Norwood

[galpharm2400]

Lillis has it about right when he refused to 'look at the bigger picture'.. The next game is the only picture for the first team, everyone else needs to keep their eye on the bigger picture and to be honest Town are doing ok in that respect.

So agreed we did lose sight somewhat of what was going on regarding the 'sharp end'..

[fredcarno1]

Norwood can be decent on his day, sadly doesn't have enough of those days. We've enough cover in there now so as long as the money from the sales of him and Clayton is made available I've no qualms about it. 

Hopefully some lunatic will want to sign some of the utter dross we have like Scannell and Gobern.

[stevvy]

Aug 19, 2014 16:47:11 GMT 1 terrierpark said:

I still say that the right thing to have done was to transfer list the players who we wanted out and those we were willing to let go at the right price in the summer.

I disagree with that personally. By all means put deadwood on the transfer list that basically would've required an injury crisis to even get on the bench, but as for those we'd be willing to let go at the right price, I wouldn't be putting them on the transfer list, as if it's a case of "right price" then we obviously have some intention of keeping them, and if they're on the transfer list, realistically in my view, the fee we could command would be lower. If a player worth £1m is on the transfer list we might get an offer of say £750k and they'd expect it to be accepted as they'd think "well he's valued at this, but he's on the transfer list so they'll probably accept a lower offer" whereas if they're not on the transfer list, they know they're going to have to at least offer the £1m to even stand a chance of getting the player.

That's just the way I see it though. Transfer listing players is pretty much a case of "make us an offer and as long as you don't offer us £300k for a £1.4m player we'll accept it" type situation in my view.

[Giggity]

Disappointing. Following the sale of Clayton, I really did think Norwood would prosper playing alongside a more mobile CM. He is without doubt one of the best technical players I have seen at the club with an unlimited range of passing. He was just lacking the athleticism/dribbling ability that would have seen him prosper in the big league.

The questions are:

- What happens if Coady isn't all that? He has played 2 games yet is the second coming on here. Norwood received similar praise following his start to his HTAFC career.
- What happens if Coady and/or Butterfield are unavailable. We then have 'can't pass' Hogg, 'glass ankles' Gobern and 'sub sub' Sinnott as back up. Billing is an outsider atm.

For a club aiming to consolidate themselves as mid-table club, selling last season's first choice midfield is fairly counterproductive.

[Doc Halladay 32]

Aug 19, 2014 17:19:16 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Disappointing. Following the sale of Clayton, I really did think Norwood would prosper playing alongside a more mobile CM. He is without doubt one of the best technical players I have seen at the club with an unlimited range of passing. He was just lacking the athleticism/dribbling ability that would have seen him prosper in the big league.

The questions are:

- What happens if Coady isn't all that? He has played 2 games yet is the second coming on here. Norwood received similar praise following his start to his HTAFC career.
- What happens if Coady and/or Butterfield are unavailable. We then have 'can't pass' Hogg, 'glass ankles' Gobern and 'sub sub' Sinnott as back up. Billing is an outsider atm.

For a club aiming to consolidate themselves as mid-table club, selling last season's first choice midfield is fairly counterproductive.

Not when the main 2 protagonists were not athletic and failed to gel with other midfielders at the club on a consistent basis and more importantly are in the final year of their contracts. Butterfield and Coady are the next 2 protagonists who are signed for the next 3 years.

We have backed new horses in the centre of the park and after being disappointed with the consistency in that area of the park, I am looking forward in expectation of where they may take us.

Great business by the club to sell both Clayton and Norwood for the fees reported at this stage of their contracts.

[Floyds]

I'd agree, think it's good business to get cash + replacements for Norwood and Clayton.

For whatever reason, it obviously didn't work last season, our central midfield had no energy, drive, creativity - whoever played in it.

Hopefully we can offload the likes of Gobern, Scannell, Paterson, Stead etc as well, and allow any new manager to bring in one or two players that improve the first 11.

I'd personally be happier seeing players like Billing, Charles, Holmes play the odd game to cover injuries, rather than reverting back to the above.


And if we're to be relegated anyway, this will at least give them the experience that will benefit them next season.

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2014 10:41:56 GMT 1 NumeroUno said:

People keep talking about Majewski as a replacement.. you guys realise that at the moment he's just a loan right?

He's on a season long loan and a season is a long time

[terrierpark]

Aug 19, 2014 17:10:18 GMT 1 stevvy said:

Aug 19, 2014 16:47:11 GMT 1 terrierpark said:

I still say that the right thing to have done was to transfer list the players who we wanted out and those we were willing to let go at the right price in the summer.

I disagree with that personally. By all means put deadwood on the transfer list that basically would've required an injury crisis to even get on the bench, but as for those we'd be willing to let go at the right price, I wouldn't be putting them on the transfer list, as if it's a case of "right price" then we obviously have some intention of keeping them, and if they're on the transfer list, realistically in my view, the fee we could command would be lower. If a player worth £1m is on the transfer list we might get an offer of say £750k and they'd expect it to be accepted as they'd think "well he's valued at this, but he's on the transfer list so they'll probably accept a lower offer" whereas if they're not on the transfer list, they know they're going to have to at least offer the £1m to even stand a chance of getting the player.

That's just the way I see it though. Transfer listing players is pretty much a case of "make us an offer and as long as you don't offer us £300k for a £1.4m player we'll accept it" type situation in my view.

I know what you mean you might not make as much as not advertising them, BUT a) IMO the club needed to signal a statement of intent to the fans which would have raised confidence/feel good and diminish negativity, and b)we might have got the money to get our targets in ready for the start of the season and not after missing out on x number of points, and that is the main point.

[htfcterrier23]

Aug 19, 2014 17:39:18 GMT 1 @megatron said:

Aug 19, 2014 10:41:56 GMT 1 NumeroUno said:

People keep talking about Majewski as a replacement.. you guys realise that at the moment he's just a loan right?

He's on a season long loan and a season is a long time

Exactly, Norwood is out of contract next year anyway.

[Oblong of Dreams]

Think we've had Reading's pants down if this goes through, let's see if we can do it twice in one day...

(Surely not...!)

[Giggity]

Look at the state of our bench today. And people actually think selling Norwood is a good deal. Crooks and Sinnott should be nowhere near the team.

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2014 20:04:19 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Look at the state of our bench today. And people actually think selling Norwood is a good deal. Crooks and Sinnott should be nowhere near the team.

With reading apparently offering over 1m quid, don't you think we should just cash in?

DH must be thinking Readings scouting system have been smoking grade A crack whilst watching Norwood.

[Giggity]

Aug 19, 2014 20:06:43 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:04:19 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Look at the state of our bench today. And people actually think selling Norwood is a good deal. Crooks and Sinnott should be nowhere near the team.

With reading apparently offering over 1m quid, don't you think we should just cash in?

DH must be thinking Readings scouting system have been smoking grade A crack whilst watching Norwood.

No, I think he is a good player. Hoyle wants us to become a solid mid table team. We're not going to become that when we sell our first team players. We need strength in depth.

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2014 20:10:19 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:06:43 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

With reading apparently offering over 1m quid, don't you think we should just cash in?

DH must be thinking Readings scouting system have been smoking grade A crack whilst watching Norwood.

No, I think he is a good player. Hoyle wants us to become a solid mid table team. We're not going to become that when we sell our first team players. We need strength in depth.

I see your point, our depth is woeful at best. From my uneducated perch, I think DH is thinking take the money, invest in new. I agree Norwood is a good player, but he's like Arfield. Inconsistent and had so many chances.

[htfc1984]

Or maybe readings scouts and then coaching team can spot something and ultimately train them accordingly.

Don't people ever wonder why all these players that look very good until we sign them. They then seem to get CANALSIDED

[swollentoe]

Sky Sports understands Reading have agreed a fee with Huddersfield Town for midfielder Oliver Norwood.

As revealed on Monday, Reading were lining up a move for the Northern Ireland international as they look to bolster their midfield options.
Norwood joined Huddersfield from Manchester United in 2012 and established himself as one of the best players in the Championship.
A number of clubs have been linked with Norwood, but Reading are poised to secure his signature.
Norwood will not be involved in Tuesday's meeting between the two sides and he is expected to undergo a medical at Reading on Wednesday.

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2014 20:16:33 GMT 1 swollentoe said:

Sky Sports understands Reading have agreed a fee with Huddersfield Town for midfielder Oliver Norwood.

As revealed on Monday, Reading were lining up a move for the Northern Ireland international as they look to bolster their midfield options.
Norwood joined Huddersfield from Manchester United in 2012 and established himself as one of the best players in the Championship.
A number of clubs have been linked with Norwood, but Reading are poised to secure his signature.
Norwood will not be involved in Tuesday's meeting between the two sides and he is expected to undergo a medical at Reading on Wednesday.

Imagine reporting such bull.

[Giggity]

Aug 19, 2014 20:12:26 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:10:19 GMT 1 Giggity said:

No, I think he is a good player. Hoyle wants us to become a solid mid table team. We're not going to become that when we sell our first team players. We need strength in depth.

I see your point, our depth is woeful at best. From my uneducated perch, I think DH is thinking take the money, invest in new. I agree Norwood is a good player, but he's like Arfield. Inconsistent and had so many chances.

That's the thing, an injury to Coady or Butterfield and we're in the same predicament as last season. Our squad is just as weak as last season's.

Norwood hasn't always impressed but he is a solid Championship player with potential. Sell him and we have Gobern (always injured), Billing (inexperienced), Crooks (substandard), Sinnott (substandard) as stand ins. Hardly convincing. Is it worth the risk for £800k?

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2014 20:20:21 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:12:26 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

I see your point, our depth is woeful at best. From my uneducated perch, I think DH is thinking take the money, invest in new. I agree Norwood is a good player, but he's like Arfield. Inconsistent and had so many chances.

That's the thing, an injury to Coady or Butterfield and we're in the same predicament as last season. Our squad is just as weak as last season's.

Norwood hasn't always impressed but he is a solid Championship player with potential. Sell him and we have Gobern (always injured), Billing (inexperienced), Crooks (substandard), Sinnott (substandard) as stand ins. Hardly convincing. Is it worth the risk for £800k?

Fair point.

I hate it when your right...

[Giggity]

Aug 19, 2014 20:22:22 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:20:21 GMT 1 Giggity said:

That's the thing, an injury to Coady or Butterfield and we're in the same predicament as last season. Our squad is just as weak as last season's.

Norwood hasn't always impressed but he is a solid Championship player with potential. Sell him and we have Gobern (always injured), Billing (inexperienced), Crooks (substandard), Sinnott (substandard) as stand ins. Hardly convincing. Is it worth the risk for £800k?

Fair point.

I hate it when your right...

It's only my opinion however I would say given the aforementioned points that we definitely haven't "pulled down Reading's pants" or done well from it.

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2014 20:28:56 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:22:22 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Fair point.

I hate it when your right...

It's only my opinion however I would say given the aforementioned points that we definitely haven't "pulled down Reading's pants" or done well from it.

IF he goes for over a Mill and we bring in two gems then I think ill be happier. I Don't see a future for Norwood anymore but your point on squad depth is valid and It is a concern.

[mightyterrier]

Aug 19, 2014 20:28:56 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:22:22 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Fair point.

I hate it when your right...

It's only my opinion however I would say given the aforementioned points that we definitely haven't "pulled down Reading's pants" or done well from it.

It's worth the risk so we can reinvest and make squad stronger, given he will go for f all in January it's a good deal to me!

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[ritchie]

Aug 19, 2014 20:15:32 GMT 1 htfc1984 said:

Or maybe readings scouts and then coaching team can spot something and ultimately train them accordingly.

Don't people ever wonder why all these players that look very good until we sign them. They then seem to get CANALSIDED

YEAH I THOUGHT THE SAME ABOUT PELTS, PILKS, RHODES, HUNT AND CLAYTON $$$$$.

[htfc1984]

Well done, youve picked out 5 out of how many signings over the last 5/6 years.... Plus hunt was academy not a signing which is what I'm getting at

[thrice]

Aug 19, 2014 20:36:48 GMT 1 SW6 said:

Theres a growing feeling on Datm that we have " had peoples pants down" and "done some good business"
But im not so sure , our board would like to think they are very sharp operators in the transfer market but we havent always demonstrated that we plow the money back into new recruits and if the quality of the replacements isnt an improvement we may be moving backwards - plus an earlier posters comment that we could be leaving ourselves short of decent back up players is worrying

If they were really clever they might get the a couple of centre backs and a striker in
Yes i know the new manager will have the final say ..

We sign replacements & crucially try to balance the books.

Looks like more great business to me.

[kautostar1]

I rate Norwood.

Will be sorry to see him leave

[Deleted]

Norwood doesn't want to sign a new contract. Do we keep a player for the season who will have very little impact on where we end up and leave for nothing in June or do we flog him for a tidy sum?

Not exactly a hard decision is it

[mightyterrier]

Aug 19, 2014 20:55:25 GMT 1 @pointykay said:

Norwood doesn't want to sign a new contract. Do we keep a player for the season who will have very little impact on where we end up and leave for nothing in June or do we flog him for a tidy sum?

Not exactly a hard decision is it

Nail right on the head!

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2014 21:04:27 GMT 1 mightyterrier said:

Aug 19, 2014 20:55:25 GMT 1 @pointykay said:

Norwood doesn't want to sign a new contract. Do we keep a player for the season who will have very little impact on where we end up and leave for nothing in June or do we flog him for a tidy sum?

Not exactly a hard decision is it

Nail right on the head!

I don't know why people don't get that. If a player will not sign an extension and we are in their last season the club has no power to hold onto them. Its not rocket science.