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Post by alex on Jul 10, 2014 10:05:59 GMT 1
Fire men on strike again.... when do they ever not strike? Teachers moaning... If I don't like my terms and conditions I will get another job, I suggest you moaning shits either do the same or be glad you are working.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 10, 2014 10:08:49 GMT 1
No idea have you Alex.
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Post by barnsleydaz on Jul 10, 2014 10:09:47 GMT 1
Fire men on strike again.... when do they ever not strike? Teachers moaning... If I don't like my terms and conditions I will get another job, I suggest you moaning shits either do the same or be glad you are working. Agreed, I haven't been given a pay rise in the last 5 years, but my salary has increased. Why, because I get off my arse and move. Its the only way. |
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Post by barnsleydaz on Jul 10, 2014 10:11:58 GMT 1
Sorry, its Public Sector workers that have no idea how the real world works. No offence. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 10, 2014 10:12:00 GMT 1
f*** you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:12:22 GMT 1
aww poor loves having to strike because they're not getting payed enough.
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Post by alex on Jul 10, 2014 10:13:43 GMT 1
Erm... Yes, I think I do...I have been working in welfare to work for the last 15 years (I have worked with thousands of unemployed people), and have a Degree in politics.... and I work my arse off, and even though I got paid on the last day of the month I have £47.00 in my current account. We all make our own choices, either suck it up like the rest of us, or shut up. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 10, 2014 10:14:28 GMT 1
Hmmm Government froze pay for the last 4 years, with another 4 years pay freeze being suggested by the Tories. I wonder how many private sectors workers wouldn't be cheesed off with 8 years of pay freezes whilst the cost of living increases year on year. There is a deficit to pay for but it seems that the easy targets are the public sector workers. And now talk of banning strike action if certain parameters aren't met by the voting, which strangely is much more than was needed for any of the Tory ministers to got elected at the last election. But hey easy targets and all that. Not many teaching or firefighting jobs are available in the private sector. I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life  |
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Post by barnsleydaz on Jul 10, 2014 10:15:11 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 10, 2014 10:21:33 GMT 1
never been able to 'withdraw my labour'. What is pissing me off is that the government want to change the rules/contracts that they agreed to with sections of the workforce. Instead of changing the rules for all new starters in those jobs which is what they should be doing they are using the excuse that they and the financial services sector made such a bollox of everything, that now they will changing agreements signed years and years ago and changing pension rights etc. Ok the world situation has changed, why cant everyone who took out a loan/mortgage years ago now go back to their lenders and say "given the world financial situation, I can no longer pay the AGREED sum and therefore I will be paying significantly less and if there is a shortfall, no matter how large, its tough shit on you, you will have to stand it".  ?? Lets make it fair, eh? see how those fuckers like it.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:23:12 GMT 1
It's a subject worthy of debate, and the op has a point.
The socialists won't like it though.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 10, 2014 10:23:14 GMT 1
Sorry, its Public Sector workers that have no idea how the real world works. No offence. Having worked in both, I don't begrudge the public sector striking for a fair pay. For decades private sector jobs were far better paid than public sector jobs. The one thing that public sector workers had was a good pension scheme. Now that the country has had some hard times, and the private sector has been brought down to a lower level, they are bleating why public workers should strike for a fair wage. The public sector workers went 4 years without a pay rise, and then last year got 1%. The very low paid workers are now really struggling, and it is to get these workers a fair pay rise that many are striking today. On top of that, their pension schemes are now being reduced. The private sector workers then bleat, why should public sector workers have a good pension scheme when I haven't. The firemen are a different case. That is to do with work rotas and retirement ages I think. |
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Post by alex on Jul 10, 2014 10:23:36 GMT 1
Hmmm Government froze pay for the last 4 years, with another 4 years pay freeze being suggested by the Tories. I wonder how many private sectors workers wouldn't be cheesed off with 8 years of pay freezes whilst the cost of living increases year on year. There is a deficit to pay for but it seems that the easy targets are the public sector workers. And now talk of banning strike action if certain parameters aren't met by the voting, which strangely is much more than was needed for any of the Tory ministers to got elected at the last election. But hey easy targets and all that. Not many teaching or firefighting jobs are available in the private sector. I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life There is more chance of a poorly educated working class lad getting shot at for £300 quid a week, who would not dream of going on strike, fighting in a war that he knows f8Uk all about. There is statistically more chance of me being kicked to death by a donkey than having my life saved by a fireman, that's a fact, (if they are not striking that day). Or begging for money in the main road. |
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Post by Larry David on Jul 10, 2014 10:25:30 GMT 1
Fire men on strike again.... when do they ever not strike? Teachers moaning... If I don't like my terms and conditions I will get another job, I suggest you moaning shits either do the same or be glad you are working. Dickhead alert! |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 10, 2014 10:26:27 GMT 1
Hmmm Government froze pay for the last 4 years, with another 4 years pay freeze being suggested by the Tories. I wonder how many private sectors workers wouldn't be cheesed off with 8 years of pay freezes whilst the cost of living increases year on year. There is a deficit to pay for but it seems that the easy targets are the public sector workers. And now talk of banning strike action if certain parameters aren't met by the voting, which strangely is much more than was needed for any of the Tory ministers to got elected at the last election. But hey easy targets and all that. Not many teaching or firefighting jobs are available in the private sector. I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life There is more chance of a poorly educated working class lad getting shot at for £300 quid a week, who would not dream of going on strike, fighting in a war that he knows f8Uk all about. There is statistically more chance of me being kicked to death by a donkey than having my life saved by a fireman, that's a fact, (if they are not striking that day). Or begging for money in the main road. Let's do away with the fire service then because statistically it would appear they are not needed  In fact retrain them as donkey whisperers as that would save more lives apparently  |
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Post by hepworthtownfan on Jul 10, 2014 10:28:24 GMT 1
Deficit.....we aint seen nothing yet......years of pain still to come before public finances get back under control.....Gordon Brown squandering BIG money we didn't have.
Gold plated pensions for the publicly employed masses - no more
Wonderful free NHS - no more
free schooling - no more
Welfare - no more
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 10, 2014 10:29:07 GMT 1
Yet you were quite happy for good honest working people to be called "twats" F*** you too Vive Le moaner  |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 10, 2014 10:29:34 GMT 1
Guaranteed 12 pager.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 10, 2014 10:32:00 GMT 1
Deficit.....we aint seen nothing yet......years of pain still to come before public finances get back under control.....Gordon Brown squandering BIG money we didn't have. Gold plated pensions for the publicly employed masses - no more Wonderful free NHS - no more free schooling - no more Welfare - no more I'd be inclined to agree with your blame of Brown if the gravy train started or indeed stopped (which it still hasn't yet with a certain section of society) But hey lets make it political and blame someone who left office 4 years ago. The problem lies with all UK governments when it comes to spending cash they just do it in different ways. |
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Post by I have a box full of hats on Jul 10, 2014 10:32:06 GMT 1
I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life There is more chance of a poorly educated working class lad getting shot at for £300 quid a week, who would not dream of going on strike, fighting in a war that he knows f8Uk all about. There is statistically more chance of me being kicked to death by a donkey than having my life saved by a fireman, that's a fact, (if they are not striking that day). Or begging for money in the main road. No there's not |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:32:12 GMT 1
People are generally paid what they're worth. If you've got a niche skill then you will be rewarded
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:34:44 GMT 1
With Carbon Taxes on the way and more and more money being required to fund the EU dictatorship, you might as get used to the idea of being returned to serfdom.
Cultural Marxism begins with 'cult' for good reason.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 10, 2014 10:35:01 GMT 1
Hmmm Government froze pay for the last 4 years, with another 4 years pay freeze being suggested by the Tories. I wonder how many private sectors workers wouldn't be cheesed off with 8 years of pay freezes whilst the cost of living increases year on year.There is a deficit to pay for but it seems that the easy targets are the public sector workers. And now talk of banning strike action if certain parameters aren't met by the voting, which strangely is much more than was needed for any of the Tory ministers to got elected at the last election. But hey easy targets and all that. Not many teaching or firefighting jobs are available in the private sector. I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life Wife work's in the private sector and she's had 4 years of no pay increase. In fact 2 year's ago the company had to cut the wage bill across the board by 10%. She just got on with it. Having worked in the public sector for 23 years, I never realised how lucky I was. |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 10, 2014 10:39:25 GMT 1
Hmmm Government froze pay for the last 4 years, with another 4 years pay freeze being suggested by the Tories. I wonder how many private sectors workers wouldn't be cheesed off with 8 years of pay freezes whilst the cost of living increases year on year.There is a deficit to pay for but it seems that the easy targets are the public sector workers. And now talk of banning strike action if certain parameters aren't met by the voting, which strangely is much more than was needed for any of the Tory ministers to got elected at the last election. But hey easy targets and all that. Not many teaching or firefighting jobs are available in the private sector. I seriously hope you don't find yourself in a burning building one day and reliant on these said T**ts to save your life Wife work's in the private sector and she's had 4 years of no pay increase. In fact 2 year's ago the company had to cut the wage bill across the board by 10%. She just got on with it. Having worked in the public sector for 23 years, I never realised how lucky I was. Same here. At the height of the recession we agreed to a 20% pay cut to keep our company going. We only got back up to our previous salaries when we were taken over by a Canadian company last year. To say that private sector workers don't know what it is like to have pay freezes/cuts is ill informed and lazy bullshit. |
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Post by OldRastrickian on Jul 10, 2014 10:41:48 GMT 1
Whilst sympathising with the individuals concerned, the government is right to prolong this wage freeze (which has in any event only applied to some, not all, employees). Public expenditure is still out of control, in spite of "cuts" and "austerity". The public sector is still over-rewarded in relation to the private sector. The estimate for the current taxpayer-liability for (unfunded) public sector pensions recently passed the £5 TRILLION mark.....basically paying people to do nothing.
It is the private sector employee who has borne the brunt of the effects of mass immigration....in many areas, this has apparently forced pay down by 15%. The minimum wage is barely enforced, allowing many private sector employers to abuse the system (but not in the public sector, of course).
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 10, 2014 10:42:49 GMT 1
Wife work's in the private sector and she's had 4 years of no pay increase. In fact 2 year's ago the company had to cut the wage bill across the board by 10%. She just got on with it. Having worked in the public sector for 23 years, I never realised how lucky I was. Same here. At the height of the recession we agreed to a 20% pay cut to keep our company going. We only got back up to our previous salaries when we were taken over by a Canadian company last year. To say that private sector workers don't know what it is like to have pay freezes/cuts is ill informed and lazy bullshit.Spacehardware If you reread my post which was quoted I think you'll find that it was never suggested that was the case. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 10, 2014 10:43:08 GMT 1
People are generally paid what they're worth. If you've got a niche skill then you will be rewarded Generally, but not always. As an electrician, I was far better paid in the private sector, but could get a better pension scheme in the public sector. After paying into my pension scheme for over 20 years, the government are now changing the scheme to bring my final pension payments down. Then government will say, why should he get a good pension, when other people dont. It's like a race to the bottom with this lot. They try to divide people. First they try to get working people to hate those on benefits. Then they try to divide working people. It's what the tories do. |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 10, 2014 10:44:03 GMT 1
Same here. At the height of the recession we agreed to a 20% pay cut to keep our company going. We only got back up to our previous salaries when we were taken over by a Canadian company last year. To say that private sector workers don't know what it is like to have pay freezes/cuts is ill informed and lazy bullshit.Spacehardware If you reread my post which was quoted I think you'll find that it was never suggested that was the case. No, you are right, no offence intended to you. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 10, 2014 10:44:05 GMT 1
One man's wage increase is another man's price increase.  |
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Post by alex on Jul 10, 2014 10:45:15 GMT 1
Wife work's in the private sector and she's had 4 years of no pay increase. In fact 2 year's ago the company had to cut the wage bill across the board by 10%. She just got on with it. Having worked in the public sector for 23 years, I never realised how lucky I was. Same here. At the height of the recession we agreed to a 20% pay cut to keep our company going. We only got back up to our previous salaries when we were taken over by a Canadian company last year. To say that private sector workers don't know what it is like to have pay freezes/cuts is ill informed and lazy bullshit. Puplic sector workers are being asked to justify their wages in terms of worth and performace, and some of them have been found wanting; 'normal' people have had to live with this for years. And the Fireman Hero bollocks really pisses me off, it's a choice they make, yes, the risks are there there, but no one FORCES them to do the job. |
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