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Post by Marshleeds on May 27, 2015 20:28:15 GMT 1
Can't believe it's not Blatter !
Who would have thought it eh? FIFA and corruption ? ....I was more surprised when I found out Terry Wogan was Irish !
Some seriously nervous people at the very top of football and not before time. Few arses will be twitching in Russia and Qatar too ....maybe the ultimate outcome will be a World Cup in England after all within the next 10 years or so?
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Post by wtd on May 27, 2015 20:45:15 GMT 1
Us the Germans and frogs and dutch should team up and boycott fifa We have let them get away with it too long If we treaten to pull out the sponsorship would collapse and something would have to change Bye bye sepp Should have done this years ago. None of them have got the bollocks. |
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Post by wtd on May 27, 2015 20:46:08 GMT 1
Can't believe it's not Blatter ! Who would have thought it eh? FIFA and corruption ? ....I was more surprised when I found out Terry Wogan was Irish ! Some seriously nervous people at the very top of football and not before time. Few arses will be twitching in Russia and Qatar too ....maybe the ultimate outcome will be a World Cup in England after all within the next 10 years or so?  |
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Post by softboy on May 27, 2015 21:35:39 GMT 1
Sepp Blater ----- just watched Britains Got Talent (I know no football and a night with the missus) - but Simon Cowell has just given away the magicians secret away on telly - how bad is that!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 21:38:08 GMT 1
Some fairly good news with UEFA calling for the election on Friday to be postponed, and questioning whether the Europeans will attend if FIFA presses ahead with it. A schism between Europe/ROTW has to bring the whole edifice crashing down.
Surely, surely money has to talk eventually.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 27, 2015 21:50:50 GMT 1
UEFA have been outspoken against FIFA and Blatter for a while...but not even sure they are overly trustworthy either but a probably damn site more trustworthy than FIFA!!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 22:00:34 GMT 1
UEFA have been outspoken against FIFA and Blatter for a while...but not even sure they are overly trustworthy either but a probably damn site more trustworthy than FIFA!! They've been mealy mouthed. A full split still wasn't in their interests. There's something of a cultural difference between European nations - where endemic corruption of this type in public life is relatively unusual - and parts of Asia, the Arab world and South America, where it is commonplace. But the structure of Fifa doesn't given the beating heart of world football a dominant say; maybe that's a good thing, philosophically speaking. We don't have an ownership of or divine right to the game. But some of the practices from our civil life simply are superior to those practised globally. We're not better people but our societies have greater oversight and press freedom that make Fifa's recent history totally unpalatable. Our cultural norms with regards to corruption, backhanders and kickbacks have to be adopted by global bodies. The IOC went through the same process twenty years ago, mainly because the yanks were involved in addition to the Europeans. With football, the Europeans are a diminished voice. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 22:47:08 GMT 1
Heard on 5live earlier that the Russians had issued a statement warning off the Yanks. Not surprised that this could escalate to something more political and obviously the successful bidder for 2018 is hardly going to side with the country that's investigating their bid. Also heard (in the distance from the TV in the other room), that Jack Warner has handed himself in? He's another Blatter-ite but even he seemed to be trying to distance himself in more recent yrs.
Doesn't matter how long ago Jack, or how you try, there's still a lot of historical mud will stick to you and all the other shysters...
Hope it goes to the root of this organisation and brings about wholesale changes, not before time...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 23:17:28 GMT 1
 7 officials have been arrested in Switzerland so far and will be extradited to the USA. 6 are trying to resist it but will fail, one has agreed (likely dobbing in others for plea bargain) 15 have been charged (including FIFA's Vice President Webb) 2 have admitted guilt already. Chuck Blazer acting as informant FIFA's HQ raided and hard drives/documents were seized. Years upon years of financial trails, wiretapped phonecalls, etc as evidence. Director of FBI, Attorney General and and Commissioner of IRS are all working together to take down FIFA. FIFA officials being charged under RICO |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 23:31:23 GMT 1
Re: RICO; Fifa officials are being charged under anti-mafia legislation, where the entire upper management of the organisation are found to be criminal, and anyone associated can be charged.
If the DoJ can prove that the criminal activity was systemic then all involved in that system can be tried for it. It is a way to get at somebody for a crime they ordered someone else to commit. It has the capability of shutting down entire corporations, extremely powerful. Essentially, Blatter will be extradited from anywhere that has a treaty with the US.
It needs to be stated that Russia 2018 is now very unlikely. Qatar 2022 is virtually impossible. I don't wish to be conspiratorial, but USA2022 was led by Clinton. It's not wise to humiliate a US President.
Their indictments in full:
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Post by philincalifornia on May 28, 2015 1:45:59 GMT 1
AFAIK Switzerland don't extradite for tax evasion... FBI must have something else up their sleeves. Bribery probably. or money laundering or something similar. Right, and as someone up-thread also mentioned, they could fight this and turn it into a never-ending circus, which is why the US will get them here and then get the evidence for tax evasion, which is inevitable with secret, laundered payments. Warner and his mate have already turned themselves in, so they're probably going to do a plea bargain deal to either stay out of jail or get lesser sentences. When thieves fall out !! bigstory.ap.org/article/8d06e110739f4942bcfc3a988dec76ba/soccer-world-shocked-fifa-raids |
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on May 28, 2015 6:53:39 GMT 1
Re: RICO; Fifa officials are being charged under anti-mafia legislation, where the entire upper management of the organisation are found to be criminal, and anyone associated can be charged. If the DoJ can prove that the criminal activity was systemic then all involved in that system can be tried for it. It is a way to get at somebody for a crime they ordered someone else to commit. It has the capability of shutting down entire corporations, extremely powerful. Essentially, Blatter will be extradited from anywhere that has a treaty with the US. It needs to be stated that Russia 2018 is now very unlikely. Qatar 2022 is virtually impossible. I don't wish to be conspiratorial, but USA2022 was led by Clinton. It's not wise to humiliate a US President.Their indictments in full: Wow that really would liven things up!! Is that your own personal view Rory ?? It's a top post. |
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Post by kennyk2 on May 28, 2015 7:06:44 GMT 1
Can't believe it's not Blatter ! Who would have thought it eh? FIFA and corruption ? ....I was more surprised when I found out Terry Wogan was Irish ! Some seriously nervous people at the very top of football and not before time. Few arses will be twitching in Russia and Qatar too ....maybe the ultimate outcome will be a World Cup in England after all within the next 10 years or so? Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey! From what I'm hearing from certain reporters and the media, they are looking for more evidence from who they've got already, so that they can charge Blatter. They just need somebody to "spill the canaries"! |
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Post by iangreaves on May 28, 2015 9:57:23 GMT 1
Can't believe it's not Blatter ! Who would have thought it eh? FIFA and corruption ? ....I was more surprised when I found out Terry Wogan was Irish ! Some seriously nervous people at the very top of football and not before time. Few arses will be twitching in Russia and Qatar too ....maybe the ultimate outcome will be a World Cup in England after all within the next 10 years or so? Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey! From what I'm hearing from certain reporters and the media, they are looking for more evidence from who they've got already, so that they can charge Blatter. They just need somebody to "spill the canaries"! As they are facing the prospect of spending the rest of their naturals in a US jail, Blazer and the rest of them will be singing like there's no tomorrow. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on May 28, 2015 10:12:29 GMT 1
Much as I would like to see the Qatar tournament dumped there is so much work going on building stadia etc I'm not sure they can just cancel the whole thing at this point. I would think Australia, as a continent that has never hosted it, would have a good case for being hosts if on eor both 2018 / 2022 get reallocated.
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Post by benmsmith4 on May 28, 2015 10:14:53 GMT 1
 The real human consequence of FIFA's complicity in human rights abuses. Over 1000 deaths. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 10:35:58 GMT 1
feck. thats a lot of deaths.
What I cannot for the life of me understand is how it's taken so long for one of the major governments to twig on to fifa. They come rolling into countries, bypassing the local laws with their own (under threat), raking in cash in brown envelopes, clearly not having a clue in regards to football, and yet nobody has been able to touch them. It's almost like they've set themselves up as a state in itself.
FIFA needs ripping apart and starting again. As it stands it is very much anti-football and needs re-examining.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 11:30:20 GMT 1
Re: RICO; Fifa officials are being charged under anti-mafia legislation, where the entire upper management of the organisation are found to be criminal, and anyone associated can be charged. If the DoJ can prove that the criminal activity was systemic then all involved in that system can be tried for it. It is a way to get at somebody for a crime they ordered someone else to commit. It has the capability of shutting down entire corporations, extremely powerful. Essentially, Blatter will be extradited from anywhere that has a treaty with the US. It needs to be stated that Russia 2018 is now very unlikely. Qatar 2022 is virtually impossible. I don't wish to be conspiratorial, but USA2022 was led by Clinton. It's not wise to humiliate a US President.Their indictments in full: Wow that really would liven things up!! Is that your own personal view Rory ?? It's a top post. My jaw dropped when I saw they were using RICO; it's only brought out when they're certain they can bring down the organisation. It's got a 95% conviction rate. That's why I think the future world cups are in jeopardy - there's every chance FIFA will be wound up as a criminal enterprise. Whatever body comes next will have to make some policy changes, and the unpopular and bloody Qatar WC will surely get the chop. |
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Post by kennyk2 on May 28, 2015 13:01:34 GMT 1
James Comey, FBI Director:
"If you touch our shores with your corrupt enterprise, whether that is through meetings or through using our world class financial system, you will be held accountable for that corruption."
Well said that man. It's just a pity that some of the so-called football-loving nations didn't pursue this corrupt regime with the same intensity.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 13:09:13 GMT 1
Anti Modern Football.
It's the future.
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Post by keithAM11532 on May 28, 2015 14:56:39 GMT 1
Its only a matter of time before the net extends to Blatter and the whole sorry house of cards will come crashing down. I see he has refused to resign, which in itself speaks volumes. Suppose for a second he is innocent, how could he possibly be the right man to lead world football if he has been unable to stop the corruption which has been in place for the whole of his tenure. He knows his time is up and a like a desperate man he is clinging to whatever he thinks is left in his own strange world. Tomorrow will be an interesting day.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on May 28, 2015 15:50:35 GMT 1
Its only a matter of time before the net extends to Blatter and the whole sorry house of cards will come crashing down. I see he has refused to resign, which in itself speaks volumes. Suppose for a second he is innocent, how could he possibly be the right man to lead world football if he has been unable to stop the corruption which has been in place for the whole of his tenure. He knows his time is up and a like a desperate man he is clinging to whatever he thinks is left in his own strange world. Tomorrow will be an interesting day. I notice in his quote he says it's "too late" to resign. To be that's either an acknowledgement of his guilt (unlikely) or he's hanging on in the belief that if he is re-elected then he will be able to cling on to power ? Does Rory or anyone else know why if there's any significance that this has come to light 3 days before the election ? |
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Post by wtd on May 28, 2015 15:52:15 GMT 1
How ironic that the nation once traditionally known for not taking to football is the one who has had the balls to come in and sort it out.
Good on the Americans, I say!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 16:19:16 GMT 1
How ironic that the nation once traditionally known for not taking to football is the one who has had the balls to come in and sort it out. Good on the Americans, I say! It might seem like this is a FIFA thing the way its being reported, but the reality of the United States investigation (seperate from the ongoing Swiss action into the 2018 and 2022 bids), is its an investigation into crimes perpetrated by CONCACAF and CONMEBOL, effectively covering North, Central and the South Americas. Its an American issue they're dealing with. So no great surprise or irony at all. |
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Post by wtd on May 28, 2015 16:39:14 GMT 1
How ironic that the nation once traditionally known for not taking to football is the one who has had the balls to come in and sort it out. Good on the Americans, I say! It might seem like this is a FIFA thing the way its being reported, but the reality of the United States investigation (seperate from the ongoing Swiss action into the 2018 and 2022 bids), is its an investigation into crimes perpetrated by CONCACAF and CONMEBOL, effectively covering North, Central and the South Americas. Its an American issue they're dealing with. So no great surprise or irony at all. Aaaaaw... spoil sport! |
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Post by philincalifornia on May 28, 2015 17:19:38 GMT 1
Its only a matter of time before the net extends to Blatter and the whole sorry house of cards will come crashing down. I see he has refused to resign, which in itself speaks volumes. Suppose for a second he is innocent, how could he possibly be the right man to lead world football if he has been unable to stop the corruption which has been in place for the whole of his tenure. He knows his time is up and a like a desperate man he is clinging to whatever he thinks is left in his own strange world. Tomorrow will be an interesting day. I notice in his quote he says it's "too late" to resign. To be that's either an acknowledgement of his guilt (unlikely) or he's hanging on in the belief that if he is re-elected then he will be able to cling on to power ? Does Rory or anyone else know why if there's any significance that this has come to light 3 days before the election ? The ones arrested in Switzerland were all at the same hotel which I'm sure made the logistics easier. |
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Post by philincalifornia on May 28, 2015 17:21:46 GMT 1
How ironic that the nation once traditionally known for not taking to football is the one who has had the balls to come in and sort it out. Good on the Americans, I say! It might seem like this is a FIFA thing the way its being reported, but the reality of the United States investigation (seperate from the ongoing Swiss action into the 2018 and 2022 bids), is its an investigation into crimes perpetrated by CONCACAF and CONMEBOL, effectively covering North, Central and the South Americas. Its an American issue they're dealing with. So no great surprise or irony at all. No, it seems like because they thought they could use the US Banking system for their "laundering (alleged)" they're going after all of FIFA: www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/sports/soccer/fifa-officials-arrested-on-corruption-charges-blatter-isnt-among-them.html?_r=0 |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:16:40 GMT 1
It might seem like this is a FIFA thing the way its being reported, but the reality of the United States investigation (seperate from the ongoing Swiss action into the 2018 and 2022 bids), is its an investigation into crimes perpetrated by CONCACAF and CONMEBOL, effectively covering North, Central and the South Americas. Its an American issue they're dealing with. So no great surprise or irony at all. No, it seems like because they thought they could use the US Banking system for their "laundering (alleged)" they're going after all of FIFA: www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/sports/soccer/fifa-officials-arrested-on-corruption-charges-blatter-isnt-among-them.html?_r=0Look at the infograph on that very page. *All* 17 names are from the americas. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:22:51 GMT 1
How ironic that the nation once traditionally known for not taking to football is the one who has had the balls to come in and sort it out. Good on the Americans, I say! Yes, but the Russkies are not happy about it. Putin interviewed today and complaining about meddling/interfering Yanks. There's war a-comin', Elmer!! |
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Post by philincalifornia on May 28, 2015 18:42:32 GMT 1
Look at the infograph on that very page. *All* 17 names are from the americas. I think (hope) this is just the beginning mate. |
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