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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 0:31:12 GMT 1
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Post by benhomly on Mar 20, 2015 0:44:51 GMT 1
I wouldn't bother voting if there was a polling station in my back garden. To a man (or woman) they're all a bunch of liars and cheats who can never answer a straight question and rarely carry out what they say they're going to do.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 20, 2015 1:12:46 GMT 1
We were the same colours under Our 'Arold ... It wouldn't surprise me if football club owners and footballers/ex-footballers voted Tory. I'm always surprised on the political discussions on this very board that most contributors appear to be right-wing (as I'd consider Huddersfield a working-class town and traditionally Labour stronghold). This could be a long thread. Yeah right wing on immigrants but I bet they aren't overly right wing on other things...don't let the Captain see this thread. Well mate i read the first few posts and it immediately stunk of the usual small-minded, inverted snobbery bollocks about being 'working class' , so skipped the rest. Not sure why the club have got involved in politics. Seems a strange thing to do. |
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Post by impact on Mar 20, 2015 1:16:51 GMT 1
Green is the only left of centre party going these days, the only one that hasn't been completely cuckolded by big business. That's why I joined a few months ago. Thatcher's greatest victory was the creation of Tony Blair and 'The Third Way (ie Diet Tory). Milliband has far more substance than Cameron will ever have but he's a complete geek so the right wing press have slaughtered him. He also regularly shreds 'Call Me Dave' in PMQs but this is never reported by the Tory dominated media. Anyone who thinks Cameron's cabal have got Britain 'back on its feet' is politically illiterate. The economy was growing when they came into power, 2 years after the biggest banking crisis in human history and despite Gideon Osbourne talking up us 'doing a Greece' for political reasons. Then they stopped capital investment and slashed spending and we entered a deep recession. Cutting spending in a recession for ideological reasons is morally repugnant. Hundreds of thousands of young people have spent the last 7 years in an absolutely vicious jobs market dominated by zero hour contracts and workfare and consequently have no skills and a bleak future. I was made redundant in 2011 and it took me nearly 3 years to get back on my feet. Saying that you vote Tory because Labour are nearly as bad defies logic. Why not vote for a party that will actually try and change things rather than business as usual? Not many options granted but there are some (and UKIP certainly isn't one of them). To go back to the original point, very very poor form from Hoyle and Booth to get involved in electioneering for anyone, especially the Tories. A couple of economic inaccuracies in here. The economy was growing, but very slowly when the Tories took power. However they certainly did not take us into a recession, never mind a deep recession. That was in 2008 and 2009. We did not have a double-dip recession. VAT got raised to 20% after labour's 15% experiment failed miserably so although it was mostly cuts, it wasn't entirely. Also, I don't see how cutting spending in a recession is 'morally repugnant'? We had a budget deficit of 160bn in 2010, something had to be done, and it couldn't all be done in tax. It's now 90bn so I'd say they'd done fairly well on that front. Unemployment has reduced by a quarter as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 1:16:51 GMT 1
Why is it strange that Thatcher still gets the blame? She set many things in motion when in office that still have far reaching effects today & no doubt many of these will continue into the future. Folk are right when they say she transformed the UK but it's then divided opinion on whether it was for better or worse... Because Thatcher was decades ago and there have been multiple Labor governments since then so if everything she did was horrible why was it not reversed by the blessed Labor leaders? Of course those Labor leaders have nothing to do with anything going on today but someone who was voted out 20 odd years ago is to blame for everything. Wake up and smell the roses. The partisan shite is what keeps the population divided and allows this crap to go on. Same in the USA. There are people who blindly vote the same party every election because that is how their parents voted. Pay attention to what is going on, listen to both sides of an argument and make your own mind up. Then vote accordingly for who you think is the best person. Both the UK and the USA get the Governments they deserve. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 2:12:20 GMT 1
I feel totally disenfranchised by the UK's first past the post voting system - especially after Nu-Labour overthrew the Labour party and each main party became became a variant of Tory light. Any other party, apart from the main three, has little or no chance of any reasonable representation.
Her in NZ it's quite different - Kiwi's have proportional representation so any party getting more than 5% of the vote gets a proportional number of seats in Parliament. My vote here for NZ First (a a more enlightened Kiwi version of Ukip) really counts, or at least I feel it does - my overseas vote in the UK election, were it for Ukip or the greens, almost certainly would not.
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Post by Solid Snake on Mar 20, 2015 3:06:06 GMT 1
Born and bred Labour but I would not cast a vote. Labour is no longer Labour. Its a sort of 'Tory Lite' with a load of Oxbridge educated millionaires trying to tell the rest of us they know what it is like to be hard up and working class. They then feather their nests even more. Me neither. Agreed. Think I shall be boycotting the vote once again. Good thread though. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Mar 20, 2015 3:17:01 GMT 1
Born and bred Labour but I would not cast a vote. Labour is no longer Labour. Its a sort of 'Tory Lite' with a load of Oxbridge educated millionaires trying to tell the rest of us they know what it is like to be hard up and working class. They then feather their nests even more. Me neither. Agreed. Think I shall be boycotting the vote once again. Good thread though. I'm not telling you how you should live your lives, but if you really think that (and I fully agree with you), you should vote against them. That's why you have a vote. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 20, 2015 4:06:23 GMT 1
And not voting for tory lite is one vote less that the real tory party needs to gain a seat. People around the world have fought for the right to vote, each to their own but I find it disappointing that someone chooses not to use it when millions elsewhere are deprived of the opportunity.
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Post by patfield on Mar 20, 2015 7:48:23 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. Nobody who isn't a millionaire has any reason to vote Tory. People who do,and put the Tories in Govt, are just laughed at by the elitist rich tax dodging lying cheating sneering coke snorting  henry Tory Tw*ts... never understood working class people voting Tory...must be a snobbish thing ? Cant agree with you detox, I shall be voting Tory this time. Look what happened the last time labour got in, dropped us right in the shit biggest peacetime debt. The tories with their shrew economic sense have halfed the deficit and continue to get us back on track. I wouldn't trust milliband to run a bath let alone the country. I'm working class. Cut your cloth is what my dad always taught me. |
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Post by patfield on Mar 20, 2015 7:54:54 GMT 1
The thing I like most about LabCon politics is when the millionaire sneers at other millionaires for being privately educated millionaires. None of them have ever had a real job, none have ever had to choose between eating or heating and never will. Most MPs role off to non exec directorships - including 99% of the Labour blokes. I want the country to promote hard work. I want the country to let people keep more of their hard earned income. I want the country to help those who are genuinely in need on the condition they do all they can to help themselves. I want a health and welfare system that recognises contribution or not. I want a country that has a parliament that represents the views of its people in a way first past the post can't ever. And one other thing that REALLY gets my goat is when the press and the left call a benefit reduction a tax. It's not. Heating or eating my arse (excuse the double entendre) A lot of these people on the breadline sit griping about it, drinking and smoking away their life while sat watching sky tv on their 50 inch plasmas. I saw a guy on tv going to the foodbank smoking with his super dry t shirt on. Get yourself to Primark , give up the tabs and maybe you could afford a good meal you tosser. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Mar 20, 2015 8:03:29 GMT 1
With 2 months to go before the election, I can see this thread having legs for a while!
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 20, 2015 8:51:36 GMT 1
Chippendale, You're splitting hairs there, OK so Ralph Miliband wasn't a Communist but he was the next best thing - a frigging Marxist. But a Marxist who accumulated vast wealth. When he died, his widow and sons used a tax avoidance measure to reduce the tax they were liable to pay on his property portfolio. These are the same Milibands who have been castigating others for legally avoiding tax. 'Do as I say, not as I do.' |
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 20, 2015 8:59:04 GMT 1
Cant agree with you detox, I shall be voting Tory this time.Look what happened the last time labour got in, dropped us right in the shit biggest peacetime debt. The tories with their shrew economic sense have halfed the deficit and continue to get us back on track. I wouldn't trust milliband to run a bath let alone the country. I'm working class. Cut your cloth is what my dad always taught me. The UK government is refusing to publish at least four other files on historic child abuse because it’s worried about what information may be revealed ahead of May's general election. "Nick Clegg and David Cameron have colluded in covering this up. It involves their people Read If you think the Westminster paedo plot was confined to the Tories and Liberals, you haven't googled hard enough. Plenty of Labour involvement in that as well. Ironically the MP who originally tried to expose the thing was a Huddersfield MP, Geoffrey Dickens. And, also ironically, he was a Tory. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 9:12:03 GMT 1
Cant agree with you detox, I shall be voting Tory this time.Look what happened the last time labour got in, dropped us right in the shit biggest peacetime debt. The tories with their shrew economic sense have halfed the deficit and continue to get us back on track. I wouldn't trust milliband to run a bath let alone the country. I'm working class. Cut your cloth is what my dad always taught me. The UK government is refusing to publish at least four other files on historic child abuse because it’s worried about what information may be revealed ahead of May's general election. "Nick Clegg and David Cameron have colluded in covering this up. It involves their people Read Google "Tony Blair D-notice". |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 20, 2015 9:29:03 GMT 1
Green is the only left of centre party going these days, the only one that hasn't been completely cuckolded by big business. That's why I joined a few months ago. Thatcher's greatest victory was the creation of Tony Blair and 'The Third Way (ie Diet Tory). Milliband has far more substance than Cameron will ever have but he's a complete geek so the right wing press have slaughtered him. He also regularly shreds 'Call Me Dave' in PMQs but this is never reported by the Tory dominated media. Anyone who thinks Cameron's cabal have got Britain 'back on its feet' is politically illiterate. The economy was growing when they came into power, 2 years after the biggest banking crisis in human history and despite Gideon Osbourne talking up us 'doing a Greece' for political reasons. Then they stopped capital investment and slashed spending and we entered a deep recession. Cutting spending in a recession for ideological reasons is morally repugnant. Hundreds of thousands of young people have spent the last 7 years in an absolutely vicious jobs market dominated by zero hour contracts and workfare and consequently have no skills and a bleak future. I was made redundant in 2011 and it took me nearly 3 years to get back on my feet. Saying that you vote Tory because Labour are nearly as bad defies logic. Why not vote for a party that will actually try and change things rather than business as usual? Not many options granted but there are some (and UKIP certainly isn't one of them). To go back to the original point, very very poor form from Hoyle and Booth to get involved in electioneering for anyone, especially the Tories. A couple of economic inaccuracies in here. The economy was growing, but very slowly when the Tories took power. However they certainly did not take us into a recession, never mind a deep recession. That was in 2008 and 2009. We did not have a double-dip recession. VAT got raised to 20% after labour's 15% experiment failed miserably so although it was mostly cuts, it wasn't entirely. Also, I don't see how cutting spending in a recession is 'morally repugnant'? We had a budget deficit of 160bn in 2010, something had to be done, and it couldn't all be done in tax. It's now 90bn so I'd say they'd done fairly well on that front. Unemployment has reduced by a quarter as well. There were 5 quarters of consecutive growth before the Coalition came in; 0.2%, 0.4%, 0.5%, 1%, & 0.6%. That 1% growth in the second quarter of 2010 was the highest growth of any quarter since Q4 2005. The best single quarter since has been 0.8%. So that's not exactly very slow growth. The figures are here: www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=IHYQ&dataset=pn2&table-id=A1You're right that the Coalition didn't take us into recession, I thought they had. Maybe the figures were revised later as I thought I'd read that. In the 4 quarters from Q4 2011 to Q4 2012 though there was only 1 quarter of growth, 1 of stagnation and 2 quarters of a shrinking economy. They were very close to a recession there. The reason why I called cutting spending in a recession morally repugnant is because it was for ideological reasons. You missed that bit out. Spending had to be cut, but they put an immediate stop to all capital expenditure projects regardless of need, because that's what they do. Cut the state down to the bone. Choking off supply in a recession stalls the economy at the time of most need and throws people on the scrapheap. That's why I called it morally repugnant, in people terms, which is what really matters, not dry political phrases like recession and stagnation. That's people that can't afford to heat their homes, diabetics dying because they can't afford to buy insulin because they can't get work. Did you ever see the Question Time with Owen Jones and Duncan Smith where Owen Jones started naming people that killed themself because of benefit sanctions and the repercussions of the bedroom tax. IDS's face contorted with a look of disgust and said something along the lines of 'you didn't say anything about these people when they were rotting away'. That's the face of this government for me, nasty and vindictive and convinced with an almost evangelical fervour that they are right. And this is from a man that has taken from spousal and public funds all his life. He's one of the biggest hypocrites in British politics, which is quite something. And talk of the deficit is completely overblown when we control our own money supply, as the Bank of England can print more money. Like they did with the hundreds of billions of pounds of quantitative easing a few years ago that went straight to the banks. Think of what that could have done to the economy, rather than propping up balance sheets. That should have been a national scandal. I don't believe any of the unemployment figures, they've been fiddled for decades. Job Centre staff are pushed to sanction people, at which point they're off the unemployment figures. Thousands are working for free with Workfare. And there are 4.6m people self employed (http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_374941.pdf). The Job Centre pushes people to register as self-employed so they're off the figures, and income for self-employed people has dropped 22% since 2008. And then there are all the people working part-time hours when they want full time work. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 20, 2015 9:29:58 GMT 1
Election bumph through the letter box from local Tory MP Jason McCartney today.....including photo of Dean Hoyle and supportive write up from Andy Booth... is this why we wear blue... Are Town a Tory club...might this explain the dissonance with 'working class' fans ? Blooming Tories..... Any chance you could put the leaflet on here? |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 20, 2015 9:30:19 GMT 1
This is a Town forum, right? I support the Blues.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 20, 2015 9:35:01 GMT 1
Look what happened the last time labour got in, dropped us right in the shit biggest peacetime debt. The tories with their shrew economic sense have halfed the deficit and continue to get us back on track. I wouldn't trust milliband to run a bath let alone the country. I'm working class. Cut your cloth is what my dad always taught me. They need to tame their shrew economic sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 9:43:22 GMT 1
It does make me laugh that some people seem to have it stuck in their head that Labour are a 'working class' party, they couldn't be further from it.
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 20, 2015 9:50:50 GMT 1
It does make me laugh that some people seem to have it stuck in their head that Labour are a 'working class' party, they couldn't be further from it. They could ... they could be Tories! I see the IFS are questioning Osborne's cutting of £12bn in welfare benefits and £5bn on investigating tax avoidance. Which do you think affects which people in society and which costs the country the most money? Take those eclipse blinkers off ... |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 20, 2015 9:50:55 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 20, 2015 10:13:09 GMT 1
That photo should be Labours entire manifesto because it seems to be the only decent argument they have to vote for them- 'look the tory's are toffs! Not working class like what we are!' Those lads probably have as many kitchens as Milliband!
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 20, 2015 10:14:08 GMT 1
OOOOH, naughty. Do you know it's actually illegal to publish that image? Don't worry, I wont tell anyone! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:18:43 GMT 1
I will be voting for the MP who I consider will serve my constituency best.Would love to see proportional representation but alas can't see it happening.
IMO No matter how disaffected folk feel about the various parties everyone needs to vote .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:27:56 GMT 1
What's Mr shearman done for huddersfield?
Sweet fa yet people will vote cos he's labour and they think they are working class
Saw a job advert the other day saying polish speaking warehouse staff wanted in leeds ........cheers labour!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:30:01 GMT 1
What's wrong with rich successful people running the country? ?
Should we pick our next pm from the Jeremy kyle show? ?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 20, 2015 10:34:52 GMT 1
What's wrong with rich successful people running the country? ? Should we pick our next pm from the Jeremy kyle show? ? Successful? As career politicians maybe. |
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Post by In sooth- - on Mar 20, 2015 10:43:01 GMT 1
Can we concentrate on the real issue of the day.
How left wing will our left back be tomorrow!
None of these right-footers in front of the Kilner Bank,please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:49:37 GMT 1
What's wrong with rich successful people running the country? ? Should we pick our next pm from the Jeremy kyle show? ? Well they'd at least be more honest than most politicians. |
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henry Tory Tw*ts... never understood working class people voting Tory...must be a snobbish thing ?
