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Post by townfan on Mar 19, 2015 21:38:17 GMT 1
You could write exactly the same about Tory voters...but you didn't ? tbh, I don't think this is true any more..there's so much more info on the 'net for people to work out who says what ..I also disagree they are the same, Labour still tend to have workers conditions first, and social and welfare are a higher priority...whereas the Tories would sell everything off to private sector in return for the donations they make to Tory party funds.. Capitalism is destined to cause total disaster, leads to massive division between the have's and the have nots and by it's very nature is exploitative. At some stage it will all implode...and then the private yachts and jets will be heading off to the Bahamas while the rest of us stew in the mess that's left behind. opinions are divided, and some are stronger than others (amongst Town fans), so that's why I'm surpised the Town Ambassador has been linked to jason Mccartney's election campaign...surely not a clever idea for a football club in a working class town which is already losing dissaffected fans..? I agree with elements of what you say, and yes I could say it of the Tory voters, but it seems truer for the Labour ones - especially around these parts, plus I don't know anyone who votes Tory based on their parents, I know plenty of Labour ones though. I think we saw at the last election, the numbers are decreasing in voters and that the majority of young voters don't know what they're voting for irrespective of whether the info is there or not. On Town, I agree, I don't think they should nail their colours to any mast, hopefully if they do it with Jason McCartney, then they should do it with the rest - bar the BNP!Why shouldn't they. Not seen the leaflet, but does it say Huddersfield Town support the Tories or is it 2 individuals giving support to a local MP who has maybe supported them in his time? Either way it is their decision on who they support. I personally will make my own mind up and won't be influenced because Boothy and Dean have supported candidate A or B.  |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 21:43:10 GMT 1
If town have knowingly become involved in a political party's general election propaganda I reckon that's abhorrent. IF
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Post by yorkie1 on Mar 19, 2015 21:43:38 GMT 1
Born and bred Labour but I would not cast a vote. Labour is no longer Labour. Its a sort of 'Tory Lite' with a load of Oxbridge educated millionaires trying to tell the rest of us they know what it is like to be hard up and working class. They then feather their nests even more.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 19, 2015 21:48:13 GMT 1
How can you presume Huddersfield is a working class (Labour) town when clearly half the town has voted for a Tory MP. And for what its worth Jason McCartney is an excellent MP for Huddersfield to have. Thanks for your views Jason You're welcome! Funnily enough I'm very much a floating voter and therefore a pollsters nightmare. MCCartney does seem a good MP though and alternative is Jane East who i suspect has a big union waiting to tell her what to do once in power. |
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Post by detox on Mar 19, 2015 21:49:24 GMT 1
Wasn't meant to become a thread of political opinions because I know how strong some people hold their views and beliefs, on all sides. I have mine sure, but all the more reason for Town to keep out of any 'perceived' allegience to any political party. I was surpised to see the Town links in jason's election bumph, but he is a professional photo opportunity candidate for the tories and will exploit whatever links he can..yes, he's a Town fan (he says) but has he manipulated the club into 'appearing' to support him ...and his party ? If he has, then he's exploited that link for his own advantage regardless of the potential implications for the club..self interest over the welfare of Town ? Sounds like a true Tory to me...
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 19, 2015 21:50:40 GMT 1
Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. The full outrages of the Tories under Thatcher are just becoming apparent.. I mean we knew she ordered the sinking of the Belgrano as it was sailing away. We knew what she did to the mining communities... But the rape and murder of children ? Wow ... No one saw that one coming ! ... The cover ups around Hillsborough particularly got on my goat and good to see ( although 26 years too late for the families) Duckinfield admit what most football supporters knew for years... That he presided over a hideous botch job and then the establishment covered it up with lies... Horrendous |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 21:52:06 GMT 1
Wasn't meant to become a thread of political opinions because I know how strong some people hold their views and beliefs, on all sides. I have mine sure, but all the more reason for Town to keep out of any 'perceived' allegience to any political party. I was surpised to see the Town links in jason's election bumph, but he is a professional photo opportunity candidate for the tories and will exploit whatever links he can..yes, he's a Town fan (he says) but has he manipulated the club into 'appearing' to support him ...and his party ? If he has, then he's exploited that link for his own advantage regardless of the potential implications for the club..self interest over the welfare of Town ? Sounds like a true Tory to me... Yes it would be interesting to see how many games Jason used to watch when he was a minion on calendar |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 19, 2015 21:54:24 GMT 1
The full outrages of the Tories under Thatcher are just becoming apparent.. I mean we knew she ordered the sinking of the Belgrano as it was sailing away. We knew what she did to the mining communities... But the rape and murder of children ? Wow ... No one saw that one coming ! ... The cover ups around Hillsborough particularly got on my goat and good to see ( although 26 years too late for the families) Duckinfield admit what most football supporters knew for years... That he presided over a hideous botch job and then the establishment covered it up with lies... Horrendous I suggest you delve a little into what was going on during the Labour (Blair) years and specifically Dunblaine. Why was a D Notice applied to this event? Don't worry, Google will point you in the right direction. Regardless, the abuse of children is horrific and unfortunately seems to know no political boundaries. Lets hope that a thorough investigation roots out these evil people and delivers severe justice. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 22:00:18 GMT 1
I suggest you delve a little into what was going on during the Labour (Blair) years and specifically Dunblaine. Why was a D Notice applied to this event? Don't worry, Google will point you in the right direction. Regardless, the abuse of children is horrific and unfortunately seems to know no political boundaries. Lets hope that a thorough investigation roots out these evil people and delivers severe justice. Mate I'm no defender of the Labour Party and / or Tony Bliar ... As yet the Dunblane stuff is Internet speculation... The stuff in the eighties is obviously going to blow soon ... But I agree whoever the perpetrators and the cover uppers , whatever party they belong to, they need to be brought to book... I just remember all them Thatcher pronouncements about " family values" .. All the while she was covering all this shit up... That woman was immoral |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 22:00:23 GMT 1
Osborne's 'austerity' is cynical exploitation of the financial crisis to force through his neoliberal agenda: maximising profits for capital while socialising risk. Only mugs and multi-millionaires will vote for more.
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Post by netterriers4 on Mar 19, 2015 22:19:57 GMT 1
The thing I like most about LabCon politics is when the millionaire sneers at other millionaires for being privately educated millionaires.
None of them have ever had a real job, none have ever had to choose between eating or heating and never will. Most MPs role off to non exec directorships - including 99% of the Labour blokes.
I want the country to promote hard work. I want the country to let people keep more of their hard earned income. I want the country to help those who are genuinely in need on the condition they do all they can to help themselves. I want a health and welfare system that recognises contribution or not. I want a country that has a parliament that represents the views of its people in a way first past the post can't ever.
And one other thing that REALLY gets my goat is when the press and the left call a benefit reduction a tax. It's not.
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Post by netterriers4 on Mar 19, 2015 22:22:19 GMT 1
Wasn't meant to become a thread of political opinions because I know how strong some people hold their views and beliefs, on all sides. I have mine sure, but all the more reason for Town to keep out of any 'perceived' allegience to any political party. I was surpised to see the Town links in jason's election bumph, but he is a professional photo opportunity candidate for the tories and will exploit whatever links he can..yes, he's a Town fan (he says) but has he manipulated the club into 'appearing' to support him ...and his party ? If he has, then he's exploited that link for his own advantage regardless of the potential implications for the club..self interest over the welfare of Town ? Sounds like a true Tory to me... At least he is visible and a local. Sheerman is a southerner who only ever appears at election time. I have had cause to ask for his help and you would think I had shit in his hat!! Put a red rosette on a wheelie bin in Hudds and it would get voted in. |
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Post by netterriers4 on Mar 19, 2015 22:23:07 GMT 1
Born and bred Labour but I would not cast a vote. Labour is no longer Labour. Its a sort of 'Tory Lite' with a load of Oxbridge educated millionaires trying to tell the rest of us they know what it is like to be hard up and working class. They then feather their nests even more. Nail. Head. All the same mate. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 19, 2015 22:26:39 GMT 1
Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. Ah yes, good old working class Ed in his £2m London pad with 2 kitchens!!! Compared to cameron, that IS working class. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 19, 2015 22:37:50 GMT 1
Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. The full outrages of the Tories under Thatcher are just becoming apparent.. I mean we knew she ordered the sinking of the Belgrano as it was sailing away. We knew what she did to the mining communities... But the rape and murder of children ? Wow ... No one saw that one coming ! ... The cover ups around Hillsborough particularly got on my goat and good to see ( although 26 years too late for the families) Duckinfield admit what most football supporters knew for years... That he presided over a hideous botch job and then the establishment covered it up with lies... Horrendous I hated Thatcher and the Tories and agree with much of what you say here, but her stance on the Falklands war was the one thing that I agreed with. The sinking of the Belgrano was absolutely correct and potentially saved many British lives by effectively put the Argentine navy out of action. The fact that it was sailing away at that point didn't mean it wouldn't have turned back. Two other Argentine warships were disabled in that attack and limped back to port, and there they stayed. |
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Post by deo1 on Mar 19, 2015 22:46:38 GMT 1
If town have aligned themselves with the Tories it doesn't surprise me at all. The club is very good at scoring spectacular own goals and this is another one from them, I don't know what the thinking behind it is but they should stay well clear of politics IMO. They've done it with the Rope Walk bullying with Clibbens and Jarvis I think tweeting things which made them look pathetic and now they're getting the town brand on McCartney's leaflet it beggars belief. Also I don't remember him in the dark days of administration banging the town drum and wanted to be involved same too with that Bolt from the Mirfield area. They all like jumping on the bandwagon trying to ride the town  , pathetic on from all parties concerned. |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 19, 2015 22:47:17 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say  That's cos you're sensible. I'm voting tory on the basis that it will clearly piss off the left whingers on here. Its a good enough reason for me. Plus Milliband is a clown. And Cameron is a c*** Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by deo1 on Mar 19, 2015 22:51:56 GMT 1
The Tories inherited a nightmare and are making steady progress - just like Deano! Deano didn't inherit a nightmare, he bought a club that were on course to break even in the near future. Also the Tories have done quite a good job of extending the nightmare they apparently inherited that had nothing to do with the years of them selling the Crown Jewels of British services and privatisation of anything that they could make a quick buck out of that were envied the world over. Just look at the post office sale last year,what a piss take that was!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 22:52:45 GMT 1
I'm voting UKIP
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Post by shawsie on Mar 19, 2015 22:56:05 GMT 1
Christ - fresh from bemoaning town, dean and the board we are now having a discussion on the biggest leeches in society!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 22:57:13 GMT 1
Went to an event in Wakefield a couple of weeks back to mark 30yrs since the end of the miners strike. Remarkable memories and reminders of the brutality of that strike. For those who think Thatcher did OK for this country then I suggest you read some of the poisonous and despicable things she did in that period but more importantly her tactics in preparing for it... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_strike_(1984%E2%80%9385)For all the so called benefits that people say about the strengths of the unions being broken, are we living in a better & fairer society or are you all right Jack? Privatisation & de-regulation. If you now find yourself moaning about why these companies aren't investing in infrastructure or that communities are now isolated because there's only 1 bus a week then just remember it's because the profits don't belong to the country any longer... The even sadder reality is that if were to see a u-turn in Thatcherist policies the things are so damned broken it will take yrs to recover & aided by our here & now society people don't look beyond the next 12 months so it will all be one huge failure... Unfortunately due to the shameless sell off of everything that wasn't nailed down we can only view this hypothetically from one side, whilst the ones who applaud Thatcher will still refer to the 70's because by the time Labour regained office the political landscape (& the media control & channels) had changed beyond recognition for most normal folk... Cameron has done a pretty good job of finishing things off with the Royal Mail & allowing tax loopholes for the rich whilst squeezing everything that bit more for the less well off... Back to the original point - I think if any Town Chairman ever nailed their politics to the mast it would have quite an impact. I can only hope this thing was a Q of Jason McCartney asking Dean for an autograph with Dean not realising he had signed it on carbon paper and underneath was a hidden consent form... My final say on politics/football/friendship is simply that the majority on here would have formed friendships and been Town supporters long before they became truly politically aware & if we go on to develop differing political views it shouldn't signal the end of those friendships and camaraderie... |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 19, 2015 22:57:59 GMT 1
What's the Dunblane cover up, I haven't heard owt . But when it happened the tories were in power. It's a genuine question.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 19, 2015 23:01:59 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say That's cos you're sensible. I'm voting tory on the basis that it will clearly piss off the left whingers on here. Its a good enough reason for me. Plus Milliband is a clown.I'l not vote Tory but on that point I agree with you. If Labour had have voted his brother David as leader when they had the chance then they'd probably be looking at a sizeable majority now, but instead there stuck with probably their most unpopular leader since Michael Foot and the prospect of losing virtually all their seats up here in Scotland to the bloody SNP. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 19, 2015 23:02:52 GMT 1
the nations 'needs'  vote on my friend.. unfortunately there is nobody to vote for who gives a shite about the nations needs.. its a bit like voting for a kick in the nads or a punch in the face, neither will do you much good, its a question of which does the least harm... I guess those that vote labour because they still hate thatcher or who vote tory because they hate blair will believe they have a valid point.. blair was in my opinion the first prime minister who could clearly have represented either of the two main parties, brown almost the same and Cameron definitely...different upbringings but merging into one mind once in politics..they just all buy votes from different sections of the population before leaving to take up massively paid directorships or made up posts.. I find statistics pretty dull but its clearly the job of the future, you just look at em and change what they mean its fantastic.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 23:06:28 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 23:06:41 GMT 1
I don't believe the Scottish situation is a Q of Milliband losing them seats, it's about the SNP gaining them on the back of their 'almost got there' moment last yr.
Imagine if we were to have similar independence votes up here and other areas to free us from the shackles of Westminster and the South East - do you think we'd vote to remain under those shackles or would we try and forge our own path?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 23:06:44 GMT 1
The thing I like most about LabCon politics is when the millionaire sneers at other millionaires for being privately educated millionaires. None of them have ever had a real job, none have ever had to choose between eating or heating and never will. Most MPs role off to non exec directorships - including 99% of the Labour blokes. I want the country to promote hard work. I want the country to let people keep more of their hard earned income. I want the country to help those who are genuinely in need on the condition they do all they can to help themselves. I want a health and welfare system that recognises contribution or not. I want a country that has a parliament that represents the views of its people in a way first past the post can't ever. And one other thing that REALLY gets my goat is when the press and the left call a benefit reduction a tax. It's not. I can't argue with a word of that. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 19, 2015 23:10:22 GMT 1
That's cos you're sensible. I'm voting tory on the basis that it will clearly piss off the left whingers on here. Its a good enough reason for me. Plus Milliband is a clown.I'l not vote Tory but on that point I agree with you. If Labour had have voted his brother David as leader when they had the chance then they'd probably be looking at a sizeable majority now, but instead there stuck with probably their most unpopular leader since Michael Foot and the prospect of losing virtually all their seats up here in Scotland to the bloody SNP. Yeah Labour appointing Ed Milliband was political suicide... He has an odd voice... With his future in the hands of such an unsophisticated electorate that will be enough to ensure he never gets the keys to number 10 |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 19, 2015 23:10:34 GMT 1
the nations 'needs' vote on my friend.. unfortunately there is nobody to vote for who gives a shite about the nations needs.. its a bit like voting for a kick in the nads or a punch in the face, neither will do you much good, its a question of which does the least harm... I guess those that vote labour because they still hate thatcher or who vote tory because they hate blair will believe they have a valid point.. blair was in my opinion the first prime minister who could clearly have represented either of the two main parties, brown almost the same and Cameron definitely...different upbringings but merging into one mind once in politics..they just all buy votes from different sections of the population before leaving to take up massively paid directorships or made up posts.. I find statistics pretty dull but its clearly the job of the future, you just look at em and change what they mean its fantastic..Same in football really. Part of the role of a head of football operations so I hear.  |
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Post by philincalifornia on Mar 19, 2015 23:13:57 GMT 1
Born and bred Labour but I would not cast a vote. Labour is no longer Labour. Its a sort of 'Tory Lite' with a load of Oxbridge educated millionaires trying to tell the rest of us they know what it is like to be hard up and working class. They then feather their nests even more. Excellent post mate. It's been going on for about twenty years now, and some people still haven't noticed that the labour party, and the Democrat party here have been taken over by f*cking phony left-wing freaks spouting phony lovey lovey shit, 'cos they couldn't get a real job if they tried. |
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