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Post by andyeastleake on Aug 13, 2014 10:52:38 GMT 1
Mids I can see how that might wind him up  but generally (& as 3pipe points out so well) as far as DH is concerned I'd suggest this board is significantly more positive than negative and I'm not sure what should be getting him so wound up. |
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Post by JerryG on Aug 13, 2014 10:55:21 GMT 1
I've just listened to the Dean Hoyle interview and I fear the guy seems very close to calling it a day and to be honest I might feel the same if I'd spent £Millions on trying to improve the club that I love, only to feel my integrity is being called into question by some of the club's more vocal fans. Everyone has a right to an opinion obviously but at times it seems nothing short of becoming a top six Premiership Club in double quick time will satisfy some people. Of course we all want Town to do well but surely constant destructive comments and jibes would test the most patient man/woman. I'm sure no one wants to knowingly press the self destruct button but I think Dean was actually saying that's the affect negativity has on the club managers and players. As I say, we're all entitled to our opinions but sometimes we have to accept that they can either be read/taken wrongly or have an adverse affect to the one that was intended. I'm not sure if he's referring to DATM when making comments he did but I do think it's something we should all think about.  What strikes me though is if the negative comments hit him so deeply, why haven't the positive ones? He must know how much he is appreciated by the vast majority of fans. Isn't it often the case though, that one mislaid negative comment can destroy a dozen positive ones? We seem to be heading towards a discussion about whether people should be allowed to say what they want or not! - Which isn't actually the point at all. Surely it's about being responsible as fans. I think Dean was saying that he acknowledges that people have opinions and he was saying how constantly negative comments can and does affect everyones morale. Clearly, Mark Robins felt so and while everyone knows it's a minority of fans who vocalise their frustrations after a while it gets to people. I can totally sympathise with that. There was a guy close to where it sat at the Bournemouth match ranting and raving at Robins as soon as the second goal went in and it sounded like there were plenty of others around the stadium. I'm not saying he didn't deserve criticism but sometimes it went over the top. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 13, 2014 10:57:14 GMT 1
DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares. I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands. Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times. I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two. Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance. I'm a strong supporter of the club and overall very happy with where we are and where we are going but I'm afraid that this is just a load of sanctimonious baloney. If Clibben's and Dean don't like being in the public eye then as a minimum they need to stop worrying about social media. Mr Clibben's unsubscribing from Twitter may be a good starting point. In an intense arena like supporting a football club every decision and word will be examined in minute detail via social media - its there - folk use it. If they crave 100% social media approval then I feel a bit sorry for them. They get enough pats on the back at all the meetings I've ever heard them speak at. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 11:01:01 GMT 1
He still needs to learn how to stop being a fan and start being an owner/chairman. What would his response have been had he been served the kind of (deserved at times, not at others) vitriol that the previous owner had, which was aimed directly at him?! As fans I think in spite of what has been said and written, we're actually pretty understanding, forgiving, lenient, and liberal (with a small L). As a lad growing up at Town, I remember the "sack the board.." and "we want XXXXX OUT" chants, which as things went downhill would go onfor weeks before change (or a victory!), I remember being at an away game at Stoke with Chris Kamara holed up in the stadium and the Stoke fans raining rocks at the club such was their pent up anger, more recently I've seen Massimo Cellino trapped inside Elland Road, with a protest going on into the early hours. What have we actually had at Town, deserved jeering on Saturday and a bit of gallows humour regarding Smithies with the "off, off, off" chant, none of which Dean even witnessed. Thats it. There wasnt a concerted "Robins out" demand last season (when it would have been fully justified), at the games there wasnt any "Grayson Out", and there wasnt any "Clark Out", and theres certainly not been any "sack the board" style chanting against Dean, Nigel or Ross. This frank interview could hopefully be a bit of a watershed moment. These three characters arent "our friends" (unless theyre your friend of course!), theyre the current custodians of the club, and we need to start treating them like that and they need to start acting like that. I THINK things are better today than they were yesterday. Fans need to keep on offering their opinions on here good or bad, and, AS WE DO, giving the team the opportunity to express itself on the football field (it was still relatively positive where i was at 2-0 down for what its worth). We're not animals, just because Crooks had a bad game, he wouldnt be booed before he touched the ball the next time he takes to a field....and guess what, that kind of thing DID used to regularly happen, with certain players roundly booed as the teams were read out. Bit of a ramble and I've lost the point I was going to make. In summary, and whilst I think this IS the place for opinion from across the spectrum, and whilst my own opinion is that we as a club do quite a lot of things in the wrong way and I disagree with the approach, from now until Christmas* when posting on here I'm going to try and bear in mind what Dean said and see if it makes a difference. My behaviour at a game will remain the same, I'll get behind the players, jeer what I think are ridiculous substituions, and moan at individual mistakes. I cant change that behaviour, I'm a fan. *i need some leeway so I can call for the new managers head and decry the process that brought him here in the first place in the next transfer window! The day he stops being a fan is the day he puts the club up for sale. He's my spending millions each year to make a return. We as fans don't know all the facts a lot of the time. We need to have faith that he can make good decisions with all the information available to him. I'm no sycophant, I felt Dean backed his first manage for far too long and voiced that on here many times but never at the ground. However, I understood his reasons and that he had more info on the entire situation & behind the scenes than I did. I don't believe he's some sort of god like businessman either. I've been successful myself so I don't deify people that have made lots of money etc. I base my opinion on what dean says in public and in the couple of occasions I've met him. He's a calm, measured, thoughtful yet driven character and has and continued to do an excellent job running HTFC. Long my that continue and I think it will. Yes, good point. I think I mean stop ACTING like a fan. Although I probably don't even know what I really mean by that, since, I do want to see the owner of "my" football club charging onto the pitch in success at Wembley, and I do want to see him cut up at defeat since thats all part of what makes Town a bit special compared to most clubs in this league. We're still a "local club for local people", and that stewardship by people who live within half an hour of the ground, rather than in China, or the USA, is a good thing. I probably mean, "be more professional, and a bit more thick skinned". But I also like the fact that Dean lets his emotional tie to the club say things he probably shouldn't if considered. In fact...on second thoughts, he, and Nigel and Ross, should probably carry on behaving and acting exactly like they have been doing, as thats part of what makes Town a great club to be a supporter of. (See, I've changed already!) |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 13, 2014 11:07:59 GMT 1
He still needs to learn how to stop being a fan and start being an owner/chairman. What would his response have been had he been served the kind of (deserved at times, not at others) vitriol that the previous owner had, which was aimed directly at him?! As fans I think in spite of what has been said and written, we're actually pretty understanding, forgiving, lenient, and liberal (with a small L). As a lad growing up at Town, I remember the "sack the board.." and "we want XXXXX OUT" chants, which as things went downhill would go onfor weeks before change (or a victory!), I remember being at an away game at Stoke with Chris Kamara holed up in the stadium and the Stoke fans raining rocks at the club such was their pent up anger, more recently I've seen Massimo Cellino trapped inside Elland Road, with a protest going on into the early hours. What have we actually had at Town, deserved jeering on Saturday and a bit of gallows humour regarding Smithies with the "off, off, off" chant, none of which Dean even witnessed. Thats it. There wasnt a concerted "Robins out" demand last season (when it would have been fully justified), at the games there wasnt any "Grayson Out", and there wasnt any "Clark Out", and theres certainly not been any "sack the board" style chanting against Dean, Nigel or Ross. This frank interview could hopefully be a bit of a watershed moment. These three characters arent "our friends" (unless theyre your friend of course!), theyre the current custodians of the club, and we need to start treating them like that and they need to start acting like that. I THINK things are better today than they were yesterday. Fans need to keep on offering their opinions on here good or bad, and, AS WE DO, giving the team the opportunity to express itself on the football field (it was still relatively positive where i was at 2-0 down for what its worth). We're not animals, just because Crooks had a bad game, he wouldnt be booed before he touched the ball the next time he takes to a field....and guess what, that kind of thing DID used to regularly happen, with certain players roundly booed as the teams were read out. Bit of a ramble and I've lost the point I was going to make. In summary, and whilst I think this IS the place for opinion from across the spectrum, and whilst my own opinion is that we as a club do quite a lot of things in the wrong way and I disagree with the approach, from now until Christmas* when posting on here I'm going to try and bear in mind what Dean said and see if it makes a difference. My behaviour at a game will remain the same, I'll get behind the players, jeer what I think are ridiculous substituions, and moan at individual mistakes. I cant change that behaviour, I'm a fan. *i need some leeway so I can call for the new managers head and decry the process that brought him here in the first place in the next transfer window! I think you did lose the point somewhere in there but so did I and it is pretty much what I feel - so well said. |
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The day he stops being a fan is the day he puts the club up for sale. He's my spending millions each year to make a return. We as fans don't know all the facts a lot of the time. We need to have faith that he can make good decisions with all the information available to him. I'm no sycophant, I felt Dean backed his first manage for far too long and voiced that on here many times but never at the ground. However, I understood his reasons and that he had more info on the entire situation & behind the scenes than I did. I don't believe he's some sort of god like businessman either. I've been successful myself so I don't deify people that have made lots of money etc. I base my opinion on what dean says in public and in the couple of occasions I've met him. He's a calm, measured, thoughtful yet driven character and has and continued to do an excellent job running HTFC. Long my that continue and I think it will. Yes, good point. I think I mean stop ACTING like a fan. Although I probably don't even know what I really mean by that, since, I do want to see the owner of "my" football club charging onto the pitch in success at Wembley, and I do want to see him cut up at defeat since thats all part of what makes Town a bit special compared to most clubs in this league. We're still a "local club for local people", and that stewardship by people who live within half an hour of the ground, rather than in China, or the USA, is a good thing. I probably mean, "be more professional, and a bit more thick skinned". But I also like the fact that Dean lets his emotional tie to the club say things he probably shouldn't if considered. In fact...on second thoughts, he, and Nigel and Ross, should probably carry on behaving and acting exactly like they have been doing, as thats part of what makes Town a great club to be a supporter of. (See, I've changed already!) Hahahaha. I know what you meant- protect himself a little bit from the doubters etc...I reckon he does really, just wanted to use his radio interview as a rallying call and get people looking forward. He acknowledged the club had been caught with it's proverbial pants down. Things don't always go to plan but we just all have to keep the faith. I really agree with your identity of the club. I'm optimistic for a good appointment- a leader of men, and a good season. Get gerrard back, and give lynch a rocket. Then our talented midfielders and wingers can put nahki wells up near the top of goalscoring charts. I have no doubts about that, the boy is a real player. |
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Aug 13, 2014 11:26:49 GMT 1
Like I said before, the club seem far far too interested in what the fans think and getting involved in dumb arguments on Twatter and Facebook than actually running the club. But if they don't do those things they are immediately lambasted by people saying the PR policy is all wrong and that they never communicate with the fans. Damned if you do damned if you don't. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 13, 2014 11:28:07 GMT 1
Unfortunately as well as being a place for good, reasoned debate, this forum and social media are both places for the absolute dregs of society to voice their nonsensical opinions. I'm sure the club have no problem with people putting across an eloquent opinion of something that could be improved at the club, what I imagine they do have a problem with is people calling into question the personal integrity of people operating in the best interests of the club and repeatedly voicing opinions that make absolutely no sense. I have said several times in the past that if I was Hoyle, I would be wondering whether it was worth it. He's only involved at Town because he's a fan who was pissed off with seeing us fail to compete in lower divisions and had the resources to sort it out. He's never claimed to be anything other than this and only took over Town as there was no other option. As a reluctant football owner, I can imagine it effects him greatly when his integrity is called into question, so when people ask repeatedly where finances from player sales have gone (for example), it's unsurprising that he is upset and pissed off. The second thing thing that I'm sure winds the club up, is the usual suspects using social media as a stick to beat the club repeatedly and nonsensically. If you click on Tweets the club makes to see the replies, you will quickly identify a list of usual suspects who will be constantly having jabs at the club. "How about forgetting about partners and make some signings", "Ticket prices are too high" and "Stead is shit" are the kind of thing that you come across on there, after the club have tweeted about giving breakfasts to school children or something equally irrelevant to the replies! For all the internet is amazing, it also gives people anonymity to voice opinions that they would be too afraid to tell someone directly. Last week, Vaughan responded to a Town fan who was joking about him being injured; I can't imagine that Town fan would have voiced the opinion to him in person, as it would have displayed a complete lack of social etiquette. Personally, I would never say something to someone on Twitter that I wouldn't be prepared to say to people in person. If others followed the same guideline, I can't imagine that the personal integrity of directors would be called into question so often, nor would I expect quite so many criticisms to be posted. Edit - having said all this, I don't think it's a HTAFC problem, or even a football problem. It's a societal issue; people just look to bait public figures online. A lot of girls look at the Daily Mail gossip pages religiously and the comments always beggar belief... Here's a random story I've just got to act as an example, it's the first one I clicked on. Here's a gripping story about Lily Allen not wearing her engagement ring... Look at the comments.No thanks....i am too busy pushing red hot needles into my eyeballs. |
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Post by 5kippy on Aug 13, 2014 11:28:31 GMT 1
The day he stops being a fan is the day he puts the club up for sale. He's my spending millions each year to make a return. We as fans don't know all the facts a lot of the time. We need to have faith that he can make good decisions with all the information available to him. I'm no sycophant, I felt Dean backed his first manage for far too long and voiced that on here many times but never at the ground. However, I understood his reasons and that he had more info on the entire situation & behind the scenes than I did. I don't believe he's some sort of god like businessman either. I've been successful myself so I don't deify people that have made lots of money etc. I base my opinion on what dean says in public and in the couple of occasions I've met him. He's a calm, measured, thoughtful yet driven character and has and continued to do an excellent job running HTFC. Long my that continue and I think it will. Yes, good point. I think I mean stop ACTING like a fan. Although I probably don't even know what I really mean by that, since, I do want to see the owner of "my" football club charging onto the pitch in success at Wembley, and I do want to see him cut up at defeat since thats all part of what makes Town a bit special compared to most clubs in this league. We're still a "local club for local people", and that stewardship by people who live within half an hour of the ground, rather than in China, or the USA, is a good thing. I probably mean, "be more professional, and a bit more thick skinned". But I also like the fact that Dean lets his emotional tie to the club say things he probably shouldn't if considered. In fact...on second thoughts, he, and Nigel and Ross, should probably carry on behaving and acting exactly like they have been doing, as thats part of what makes Town a great club to be a supporter of. (See, I've changed already!) As one poster said earlier; This forum should be used for reasonable informed debate (not slagging others/team/club off) even if we are debating with ourselves! |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 13, 2014 11:29:28 GMT 1
The only disgrace i can see is how unprofessional the board have handled the whole affair especially when Robins himself made it clear in the interview that his contract should have been terminated by the club at the end of last season due to his failings . The D A T M discussion board was put in place simply to give every fan the right to voice their opinion and so important that everybody is given that right otherwise we could end up with a one sided imbalanced debate and who is the ( judge ) that decides who is right and who is wrong. In my 52 years a fan, i have followed Huddersfield Town through thick and thin and the one main reason this club has survived the dark years is that we have one of the most loyal and passionate group of supporters in the land who demmand nothing but the best and if Mr hoyle and his board fail to see that then we have a far bigger problem than first thought. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 13, 2014 11:32:42 GMT 1
I have never been on facetwat or twitbook, i dont know what a hashtag is or what trending means. I know i dont want to learn because its clearly rubbish/nonsense.
There is this big belief system that without it you are missing out.....its pathetic.
Why let pointless people and idiocy and others pathetic ego's into your life.
I suggest the club stick to their webpage and avoid everything else.
Whatever happened to a good old press release?
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 13, 2014 11:48:39 GMT 1
DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares. I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands. Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times. I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two. Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance. Well said that man! Clearly the only logical step from here would be to ban all internet forums (fora?!) to put an end once and for all to all these keyboard warriors with their evil contrasting opinions that might upset someone who doesn't agree with them. While we are at it, let's have the thought police imprison anyone anywhere who looks like they might be about to have an opinion on anything. That should sort it suicide |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 13, 2014 11:48:43 GMT 1
thought back through my posts..
nothing personal about the board at the club..
some obvious home truths about players who clearly have drifted through the last couple of seasons and some blindingly obvious mistakes made at board level/team level.
Robins has obviously fallen out with some senior players from last season who have now left and has then spectacularly fallen out with a raft more before we kicked off this season.
The interview with Dean didn't illuminate the reasons for this fall out but as I said straight after the game, it was very odd from start to finish and time was up. Dean saying he would have given him more time was weird because he clearly wasn't going to come back and work with a load of players who were not taking any notice of him. He didn't want more money for players, he didn't want more time, he wanted away.
Now that's twice in reasonably quick succession that the players have effectively 'mutinied' and added to the ex senior players who caused aggro after Christmas last season and the Norwood interview and Claytons protracted departure its pretty clear that tensions have been building. The situation of going 12 games without a win twice and some of the performances added to the 'Vaughan injury saga' and the 'does Lynch actually want to play comedy' has always been playing in the background.
Sir Dean of Hoyle allowed the common man touch to come through yesterday and handed out some stick, he is a fan and as on here it happens. I don't think I have ever posted anything abusive about him personally but I stand by the comments about his ownership of the club and that I still think its difficult for him to understand the wastage in football and how mildly talented players can get so much for so long for so little. He just targeted the wrong people im afraid. It is vey difficult for the board to publicly attack the players but lets hope its not when its face to face.
As always the fans move on and are here, if I get to the point of going to a game to boo or just heckle abuse the team/manager/owner then clearly I have lost the plot and am spending a lot of time an money to just piss me and them off.
If that's happening then its even weirder than the whole atmosphere/performance from Saturday and Dean may well have been 'mocking the afflicted'...
last night from half time was a great cup tie by the way..
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Aug 13, 2014 11:52:45 GMT 1
Just like I come on here and have a moan - DH is entitled to go on Radio Leeds and complain about what he wants - absolutely no problem.
I know when he was on the terraces 15 years ago he would have been moaning like everyone else recently.
I didnt particularly like what I feel sounded like a 'threat' when he said the support the new manager gets will 'tell him everything about how we feel about him'.
I'm quite sure the manager will get complete backing when he joins - if he turns out dogs hit then that support will stop - that has and should have no reflection on what DH is doing or has done.
And neither should he use it as a guide.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 13, 2014 12:00:43 GMT 1
Robins got shafted by ex senior pros to start with and then had a fall out of some type with a load more this season. Not sure how a few posts on here would be more divisive than that??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 12:25:01 GMT 1
what I imagine they do have a problem with is people calling into question the personal integrity of people operating in the best interests of the club and repeatedly voicing opinions that make absolutely no sense. As a reluctant football owner, I can imagine it effects him greatly when his integrity is called into question, so when people ask repeatedly where finances from player sales have gone (for example), it's unsurprising that he is upset and pissed off. You make your points eloquently and in a reasoned manner but I’m confused by a couple of points. I follow DATM during the season (but generally not the Summer – so I may be missing something), posting on an irregular basis (at least over the last couple of years and certainly in comparison to some – TBH my posts over the last few years are likely to have been on betting threads or in the “off topic” section (baseball for example)). I can’t comment on Twitter or other forms of social media but TBH I’m a bit surprised that there is anything on DATM that would get DH as upset as he appeared to be last night or that TBH would fall into the categories you’ve described You mention the threads about the Jordan Rhodes money. However, even on those threads anyone implying DH was parsimonious with these funds was swiftly shouted down because it was clear to (almost) all that DH had invested this amount (and much more) into the club already. Accordingly I’d suggest he should see the threads as an indicator of the extent of his support rather than as any sort of issue. You make reference to this forum being a problem (as did Mids on another thread). Could you outline the types of thread you mean, because TBH as far as this forum is concerned I’m struggling a little to see the problem is anything like as severe as was made out. PS I’ll stress again I have no idea what Twitter is like. Smithfield Building states the problem is much worse on there than here. That may be the case but at present, you (& Mids & the OP) appear to be implying there is a significant problem on this Board as well and TBH I just don’t see it. There is a thread further up the board in which a poster is claiming that Hoyle interferes in team matters, and that whoever the new manager is, he will just be a 'yes man'. That's the sort of post to which I am referring. I completely accept that it is a very small minority, but unfortunately it's present and you can see that it would upset or anger someone during tougher times. The problem is much more evident on Twitter. Although in fairness, on Twitter you also get equally as tedious people on the other side of the fence who just post overly positive stuff constantly! |
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Post by benhomly on Aug 13, 2014 12:31:23 GMT 1
Grown men shouldn't use twitter; it's for kids and women surely?
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 13, 2014 12:33:14 GMT 1
The irony of Sugy accusing someone of myopia is delicious.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 13, 2014 12:36:08 GMT 1
DATM is a forum that causes the problems that Dean Hoyle has mentioned in his interview today. It is full of wannabe's who sit behind a computer and have an opinion because when they try to voice it in public no one cares. I am not in total agreement of what Mr Hoyle said today but these forums give the little keyboard warriors a voice which nobody needs and it translate in the stands. Half of you are up Dean Hoyle's arse and constantly looking for his approval the other half bitch and moan, before today I would have said that Dean is better than reading this rubbish but obviously he does read it and it affects him. He runs the club properly from a financial point of view but his manager appointments have been woeful and it needs to improve end of. We all support HTAFC through the bad and the good and I can assure you this is not the bad times. I was there on Saturday and booing the team/manager is not the way to go. Lets remember the numerous years in League One and the awful time in League Two. Good luck to the keyboard warriors, your the people who have an opinion sat in your seat but everyone looks at you knowing you dont have a clue so you look to DATM for reassurance. Its a shame youre a one thread poster because you'd be entertaining in a stupid way. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 13, 2014 12:39:48 GMT 1
Maybe he'll just keep on using this thread every time he posts?
Might counteract the other extreme... hmmm.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 13, 2014 12:40:04 GMT 1
twatter and faecesbook.. the home of cyber bullying/insults and meaningless piffle. whats 'trending' today, some arse doing something daft for no apparent reason in a street somewhere..
those that are getting knocked over or injuring themselves whilst fiddling with their phone appears to be a new form of 'natural selection'..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 12:51:04 GMT 1
The only disgrace i can see is how unprofessional the board have handled the whole affair especially when Robins himself made it clear in the interview that his contract should have been terminated by the club at the end of last season due to his failings They respect him as a person and like working with him and WANTED it to work and for Town to go on to be (relatively) succesful under Robins. So, they did the fair and honourable thing to try and support him by improving the team of people working with him, and they were prepared to give that framework time to work. I don't really know what of that could be considered a "disgrace"? Robins himself must also have thought, "yes, this could work and could kick start things positively", or else he would have walked at the end of the season, because thats the man he apparently is. Encouraging performances in the early part of pre season will have lifted him, he would have had doubts when we started playing league teams and performances and results dipped, but that game against Newcastle will have made him think that maybe things were on the right track. I can only begin to imagine the exasperation he felt on Saturday. As a fan it was deflating enough, but at least as a fan I'm in a position to go, "right, we've lost...lets just watch a game of football, and release a bit of frustration with the odd rant at our players short comings, and get behind those players putting a bit of effort in to at least try and restore some semblance of pride (and some of them were...it wasnt ALL doom and gloom)". He cant really do that from the touchline. From 20 minutes in he would have been pretty much stewing over things in his mind..."can I do this job to the level expected of me, with the support I've been given" (remember he effectively signed three players only last week in addition to the backroom changes and the new keeper and Peltier). ...ultimately the performance, and the fans to some extent, led him to his decision, which I'd hazard for him as a person, and for us as a club, was the right decision. But...lets not ask, "why didnt he walk (or be pushed) in May", because whilst that would have made things a little easier to plan and progress around, because, there are perfectly good and reasonable reasons why that didnt happen (note, I as a fan would have preferred him to leave at the end of last season...or actually as early as January, but thats just me). |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 13, 2014 13:22:04 GMT 1
Robins admited at the end of last season that he felt it would be in the best interests of the club that he departed but only because he stated in his job interview that he would not waste the clubs time if things did not go to plan. Dean admitted himself in the interview there could be no going back in a situation like that and what we have witnessed this week are the failings of the board of allowing this situation to turn into an ongoing shambles and poor press and media coverage have not done the club any favours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 13:25:24 GMT 1
I've just listened to the Dean Hoyle interview and I fear the guy seems very close to calling it a day and to be honest I might feel the same if I'd spent £Millions on trying to improve the club that I love, only to feel my integrity is being called into question by some of the club's more vocal fans. Everyone has a right to an opinion obviously but at times it seems nothing short of becoming a top six Premiership Club in double quick time will satisfy some people. Of course we all want Town to do well but surely constant destructive comments and jibes would test the most patient man/woman. I'm sure no one wants to knowingly press the self destruct button but I think Dean was actually saying that's the affect negativity has on the club managers and players. As I say, we're all entitled to our opinions but sometimes we have to accept that they can either be read/taken wrongly or have an adverse affect to the one that was intended. I'm not sure if he's referring to DATM when making comments he did but I do think it's something we should all think about. What strikes me though is if the negative comments hit him so deeply, why haven't the positive ones? He must know how much he is appreciated by the vast majority of fans. Now THAT is an excellent post! |
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Post by htfctx on Aug 13, 2014 14:10:23 GMT 1
The only logic to the way Robins departed is money.
If the board fired him. One amount
If Robins walks. Different amount
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 14:22:16 GMT 1
I may be lone voice on this but on my opinion it would better moderate/police this board to remove those that have a lack of integrity. Anybody slagging others off, being abusive, promoting personal inventions or lies should be warned. Then 3 strikes and you're out if you are caught out! You can have strong debate with integrity, even in internet forums. As for twitter facebook etc. I don't know how they function but I think the club should moderate their involvement in some way.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Aug 13, 2014 14:22:34 GMT 1
OP I can see what you are saying but this forum is definitely not the problem with the 'vocal minority'. It has always been a place where Town fans can share opinions on things, and as it has over 12,000 members there are undoubtedly going to be ones with views people don't agree with or views that are just plain stupid. But a lot of them are quite intelligently written and balanced in comparison with Facebook and Twitter.
Those two are the problem because they allow anyone in the world to write absolutely anything to anyone and they usually can't avoid seeing the drivel that is written about or to them. The fact that some of our most senior staff have open accounts that allow the average internet idiot to get a response out of them is probably the biggest problem here.
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Post by htafcjack on Aug 13, 2014 14:42:26 GMT 1
anyone got the link to his interview?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 14:46:51 GMT 1
I've said we really need to back Dean now, but I think if he head the interview back he will regret or wish he'd said things differently.
The way the fans back the next manager will determine his next steps.........the negativity surrounding the manager at the game upset him.........us on here after our dire run last season it would appear perfectly entitled to question if Robins should still lead us.......Robins on the phone even said he should have gone last season! This is the man who's paid handsomely by the club having the same opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 14:51:33 GMT 1
anyone got the link to his interview? |
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