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Post by Mecha Corte on Mar 5, 2021 13:24:54 GMT 1
You're absolutely right, the dream of football is sold by these non league clubs. Kids need guidance from their parents and other influential adults around them, so that they make the correct choices for them as an individual. In some instances signing up for a non league team for your post 16 studies might be a good move for one kid, but not for others, all depending on differing factors You're totally correct on this point, but this can be the biggest problem. Too many parents are blinkered - first of all they think their child is a brilliant footballer and has a real chance of making it in the professional game and secondly, they don't want to upset their little darling by telling them that that is not the right thing for them to be doing. I know I sound like a middle-aged grump (I probably am one, if I'm honest!) but I've worked in a secondary school for too long! I wonder how many parents are also hoping for their own financial windfall should their child hit the PL meal ticket ?
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Post by ilsonterrier on Mar 5, 2021 14:17:01 GMT 1
You're totally correct on this point, but this can be the biggest problem. Too many parents are blinkered - first of all they think their child is a brilliant footballer and has a real chance of making it in the professional game and secondly, they don't want to upset their little darling by telling them that that is not the right thing for them to be doing. I know I sound like a middle-aged grump (I probably am one, if I'm honest!) but I've worked in a secondary school for too long! I wonder how many parents are also hoping for their own financial windfall should their child hit the PL meal ticket ? How cynical (but very probably correct)! ๐๐
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Post by midge on Mar 5, 2021 15:10:47 GMT 1
I wonder how many parents are also hoping for their own financial windfall should their child hit the PL meal ticket ? How cynical (but very probably correct)! ๐๐ The reality is that the vast majority of parents with kids in an academy are pretty โnormalโ! Obviously it brings out the worst in some people but By and large are very reflective of any โgroupโ in society! The stereotyping of these parents does make me chortle๐ฌ
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Post by ilsonterrier on Mar 5, 2021 15:57:33 GMT 1
How cynical (but very probably correct)! ๐๐ The reality is that the vast majority of parents with kids in an academy are pretty โnormalโ! Obviously it brings out the worst in some people but By and large are very reflective of any โgroupโ in society! The stereotyping of these parents does make me chortle๐ฌ It's not these kids and parents that I'm talking about - the ones you mention have already been picked up because of their footballing ability. Sounds like you have experience of an academy - not all of these are going to make it are they? It's the ones who are choosing to go to (mainly) non-league clubs as an alternative to staying in school or going to college. It's sold to them as an opportunity to get into professional football and the likelihood of this happening is close to nil. If they had the ability to be a professional footballer the chances are that they would have been scouted by the age of 16 anyway.
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Post by midge on Mar 5, 2021 19:22:05 GMT 1
The reality is that the vast majority of parents with kids in an academy are pretty โnormalโ! Obviously it brings out the worst in some people but By and large are very reflective of any โgroupโ in society! The stereotyping of these parents does make me chortle๐ฌ It's not these kids and parents that I'm talking about - the ones you mention have already been picked up because of their footballing ability. Sounds like you have experience of an academy - not all of these are going to make it are they? It's the ones who are choosing to go to (mainly) non-league clubs as an alternative to staying in school or going to college. It's sold to them as an opportunity to get into professional football and the likelihood of this happening is close to nil. If they had the ability to be a professional footballer the chances are that they would have been scouted by the age of 16 anyway.ย Yeah I get that you are mainly talking about the relatively new breed of โnon - league Btecโ type qualifications, I just took it that you meant both pre and post school academies when you started on the topic of the number of kids who make it in the pro game. I am guessing that these clubs get some sort of funding to set these schemes up and agree that this needs to be โsoldโ properly! I know you are coming at it from a educational/ school point of view and get your point totally. From a parent/ kid point of view, not all kids take to education in terms of maths/english/ science etc and i think this is where schools fall down sometimes. Vocational courses are definitely the way for some and thatโs not always recognised! You will no doubt say that these courses are not particularly vocational but may suit kids who have an aptitude for footy/sport but would agree that they need to understand the options/ chances of what these qualifications will give them and that it is unlikely to lead into a football career! What I would say is that football/ sport can give you some great life skills and that these are often over looked for an A* / level 9 qualification but would agree that a mixture of the 2 is the ideal!
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Post by ilsonterrier on Mar 5, 2021 20:18:08 GMT 1
It's not these kids and parents that I'm talking about - the ones you mention have already been picked up because of their footballing ability. Sounds like you have experience of an academy - not all of these are going to make it are they? It's the ones who are choosing to go to (mainly) non-league clubs as an alternative to staying in school or going to college. It's sold to them as an opportunity to get into professional football and the likelihood of this happening is close to nil. If they had the ability to be a professional footballer the chances are that they would have been scouted by the age of 16 anyway. Yeah I get that you are mainly talking about the relatively new breed of โnon - league Btecโ type qualifications, I just took it that you meant both pre and post school academies when you started on the topic of the number of kids who make it in the pro game. I am guessing that these clubs get some sort of funding to set these schemes up and agree that this needs to be โsoldโ properly! I know you are coming at it from a educational/ school point of view and get your point totally. From a parent/ kid point of view, not all kids take to education in terms of maths/english/ science etc and i think this is where schools fall down sometimes. Vocational courses are definitely the way for some and thatโs not always recognised! You will no doubt say that these courses are not particularly vocational but may suit kids who have an aptitude for footy/sport but would agree that they need to understand the options/ chances of what these qualifications will give them and that it is unlikely to lead into a football career! What I would say is that football/ sport can give you some great life skills and that these are often over looked for an A* / level 9 qualification but would agree that a mixture of the 2 is the ideal! Oh absolutely - football and sport in general does give the kids loads of life skills, if only they'd realise how relevant they are - and I'm certainly not advocating that they give up playing sport as soon as they finish year 11 (which sadly too many of them do). I'm so glad my son has continued playing rugby into the men's game. It's more about understanding that, for the vast majority of them, playing football (or any sport) is going to be a hobby, rather than a career.
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 6, 2021 16:38:00 GMT 1
Olagunju on the bench for Vale. Ben Jackson not even on the bench for Bolton at the coop
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Post by Hank Hill on Mar 9, 2021 22:52:06 GMT 1
I want half of our academy lads to succeed just because I want hear their names in the starting line-up:
Evander Grubb Lil Jordan Rey Francisco Donay O'Brian-Brady Charles Nduwuisi-Ondo
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Post by space hardware on Mar 10, 2021 0:09:22 GMT 1
I want half of our academy lads to succeed just because I want hear their names in the starting line-up: Evander Grubb Lil Jordan Rey Francisco Donay O'Brian-Brady Charles Nduwuisi-Ondo There's a young lad called Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo who looks the business too
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Post by joburgjon on Mar 10, 2021 16:41:10 GMT 1
Another good win for the B team today.
5 in a row of think.
For me that's what the B team should be about. The winning habit.
U17's & U19's for developing the kids. The B team to develop the winning habit, ready to go into the first team
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 10, 2021 18:51:03 GMT 1
Another good win for the B team today. 5 in a row of think. For me that's what the B team should be about. The winning habit. U17's & U19's for developing the kids. The B team to develop the winning habit, ready to go into the first team The first team to take that habit away sharpish ๐คฃ
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Post by joburgjon on Mar 10, 2021 19:05:27 GMT 1
Another good win for the B team today. 5 in a row of think. For me that's what the B team should be about. The winning habit. U17's & U19's for developing the kids. The B team to develop the winning habit, ready to go into the first team The first team to take that habit away sharpish ๐คฃ Hahahahaha don't, I'm trying to be positive :-)
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Post by joburgjon on Mar 13, 2021 12:16:59 GMT 1
Another good win yesterday for the U19s against Chorley.
Good test for a bunch of teenagers to play against grown men
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Post by Hank Hill on Mar 18, 2021 13:05:54 GMT 1
What a goal from Diarra
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Mar 18, 2021 13:08:11 GMT 1
Huge huge talent is Diarra
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 18, 2021 13:48:26 GMT 1
I know it's a youth team game against Fleetwood or Fylde or whoever it was but that's astonishing. Maradona-esque. Best individual goal I've seen at any level for a long time. What a player we have on our hands- I thought it was a bit unfair on the other side playing him with the under 19s as he's a B team regular, but just seen that he's only 17 as well!
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Post by keefer on Mar 18, 2021 21:53:45 GMT 1
I really hope this lad gets some playing time with the first team next season. He's probably a bit too lightweight as yet to be a regular but I can visualise him coming on in the last 25 minutes or so of a game and having a real impact. He has all the talent, time will tell if he has the other 90% of attributes that are required to play at a high level
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 19, 2021 13:33:10 GMT 1
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 19, 2021 15:46:00 GMT 1
Rowe hauled off injured for the b team today ๐ฌ
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Mar 19, 2021 15:47:07 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas always seems to be in the thick of the action in a positive way
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 19, 2021 16:36:55 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas always seems to be in the thick of the action in a positive way Won a penalty, scored by Danny Ward
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Post by joburgjon on Mar 19, 2021 17:00:11 GMT 1
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Mar 21, 2021 16:53:47 GMT 1
Advertising for trials in the academy. Absolutely embarrassing and so tin pot. My lad left the academy at under 12s and is now with Leeds academy pushing for a scholarship He would come back to his boyhood club in a heartbeat Such a shame. It's hardly worked for shutting the academy has it.
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Post by joburgjon on Mar 21, 2021 17:27:45 GMT 1
Absolutely nothing wrong with this, loads of clubs do this.
My lad was due to go to an open Trial with Sheffield United last Easter before it was cancelled due to the pandemic.
If your lad is good enough to get a scholarship at Leeds United, then there no reason for him to come back to Town's Academy
I guess Leeds United are tinpot for having an open Trial last December??
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 21, 2021 20:07:48 GMT 1
I'm actually glad they've having open trials to be honest - they should leave no stone unturned in terms of who they look at Charlton found Ade Lookman aged 16 in one of these try outs www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ademola-lookman-interview-everton-england-u20s-world-cup-a7756391.html"It has been a whirlwind three years for a player whose route into professional football was far more circuitous than an ordinary academy graduate. The 19-year-old was playing for Sunday league side Waterloo FC in 2014 and it wasn't until a trial match between Charlton Under-16s and a south London XI, organised by the FA, that he finally caught the eye of a league club. So impressive was his performance in that game that he quickly signed terms to join up with Jason Euell's development squad at Sparrows Lane, making his first-team debut 18 months later and finishing the campaign with the Championship Apprentice of the Season award both for his efforts on the pitch and dedication to his studies. Lookman, who achieved three A*s and five As at GCSE, is proud of his remarkable rise and hopes to be seen as a role model for other boys whose dreams of making it into the professional game are fading."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 20:11:52 GMT 1
Advertising for trials in the academy. Absolutely embarrassing and so tin pot. My lad left the academy at under 12s and is now with Leeds academy pushing for a scholarship He would come back to his boyhood club in a heartbeat Such a shame. It's hardly worked for shutting the academy has it. How can they advertise trials for a shut academy!? Don't you mean they changed the age groups of the academy & your lad will get his opportunity to return to his boyhood club when he is the correct age, like the trialists they advertise for?
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Post by midge on Mar 21, 2021 20:33:54 GMT 1
Advertising for trials in the academy. Absolutely embarrassing and so tin pot. My lad left the academy at under 12s and is now with Leeds academy pushing for a scholarship He would come back to his boyhood club in a heartbeat Such a shame. It's hardly worked for shutting the academy has it. Was just thinking that last week as I was watching the goal from young Brahima! Been an absolute disaster๐
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 21, 2021 21:09:24 GMT 1
Advertising for trials in the academy. Absolutely embarrassing and so tin pot. My lad left the academy at under 12s and is now with Leeds academy pushing for a scholarship He would come back to his boyhood club in a heartbeat Such a shame. It's hardly worked for shutting the academy has it. yeah that's a fair and objective criticism of the academy and doesn't sound like you have an axe to grind at all
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Post by TTCMatt on Mar 22, 2021 21:13:29 GMT 1
Advertising for trials in the academy. Absolutely embarrassing and so tin pot. My lad left the academy at under 12s and is now with Leeds academy pushing for a scholarship He would come back to his boyhood club in a heartbeatSuch a shame. It's hardly worked for shutting the academy has it. Then shoot Lee Mellor a message; twitter.com/lee_mellorThey've probably still got 9 slots or so I imagine.
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Post by joburgjon on Mar 24, 2021 13:21:22 GMT 1
Central League Cup Northern Final today away at Carlisle today.
Win this and we're through to the National Final against Bournemouth
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