Public sector Tw*ts

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And it is the reason why UKIP's popularity is on a dramatic rise. But they'll be just as bad within 6 months

[dsr]

Jul 10, 2014 10:21:33 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

never been able to 'withdraw my labour'. What is pissing me off is that the government want to change the rules/contracts that they agreed to with sections of the workforce. Instead of changing the rules for all new starters in those jobs which is what they should be doing they are using the excuse that they and the financial services sector made such a bollox of everything, that now they will changing agreements signed years and years ago and changing pension rights etc.

Ok the world situation has changed, why cant everyone who took out a loan/mortgage years ago now go back to their lenders and say "given the world financial situation, I can no longer pay the AGREED sum and therefore I will be paying significantly less and if there is a shortfall, no matter how large, its tough shit on you, you will have to stand it".??

Lets make it fair, eh? see how those fuckers like it..

Private sector workers had 10% tax relief taken off their pensions by Gordon Brown 15+ years ago.  That's 10% relief every year, compounded, and wasn't in the contract when I started my pension.  When I started working, I could pay enough contributions for a comfortable retirement at 65.  Now, I can't, because the government has changed the rules - my pension pot is much less and retirement age is up to 68.

A lot of public sector workers think they're the only ones whose rules are changing.  They're wrong.

[sapphireblue]

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There is statistically more chance of me being kicked to death by a donkey than having my life saved by a fireman, that's a fact, [/quote]

I think you get far too close to the back ends of too many donkeys, mate.

[Doc Halladay 32]

Jul 10, 2014 10:45:41 GMT 1 dsr said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:21:33 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

never been able to 'withdraw my labour'. What is pissing me off is that the government want to change the rules/contracts that they agreed to with sections of the workforce. Instead of changing the rules for all new starters in those jobs which is what they should be doing they are using the excuse that they and the financial services sector made such a bollox of everything, that now they will changing agreements signed years and years ago and changing pension rights etc.

Ok the world situation has changed, why cant everyone who took out a loan/mortgage years ago now go back to their lenders and say "given the world financial situation, I can no longer pay the AGREED sum and therefore I will be paying significantly less and if there is a shortfall, no matter how large, its tough shit on you, you will have to stand it".??

Lets make it fair, eh? see how those fuckers like it..

Private sector workers had 10% tax relief taken off their pensions by Gordon Brown 15+ years ago.  That's 10% relief every year, compounded, and wasn't in the contract when I started my pension.  When I started working, I could pay enough contributions for a comfortable retirement at 65.  Now, I can't, because the government has changed the rules - my pension pot is much less and retirement age is up to 68.

A lot of public sector workers think they're the only ones whose rules are changing.  They're wrong.

I believe everyone has a right to industrial action in both the public and private sector it really doesn't matter which sector you are in everyone just wants a decent days pay for a decent days work but I find folk complaining about people when they do try and take action for their particular grievance its whinge whinge whinge from the ill informed.

[Grandfather Berty of Cleck]

Jul 10, 2014 10:45:41 GMT 1 dsr said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:21:33 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

never been able to 'withdraw my labour'. What is pissing me off is that the government want to change the rules/contracts that they agreed to with sections of the workforce. Instead of changing the rules for all new starters in those jobs which is what they should be doing they are using the excuse that they and the financial services sector made such a bollox of everything, that now they will changing agreements signed years and years ago and changing pension rights etc.

Ok the world situation has changed, why cant everyone who took out a loan/mortgage years ago now go back to their lenders and say "given the world financial situation, I can no longer pay the AGREED sum and therefore I will be paying significantly less and if there is a shortfall, no matter how large, its tough shit on you, you will have to stand it".??

Lets make it fair, eh? see how those fuckers like it..

Private sector workers had 10% tax relief taken off their pensions by Gordon Brown 15+ years ago.  That's 10% relief every year, compounded, and wasn't in the contract when I started my pension.  When I started working, I could pay enough contributions for a comfortable retirement at 65.  Now, I can't, because the government has changed the rules - my pension pot is much less and retirement age is up to 68.

A lot of public sector workers think they're the only ones whose rules are changing.  They're wrong.

I don't think the public sector workers think that at all.
They appreciate pension schemes have changed for almost everyone.
That doesn't mean that everyone should be in a race to the bottom though.
Sometimes you have to make a stand.

Today's strike is to try and get a fair wage for those workers on £6 an hour.
It is not to get a pay rise for everyone.

[wasp]

If it wasn't for people like me you would live in a 3rd world country you stupid fuckwit!

I took on my job happy with the terms and conditions, but then they decided to change it at their own free will, doubling my workload. If it was up to me it would be an indefinate strike and c**** like you could live in a 3rd world state of a shithole, rest assured you'd complain about the filth, rats and maggots!

[Essex Terrier]

Some bloody EXCELLENT teachers out there who are over-worked and underpaid and they deserve to be looked after, but.....

How do you weed these out from all the bloody awful ones who are out there too who are lazy, under utilised and have poor skills, but who can never be disciplined; when found wanting they are shifted off to another school because the management fears being able to sack the lazy bastards! And yet these managers, Head Teachers, "Captains of industry" are paid (to my certain knowledge) over £70k p.a. for running a tiny first school with a staff of about 25 - 30!! Then, then mind you, they (we!) retire them on wonderful pensions from their mid fiftys!

Now, just in case you think I am just a bitter old man (and I am!) the question is; who are we letting down by continuing to accept the lie that teachers are overworked and underpaid? It isn't me, it is our children who will pick up the tab! They will pick it up the tab of poor educational standards while also having to fund the generous public sector pension funds which will yet cripple this country.

It's the next generation we are robbing and we should be ashamed of ourselves!

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Times are changing, people now live a lot longer so old style pensions have become unaffordable. Unions expect their members to be immune from change, where everyone else just has to deal with it.

An average private sector worker will work for 50 plus years and spend around 15 years in retirement, contrast this with a firefighter who can spend more years in retirement than actually spent working and the reason for pension reform becomes quite obvious.

The usual tripe gets reeled out by the unions..... That it would be dangerous to do a physical job where you can't retire until you're 60..... really? try telling a brick layer or a scaffolder that!

Or that being a firefighter is such a dangerous job that they should retire in their early 50's. Actually, being a HGV driver is statistically more dangerous, so that argument is null too.

[Deleted]

Used to work in the Public sector, The conditions of teachers in particular have improved no end, with work life balance, introduction of teaching assistants etc etc. The pay freeze only effects the top end of teaching as progression thresholds are met pretty much every year. Decent headteachers also made up spurious posts to reward those teachers who worked hard with more responsibility and pay.

The pensions are unsustainable so had to change, The pay of teachers will at some point in the future see huge rises to make it equivalent to pre-credit crunch wages or the truth of the matter is graduates wont go into the profession. Everyone had a hard time from the credit crunch. The private sector went down first and is now dragging us back out. The public sector will have to wait for this to proliferate through to them.

Private sector work = Riskier but more rewards
Public sector work = Safer but less rewards

[wasp]

Jul 10, 2014 10:57:36 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Times are changing, people now live a lot longer so old style pensions have become unaffordable. Unions expect their members to be immune from change, where everyone else just has to deal with it.

An average private sector worker will work for 50 plus years and spend around 15 years in retirement, contrast this with a firefighter who can spend more years in retirement than actually spent working and the reason for pension reform becomes quite obvious.

The usual tripe gets reeled out by the unions..... That it would be dangerous to do a physical job where you can't retire until you're 60..... really? try telling a brick layer or a scaffolder that!

Or that being a firefighter is such a dangerous job that they should retire in their early 50's. Actually, being a HGV driver is statistically more dangerous, so that argument is null too.

A bricklayer stands still to lay bricks, it's the labourer that does the graft

[nicovaesen]

Jul 10, 2014 10:14:28 GMT 1 Doc Halladay 32 said:

Hmmm Government froze pay for the last 4 years, with another 4 years pay freeze being suggested by the Tories.

I wonder how many private sectors workers wouldn't be cheesed off with 8 years of pay freezes whilst the cost of living increases year on year.

There is a deficit to pay for but it seems that the easy targets are the public sector workers. And now talk of banning strike action if certain parameters aren't met by the voting, which strangely is much more than was needed for any of the Tory ministers to got elected at the last election.

But hey easy targets and all that.

Not many teaching or firefighting jobs are available in the private sector.

I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life

Bang on mate!

[Grandfather Berty of Cleck]

Jul 10, 2014 10:57:36 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Or that being a firefighter is such a dangerous job that they should retire in their early 50's. Actually, being a HGV driver is statistically more dangerous, so that argument is null too.

Given the choice of a fire fighter delivering my groceries from tesco,
or an hgv driver saving me from a burning building,
I know what I'd choose.

[ram]

Not to mention that when they do retire mid 50,s with a good pension,they then can apply for any vacant jobs available,thus depriving the unemployed that opportunity.And many do!

[jasonhand]

Having worked in the private sector all my working life and also not having a payrise up until a few months ago for a number of years part of me can understand why many people like myself feel a lot of negativity to this strike action.

But to single out firefighters and to a less extent teachers is wrong and calling them tw*ts is ludicrous.

Lets take firefighters for example. I would suggest this isn’t just a living but its also who you are. I don’t think its relevant what the statistics are in regards to having my life saved by a firefighters. It’s the fact that these people are prepared to put their lives at risk to save other people. If the firefighters now feel that strongly then I support their industrial action.

Teachers and their support staff also do amazing work and these are the people who are educating our future. We have Michael Gove banging on how we need to improve levels of teaching in schools. By giving pay freezes year on year, this isn’t going to motivate the best people to become teachers and it will also have the best teachers leaving the profession to something else.

As one of the posters said there’s isn’t a lot on offer for firefighters in the private sector and do we want our best teachers moving to the private sector?

As a country can we really have pay freeze after pay free year on year? We need people to have cash in their pocket so they can start spending again, once people start spending again then people who work in the private sector will find the businesses who they work for will see their figures improve which then will mean more for us all

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Jul 10, 2014 11:05:04 GMT 1 ram said:

Not to mention that when they do retire mid 50,s with a good pension,they then can apply for any vacant jobs available,thus depriving the unemployed that opportunity.And many do!

raise their retirement age to the same as everyone else.

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Jul 10, 2014 10:59:36 GMT 1 supernovak said:

Public sector work = Safer but less rewards

What less rewards like only having to work 195 days out of 365, like teachers do? Or the other lesser rewards such as far better pensions, 6 months full paid sick leave a year that the public sector get?

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Jul 10, 2014 11:02:12 GMT 1 Grandfather Berty of Cleck said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:57:36 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Or that being a firefighter is such a dangerous job that they should retire in their early 50's. Actually, being a HGV driver is statistically more dangerous, so that argument is null too.

Given the choice of an fire fighter delivering my groceries from tesco,
or an hgv driver saving me from a burning building,
I know what I'd choose.

But only a teacher would alert you in advance to keep away from the back end of a donkey.

[Deleted]

Jul 10, 2014 11:02:12 GMT 1 Grandfather Berty of Cleck said:

Given the choice of an fire fighter delivering my groceries from tesco,
or an hgv driver saving me from a burning building,
I know what I'd choose.

How is that relevant? Being a fire fighter doesn't even count in the top 10 of dangerous jobs. Fishing, Agriculture, Construction, Commercial driving, and Oil rigging are all statistically more dangerous. The "Hero" roll wears a bit thin after a while especially when the unions start spreading propaganda around social media sites, trying to gain support for their hard done by hero fire fighters.

[galpharm2400]

its not what you do on a daily/hourly basis.. its what you may have to do. firefighters are expected to do things that others are not, in fact its a disciplinary offence if you don't, same with the police.

I have heard all the bull about "well they knew the score when they joined etc", ok great, they also knew the pay/conditions and pension rights , the c-nts who run this country(whatever colour of govt) cant have it both fucking ways.

at no point may your life depend on wether a 60 year old brickie is both quick enough and strong enough or trained well enough.

the one point is that we can certainly get on well enough with less firefighters, that fact has been proved over the last 5 years, its not even an issue anymore.

Pension REFORM, marvellous comment, it just means people who have already made what actually is a legally binding agreement with the govt have those agreements changed and cannot go to law to fight them as the govt then changed the law on that???

Like I said why don't the whole country go to their councils and say, "sorry, times are hard im now going to pay half the council tax, because I cant afford anymore go fuck yourselves".. Nip round the bank or mortgage lender and tell them the same "not my fault, we are all in this together and as such, you will now get half what I agreed with you, Im changing the fucking rules same as the government are"..

By the way a gold plated pension for someone on the bottom rate of pay is probably the only way you would have ever got people to do this job. Never mind, we can now pay even less in wages and virtually nothing in pensions to people coming here to work, at what point will that ever sort out the problems in this over populated Island?. If we can ever appreciate the fact that we actually need people to do these jobs and we need them to feel appreciated and valued as much as people in 'higher paid' occupations we might move on a bit.

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Jul 10, 2014 10:05:59 GMT 1 alex said:

Fire men on strike again.... when do they ever not strike? Teachers moaning... If I don't like my terms and conditions I will get another job, I suggest you moaning shits either do the same or be glad you are working.

Tell you what Alex why don't you pop yourself down to our picket today at Huddersfield fire station and air your views taking into account both sides of the story rather than hiding behind an avatar on here calling us twats...

Thought not

[Essex Terrier]

Why is working to 68 OK for bricklayers, dustmen, parking attendants etc but "too hard" for fecking teachers?

Is that the same "too hard" for working a full day or having 6 weeks off in summer?

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Jul 10, 2014 10:09:47 GMT 1 barnsleydaz said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:05:59 GMT 1 alex said:

Fire men on strike again.... when do they ever not strike? Teachers moaning... If I don't like my terms and conditions I will get another job, I suggest you moaning shits either do the same or be glad you are working.

Agreed, I haven't been given a pay rise in the last 5 years, but my salary has increased. Why, because I get off my arse and move. Its the only way.

We have taken a pay CUT for the last 3 years since they increased our pensions by 3%

I

[jasonhand]

Jul 10, 2014 11:14:58 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Jul 10, 2014 11:02:12 GMT 1 Grandfather Berty of Cleck said:

Given the choice of an fire fighter delivering my groceries from tesco,
or an hgv driver saving me from a burning building,
I know what I'd choose.

How is that relevant? Being a fire fighter doesn't even count in the top 10 of dangerous jobs. Fishing, Agriculture, Construction, Commercial driving, and Oil rigging are all statistically more dangerous. The "Hero" roll wears a bit thin after a while especially when the unions start spreading propaganda around social media sites, trying to gain support for their hard done by hero fire fighters.

Ok then lets not have a fire service. So when people have a road accident on the motorway and need cutting out of their burning vehicle lets all get our swiss army knives out and do it ourselves.

Or lets call Captain Birdseye out to put out a warehouse fire in Barnsley because it will be a walk in the park for him.

Too many people in this country bothered about what other people get rather than actually concentrating on their own lives

[alex]

Jul 10, 2014 10:53:27 GMT 1 wasp said:

If it wasn't for people like me you would live in a 3rd world country you stupid fuckwit!

I took on my job happy with the terms and conditions, but then they decided to change it at their own free will, doubling my workload. If it was up to me it would be an indefinate strike and c**** like you could live in a 3rd world state of a shithole, rest assured you'd complain about the filth, rats and maggots!

Ok, are you the Commissar of the Bin Men? I will swear and shout, it makes my opinion more vallid. (not). Only 23% of pupblic sector workers even bothered to vote, that's how lazy and inefficiant they are. If the a Fireman's house burns down, will he break the strike? Jusk asking....

[Tez]

Jul 10, 2014 11:14:58 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Jul 10, 2014 11:02:12 GMT 1 Grandfather Berty of Cleck said:

Given the choice of an fire fighter delivering my groceries from tesco,
or an hgv driver saving me from a burning building,
I know what I'd choose.

How is that relevant? Being a fire fighter doesn't even count in the top 10 of dangerous jobs. Fishing, Agriculture, Construction, Commercial driving, and Oil rigging are all statistically more dangerous. The "Hero" roll wears a bit thin after a while especially when the unions start spreading propaganda around social media sites, trying to gain support for their hard done by hero fire fighters.

My dad is a firefighter (who retires this September) and some of the 'jobs' he has had to go to I myself don't feel I could do them. The burning buildings are part and parcel of the job sure but one in a chemical factory with exploding flammable barrels of liquid aint that pretty, luckily none of those there to fight the fire lost their lives or were badly injured.
It isn't just fires though they attend RTI's (Road traffic incidents) some of those where they have to cut and free people crumpled up to nothing is also disturbing when not all of them are alive.
It is a dangerous job but one that psychologically you have to switch off totally otherwise you'd take it home and it'd affect your home life.

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Jul 10, 2014 10:59:38 GMT 1 wasp said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:57:36 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Times are changing, people now live a lot longer so old style pensions have become unaffordable. Unions expect their members to be immune from change, where everyone else just has to deal with it.

An average private sector worker will work for 50 plus years and spend around 15 years in retirement, contrast this with a firefighter who can spend more years in retirement than actually spent working and the reason for pension reform becomes quite obvious.

The usual tripe gets reeled out by the unions..... That it would be dangerous to do a physical job where you can't retire until you're 60..... really? try telling a brick layer or a scaffolder that!

Or that being a firefighter is such a dangerous job that they should retire in their early 50's. Actually, being a HGV driver is statistically more dangerous, so that argument is null too.

A bricklayer stands still to lay bricks, it's the labourer that does the graft

You go bricklaying for a week, guarantee you don't stand still laying bricks to earn any kind of half decent living.

[Grandfather Berty of Cleck]

Jul 10, 2014 11:10:35 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:59:36 GMT 1 supernovak said:

Public sector work = Safer but less rewards

What less rewards like only having to work 195 days out of 365, like teachers do? Or the other lesser rewards such as far better pensions, 6 months full paid sick leave a year that the public sector get?

You seem to think that teachers don't work, when the kids are on holiday?

I would argue that the private sector workers deserve BETTER pension schemes,
not that public sector workers deserve worse.
All the MP's have made sure THEIR pension schemes have not been hit.
Despite many of them having more money than everyone on DATM will ever see.
The very rich keep their heating allowance, tv licences and bus passes etc,
while people looking after our young and elderly earn £6 an hour.

[Doc Halladay 32]

Jul 10, 2014 11:10:35 GMT 1 @marcusd said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:59:36 GMT 1 supernovak said:

Public sector work = Safer but less rewards

What less rewards like only having to work 195 days out of 365, like teachers do? Or the other lesser rewards such as far better pensions, 6 months full paid sick leave a year that the public sector get?

I guess you've never planned a school lesson in your life, or indeed marked homework either. If you want to categorise a teaching job as time spent in the classroom then fine, they have the easiest profession in Britain.

There are many jobs in life that can be left at the workplace, but Teaching is one that I can testify is not. I put more 'time and effort' into teaching than any other job I've had in my life but hey ho they get lots of holidays so they are bound to have it easy I went into teaching after spending 15 years in the private sector, regularly working 6 day weeks with only 4 weeks holiday.

[Essex Terrier]

Jul 10, 2014 11:26:10 GMT 1 leptonterrier said:

Jul 10, 2014 10:59:38 GMT 1 wasp said:

A bricklayer stands still to lay bricks, it's the labourer that does the graft

You go bricklaying for a week, guarantee you don't stand still laying bricks to earn any kind of half decent living.

You don't sit with your arse in a chair in a nice warm, safe environment all day either

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Jul 10, 2014 11:21:01 GMT 1 jasonhand said:

Ok then lets not have a fire service. So when people have a road accident on the motorway and need cutting out of their burning vehicle lets all get our swiss army knives out and do it ourselves.

Or lets call Captain Birdseye out to put out a warehouse fire in Barnsley because it will be a walk in the park for him.

Too many people in this country bothered about what other people get rather than actually concentrating on their own lives

And how is this relevant? Nobody is saying we shouldn't have a fire service or that Tesco delivery drivers should do it.

What most people against the Fire Brigade Union's demands are saying, is that they need to get real and accept that people are living longer and remaining healthier to a later age. As a country we need to adapt to this and nobody, Union protected or not, should be immune from these changes.

The current system is becoming more and more unaffordable and unrealistic.