Disgrace

[onethreadposter]

DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares.

I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands.

Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. 

He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times.

I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two.

Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance.

[clarke's shoes]

I have to say, as someone that reads this board every single day intensely, I very rarely post. Some of what I read on here though is unbelievable.

I'm not sure what Hoyle has said this evening but now is the time to really get behind the club, club together and support the team.

This is the most important month since we got promoted a few years back, zero points after 3 games and we could easily fade away very quickly in what is a very competitive league.

Now is the time to show true support to our team....

[007Berlin]

I agree with OP but it's no different in a Carlisle or a Chelsea forum. As football fans we always want that bit extra. 1 more striker, just a bit extra here and there.

We've been spoilt by Dean Hoyle and people forget just how dog shit we were prior to him coming in.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Jesus, it's a football fans forum, where fans swap opinions, discuss games and what not have you, this is the fans domain, not the clubs. Like I said before, the club seem far far too interested in what the fans think and getting involved in dumb arguments on Twatter and Facebook than actually running the club.

[Up the Duff.]

This is a place for fans from all around the world to come together to discuss Town and not all are in one camp or the other like you say.

I was very much behind Robins until the very end of last season and then I started to get concerned at what I was seeing. By the time we got to the season starting I was seriously worried as nothing had changed and the statement of 'we don't have the personnel for this formation' was quite staggering. Saturday comes and we play that formation again and to compound it further the team selection was quite bizarre.

I will support whoever is appointed as the next Town manager and he must be given time, however if in 12 months we have not improved and this ridiculous situation comes around again then I will voice my concerns on this forum and debate the issues in hand.

The people at the club should understand the purpose of this forum and not read it if they cannot take on board different views. They will never make everybody happy, even if we are in the top 3 !

This does not make me or others like me a Keyboard Warrior.

[Headless Chicken]

I agree that to some extent it does translate to the stands and create disconnect with the club and players, as much as they should realise the unconstructive poisoness ones are the 'vocal minority'. They'll likely be classless in whatever they do!

However, then putting us into two polar opposite brackets.........

The same sort of comprehension power and ability to make your point as the 'vocal minority'!

[3Pipe]

Thought this was going to be about too many repeat threads.

Seriously though, there's very little moderation goes on here and by very little I mean virtually zero. This has its plus points and its minuses. It's been covered a million times.

Football teams everywhere attract folk of all different levels of intelligence with all different viewpoints and we are no different.

If the players and management take everything that is typed on the internet to heart and allow it to affect their job then I suggest they show more fortitude than that.

The best thing to do if you don't like DATM is don't read the bloody thing, fans and footballers alike. Folk moan and moan about it but they still read it. I can never understand that.

[Deleted]

I wish I could be as popular and knowledgeable about football at this bloke. Although he does seem to struggle to grasp the concept of an internet forum

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Aug 13, 2014 7:40:40 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

I agree that to some extent it does translate to the stands and create disconnect with the club and players, as much as they should realise the unconstructive poisoness ones are the 'vocal minority'. They'll likely be classless in whatever they do!

However, then putting us into two polar opposite brackets.........

The same sort of comprehension power and ability to make your point as the 'vocal minority'!

It's not here where the poisonous comments are made. I've seen some of the crap written on Twatter and that Smile Awhile Facebook page (I use neither, before you ask). Some people do talk some nonesense on here but it never stoops to the level it does on the previously mentioned sites.

[benhomly]

Aug 13, 2014 4:05:09 GMT 1 onethreadposter said:

DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares.

I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands.

Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. 

He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times.

I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two.

Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance.

In your one post you are just as guilty of what you are criticising people on here for. His managerial appointments have not been woeful. Lee Clark brought us a high profile, good football for a while and a few great players to the club. And don't forget the unbeaten run . When it was clear it wasn't quite going to bring us promotion he brought Grayson in to achieveit, which he did. When it was clear we were sinking back to League 1 he brought in Robins to prevent it, which he did. What's woeful about any of those appointments is beyond me. So welcome to DATM fellow keyboard warrior.

[rocky]

Aug 13, 2014 4:05:09 GMT 1 onethreadposter said:

DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares.

I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands.

Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. 

He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times.

I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two.

Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance.

I'm not sure that the half of us who don't bitch & moan are up his arse, but your point that I've put in bold is central to all this negativity. Far too many people have forgotten about all the time in L1 & have no idea how difficult it is for Town in the Championship. DH has admitted making mistakes, but he's the reason we are where we are & he represents the best chance we have of staying there.

Whilst he was quite raw in that interview (which is understandable given what happened on Saturday & the fact that he was prepared to give MR more time), he shouldn't have to remind people what he's done for the club & how far he's brought us. 

[buckers]

Agree with the OP I'll have been guilty of some myself. We are all entitlted to a moan, but some of the drivel on here is beyond belief at times.

[Syran]

These threads make me chuckle.

Its as if Htafc is the only club with an internet forum that bitches about their club!

Every fans forum is the same!!!

Maybe other clubs main men don't read their respective fans forums which our main men should do the same.

[pstarbuckscoffee]

Aug 13, 2014 4:05:09 GMT 1 onethreadposter said:

Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan...

So if half of us are up Dean's arse - and half of us bitch and moan. Which half are you in??

Do you think that you are the wise oracle sitting in the middle, the voice of reason - the regal wise one?

Your OP is full of contradictions - part bitch, part happy clappy. So I reckon you are 'half chips, half rice' - but with a large feeling of self importance!

[Deleted]

Unfortunately as well as being a place for good, reasoned debate, this forum and social media are both places for the absolute dregs of society to voice their nonsensical opinions. I'm sure the club have no problem with people putting across an eloquent opinion of something that could be improved at the club, what I imagine they do have a problem with is people calling into question the personal integrity of people operating in the best interests of the club and repeatedly voicing opinions that make absolutely no sense.

I have said several times in the past that if I was Hoyle, I would be wondering whether it was worth it. He's only involved at Town because he's a fan who was pissed off with seeing us fail to compete in lower divisions and had the resources to sort it out. He's never claimed to be anything other than this and only took over Town as there was no other option. As a reluctant football owner, I can imagine it effects him greatly when his integrity is called into question, so when people ask repeatedly where finances from player sales have gone (for example), it's unsurprising that he is upset and pissed off.

The second thing thing that I'm sure winds the club up, is the usual suspects using social media as a stick to beat the club repeatedly and nonsensically. If you click on Tweets the club makes to see the replies, you will quickly identify a list of usual suspects who will be constantly having jabs at the club. "How about forgetting about partners and make some signings", "Ticket prices are too high" and "Stead is shit" are the kind of thing that you come across on there, after the club have tweeted about giving breakfasts to school children or something equally irrelevant to the replies!

For all the internet is amazing, it also gives people anonymity to voice opinions that they would be too afraid to tell someone directly. Last week, Vaughan responded to a Town fan who was joking about him being injured; I can't imagine that Town fan would have voiced the opinion to him in person, as it would have displayed a complete lack of social etiquette. Personally, I would never say something to someone on Twitter that I wouldn't be prepared to say to people in person. If others followed the same guideline, I can't imagine that the personal integrity of directors would be called into question so often, nor would I expect quite so many criticisms to be posted.

Edit - having said all this, I don't think it's a HTAFC problem, or even a football problem. It's a societal issue; people just look to bait public figures online. A lot of girls look at the Daily Mail gossip pages religiously and the comments always beggar belief... Here's a random story I've just got to act as an example, it's the first one I clicked on. Here's a gripping story about Lily Allen not wearing her engagement ring... Look at the comments.

[tockyterrier]

I agreed with almost everything DH
Said in his interview apart from one thing. I don't agree with booing the tan, a player or the manager, I have supported Robins on here and support everything DH is trying to do.

But, I cannot really argue with anyone who boo'd after Saturday's performance because the vast majority of players looked like they didn't want to be there.

Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards

[Deleted]

Aug 13, 2014 8:14:09 GMT 1 benhomly said:

Aug 13, 2014 4:05:09 GMT 1 onethreadposter said:

DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares.

I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands.

Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. 

He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times.

I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two.

Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance.

In your one post you are just as guilty of what you are criticising people on here for. His managerial appointments have not been woeful. Lee Clark brought us a high profile, good football for a while and a few great players to the club. And don't forget the unbeaten run . When it was clear it wasn't quite going to bring us promotion he brought Grayson in to achieveit, which he did. When it was clear we were sinking back to League 1 he brought in Robins to prevent it, which he did. What's woeful about any of those appointments is beyond me. So welcome to DATM fellow keyboard warrior.

I have to agree, the hypocrisy is breath taking.

[andy112]

Aug 13, 2014 4:05:09 GMT 1 onethreadposter said:

DATM is a forum

Aug 13, 2014 4:05:09 GMT 1 onethreadposter said:

Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan

Exactly it's a forum. A forum is a place for open discussion. Open discussion will lead to people have different opinions. So I don't really see what you're getting at?

You're acting as if DATM holds some sort of power as to what happens on the pitch and in the boardroom. What I do know is that a lot of good also comes from DATM, including the NSL and the Bailey Fund.

[Deleted]

This forum is much less of a problem than social media at the moment.

[Deleted]

He still needs to learn how to stop being a fan and start being an owner/chairman.

What would his response have been had he been served the kind of (deserved at times, not at others) vitriol that the previous owner had, which was aimed directly at him?!

As fans I think in spite of what has been said and written, we're actually pretty understanding, forgiving, lenient, and liberal (with a small L).

As a lad growing up at Town, I remember the "sack the board.." and "we want XXXXX OUT" chants, which as things went downhill would go onfor weeks before change (or a victory!), I remember being at an away game at Stoke with Chris Kamara holed up in the stadium and the Stoke fans raining rocks at the club such was their pent up anger, more recently I've seen Massimo Cellino trapped inside Elland Road, with a protest going on into the early hours.

What have we actually had at Town, deserved jeering on Saturday and a bit of gallows humour regarding Smithies with the "off, off, off" chant, none of which Dean even witnessed. Thats it. There wasnt a concerted "Robins out" demand last season (when it would have been fully justified), at the games there wasnt any "Grayson Out", and there wasnt any "Clark Out", and theres certainly not been any "sack the board" style chanting against Dean, Nigel or Ross.

This frank interview could hopefully be a bit of a watershed moment. These three characters arent "our friends" (unless theyre your friend of course!), theyre the current custodians of the club, and we need to start treating them like that and they need to start acting like that.

I THINK things are better today than they were yesterday. Fans need to keep on offering their opinions on here good or bad, and, AS WE DO, giving the team the opportunity to express itself on the football field (it was still relatively positive where i was at 2-0 down for what its worth). We're not animals, just because Crooks had a bad game, he wouldnt be booed before he touched the ball the next time he takes to a field....and guess what, that kind of thing DID used to regularly happen, with certain players roundly booed as the teams were read out.

Bit of a ramble and I've lost the point I was going to make. In summary, and whilst I think this IS the place for opinion from across the spectrum, and whilst my own opinion is that we as a club do quite a lot of things in the wrong way and I disagree with the approach, from now until Christmas* when posting on here I'm going to try and bear in mind what Dean said and see if it makes a difference.

My behaviour at a game will remain the same, I'll get behind the players, jeer what I think are ridiculous substituions, and moan at individual mistakes. I cant change that behaviour, I'm a fan.

*i need some leeway so I can call for the new managers head and decry the process that brought him here in the first place in the next transfer window!

[Deleted]

Aug 13, 2014 8:14:09 GMT 1 benhomly said:

Aug 13, 2014 4:05:09 GMT 1 onethreadposter said:

DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares.

I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands.

Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. 

He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times.

I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two.

Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance.

In your one post you are just as guilty of what you are criticising people on here for. His managerial appointments have not been woeful. Lee Clark brought us a high profile, good football for a while and a few great players to the club. And don't forget the unbeaten run . When it was clear it wasn't quite going to bring us promotion he brought Grayson in to achieveit, which he did. When it was clear we were sinking back to League 1 he brought in Robins to prevent it, which he did. What's woeful about any of those appointments is beyond me. So welcome to DATM fellow keyboard warrior.

This.

No chairman has monopoly on selecting brilliant managers and no chairman is successful again and again. It's not a science. Look at Dave whelan who made good appointments in Martinez and looks like Rosler, but made poor choices in Hutchins and Coyle.

Negativity and a sense of discontent amongst fans does seem to exist at our club and it does have an impact on the club and Dean's personal motivation.

All he's asked for is support for the new manager and made a rallying call for everyone to pull together and look forward.

[JerryG]

I've just listened to the Dean Hoyle interview and I fear the guy seems very close to calling it a day and to be honest I might feel the same if I'd spent £Millions on trying to improve the club that I love, only to feel my integrity is being called into question by some of the club's more vocal fans. Everyone has a right to an opinion obviously but at times it seems nothing short of becoming a top six Premiership Club in double quick time will satisfy some people. Of course we all want Town to do well but surely constant destructive comments and jibes would test the most patient man/woman.

I'm sure no one wants to knowingly press the self destruct button but I think Dean was actually saying that's the affect negativity has on the club managers and players. As I say, we're all entitled to our opinions but sometimes we have to accept that they can either be read/taken wrongly or have an adverse affect to the one that was intended. I'm not sure if he's referring to DATM when making comments he did but I do think it's something we should all think about.  

[3Pipe]

Aug 13, 2014 10:00:20 GMT 1 JerryG said:

I've just listened to the Dean Hoyle interview and I fear the guy seems very close to calling it a day and to be honest I might feel the same if I'd spent £Millions on trying to improve the club that I love, only to feel my integrity is being called into question by some of the club's more vocal fans. Everyone has a right to an opinion obviously but at times it seems nothing short of becoming a top six Premiership Club in double quick time will satisfy some people. Of course we all want Town to do well but surely constant destructive comments and jibes would test the most patient man/woman.

I'm sure no one wants to knowingly press the self destruct button but I think Dean was actually saying that's the affect negativity has on the club managers and players. As I say, we're all entitled to our opinions but sometimes we have to accept that they can either be read/taken wrongly or have an adverse affect to the one that was intended. I'm not sure if he's referring to DATM when making comments he did but I do think it's something we should all think about.  

What strikes me though is if the negative comments hit him so deeply, why haven't the positive ones?

He must know how much he is appreciated by the vast majority of fans.

[Deleted]

I'm sure they do 3 pipe but he doesn't need to use his influence/air time to try to quiet the positive voices, merely the more extreme dissenting ones.

He did talk of the noisy negative minority. He knows we're almost all behind him and club deep down.

[Deleted]

Aug 13, 2014 9:39:34 GMT 1 @fmuk said:

He still needs to learn how to stop being a fan and start being an owner/chairman.

What would his response have been had he been served the kind of (deserved at times, not at others) vitriol that the previous owner had, which was aimed directly at him?!

As fans I think in spite of what has been said and written, we're actually pretty understanding, forgiving, lenient, and liberal (with a small L).

As a lad growing up at Town, I remember the "sack the board.." and "we want XXXXX OUT" chants, which as things went downhill would go onfor weeks before change (or a victory!), I remember being at an away game at Stoke with Chris Kamara holed up in the stadium and the Stoke fans raining rocks at the club such was their pent up anger, more recently I've seen Massimo Cellino trapped inside Elland Road, with a protest going on into the early hours.

What have we actually had at Town, deserved jeering on Saturday and a bit of gallows humour regarding Smithies with the "off, off, off" chant, none of which Dean even witnessed. Thats it. There wasnt a concerted "Robins out" demand last season (when it would have been fully justified), at the games there wasnt any "Grayson Out", and there wasnt any "Clark Out", and theres certainly not been any "sack the board" style chanting against Dean, Nigel or Ross.

This frank interview could hopefully be a bit of a watershed moment. These three characters arent "our friends" (unless theyre your friend of course!), theyre the current custodians of the club, and we need to start treating them like that and they need to start acting like that.

I THINK things are better today than they were yesterday. Fans need to keep on offering their opinions on here good or bad, and, AS WE DO, giving the team the opportunity to express itself on the football field (it was still relatively positive where i was at 2-0 down for what its worth). We're not animals, just because Crooks had a bad game, he wouldnt be booed before he touched the ball the next time he takes to a field....and guess what, that kind of thing DID used to regularly happen, with certain players roundly booed as the teams were read out.

Bit of a ramble and I've lost the point I was going to make. In summary, and whilst I think this IS the place for opinion from across the spectrum, and whilst my own opinion is that we as a club do quite a lot of things in the wrong way and I disagree with the approach, from now until Christmas* when posting on here I'm going to try and bear in mind what Dean said and see if it makes a difference.

My behaviour at a game will remain the same, I'll get behind the players, jeer what I think are ridiculous substituions, and moan at individual mistakes. I cant change that behaviour, I'm a fan.

*i need some leeway so I can call for the new managers head and decry the process that brought him here in the first place in the next transfer window!

The day he stops being a fan is the day he puts the club up for sale. He's not spending millions each year to make a return. We as fans don't know all the facts a lot of the time. We need to have faith that he can make good decisions with all the information available to him.

I'm no sycophant, I felt Dean backed his first manager for far too long and voiced that on here many times but never at the ground. However, I understood his reasons and that he had more info on the entire situation & behind the scenes than I did.

I don't believe he's some sort of god like businessman either. I've been successful myself so I don't deify people that have made lots of money etc. I base my opinion on what dean says in public and in the couple of occasions I've met him. He's a calm, measured, thoughtful yet driven character and has and continued to do an excellent job running HTFC. Long my that continue and I think it will.

[andyeastleake]

Aug 13, 2014 8:58:48 GMT 1 ssh said:

what I imagine they do have a problem with is people calling into question the personal integrity of people operating in the best interests of the club and repeatedly voicing opinions that make absolutely no sense.

As a reluctant football owner, I can imagine it effects him greatly when his integrity is called into question, so when people ask repeatedly where finances from player sales have gone (for example), it's unsurprising that he is upset and pissed off.

You make your points eloquently and in a reasoned manner but I’m confused by a couple of points.

I follow DATM during the season (but generally not the Summer – so I may be missing something), posting on an irregular basis (at least over the last couple of years and certainly in comparison to some – TBH my posts over the last few years are likely to have been on betting threads or in the “off topic” section (baseball for example)).

I can’t comment on Twitter or other forms of social media but TBH I’m a bit surprised that there is anything on DATM that would get DH as upset as he appeared to be last night or that TBH would fall into the categories you’ve described

You mention the threads about the Jordan Rhodes money. However, even on those threads anyone implying DH was parsimonious with these funds was swiftly shouted down because it was clear to (almost) all that DH had invested this amount (and much more) into the club already. Accordingly I’d suggest he should see the threads as an indicator of the extent of his support rather than as any sort of issue.

You make reference to this forum being a problem (as did Mids on another thread). Could you outline the types of thread you mean, because TBH as far as this forum is concerned I’m struggling a little to see the problem is anything like as severe as was made out.

PS I’ll stress again I have no idea what Twitter is like. Smithfield Building states the problem is much worse on there than here. That may be the case but at present, you (& Mids & the OP) appear to be implying there is a significant problem on this Board as well and TBH I just don’t see it.

[Deleted]

I agree with several points on here.
However, I think that what a lot of posters on this forum fail to understand is the difference between REASONED DISCUSSION and SIMPLE ABUSE.
That is where it all goes down the pan at a rate of knots.

[mids]

Aug 13, 2014 10:26:39 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

Aug 13, 2014 8:58:48 GMT 1 ssh said:

what I imagine they do have a problem with is people calling into question the personal integrity of people operating in the best interests of the club and repeatedly voicing opinions that make absolutely no sense.

As a reluctant football owner, I can imagine it effects him greatly when his integrity is called into question, so when people ask repeatedly where finances from player sales have gone (for example), it's unsurprising that he is upset and pissed off.

You make your points eloquently and in a reasoned manner but I’m confused by a couple of points.

I follow DATM during the season (but generally not the Summer – so I may be missing something), posting on an irregular basis (at least over the last couple of years and certainly in comparison to some – TBH my posts over the last few years are likely to have been on betting threads or in the “off topic” section (baseball for example)).

I can’t comment on Twitter or other forms of social media but TBH I’m a bit surprised that there is anything on DATM that would get DH as upset as he appeared to be last night or that TBH would fall into the categories you’ve described

You mention the threads about the Jordan Rhodes money. However, even on those threads anyone implying DH was parsimonious with these funds was swiftly shouted down because it was clear to (almost) all that DH had invested this amount (and much more) into the club already. Accordingly I’d suggest he should see the threads as an indicator of the extent of his support rather than as any sort of issue.

You make reference to this forum being a problem (as did Mids on another thread). Could you outline the types of thread you mean, because TBH as far as this forum is concerned I’m struggling a little to see the problem is anything like as severe as was made out.

PS I’ll stress again I have no idea what Twitter is like. Smithfield Building states the problem is much worse on there than here. That may be the case but at present, you (& Mids & the OP) appear to be implying there is a significant problem on this Board as well and TBH I just don’t see it.

I'm not on twitter or facebook or anything like that so i can't comment on those aspects of the modern world...but I'm led to believe that the wittering on there can be a tad over zealous and inflammatory.

However, some of the posts on here verge on the ridiculous. Some fool the other day was insistent I am Dean and I should answer his convoluted questions. No wonder Dean's wound up if people think I'm him 

[alvimaka]

Dean should ignor some people on here if somebody kept sending me abusive text i would delete the number i read at lot on DATM but if its some person talkin bullshit i dont bother. Town won last night 5/3 good start for lillis lets be all posertive for a change next game cardiff onwards and upwards UTT

[alvimaka]

Dean should ignor some people on here if somebody kept sending me abusive text i would delete the number i read at lot on DATM but if its some person talkin bullshit i dont bother. Town won last night 5/3 good start for lillis lets be all posertive for a change next game cardiff onwards and upwards UTT