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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 17:29:19 GMT 1
Bollocks Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Its all right bleating on about fans of Newcastle and Sunderland being dedicated,,,there is sod all else to do up there. They also get to see £100 million of talent every single game...i get about 5 bobs worth for MORE cost. I was one of those who saw 2 years of games without missing a match home and away in the 4th Division....when we regularly took tice as many away as now!! Partly my age and societal change but where is the fun and excitement? We are being spoon fed a crap product whilst being pick-pocketed. Oh do shut up mate. Im amazed we have so many fans of scrappy lower league football. Hoofball fanatics. If we were playing that all you'd be doing is moaning like fuck because we don't string any passes together and keep the ball. If we were in league 2, you'd be moaning like fuck that we are 2 divisions below where we should be ( and we'll never get there playing this sunday league quality football!!) If you really want to see crap football at a bargain price, Im sure some Dog and Duck pub team would welcome the support. Bloody hell we have some shit fans.  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 17:32:35 GMT 1
Apologies as i haven't read the whole thread but i see Dean is saying that the choice is to put the extra tv money in to the squad or to subsidise ticket prices Haven't we just banked 8 million? Surely that will be used to strengthen the squad (or some of it) and the tv money can then be put toward reducing admission price. Or am i missing something here? No. Not unless they all paid everything up front, none of the clubs we signed the players from have asked for their sell on clauses, and none of the incoming or outgoing players asked for their contract settlement or signing on fees. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 17:32:55 GMT 1
Quite frankly a lot of childish responses to people airing their views to why they don't go. Calling someone a knob head or telling them to fuck off we don't want fans like you isn't exactly what the club would be promoting. We do need more "Fuck off we don't need fans like you" to swell the gate attendances. The debate about attendances and prices needs to be had. The problem with this thread is some of the ridiculous garbage the OP posted. The prices are too high, the attendances are falling. Something needs sorting ASAP. £300 a season ticket, £20 every league match, for people paying on the day, saving £160 on buying a season ticket over the 23 games, an extra 3000 on the average league attendance??? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 17:35:10 GMT 1
Its all right bleating on about fans of Newcastle and Sunderland being dedicated,,,there is sod all else to do up there. They also get to see £100 million of talent every single game...i get about 5 bobs worth for MORE cost. I was one of those who saw 2 years of games without missing a match home and away in the 4th Division....when we regularly took tice as many away as now!! Partly my age and societal change but where is the fun and excitement? We are being spoon fed a crap product whilst being pick-pocketed. Oh do shut up mate. Im amazed we have so many fans of scrappy lower league football. Hoofball fanatics. If we were playing that all you'd be doing is moaning like fuck because we don't string any passes together and keep the ball. If we were in league 2, you'd be moaning like fuck that we are 2 divisions below where we should be ( and we'll never get there playing this sunday league quality football!!) If you really want to see crap football at a bargain price, Im sure some Dog and Duck pub team would welcome the support. Bloody hell we have some shit fans. Now you know why he is one of Stalybridge Celtic's most fervent supporters.  |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 26, 2015 17:35:20 GMT 1
Quite frankly a lot of childish responses to people airing their views to why they don't go. Calling someone a knob head or telling them to fuck off we don't want fans like you isn't exactly what the club would be promoting. We do need more "Fuck off we don't need fans like you" to swell the gate attendances. I very rarely post in that fashion, but it wasn't in response to a sensible post, whilst the specific poster is notorious. All in the context and I stand by it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 17:40:29 GMT 1
I feel that there must be many fans who think like me. Were i to live in Huddersfield or environs, which i no longer do, and tickets were £10 (and the team tried to win instead of trying not to lose) i feel sure i would attend every game, whatever the division. At £30 i pick my games. Its simply, hugely over-priced and over-rated. I would support Town in the Conference, so would most who go. The "promise" of success at the expense of the fan and entertainment is a rum deal. Until 5 years ago i thought the Prem was a possibility...now i would not take 50/1 it happeneing in my lifetime. Knowing that i have changed how i feel about what i want from the club. I want fun, a match-day experience and effort...no more really. If the tickets were £10 then we'd have a crap team that couldn't compete and would lose all the time- and you still wouldn't go. It would be £10 to get in and we'd get relegated, not compete in the division below either and have smaller crowds than we do now. brilliant! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 17:46:56 GMT 1
Apologies as i haven't read the whole thread but i see Dean is saying that the choice is to put the extra tv money in to the squad or to subsidise ticket prices Haven't we just banked 8 million? Surely that will be used to strengthen the squad (or some of it) and the tv money can then be put toward reducing admission price. Or am i missing something here? No. Not unless they all paid everything up front, none of the clubs we signed the players from have asked for their sell on clauses, and none of the incoming or outgoing players asked for their contract settlement or signing on fees. What are you trying to say? That there isnt actually any money left to invest in the squad depsite just flogging 3 of our main players for good money? |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Sept 26, 2015 17:47:15 GMT 1
I feel that there must be many fans who think like me. Were i to live in Huddersfield or environs, which i no longer do, and tickets were £10 (and the team tried to win instead of trying not to lose) i feel sure i would attend every game, whatever the division. At £30 i pick my games. Its simply, hugely over-priced and over-rated. I would support Town in the Conference, so would most who go. The "promise" of success at the expense of the fan and entertainment is a rum deal. Until 5 years ago i thought the Prem was a possibility...now i would not take 50/1 it happeneing in my lifetime. Knowing that i have changed how i feel about what i want from the club. I want fun, a match-day experience and effort...no more really. If the tickets were £10 then we'd have a crap team that couldn't compete and would lose all the time- and you still wouldn't go. It would be £10 to get in and we'd get relegated, not compete in the division below either and have smaller crowds than we do now. brilliant! I don't know. Bradford seem to be doing okay. |
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Post by Pressing Appointment on Sept 26, 2015 17:49:42 GMT 1
We have 10000 hard core support and that's it......we then have 3000 casual supporters like my self who go to a few games.....we then possibly have 1000 on the side lines if we are doing well they will go and that's our lot I,m afraid....we are small fry in this division but probably one of the biggest in the 3rd tier....lots of things have been tried to get the support in and it just doesn't happen.....when we were top of the championship in 2000 at Christmas and playing really well we only got 14000 town.....its a loosing battle I,m afraid and DH isn't going to win......the man is the dogs bollox to me.....the grief he gets is totally unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!;;! Jimmy , I think we have more like 7-8k hard core supporters as shown by recent gates. Absolutely bob on about a losing battle though. Surely Dean didn't expect 16-18k fans flooding through the turnstiles every week when he took over. Think his love for the club clouds his judgement on certain aspects sometimes....and that is not having a go at him. Running a football club is not like running a greetings card business. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 17:51:26 GMT 1
The debate about attendances and prices needs to be had. The problem with this thread is some of the ridiculous garbage the OP posted. The prices are too high, the attendances are falling. Something needs sorting ASAP. £300 a season ticket, £20 every league match, for people paying on the day, saving £160 on buying a season ticket over the 23 games, an extra 3000 on the average league attendance??? Possibly. We won't know unless we try. The fans are voting with their feet marr, what ever the problem is, the attendances are dropping and that's fact not opinion. The debate as to whether or not watching town is too expensive is opinion because everyone has their own limit. I'm in the south stand, I bought mine in the early bird period. I think it was £350 which I'm happy to pay. I think it's a fair price, I get good value for money with good facilities and a good atmosphere. On Thursday as we all know it was £15, the south stand had a few hundred new faces in and the vast majority were young lads under 18. Are the under 18 SC too expensive? Are they being out priced? A couple of seasons ago talksport said that in 1974 the average age of a SC holder was 24, in 2014 it was 42. The POTD against Blackburn was £33.50 if I remember rightly. What's the Derby price? Ideally, we want a few thousand more SC holders but whilst prices go up, football is poor and we are in this economic struggle, folk won't keep paying more and more and more. They will cut luxuries like football SC out of their lives. I axed sky sports because I felt it was becoming a joke how expensive it was and for what I was getting. Town need to make it more attractive to the wider fan base. Deans said he will be sitting down with Nigel Clibbens and discussing numbers and next seasons prices shortly. It's rare in ever critical of town, but they've got the pricing horribly wrong this seasons IMO. It's got to be sorted otherwise we will be back in League one in no time. |
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Post by TerrierSince89 on Sept 26, 2015 17:53:22 GMT 1
Bradford are 18th in league one. if that's doing ok then we must be doing brilliantly.
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Post by rantinray on Sept 26, 2015 18:27:17 GMT 1
Attendances, cost and entertainment value all go cap in hand. People think the entertainment value is shite, they wont come. People think the cost is too high, they wont come. So these two values need changing if not there is only one way our club is going.
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Post by Cole on Sept 26, 2015 18:44:37 GMT 1
Maybe the key to getting the yoof back into the ground is active support like the NSL and SS. Last year football was much more enjoyable bouncing and waving a flag.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 18:47:17 GMT 1
No. Not unless they all paid everything up front, none of the clubs we signed the players from have asked for their sell on clauses, and none of the incoming or outgoing players asked for their contract settlement or signing on fees. What are you trying to say? That there isnt actually any money left to invest in the squad depsite just flogging 3 of our main players for good money? No, just that it won't be the £8m that you think it is or anything like it. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 26, 2015 18:55:07 GMT 1
£300 a season ticket, £20 every league match, for people paying on the day, saving £160 on buying a season ticket over the 23 games, an extra 3000 on the average league attendance??? Possibly. We won't know unless we try. The fans are voting with their feet marr, what ever the problem is, the attendances are dropping and that's fact not opinion. The debate as to whether or not watching town is too expensive is opinion because everyone has their own limit. I'm in the south stand, I bought mine in the early bird period. I think it was £350 which I'm happy to pay. I think it's a fair price, I get good value for money with good facilities and a good atmosphere. On Thursday as we all know it was £15, the south stand had a few hundred new faces in and the vast majority were young lads under 18. Are the under 18 SC too expensive? Are they being out priced? A couple of seasons ago talksport said that in 1974 the average age of a SC holder was 24, in 2014 it was 42.The POTD against Blackburn was £33.50 if I remember rightly. What's the Derby price? Ideally, we want a few thousand more SC holders but whilst prices go up, football is poor and we are in this economic struggle, folk won't keep paying more and more and more. They will cut luxuries like football SC out of their lives. I axed sky sports because I felt it was becoming a joke how expensive it was and for what I was getting. Town need to make it more attractive to the wider fan base. Deans said he will be sitting down with Nigel Clibbens and discussing numbers and next seasons prices shortly. It's rare in ever critical of town, but they've got the pricing horribly wrong this seasons IMO. It's got to be sorted otherwise we will be back in League one in no time. A couple of points. 1) In 1974 most folk started work at 16 or 18 and so had plenty of brass to spend. Nowadays most kids go to Uni and by the time they leave at 21 or 22 are in serious debt. A mate of mine who went last week said that his lad aged 20ish can no longer afford to go regularly. 2) Dean ought to be having these discussions with somebody who's far more in tune with what the fans want than Clibbens. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 18:56:59 GMT 1
What are you trying to say? That there isnt actually any money left to invest in the squad depsite just flogging 3 of our main players for good money? No, just that it won't be the £8m that you think it is or anything like it. Well Dean has come out admitted butterfield deal is in excess of 5 million eventually and Smithies and Coady near to 2 each so even with sell ons taken off its got to be 6 or 7 but I'm sure we'll be told differently |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 18:57:44 GMT 1
If the tickets were £10 then we'd have a crap team that couldn't compete and would lose all the time- and you still wouldn't go. It would be £10 to get in and we'd get relegated, not compete in the division below either and have smaller crowds than we do now. brilliant! I don't know. Bradford seem to be doing okay. In what way? They're struggling near the bottom of league 1. Other than away fans, they don't get any pay on the doors at all, and their STs work out at a maximum of £6.50 a game. Are their fans enjoying it? Loving the quality football their team is serving up? Their free flowing attacking play? Loving winning all the time? Do you really think ANY of these fans on here slagging Huddersfield Town off day after day in any way they can, would turn up if we were struggling near the arse end of League 1, even if it was free to get in? I don't. They'd camp out on here for a good moan, but they wouldn't go to the games. |
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Post by rantinray on Sept 26, 2015 19:02:12 GMT 1
What are you trying to say? That there isnt actually any money left to invest in the squad depsite just flogging 3 of our main players for good money? No, just that it won't be the £8m that you think it is or anything like it. Nothing like £8m. Sell on percentage clauses apart from maybe Smithies. It's the way football operates. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 19:04:44 GMT 1
Possibly. We won't know unless we try. The fans are voting with their feet marr, what ever the problem is, the attendances are dropping and that's fact not opinion. The debate as to whether or not watching town is too expensive is opinion because everyone has their own limit. I'm in the south stand, I bought mine in the early bird period. I think it was £350 which I'm happy to pay. I think it's a fair price, I get good value for money with good facilities and a good atmosphere. On Thursday as we all know it was £15, the south stand had a few hundred new faces in and the vast majority were young lads under 18. Are the under 18 SC too expensive? Are they being out priced? A couple of seasons ago talksport said that in 1974 the average age of a SC holder was 24, in 2014 it was 42.The POTD against Blackburn was £33.50 if I remember rightly. What's the Derby price? Ideally, we want a few thousand more SC holders but whilst prices go up, football is poor and we are in this economic struggle, folk won't keep paying more and more and more. They will cut luxuries like football SC out of their lives. I axed sky sports because I felt it was becoming a joke how expensive it was and for what I was getting. Town need to make it more attractive to the wider fan base. Deans said he will be sitting down with Nigel Clibbens and discussing numbers and next seasons prices shortly. It's rare in ever critical of town, but they've got the pricing horribly wrong this seasons IMO. It's got to be sorted otherwise we will be back in League one in no time. A couple of points. 1) In 1974 most folk started work at 16 or 18 and so had plenty of brass to spend. Nowadays most kids go to Uni and by the time they leave at 21 or 22 are in serious debt. A mate of mine who went last week said that his lad aged 20ish can no longer afford to go regularly. 2) Dean ought to be having these discussions with somebody who's far more in tune with what the fans want than Clibbens. On point 1. If that is the case then football clubs need to make it more affordable. I started work at 16 and it cost me nearly all my monthly wage to go to town games. Make it affordable, what ever it takes make it so because the next generation of football fans will be lost. On point 2. If I was in Deans shoes, I'd invite 50 town fans from all age groups to Canalside and ask them what they think and what prices would be fair. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 19:05:56 GMT 1
No, just that it won't be the £8m that you think it is or anything like it. Nothing like £8m. Sell on percentage clauses apart from maybe Smithies. It's the way football operates. Yeah, Hoyle said Boro had 20% on Butterfield, so that's £1m of the £5m already gone. Chances are they'll be structured like the Rhodes sale, where we get a set amount for the next 2 or 3 years. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Sept 26, 2015 19:10:03 GMT 1
I don't know. Bradford seem to be doing okay. In what way? They're struggling near the bottom of league 1. Other than away fans, they don't get any pay on the doors at all, and their STs work out at a maximum of £6.50 a game. Are their fans enjoying it? Loving the quality football their team is serving up? Their free flowing attacking play? Loving winning all the time? Do you really think ANY of these fans on here slagging Huddersfield Town off day after day in any way they can, would turn up if we were struggling near the arse end of League 1, even if it was free to get in? I don't. They'd camp out on here for a good moan, but they wouldn't go to the games. Yeah, I wasn't entirely being serious. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 19:11:36 GMT 1
No, just that it won't be the £8m that you think it is or anything like it. Well Dean has come out admitted butterfield deal is in excess of 5 million eventually and Smithies and Coady near to 2 each so even with sell ons taken off its got to be 6 or 7 but I'm sure we'll be told differently Yeah, so in the region of £9m EVENTUALLY when its all in but nearly all deals now are spread over the contract of the player. For example Butterfields deal might be £2m up front and £3m spread over the next 3 years, something like that. Then theres Liverpools cut and boros cut on the profit for Coady and butterfield ( 25% seems standard but as with Norwood, big clubs sell cheap but have a bigger sell on of around 40% ) and Smithies and Coadys contract settlements which will be well into 6 figures each. Then don't forget all the incoming signings weve made will have costs= signing on fees, transfer fees on a couple of them, agents fees, loan fees, etc etc Then Im sure Hoyle will use a large chunk to offset his own costs running the club. How much is up to him. Deans said that money is there to re invest in january. No idea what that figure will be, just that I can't see it being anything like £8m for all these reasons. |
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Post by rantinray on Sept 26, 2015 19:12:17 GMT 1
Could/would DH speculate to accumulate when it comes to attendance figures. People have mentioned Bradford City and the efforts they try to pull in the supporters. I believe they have tried limited games season tickets. They have also tried with reduced season tickets and turnstile prices.
If DH took the gambol next season of reducing the cost of entrance across the board he may increase the attendance figures, he may not. More people would hopefully mean a better atmosphere in the ground. Having a lower entrance fee along with bigger crowds could make the pie and bear/pop sales increase. Which in turn gives the club more revenue.
All these ideas have been tried by other clubs. Do they work, I dont know? Would DH take a punt at trying some new ways of getting bums on seats without the easy method of increasing ticket prices? He is the entrepreneur.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 19:14:15 GMT 1
In what way? They're struggling near the bottom of league 1. Other than away fans, they don't get any pay on the doors at all, and their STs work out at a maximum of £6.50 a game. Are their fans enjoying it? Loving the quality football their team is serving up? Their free flowing attacking play? Loving winning all the time? Do you really think ANY of these fans on here slagging Huddersfield Town off day after day in any way they can, would turn up if we were struggling near the arse end of League 1, even if it was free to get in? I don't. They'd camp out on here for a good moan, but they wouldn't go to the games. Yeah, I wasn't entirely being serious. apologies. You need to use a cos sarcasm really doesn't come over on here without it. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 26, 2015 19:32:10 GMT 1
A problem is we're competing against teams in areas that £30 isn't steep at all for a much greater proportion of people.
Drop our prices and that's even less in the kitty compared to many of our rivals, because there's no way a material drop will be counter-balanced by the increase in attendance.
Maybe G Nev is on to something with a potential North South divide!
Hopefully we will see a drop next year and some simplification, but I doubt it'll be to a level discussed on here.
For this year, fingers crossed we'll see more games like Bolton, which together with the South Stand making a mark, may make the whole match day experience more enjoyable, meaning people are more likely to come bacj and even encourage others (as opposed to putting people off with their dreary negative comments!).
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 26, 2015 19:33:19 GMT 1
A couple of points. 1) In 1974 most folk started work at 16 or 18 and so had plenty of brass to spend. Nowadays most kids go to Uni and by the time they leave at 21 or 22 are in serious debt. A mate of mine who went last week said that his lad aged 20ish can no longer afford to go regularly. 2) Dean ought to be having these discussions with somebody who's far more in tune with what the fans want than Clibbens. On point 1. If that is the case then football clubs need to make it more affordable. I started work at 16 and it cost me nearly all my monthly wage to go to town games. Make it affordable, what ever it takes make it so because the next generation of football fans will be lost. On point 2. If I was in Deans shoes, I'd invite 50 town fans from all age groups to Canalside and ask them what they think and what prices would be fair. The main problem is ticket prices are not in line with salaries/wages. If you get paid minimum wage and it costs 1 days wages to buy a ticket there is something severely wrong with that. I have a reasonably averaged paid job but if I didn't have a season ticket I would not be attending all home games like I do now, I would pick and choose, nor would I be attending away games like I do now. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 26, 2015 19:37:16 GMT 1
A problem is we're competing against teams in areas that £30 isn't steep at all for a much greater proportion of people. Drop our prices and that's even less in the kitty compared to many of our rivals, because there's no way a material drop will be counter-balanced by the increase in attendance. Maybe G Nev is on to something with a potential North South divide! Hopefully we will see a drop next year and some simplification, but I doubt it'll be to a level discussed on here. For this year, fingers crossed we'll see more games like Bolton, which together with the South Stand making a mark, may make the whole match day experience more enjoyable, meaning people are more likely to come bacj and even encourage others (as opposed to putting people off with their dreary negative comments!). Your first paragraph is what is wrong, at some clubs paying 30 quid isn't classed as steep, that's the problem, 30 quid plus to watch 22 blokes kick a bag of wind around is really not good value for money, the value of the product is exaggerated, even if your team are playing well and up near the top of the league, no one should be playing 30 quid plus to watch a single game of football. It's lunacy. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2015 19:43:25 GMT 1
Thing is art- if you paid on the door and they made it cheaper (£20), would you be happy when the loss of income meant we were losing all the time? Would you even go to the games as we headed for relegation?
What you say might well be true for someone on a low wage, but that still doesn't get round the sad truth of it, which is there is a going rate for championship football and Town are actually at the cheap end of it already.
I keep hearing how fans need entertaining winning football to come back- well making it so Town can't compete for any decent players with our rivals isn't going to bring that.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 26, 2015 19:48:21 GMT 1
A couple of points. 1) In 1974 most folk started work at 16 or 18 and so had plenty of brass to spend. Nowadays most kids go to Uni and by the time they leave at 21 or 22 are in serious debt. A mate of mine who went last week said that his lad aged 20ish can no longer afford to go regularly. 2) Dean ought to be having these discussions with somebody who's far more in tune with what the fans want than Clibbens. On point 1. If that is the case then football clubs need to make it more affordable. I started work at 16 and it cost me nearly all my monthly wage to go to town games. Make it affordable, what ever it takes make it so because the next generation of football fans will be lost. On point 2. If I was in Deans shoes, I'd invite 50 town fans from all age groups to Canalside and ask them what they think and what prices would be fair. Just going back to the student thing. We have approx 30,000 people attending Huddersfield Uni and very few of them would be able to afford a season ticket, however I daresay that a fair few of them might attend if there was a discounted matchday price on production of a student card (if advertised/marketed properly). Some of these could become future season ticket holders, but I don't see the club actively tapping into what could be a sizeable potential. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 19:51:35 GMT 1
On point 1. If that is the case then football clubs need to make it more affordable. I started work at 16 and it cost me nearly all my monthly wage to go to town games. Make it affordable, what ever it takes make it so because the next generation of football fans will be lost. On point 2. If I was in Deans shoes, I'd invite 50 town fans from all age groups to Canalside and ask them what they think and what prices would be fair. The main problem is ticket prices are not in line with salaries/wages. If you get paid minimum wage and it costs 1 days wages to buy a ticket there is something severely wrong with that. I have a reasonably averaged paid job but if I didn't have a season ticket I would not be attending all home games like I do now, I would pick and choose, nor would I be attending away games like I do now. As I said above art, the club needs to do what ever it takes to make it more affordable. Empty seats make you nothing unless you cover them with advertising. |
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