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Post by rjn2000 on Aug 5, 2014 13:18:24 GMT 1
Clayton to Boro - he is there having his medical now according to a Boro supporting bloke at work who has a contact at the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:18:47 GMT 1
IF Clayton is sold for an est. 2 mil and Robins is allowed to bring in replacement plus 1 or 2 others, does anybody on here believe he would make the right choice of player/players. At this present time if it was my money I would think twice before sanctioning anything. Given that DH is his boss and employs him to be the manager then I can't imagine why you'd withhold funds to make purchases when we need them and the window closes in less than a month. If DH doesn't have faith in Robins then he should sack him, otherwise he should and IMO will back him with the necessary funds. It's DH's club and money to do with as he sees fit. If DH doesn't allow Robins to make purchases whilst not firing him then IMO he will be more culpable than Robins for any failing early this season. I agree with your response Doc but for me I don't believe Robins looks at players that fit in with his tactics. His rigid way of setting us up means he requires a specific type of player. BUT, lets say he bought GMS he would expect him to become a wing back. Strange
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Post by 007Berlin on Aug 5, 2014 13:19:29 GMT 1
Looks like boro have agreed terms with town 1.5m rising to 2m
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Post by ColchTerrier on Aug 5, 2014 13:22:51 GMT 1
Finally, it's nearly over.
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 5, 2014 13:24:25 GMT 1
Im not going through my role in the newsnetwork again. One sugar, ta.
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Post by rantinray on Aug 5, 2014 13:30:50 GMT 1
Finally, it's nearly over. Ans so am I. Anyone know what is truly happening at Town? Selling our better players is not going forwards to my way of thinking. No replacement and no signings of any worth or quality amounts to stagnation. Five year plan, dont make me laugh I have heard all that crap time and time again from other clubs. Going down this season if players are not sought to strengthen a struggling team. If the Clayton deal is/has gone through it seriously makes me wonder in which direction DH sees our club going? All answers on a post card to HTFC.
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Post by whiteroseofhudds on Aug 5, 2014 13:32:45 GMT 1
One player does not make a team...
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Post by artysid on Aug 5, 2014 13:38:14 GMT 1
One player does not make a team... TBH it's not unknown for Teams to sell their best players and then improve.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 5, 2014 13:38:53 GMT 1
One player does not make a team... Way some on here talk you'd think we have to play with 10 men once we sell Clayton
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 5, 2014 13:39:06 GMT 1
Tried so hard to be positive this pre season but its hard to do so when you've sold your best player four days before the start of the season. I really hope we re-invest the money and not keep it as profit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:40:08 GMT 1
As a selling club, why do folk presume we will use any of the fee for actually buying players? Not a dig but an observation that the sales of Rhodes, Pilks and Hunt weren't followed by us actually buying replacements.
I see very little correlation between selling players for hard cash and replacing them with fees paid.
More likely is that we will invest in longterm targets as we have (Lolley, Wells etc) and any incoming fees purely service the debt a little.
I see very little chance of Clayton's sale being followed in the next 48hrs by Robins flashing the chequebook around.
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Post by bridgeterrier on Aug 5, 2014 13:40:37 GMT 1
Let's see how move in the transfer market now we have the money available to invest in the team
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 5, 2014 13:41:23 GMT 1
Spanked their bare bottoms on this one. Well done everybody for "bulling him up" and making him a £2 million player with only a year to go on his contract. I was getting worried for a minute thinking he may run his contract down.
Looks as though we may have to spend another £300,000 to replace him!
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Post by bridgeterrier on Aug 5, 2014 13:42:08 GMT 1
As a selling club, why do folk presume we will use any of the fee for actually buying players? Not a dig but an observation that the sales of Rhodes, Pilks and Hunt weren't followed by us actually buying replacements. I see very little correlation between selling players for hard cash and replacing them with fees paid. More likely is that we will invest in longterm targets as we have (Lolley, Wells etc) and any incoming fees purely service the debt a little. I see very little chance of Clayton's sale being followed in the next 48hrs by Robins flashing the chequebook around. Rhodes- Vaughan,Beckford Pilkington- Danny Ward Ok, you've got me on Jack Hunt
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:49:25 GMT 1
All 3 came in on loan, 2 were signed permenantly at a later date. I wouldn't say they were as a reaction to the sales, more as longterm targets with potential to increase their value.
JV was loaned in before Rhodes left, similarly Majewski has been before Clayton. Replacements or planned to play together and then left to do the job alone?
My point being, unlike when Booth was sold and the money immediately spent on Stewart, Jock and Payton, I don't think the turnaround will be so apparent immediately. I doubt we will pay any money to bring in a 'Clayton replacement' imminently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:50:07 GMT 1
As a selling club, why do folk presume we will use any of the fee for actually buying players? Not a dig but an observation that the sales of Rhodes, Pilks and Hunt weren't followed by us actually buying replacements. I see very little correlation between selling players for hard cash and replacing them with fees paid. More likely is that we will invest in longterm targets as we have (Lolley, Wells etc) and any incoming fees purely service the debt a little. I see very little chance of Clayton's sale being followed in the next 48hrs by Robins flashing the chequebook around. Hoyle has gone on record many times with words to that effect. As soon as you sell someone then all prices are hiked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:52:55 GMT 1
As a selling club, why do folk presume we will use any of the fee for actually buying players? Not a dig but an observation that the sales of Rhodes, Pilks and Hunt weren't followed by us actually buying replacements. I see very little correlation between selling players for hard cash and replacing them with fees paid. More likely is that we will invest in longterm targets as we have (Lolley, Wells etc) and any incoming fees purely service the debt a little. I see very little chance of Clayton's sale being followed in the next 48hrs by Robins flashing the chequebook around. Hoyle has gone on record many times with words to that effect. As soon as you sell someone then all prices are hiked. Good. So hopefully we won't have to endure any 'lack of ambition' nonsense for not spaffing £1m+ on a panic buy replacement.
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Post by rantinray on Aug 5, 2014 13:55:42 GMT 1
One player does not make a team... Out of the mouths of? How many times have we heard that? Who is replacing this "One man does not make a team player"? You dont know? I feel neither do HTFC. Selling your best players shows to me the clubs intent. Being unable to attract players is also a good indicator of where players think our club is going. We shall wait and see but things to me do not look good. We have had two poor seasons whats the betting for a third?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:57:50 GMT 1
One player does not make a team... No, but last year's Player of the Year would be the biggest loss to the team though.
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Post by bridgeterrier on Aug 5, 2014 14:00:20 GMT 1
All 3 came in on loan, 2 were signed permenantly at a later date. I wouldn't say they were as a reaction to the sales, more as longterm targets with potential to increase their value. JV was loaned in before Rhodes left, similarly Majewski has been before Clayton. Replacements or planned to play together and then left to do the job alone? My point being, unlike when Booth was sold and the money immediately spent on Stewart, Jock and Payton, I don't think the turnaround will be so apparent immediately. I doubt we will pay any money to bring in a 'Clayton replacement' imminently. I get what you're saying, I think this sale will enable us to go out and finance 2/3 targets that were slightly out of our league under FFP rules before this deal went through.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2014 14:05:01 GMT 1
One player does not make a team... Out of the mouths of? How many times have we heard that? Who is replacing this "One man does not make a team player"? You dont know? I feel neither do HTFC. Selling your best players shows to me the clubs intent. Being unable to attract players is also a good indicator of where players think our club is going. We shall wait and see but things to me do not look good. We have had two poor seasons whats the betting for a third? Maximising the profit on a player who at his best last season wasn't able to lift us to midtable when he would only be here one more year is great business sense and one that allows the club to buy players who can help for longer than that e.g the 4.5 year deal that Wells signed in January. Why try to build around a player who will leave in 12 months time? Those that want to see negativity can find it at every turn. If we had kept Clayton and he left 12 months down the line I guarantee many moaners on here would have said that we should have sold him when we had the chance. Keeping Clayton IMO will not be the difference between relegation or not this season.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 5, 2014 14:07:23 GMT 1
we cant afford to turn down 2 Million for a player who will walk for nothing in a years time. That is just bad business , and whether we like it or not HTAFC is a business that has to balance books first and then wonder about league position second. I know there is the counter argument that a high finish will yield more cash, but the players required to achieve that cost money. DH has more business acumen than all of us put together. We may never get to the PL - but we will not do a Portsmouth either and almost slip in to obscurity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:09:44 GMT 1
Was gutted to see Pilks and Rhodes go, with Clayton I'm almost as indifferent as I was when Hunt left last summer.
The only thing that bothers me about it is seeing people on here and Twitter throw a paddy because we're having to live within our means.
Looking forward to the 'lack of ambition' posts when we haven't signed Chris Wood by ten o'clock tomorrow morning.
(This all depends on the Clayton rumour actually being true...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:11:15 GMT 1
Do we actually know he is going? or are we just relying on rumours at the moment
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 5, 2014 14:14:45 GMT 1
Do we actually know he is going? or are we just relying on rumours at the moment Was just about to ask the same.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 5, 2014 14:15:01 GMT 1
IF Clayton is sold for an est. 2 mil and Robins is allowed to bring in replacement plus 1 or 2 others, does anybody on here believe he would make the right choice of player/players. At this present time if it was my money I would think twice before sanctioning anything. The players Robins signed failed to live up to his game plan as Town need quality to fulfil that.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Aug 5, 2014 14:15:06 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:15:15 GMT 1
Lets get it right, Clayton was the best of a bad bunch and that was only after Pato had twatted him. 2 Million. Great piece of business, as long as we find someone to replace him.
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Post by terriermcd on Aug 5, 2014 14:18:06 GMT 1
Well at 1000 this morning he was having his haircut in Cleckheaton. So had to be a quick trip up A1. Personally don't want him to leave good player,potential captain and I honestly believe he doesn't want to leave but like we all would if someone offers you more money and better conditions then you'd take it. Hoping that The club can reach an amicable agreement. Be sad to see him go under a dark cloud
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Post by buckers on Aug 5, 2014 14:18:22 GMT 1
Wish I'd never bought him that Jägerbomb in Toyko's now. Only kidding he was a nice bloke and I thought a decent player all the best Clayts
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