger. Sean has always been greatly received on this site and we all appreciate him coming on here and showing that the club does indeed care about the fans. For the first time since Dean Hoyle has been involved with the club I think the wrong decision has been made.Like Pozza says, having a family area behind a goal is not a good idea and selling tickets there at dirt cheap prices was always going to attract people looking for firstly a good price and secondly to get some atmosphere in the place for once. I'd have to disagree. Second time, considering the end of season awards event (The DATM equivalent seems to have been forgotten?). Things have improved hugely, in areas, admittedly ... but occasional mistakes are still being made, overlooking the majority of fans, I feel. |
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Post by chinaski on Apr 7, 2009 13:56:40 GMT 1
Andy; sorry not aware any end of season award event but to be honest don't really think thats very important....
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Post by henseventee on Apr 7, 2009 14:04:45 GMT 1
Are you sure? I always thought it was down the side (unless its changed to South Stand, and if you saw whats happened against Town & Millwall from within that stand i'd say it was anything but a Familly Area) Even so, Leeds have the Kop end at the other end for all the hardcare/singer to go. Town give the best behind the goal stand to away fans, then the other end to Famillys!!! That means all the singers are far more spread out around the Stadium and thus having a massive impact on the atmosphere. No. I'm wrong. I do it every time  ...its cos on their stadium seating plan it's labelled "FA" in the lower section behind the goal and cos it was sold as 'only buy an adult if you buy a kids' and 'you can't get a kids discount unless you sit in that area' for our game over there this season so its locked in my head its their family area. As it happens, that entire stand behind the goal you can't purchase season tickets in for the 2009-2010 season, its only pay on the day.  |
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Post by andyhudd on Apr 7, 2009 14:08:30 GMT 1
Andy; sorry not aware any end of season award event but to be honest don't really think thats very important.... I beg to differ ... but lets keep this thread on topic. If you're not aware of it - this thread outlines what's going on. |
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Post by TerrierArmy on Apr 7, 2009 14:11:28 GMT 1
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan. Seems nobody can do right for doing wrong round here at the moment. Everyone behind the scenes is bending over backwards for the supporters of this club, and still they are met with pessimism, negativity and 'I know best' attitudes. Keep up the good work behind the scenes SMJ1 and don't get disheartened. Just giving an opinion about the situation, SMJ came on to our DISCUSSION board and we discussed it. Not negativity and moaning, as them are two qualities your post consists of. I'm sure SMJ has the quality of character to at least read our opinions and interpretation of the situation, he may not necessarily agree with our viewpoint and that is fair enough. Anyway it's good that we keep Deano and SMJ on their toes Nothing wrong with dissent, I consider it a patriotic duty to Huddersfield town |
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Apr 7, 2009 14:18:28 GMT 1
I think it's pretty clear that if you're going offer £99 season tickets without stipulations, in this economic environment, then it will be the younger / unemployed demographic who will naturally lean towards that choice, regardless of the apparent branding of the stand.
Sean, I would be interested to know what the club sees as its 'family' demographic, i.e. do they regard parents with young children, below 8 years old, or older families?
In my seat in the DG lower, I sit with family, including those aged between 8 and 13, and the row in front of us also has young children on it.
I think, with children's tickets so low priced, an adult making the decision of where to sit would be taking into account the view they'd get, moreso than the negligible difference in price, so would be more likely to choose the middle/north end of the Antich or the DG lower.
Will the club be placing any stipulations on purchase of season tickets in the FM lower, or will it just be a free-for-all when tickets go on sale? If it's the latter than I can see the pushed-for-cash die-hards snapping up tickets a lot faster than families.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2009 14:20:56 GMT 1
Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan. Seems nobody can do right for doing wrong round here at the moment. Everyone behind the scenes is bending over backwards for the supporters of this club, and still they are met with pessimism, negativity and 'I know best' attitudes. Keep up the good work behind the scenes SMJ1 and don't get disheartened. Just giving an opinion about the situation, SMJ came on to our DISCUSSION board and we discussed it. Not negativity and moaning, as them are two qualities your post consists of. I'm sure SMJ has the quality of character to at least read our opinions and interpretation of the situation, he may not necessarily agree with our viewpoint and that is fair enough. Anyway it's good that we keep Deano and SMJ on their toes Nothing wrong with dissent, I consider it a patriotic duty to Huddersfield town If Everybody just responds to him with "yeah that's great", where is the feedback he can take on board and find useful in decisions. He doesn't have to act upon what every fan says but I imagine he appreciates a bit of respectful honsety towards him. I'm not bothered whether we have a family stand or not to be honest, I won't be sitting in there if we do so it doesn't affect me and I don't particularly mind which stand I sit in as every stand in every stadium will have a mixture of some alright fans and some arses so it doesn't matter tremendously. |
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Post by smj1 on Apr 7, 2009 14:31:24 GMT 1
All feedback welcome and there will always be difference of opinion.
It is this feedback including the wider audience that allows us to continue to progress the Club further.
Not everyone agrees with decisions made but is comments are always considered
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2009 14:39:04 GMT 1
cheers for the notice sean
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Post by pozza on Apr 7, 2009 15:18:32 GMT 1
Will the club be placing any stipulations on purchase of season tickets in the FM lower, or will it just be a free-for-all when tickets go on sale? If it's the latter than I can see the pushed-for-cash die-hards snapping up tickets a lot faster than families. No stipulations. Anyone can just walk up and buy a ticket whoever they may be. |
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Post by Jayeff13 on Apr 7, 2009 15:21:55 GMT 1
Town must be the only club that activly encourage a lesser atmosphere within the stadium. How can you say that after they've pushed so hard to secure the South Stand? If you'd have said this time last year that you could sit in the South Stand for 15/16 games in a season, you'd have jumped at the chance. Now your complaining that you can't sit in the worst part of the stadium! Also can you remember when the Panasonic wasn't promoted as a family stand (98-2000), the atmosphere in there was still dross and that's when we were in the top half of the then Division 1. It's unfortunate that the way the stadium is designed that it's poor for acoustics but we've known that for 15 years now. We were given a singing section in the Kilner Bank but people still don't sing what more do you want the club to do! The club are working towards our future here, Hoyle/Jarvis/Clibbens aren't stupid, they know what is best for the club and people should have more faith and respect their decisions rather than complaining about them! |
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Apr 7, 2009 15:22:32 GMT 1
Will the club be placing any stipulations on purchase of season tickets in the FM lower, or will it just be a free-for-all when tickets go on sale? If it's the latter than I can see the pushed-for-cash die-hards snapping up tickets a lot faster than families. No stipulations. Anyone can just walk up and buy a ticket whoever they may be. If this is the case then the club has little chance of maintaining it as a 'family' stand. Will you still be going in Pozza, after this news? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2009 15:32:34 GMT 1
I'm still getting a ticket in there. And I am not a youngster, I'm not unemployed and I'm not particularly skint. Just a tight bastard.
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...its cos on their stadium seating plan it's labelled "FA" in the lower section behind the goal and cos it was sold as 'only buy an adult if you buy a kids' and 'you can't get a kids discount unless you sit in that area' for our game over there this season so its locked in my head its their family area.
