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Post by terrierng on Mar 19, 2015 21:06:25 GMT 1
Nobody who isn't a millionaire has any reason to vote Tory. People who do,and put the Tories in Govt, are just laughed at by the elitist rich tax dodging lying cheating sneering coke snorting  henry Tory Tw*ts... never understood working class people voting Tory...must be a snobbish thing ? Probably because they're sick of Labour supporting 3rd generation benefit families & allowing immigration to spiral out of control, etc. etc. etc. Yet there are 300k more illegal immigrants per yer under the tories, strange that....and im not aligned to either party either,but labour may well of opened the gates,but the tories sure as hell hasnt shut it,quite the opposite,. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 19, 2015 21:07:19 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say  It would be baffling if Labour did just that but because a Labour manifesto would never include privatising the NHS that the dyed in the wool Labour voters are just that. There is no doubt that the gap between Labour and the Conservatives has closed but there is still a genuine difference. I live overseas now but as a normal working bloke, living my adult life under Tory then Labour and then Tory governments. It is clear to me that, all other things being equal I was better off under the Labour government. As you suggest, I was brought up by a family of Labour voters, parents and grandparents always told me if I wasn't wealthy beyond my needs then i'd always be better off under Labour and so far in my life that is the case. I think you do the multitude of Labour voters a disservice saying they would vote for them regardless of their policies, because the Labour policies are clearly far more geared to helping the working class. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 21:07:30 GMT 1
Just what I was thinking. I was brought up in a very humble home. My dad always voted Labour and so did I until they abolished capital punishment. I've never seen any reason to return to Labour. Every time they're in power they seem to mess up the country's balance sheet and since Bliar's time (apart from illegal invasions that have lead to ISIS) there do not seem to be many working class Labour MPs. I'm no Tory either by the way. As many people realise there's not the thickness of a cigarette paper between LibLabCon. They're all mates behind the scenes, well mostly. They're all the same as a rule Pixie, choosing your favourite over which school they went to is kinda stoopid really. I'm with FP, I vote for the ones that I feel the country needs at the time. It certainly wasn't Labour at the last election and I'm still not sure it is now. Dave has done a good job of getting the country back on its feet. At what cost though? Public services ravaged, the poor being made to pay with an attack on welfare plus the bedroom tax, you can't even go and borrow a book from your local library because they've closed it down,NHS privatisation by stealth. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:08:35 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. No I understand all of this mate, really do. But there's more to it for me.. Global economics are often beyond the control of the UK.. The North was built on Wool/Cotton and coal, the wool and cotton trade died off with cheaper imports/exports/labour abroad and would you rather be sat in a house now that was powered by coal instead of your nice central heating? People in the mining towns blame The Tories for pit closures etc, but there wasn't an economic need as I understand it. Plus the unions didn't help - Labour let that spiral way out of control initially. Where Thatcher kind of narks me, is that she failed to supply a suitable alternative for work. The Tories managed to pop a few car manufacturing plants here n there, but nothing much else. It probably all goes back to WW2 and that Britain was skint? Perhaps we couldn't afford to keep up with moving technologies, and everything we'd built our country on had died off - including the shipyards in Liverpool and Glasgow. Thatcher carries the can because it all came to a head in the 80's where things changed. Those changes in the 70's and 80's gave strength to the Ulster, Plaid Cymru and SNP lot and has sadly disenfranchised the rest of the UK from the South East which carries WAY too much power now. That is my main gripe with current politics is that everything is London-Centric, and I'd prefer that everything was spread out over the UK. Towns are thriving down in the South East but really genuinely dieing up here - Rochdale for example is like a scene from the walking dead and Huddersfield is getting there... So when I listen to George Osbourne talk about creating a 'Northern Powerhouse' it intrigues me - do I trust him? Not really... But I fear for the likes of Halifax, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Oldham, Rochdale etc and my vote will go to whomever can create a better North for us, and for Scotland. It doesn't matter to me if it's The Tories, Lib Dems and Labour - I just wish someone would do it. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 19, 2015 21:10:24 GMT 1
The Tories inherited a nightmare and are making steady progress - just like Deano!
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 19, 2015 21:10:37 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say You could write exactly the same about Tory voters...but you didn't ? tbh, I don't think this is true any more..there's so much more info on the 'net for people to work out who says what ..I also disagree they are the same, Labour still tend to have workers conditions first, and social and welfare are a higher priority...whereas the Tories would sell everything off to private sector in return for the donations they make to Tory party funds.. Capitalism is destined to cause total disaster, leads to massive division between the have's and the have nots and by it's very nature is exploitative. At some stage it will all implode...and then the private yachts and jets will be heading off to the Bahamas while the rest of us stew in the mess that's left behind. opinions are divided, and some are stronger than others (amongst Town fans), so that's why I'm surpised the Town Ambassador has been linked to jason Mccartney's election campaign...surely not a clever idea for a football club in a working class town which is already losing dissaffected fans..? It never said that in The Sun ... you're fighting a losing battle on here mate. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 19, 2015 21:12:19 GMT 1
How can you presume Huddersfield is a working class (Labour) town when clearly half the town has voted for a Tory MP. And for what its worth Jason McCartney is an excellent MP for Huddersfield to have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:13:41 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say You could write exactly the same about Tory voters...but you didn't ? tbh, I don't think this is true any more..there's so much more info on the 'net for people to work out who says what ..I also disagree they are the same, Labour still tend to have workers conditions first, and social and welfare are a higher priority...whereas the Tories would sell everything off to private sector in return for the donations they make to Tory party funds.. Capitalism is destined to cause total disaster, leads to massive division between the have's and the have nots and by it's very nature is exploitative. At some stage it will all implode...and then the private yachts and jets will be heading off to the Bahamas while the rest of us stew in the mess that's left behind. opinions are divided, and some are stronger than others (amongst Town fans), so that's why I'm surpised the Town Ambassador has been linked to jason Mccartney's election campaign...surely not a clever idea for a football club in a working class town which is already losing dissaffected fans..? I agree with elements of what you say, and yes I could say it of the Tory voters, but it seems truer for the Labour ones - especially around these parts, plus I don't know anyone who votes Tory based on their parents, I know plenty of Labour ones though. I think we saw at the last election, the numbers are decreasing in voters and that the majority of young voters don't know what they're voting for irrespective of whether the info is there or not. On Town, I agree, I don't think they should nail their colours to any mast, hopefully if they do it with Jason McCartney, then they should do it with the rest - bar the BNP! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:14:08 GMT 1
They're all the same as a rule Pixie, choosing your favourite over which school they went to is kinda stoopid really. I'm with FP, I vote for the ones that I feel the country needs at the time. It certainly wasn't Labour at the last election and I'm still not sure it is now. Dave has done a good job of getting the country back on its feet. At what cost though? Public services ravaged, the poor being made to pay with an attack on welfare plus the bedroom tax, you can't even go and borrow a book from your local library because they've closed it down,NHS privatisation by stealth. I get books from Amazon. There's a decent library here in the tory heartland of Mirfield, but hopefully they are closing it down and converting it into a Wetherspoons. 1888 I'm looking forward to sitting and having a quiet pint while reading Margaret Thatchers autobiography. Cracking. |
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 19, 2015 21:15:03 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:16:38 GMT 1
I don't live in the area, but follow him on twitter along with Barry Sheerman just for a nosey. McCartney seems decent and a good MP. Sheerman comes across as a plank... Even if he is a good mp, he's still a Tory and I'm not too impressed that Town have allowed this kind if thing to happen, not good PR. Working class town, working class fan base, safe Labour seat...come on Town ffs. To be fair, of the three seats that cover our traditional fan base, only one is safe Labour (Sheerman's Huddersfield.) Colne Valley, which is Holmfirth-Lindley has always been a three way marginal. The rural bit near Kirkburton is in Dewsbury and isn't safe. For interest, Colne Valley is very tight, with Ashcroft giving McCartney a 1% lead. Dewsbury looks likely to go back red, though it can be difficult to judge the impact of race (though I believe both main party candidates are white anyway.)  |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 21:18:33 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. The full outrages of the Tories under Thatcher are just becoming apparent.. I mean we knew she ordered the sinking of the Belgrano as it was sailing away. We knew what she did to the mining communities... But the rape and murder of children ? Wow ... No one saw that one coming ! ... The cover ups around Hillsborough particularly got on my goat and good to see ( although 26 years too late for the families) Duckinfield admit what most football supporters knew for years... That he presided over a hideous botch job and then the establishment covered it up with lies... Horrendous |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 21:19:12 GMT 1
How can you presume Huddersfield is a working class (Labour) town when clearly half the town has voted for a Tory MP. And for what its worth Jason McCartney is an excellent MP for Huddersfield to have. Thanks for your views Jason |
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Post by midge on Mar 19, 2015 21:19:46 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. Ah yes, good old working class Ed in his £2m London pad with 2 kitchens!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:21:28 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say It would be baffling if Labour did just that but because a Labour manifesto would never include privatising the NHS that the dyed in the wool Labour voters are just that. There is no doubt that the gap between Labour and the Conservatives has closed but there is still a genuine difference. I live overseas now but as a normal working bloke, living my adult life under Tory then Labour and then Tory governments. It is clear to me that, all other things being equal I was better off under the Labour government. As you suggest, I was brought up by a family of Labour voters, parents and grandparents always told me if I wasn't wealthy beyond my needs then i'd always be better off under Labour and so far in my life that is the case. I think you do the multitude of Labour voters a disservice saying they would vote for them regardless of their policies, because the Labour policies are clearly far more geared to helping the working class. Yeah I was going for an extreme example, but I genuinely feel some people would. Maybe they'd do it both ways who knows? I'm slightly different, I've only witnessed 1 Labour and 1 Tory government in my working life, and being honest I am slightly better off with the Tory one. Not that others are/were, and that's a key point for me when voting. It's just not what's right for me, it's also what's right for my friends, family and local area and country, I'm undecided. |
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 19, 2015 21:22:36 GMT 1
At what cost though? Public services ravaged, the poor being made to pay with an attack on welfare plus the bedroom tax, you can't even go and borrow a book from your local library because they've closed it down,NHS privatisation by stealth. I get books from Amazon. There's a decent library here in the tory heartland of Mirfield, but hopefully they are closing it down and converting it into a Wetherspoons.  I'm looking forward to sitting and having a quiet pint while reading Margaret Thatchers autobiography. Cracking. The tax-dodging Amazon? Bravo! |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 21:22:37 GMT 1
Even if he is a good mp, he's still a Tory and I'm not too impressed that Town have allowed this kind if thing to happen, not good PR. Working class town, working class fan base, safe Labour seat...come on Town ffs. To be fair, of the three seats that cover our traditional fan base, only one is safe Labour (Sheerman's Huddersfield.) Colne Valley, which is Holmfirth-Lindley has always been a three way marginal. The rural bit near Kirkburton is in Dewsbury and isn't safe. For interest, Colne Valley is very tight, with Ashcroft giving McCartney a 1% lead. Dewsbury looks likely to go back red, though it can be difficult to judge the impact of race (though I believe both main party candidates are white anyway.) Colne Valley was Liberal 1970 till 1983 .. I think a lot of that was down to the trust that people placed in Richard Wainwright, the presiding MP... He introduced me to Cyril Smith as a 14 yo in 1982 so maybe he wasn't one to be trusted after all !! |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 19, 2015 21:23:40 GMT 1
vote for who you like..
one thing I know, people will vote for who does best/or they hope does best for them, personally...
both big party leaders are quite capable of folding like a deck chair to pressure groups..so what you vote for will get watered down either way..
Farage cant run the country, he probably couldn't run a bath, irrespective of his politics, some of which might work but the rest of it will cause a right load of old shit...
its gonna be a mish mash folks.. a muddle which through good, sensible, co operation might be good for us all, but having said SENSIBLE in relation to politicians, I hold out little hope..
even more pointless arguing with probably less done looks the near future..
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Post by htfcterrier23 on Mar 19, 2015 21:23:42 GMT 1
Hard to make a judgement without a picture of the leaflet.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 19, 2015 21:24:38 GMT 1
Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. Ah yes, good old working class Ed in his £2m London pad with 2 kitchens!!! Sooner have him than Dave and his bullingdon buddies - he's knows nothing about me or my life!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:24:53 GMT 1
I get books from Amazon. There's a decent library here in the tory heartland of Mirfield, but hopefully they are closing it down and converting it into a Wetherspoons. 1888 I'm looking forward to sitting and having a quiet pint while reading Margaret Thatchers autobiography. Cracking. The tax-dodging Amazon? Bravo! If you ran a business, would you may more tax than necessary. I wouldn't. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 21:25:57 GMT 1
Galpharm I don't agree that people always vote for the party which benefits them most personally.. If by personally you are talking about wealth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:26:16 GMT 1
To be fair, of the three seats that cover our traditional fan base, only one is safe Labour (Sheerman's Huddersfield.) Colne Valley, which is Holmfirth-Lindley has always been a three way marginal. The rural bit near Kirkburton is in Dewsbury and isn't safe. For interest, Colne Valley is very tight, with Ashcroft giving McCartney a 1% lead. Dewsbury looks likely to go back red, though it can be difficult to judge the impact of race (though I believe both main party candidates are white anyway.) Colne Valley was Liberal 1970 till 1983 .. I think a lot of that was down to the trust that people placed in Richard Wainwright, the presiding MP... He introduced me to Cyril Smith as a 14 yo in 1982 so maybe he wasn't one to be trusted after all !! Aye. Probably stretching it to call it a three-way marginal at this election though! Finishing ahead of the Kippers will be something of a relief for the yellows. One less lost deposit and all that... |
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Post by terracesider on Mar 19, 2015 21:27:08 GMT 1
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Post by midge on Mar 19, 2015 21:29:46 GMT 1
Ah yes, good old working class Ed in his £2m London pad with 2 kitchens!!! Sooner have him than Dave and his bullingdon buddies - he's knows nothing about me or my life! Which politicians do!? |
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Post by alexdire on Mar 19, 2015 21:31:24 GMT 1
They shouldn't be aligning themselves to any but letting Boothy write some spiel for a Tory MP is a right own goal given the 'working classness' of the town and its fanbase. Working class vote labour do they and the middle-class Tory? Thanks for clearing that up. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Yeah, I wouldn't consider myself middle class enough to vote labour. As for this working class fan base, working class town. Sounds like lefty romanticism, there are plenty of well to do people in Huddersfield. I live in the north east and there are genuinley people who vote Labour up here because as Geordie's they are expected to. Put a donkey in red rosette up here and the buggers would vote for it. |
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 19, 2015 21:32:15 GMT 1
The tax-dodging Amazon? Bravo! If you ran a business, would you may more tax than necessary. I wouldn't. No, I didn't think you would. I don't own my own business but have voted against my own financial interests because I would rather live in a society that protects and helps the disadvantaged or poorer (to put it crudely) members of society. I don't believe money entitles you to better healthcare or education, for example. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 21:34:00 GMT 1
We were the same colours under Our 'Arold ... It wouldn't surprise me if football club owners and footballers/ex-footballers voted Tory. I'm always surprised on the political discussions on this very board that most contributors appear to be right-wing (as I'd consider Huddersfield a working-class town and traditionally Labour stronghold). This could be a long thread. Yeah right wing on immigrants but I bet they aren't overly right wing on other things...don't let the Captain see this thread. I think we are safe for awhile.. It will take time for him to get over today's crushing news |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 19, 2015 21:34:26 GMT 1
btw, Chippendale.. the authorities, no not the police, I mean the people who really weild the power in this and every other country, will be covering horrendous things up as we speak... and tomorrow and the day after etc.. horrendous things are kept from david Cameron and disappeared.. if milliband gets in the same will happen again.. its all coming out now because someone, somewhere has decided that it can, not journalists, not the government and its probably to deflect or remove any attention from something much more recent or ongoing.. Duckinfield is taking the fall and is probably going to take the rap for the cover up and false information, he was a chief super at the time, miles and miles down the pecking order.. do you really think he was the 'big man'  remember less senior officers who were involved have gone on to much bigger and better things with friends in very high places.. hung out to dry, oh yes!!!!! might be that he is very ill and might be to save his pension and other incomes??? might even be stripped of his pension but have it made up from other sources?? always look past the first person in authority who makes a balls up...then the second and the third until you hit the 'stop' sign because that's as far as the shit will be going, whatever happens.. |
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Post by alexdire on Mar 19, 2015 21:37:09 GMT 1
Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. No I understand all of this mate, really do. But there's more to it for me.. Global economics are often beyond the control of the UK.. The North was built on Wool/Cotton and coal, the wool and cotton trade died off with cheaper imports/exports/labour abroad and would you rather be sat in a house now that was powered by coal instead of your nice central heating? People in the mining towns blame The Tories for pit closures etc, but there wasn't an economic need as I understand it. Plus the unions didn't help - Labour let that spiral way out of control initially. Where Thatcher kind of narks me, is that she failed to supply a suitable alternative for work. The Tories managed to pop a few car manufacturing plants here n there, but nothing much else. It probably all goes back to WW2 and that Britain was skint? Perhaps we couldn't afford to keep up with moving technologies, and everything we'd built our country on had died off - including the shipyards in Liverpool and Glasgow. Thatcher carries the can because it all came to a head in the 80's where things changed. Those changes in the 70's and 80's gave strength to the Ulster, Plaid Cymru and SNP lot and has sadly disenfranchised the rest of the UK from the South East which carries WAY too much power now. That is my main gripe with current politics is that everything is London-Centric, and I'd prefer that everything was spread out over the UK. Towns are thriving down in the South East but really genuinely dieing up here - Rochdale for example is like a scene from the walking dead and Huddersfield is getting there... So when I listen to George Osbourne talk about creating a 'Northern Powerhouse' it intrigues me - do I trust him? Not really... But I fear for the likes of Halifax, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Oldham, Rochdale etc and my vote will go to whomever can create a better North for us, and for Scotland. It doesn't matter to me if it's The Tories, Lib Dems and Labour - I just wish someone would do it. The reason there are no shipyards is because every time you buy a Korean electronic product you are subsidising Korean ship building. Due to this they can make ships at cost price to keep market share and no advanced country can compete. |
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remember less senior officers who were involved have gone on to much bigger and better things with friends in very high places..