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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 26, 2015 9:15:07 GMT 1
Just tell every player that its max £5k a week and i bet we would not be weaker for it. Do you actually believe that? You know, there are a few teams that have that approach, they play in League 2. Name me a team in the past 10 years that has paid it's players sub £5k across the board, and survived (or even reached) this division. Er, Rotherham right now. Thats not the point. The system is wrong, not the fans or attendances. I really dont mind being competitive in Div 2 now realising that we can never reach the Prem. The club is like family, its in your life for good or bad, its just you dont want to see it sick. If the only criteria for success is a rich owner throwing billions at it i am not interested. To me away at Crewe is no worse game than away at Charlton. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 9:35:28 GMT 1
Gary Neville claims that the only Yorkshire club he's visited in the last 5 years is.....Brighouse (to see them play Salford City).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 9:42:59 GMT 1
Do you actually believe that? You know, there are a few teams that have that approach, they play in League 2. Name me a team in the past 10 years that has paid it's players sub £5k across the board, and survived (or even reached) this division. Er, Rotherham right now. Thats not the point. The system is wrong, not the fans or attendances. I really dont mind being competitive in Div 2 now realising that we can never reach the Prem. The club is like family, its in your life for good or bad, its just you dont want to see it sick. If the only criteria for success is a rich owner throwing billions at it i am not interested. To me away at Crewe is no worse game than away at Charlton. So you think that all Rotherham players have sub £5000 p/wk wages? I can't tell you for a fact that they don't, and they didn't when they arrived in this division either. The Club ain't exactly firing on all cylinders, and there are big changes required in the attitudes of the backroom staff, but I would hardly say we are 'sick'. I agree though that the system is well and truly broken, of that there is no doubt. You think we'll never reach the Prem and I can understand that, as it stands we just do not and will not have the money to get there, but there are exceptions to the rule and quite often too, it all depends on us hitting the right balance on the pitch. Personally I think we will get there within the next 10 years, but that's just my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 10:07:28 GMT 1
Apologies as i haven't read the whole thread but i see Dean is saying that the choice is to put the extra tv money in to the squad or to subsidise ticket prices
Haven't we just banked 8 million? Surely that will be used to strengthen the squad (or some of it) and the tv money can then be put toward reducing admission price. Or am i missing something here?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 10:12:50 GMT 1
Apologies as i haven't read the whole thread but i see Dean is saying that the choice is to put the extra tv money in to the squad or to subsidise ticket prices Haven't we just banked 8 million? Surely that will be used to strengthen the squad (or some of it) and the tv money can then be put toward reducing admission price. Or am i missing something here? Not missing anything! Being sat in Canalside when he asked the room about what should be done - money spent on squad or reduction in tickets, the room went for squad 2:1. If Hoyle thinks that what all fans want he's wrong as those who go to Canalside week in week out are the die hard fans. I've said all along that when someone doesn't renew their ST the club should contact them, as many companies do if you cancel a contract. They'd learn a lot rather than Clibbens believing in inelastic/elastic pricing. As I've long said Town need a CEO football/sporting experience rather than an accountant. |
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Post by jimmymac on Sept 26, 2015 10:19:09 GMT 1
Said this before the people of Huddersfield arnt interested in the football club.....even if they opened the gates for nothing it wouldn't be much higher than what it is now....friend for a fiver ECT ect didn't work....DH is in a no win situation........
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Post by captainblack on Sept 26, 2015 10:36:09 GMT 1
Its a shame more fans are not attending the matches as we are playing some really decent football at the moment and if some of
the floating voters watched Town v Forest on Thursday I would like to think they would have been impressed. I have attended all
of the home games bar the Notts County game and in my opinion I have not witnessed a poor match yet.
We are in a very competitive league and I do not expect Town to comfortably beat every team we play I just want to be entertained
and see good football and up until now I have not been disappointed .
I think the sticking point is the pricing . For season ticket holders like myself I think the price is very reasonable its when
floating fans are faced with a price of £30 for some games that I can understand why some fans stay away.
I think we still do the "take 10 deal" (A little unsure if its called this) but possibly we could do a deal with fewer games Such as a "take 5 deal" maybe allowing 2 children in for free for certain games with this ticket. Its just an idea to bring in younger
supporters and try to stimulate more interest in Town.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 10:41:05 GMT 1
Apparently, its the least entertaining football we've played in the last 40 years, according to some. I must have been watching a different team for the last 30 years.
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Post by jimmymac on Sept 26, 2015 10:41:24 GMT 1
We have 10000 hard core support and that's it......we then have 3000 casual supporters like my self who go to a few games.....we then possibly have 1000 on the side lines if we are doing well they will go and that's our lot I,m afraid....we are small fry in this division but probably one of the biggest in the 3rd tier....lots of things have been tried to get the support in and it just doesn't happen.....when we were top of the championship in 2000 at Christmas and playing really well we only got 14000 town.....its a loosing battle I,m afraid and DH isn't going to win......the man is the dogs bollox to me.....the grief he gets is totally unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!;;!
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Post by captainblack on Sept 26, 2015 10:45:12 GMT 1
Apparently, its the least entertaining football we've played in the last 40 years, according to some. I must have been watching a different team for the last 30 years. I know and I find it a little difficult to understand the mindset of some fans or maybe its just me! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 11:19:22 GMT 1
Apparently, its the least entertaining football we've played in the last 40 years, according to some. I must have been watching a different team for the last 30 years. I'd say 2015 as a whole, well it's the least entertaining football played since Ritchie/Turnip! Must say the last two home games have been really good, i'd say because Powell has actually played a formation that suits us despite the deficiencies in the squad. Problem is getting fans through the gate isn't as simple as just entertaining football or price - it's the whole experience. Rather than ST holders attacking those 'floaters' who have valid reasons for not going, they should embrace their opinions as why they aren't coming. If they say it's too expensive then simply going 'well I think it's good value' doesn't really wash. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 26, 2015 11:38:32 GMT 1
Gary Neville claims that the only Yorkshire club he's visited in the last 5 years is.....Brighouse (to see them play Salford City). Is northern football on the brink of a demise. By Gary NevilleI also read that article, there are a lot of home truths in it. (imo) |
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Post by kes on Sept 26, 2015 11:42:17 GMT 1
I think a lot of fans have lost the belief that we can move to the next level. When we were in L1 we dreamed of one day soon reaching the prem league. Reality has bitten. The start to this season was bordering on a PR disaster - bookies favs for relegation, star players sold, rumours of Hoyle selling up etc, sky-high walk up prices have all contributed to falling attendances. I actually believe had the Forest game been today, not on sky and a good deal for non st holders, after the feel good factor of 2 wins the crowd would have been very decent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 11:55:50 GMT 1
Gary Neville claims that the only Yorkshire club he's visited in the last 5 years is.....Brighouse (to see them play Salford City). No he doesn't, he says he's been to a couple of Hull games too! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 12:13:17 GMT 1
Gary Neville claims that the only Yorkshire club he's visited in the last 5 years is.....Brighouse (to see them play Salford City). Is northern football on the brink of a demise. By Gary NevilleI also read that article, there are a lot of home truths in it. (imo) The old northern (and midlands) football powerhouses of the early to mid 20th century were created as football was then the working mans game. Arsenal were the first club to win the First Division outside that powerhouse in 1930 I believe. Society has changed since the 70's where you worked Mon-Fri and watched your team on a Saturday. More so it's the economic society whereby the once working mans game is very much for the middle classes in terms of income and expenditure. Economics has a huge role on crowds and the successes of football clubs. Huddersfield's average weekly income is the worst out of the top 60 towns and cities in the UK. No wonder people are struggling to afford and chose other activities over football. For me the blame does lie withing the Premier League and Sky. The agreement was detriment not only to English football but to the people whose game football is. The money the PL gets from TV deals doesn't filter into grass routes or down the leagues - it's wasted by clubs on wages. The PL spends double on wages than La Liga or the Bundesliga. Stan Collymore summed it up perfectly "When English football public realise Prem is about wealth creation, not safeguarding an English league or culture, it will be too late." |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 26, 2015 12:27:58 GMT 1
Is northern football on the brink of a demise. By Gary NevilleI also read that article, there are a lot of home truths in it. (imo) The old northern (and midlands) football powerhouses of the early to mid 20th century were created as football was then the working mans game. Arsenal were the first club to win the First Division outside that powerhouse in 1930 I believe. Society has changed since the 70's where you worked Mon-Fri and watched your team on a Saturday. More so it's the economic society whereby the once working mans game is very much for the middle classes in terms of income and expenditure. Economics has a huge role on crowds and the successes of football clubs. Huddersfield's average weekly income is the worst out of the top 60 towns and cities in the UK. No wonder people are struggling to afford and chose other activities over football. For me the blame does lie withing the Premier League and Sky. The agreement was detriment not only to English football but to the people whose game football is. The money the PL gets from TV deals doesn't filter into grass routes or down the leagues - it's wasted by clubs on wages. The PL spends double on wages than La Liga or the Bundesliga. Stan Collymore summed it up perfectly "When English football public realise Prem is about wealth creation, not safeguarding an English league or culture, it will be too late." It makes you think, that football is lost to the prawn sandwich brigade. |
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Post by oldhamhtfc on Sept 26, 2015 12:32:40 GMT 1
sorry but prices are horrendous,been following town since 1970,and im a lancastrian from oldham.not been yet this season,and not likely to go to many games.its not just town,its the prices at most football games,needs a boycott by fans to try and get the price down.3 or 4 saturdays where the fans dont turn up and show the discontent
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 12:45:33 GMT 1
sorry but prices are horrendous,been following town since 1970,and im a lancastrian from oldham.not been yet this season,and not likely to go to many games.its not just town,its the prices at most football games,needs a boycott by fans to try and get the price down.3 or 4 saturdays where the fans dont turn up and show the discontent Would make no difference whatsoever given 90%+ of fans have paid in advance for the entire season. |
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Post by terrier86 on Sept 26, 2015 12:51:31 GMT 1
I actually had a season ticket for 10+ years and went to away games as far as Gillingham, Bristol, Colchester etc but didn't bother renewing (funnily enough the season town got promoted to champ) as I didn't want to watch dire games anymore as the football under Grayson was rubbish to watch and I couldn't see us doing anything. Thankfully I was wrong, but after missing the deadline when tickets were £100 cheaper I didn't want to pay £450 so watch us pay dire football in the league above, albeit against better teams. The point from this being that since then, like many have said I have now got out of the habit and won't spend £30 or even £15 if its on TV. A lot will have a go at that, but I suspect many are the same and its the reality.
The main point from that though is, why do town set any early bird deadlines on season tickets? Potentially during the summer when I didn't renew I may have changed my mind and still been going now.
Also, totally agree about pay on the day prices. £30 is a joke, how many actually pay that? Maybe 500? If they reduced prices to £20 for a full season and only the same 500 still paid the maximum risk would be just over £100k or £2k a week. Town have spunked way more on players wages who have barely ever played so why not trial it for a whole season. Doing away with the promo prices the other way would then mitigate this risk to probs a max of £50k.
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Post by captainblack on Sept 26, 2015 12:56:17 GMT 1
I actually had a season ticket for 10+ years and went to away games as far as Gillingham, Bristol, Colchester etc but didn't bother renewing (funnily enough the season town got promoted to champ) as I didn't want to watch dire games anymore as the football under Grayson was rubbish to watch and I couldn't see us doing anything. Thankfully I was wrong, but after missing the deadline when tickets were £100 cheaper I didn't want to pay £450 so watch us pay dire football in the league above, albeit against better teams. The point from this being that since then, like many have said I have now got out of the habit and won't spend £30 or even £15 if its on TV. A lot will have a go at that, but I suspect many are the same and its the reality. The main point from that though is, why do town set any early bird deadlines on season tickets? Potentially during the summer when I didn't renew I may have changed my mind and still been going now. Also, totally agree about pay on the day prices. £30 is a joke, how many actually pay that? Maybe 500? If they reduced prices to £20 for a full season and only the same 500 still paid the maximum risk would be just over £100k or £2k a week. Town have spunked way more on players wages who have barely ever played so why not trial it for a whole season. Doing away with the promo prices the other way would then mitigate this risk to probs a max of £50k. Just looking at the number of your posts and "Sympathy for the devil" springs to mind. |
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Post by towntastic on Sept 26, 2015 12:58:38 GMT 1
Only just caught this thread so bit behind. Someone said it is Sky's fault - someone else said not. Of course it bloody well is and ridiculous to suggest it is not. The Sky money is disproportionately invested in better clubs which increases the inequality - other aspiring clubs then over stretch themselves to get to the Holy Lans and few succeed leading to financial catastrophe and/or ridiculous admission prices. It precisely mirrors our sick society where the richest 10% see a disproportionate increase in their wealth whilst everyone else is suffering - some of the 90% aspire to be better and over stretch themselves creating huge personal debts property booms and ultimately another financial crash. What hope do we have with Sky around for another few decades and the Tories in power until at least 2030 Time I finally made the move abroad not surprisingly baring in mind your politics, but you seem to be missing a crucial point- what happens to the sky money is FOOTBALLS fault, not sky's. Football could distribute the money in a way that none of your beefs happen, but FOOTBALL choses to give it to the big clubs and not share it around to the benefit of the game in general. If you give your nephew £100 for his birthday and he decides to go out and spend it on something utterly shite, it doesn't make it your fault!!! Its his! If he gave his nephew £100 and told him his birthday would have to change every year and he would let him know in good time, then make him appear infront of cameras to say how well hes doing or not, tell him that if someone else came along that he liked better then he would get the money and that each year he might have to change uncles to get it, then you may have a point. |
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Post by terrier86 on Sept 26, 2015 13:00:35 GMT 1
I actually realise the main impact of £20 is the income from away fans, so potentially why not have £30 for say the big 6 games a year with large away followings and £20 for all the rest. Also never been asked why I have never renewed, nor have any info through the post about future season tickets to try tempt me back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 13:12:18 GMT 1
Gary Neville claims that the only Yorkshire club he's visited in the last 5 years is.....Brighouse (to see them play Salford City). No he doesn't, he says he's been to a couple of Hull games too! Ah, come on......the Hull bit spoils the story line!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 13:19:12 GMT 1
I actually realise the main impact of £20 is the income from away fans, so potentially why not have £30 for say the big 6 games a year with large away followings and £20 for all the rest. Also never been asked why I have never renewed, nor have any info through the post about future season tickets to try tempt me back. Why did you stop renewing? |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 26, 2015 13:23:07 GMT 1
Apologies as i haven't read the whole thread but i see Dean is saying that the choice is to put the extra tv money in to the squad or to subsidise ticket prices Haven't we just banked 8 million? Surely that will be used to strengthen the squad (or some of it) and the tv money can then be put toward reducing admission price. Or am i missing something here? Not missing anything! Being sat in Canalside when he asked the room about what should be done - money spent on squad or reduction in tickets, the room went for squad 2:1. If Hoyle thinks that what all fans want he's wrong as those who go to Canalside week in week out are the die hard fans. I've said all along that when someone doesn't renew their ST the club should contact them, as many companies do if you cancel a contract. They'd learn a lot rather than Clibbens believing in inelastic/elastic pricing. As I've long said Town need a CEO football/sporting experience rather than an accountant. As much as I think the die hard supporters should be prioritised over those that only see football as another entertainment activity, it's a fair point. You're not going to get a proper representation of the overall fan's view asking these questions at Canalside, where you've likely got most people falling into the same demographic. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 26, 2015 14:18:05 GMT 1
I feel that there must be many fans who think like me.
Were i to live in Huddersfield or environs, which i no longer do, and tickets were £10 (and the team tried to win instead of trying not to lose) i feel sure i would attend every game, whatever the division.
At £30 i pick my games. Its simply, hugely over-priced and over-rated.
I would support Town in the Conference, so would most who go.
The "promise" of success at the expense of the fan and entertainment is a rum deal.
Until 5 years ago i thought the Prem was a possibility...now i would not take 50/1 it happeneing in my lifetime.
Knowing that i have changed how i feel about what i want from the club.
I want fun, a match-day experience and effort...no more really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 14:29:18 GMT 1
Football is too expensive for many people now. Equate that with the availability of football on sky and bt and there you go. 30 quid to watch overplayed prima donnas run around for 90 minutes earning more for 1 game than a lot of supporters earn a year? Having to sit down with a cool wind blowing up your arse while being watched by stewards with the mental capacity of a gnat. If I didn't have a season ticket there is no way I'd shell out for an individual game at current prices.
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Post by jimmymac on Sept 26, 2015 14:52:29 GMT 1
It was 35p for a kid in 1975....and 80p for a adult......up the town....hail Powell.....DH is god....xxxxxx
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Post by Pressing Appointment on Sept 26, 2015 17:20:23 GMT 1
Quite frankly a lot of childish responses to people airing their views to why they don't go.
Calling someone a knob head or telling them to fuck off we don't want fans like you isn't exactly what the club would be promoting.
We do need more "Fuck off we don't need fans like you" to swell the gate attendances.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 17:27:37 GMT 1
Quite frankly a lot of childish responses to people airing their views to why they don't go. Calling someone a knob head or telling them to fuck off we don't want fans like you isn't exactly what the club would be promoting. We do need more "Fuck off we don't need fans like you" to swell the gate attendances. The debate about attendances and prices needs to be had. The problem with this thread is some of the ridiculous garbage the OP posted. The prices are too high, the attendances are falling. Something needs sorting ASAP. |
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