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Lee Clark
Feb 14, 2016 23:44:18 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 14, 2016 23:44:18 GMT 1
You're forgetting Bob Carolgees manager #where'sspit ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 23:44:29 GMT 1
Hope he does well, always had a soft spot for Clark. Some of the footy we played in his first full season here was superb no matter how it eventually ended. Are we talking about the same man who in the play off's against one of the worst defensive records in the league but one of the best attacks went with one up front and left Jordan Rhodes on the bench? He wasted millions at Town was crap at Birmingham and is unable to get a job in England in any league. Good riddance is what I say Kilmarnock will go down and he will be out of a job in 8 months Under Clark we went 43 games unbeaten. That will never happen again in your lifetime, I'll bet you that for £50 if you want? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 14, 2016 23:46:24 GMT 1
Are we talking about the same man who in the play off's against one of the worst defensive records in the league but one of the best attacks went with one up front and left Jordan Rhodes on the bench? He wasted millions at Town was crap at Birmingham and is unable to get a job in England in any league. Good riddance is what I say Kilmarnock will go down and he will be out of a job in 8 months Under Clark we went 43 games unbeaten. That will never happen again in your lifetime, I'll bet you that for £50 if you want?  Legend. |
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Lee Clark
Feb 14, 2016 23:48:48 GMT 1
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Post by mightyterrier on Feb 14, 2016 23:48:48 GMT 1
Are we talking about the same man who in the play off's against one of the worst defensive records in the league but one of the best attacks went with one up front and left Jordan Rhodes on the bench? He wasted millions at Town was crap at Birmingham and is unable to get a job in England in any league. Good riddance is what I say Kilmarnock will go down and he will be out of a job in 8 months Under Clark we went 43 games unbeaten. That will never happen again in your lifetime, I'll bet you that for £50 if you want? I was bored shitless for at least 35 of those! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 23:49:49 GMT 1
Nick and Marcus - what a meeting of minds. You can be 100% certain you're right about something when those two are on the other side of the debate.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 14, 2016 23:50:04 GMT 1
Are we talking about the same man who in the play off's against one of the worst defensive records in the league but one of the best attacks went with one up front and left Jordan Rhodes on the bench? He wasted millions at Town was crap at Birmingham and is unable to get a job in England in any league. Good riddance is what I say Kilmarnock will go down and he will be out of a job in 8 months Under Clark we went 43 games unbeaten. That will never happen again in your lifetime, I'll bet you that for £50 if you want? How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? |
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Lee Clark
Feb 15, 2016 0:01:08 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 0:01:08 GMT 1
Under Clark we went 43 games unbeaten. That will never happen again in your lifetime, I'll bet you that for £50 if you want? How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? It's fact. We will never have an unbeaten run lasting that long in our lifetime. Feel free to quote this for prosperity. It's got way more fact than a Juniir Doctor's debate. Bored or not, that was quite some achievement and put Town in the records books. From memory, we got into the all time top 10 unbeaten run in English football. |
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Lee Clark
Feb 15, 2016 0:19:59 GMT 1
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Post by BottomLip on Feb 15, 2016 0:19:59 GMT 1
Nick, your infatuation with Lee Clark and quarterly change of username, not to mention your seemingly on purpose spelling errors is fucking boring. Happy V Day Roses are Violet Violets are blue Notts forest 0 Huddersfiel 2 X just comfirmed the previously mentioned. Is everything violet in the world of Nick? |
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Feb 15, 2016 0:40:55 GMT 1
Are we talking about the same man who in the play off's against one of the worst defensive records in the league but one of the best attacks went with one up front and left Jordan Rhodes on the bench? He wasted millions at Town was crap at Birmingham and is unable to get a job in England in any league. Good riddance is what I say Kilmarnock will go down and he will be out of a job in 8 months Under Clark we went 43 games unbeaten. That will never happen again in your lifetime, I'll bet you that for £50 if you want? That was League games. In the middle of that run he lost the most important game of his tenure. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 1:15:45 GMT 1
So did I, but that first full season it was a joy to go watch Town again. Yeah for sure . I thought we had nabbed a real innovator .. The feeling in that first full season under Clark is no different to the turnaround we are currently enjoying under Wagner, I am hoping that Wagner will eventually be remembered more fondly than Clark has been by the majority of Town fans. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 1:30:58 GMT 1
Hope he does well, always had a soft spot for Clark. Some of the footy we played in his first full season here was superb no matter how it eventually ended. He wasted millions at Town was crap at Birmingham and is unable to get a job in England in any league. Good riddance is what I say Kilmarnock will go down and he will be out of a job in 8 months Completely ignoring the fact that the one up front formation had been far more successful for us winning the last six consecutive away games with that formation, while the front 2 formation had garnered 3 wins and 5 draws when used at home. Jordan Rhodes at the end of that season was a pale shadow of the Jordan Rhodes that turned up fitter, stronger and hungrier the next season, he missed a couple of dobbers in the home Bournemouth semi, while looking unfit and knackered after 30 mins. But don't let those facts get in the way of your narrative  |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 15, 2016 1:42:50 GMT 1
Under Clark we went 43 games unbeaten. That will never happen again in your lifetime, I'll bet you that for £50 if you want? How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 2:30:19 GMT 1
How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. I've never known a club's fanbase so ready to ridicule their own club's achievement, can you imagine Arsenal fan's doing the same with their unbeaten season. If it had been Shankly's team it would have gone down in Town folklore, however, because it was Lee Clark it is rubbished for some reason. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Feb 15, 2016 2:45:01 GMT 1
How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. ….. but it wasn't his job description was it? Dean didn't say "Hey Lee, go out and get us an unbeaten run", I'm sure. I'm even more sure that he said "The job Lee, is to get us promotion". He didn't, so he got fired. We started on this topic last Wednesday - did we get distracted by that waitress or summat, 'cos I can't remember finishing it? |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 3:59:28 GMT 1
How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. ….. but it wasn't his job description was it? Dean didn't say "Hey Lee, go out and get us an unbeaten run", I'm sure. I'm even more sure that he said "The job Lee, is to get us promotion". He didn't, so he got fired. We started on this topic last Wednesday - did we get distracted by that waitress or summat, 'cos I can't remember finishing it? But the request would mean to get as many points as possible. In term of points per game achieved (using 3 points for a win as a standard) 2010/11 was our 4th best season in the past 90, since our last first division champion season in 1925/26. It's just a shame that we came up against 2 better teams that season in Southampton and Brighton. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 15, 2016 4:39:44 GMT 1
How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. ….. but it wasn't his job description was it? Dean didn't say "Hey Lee, go out and get us an unbeaten run", I'm sure. I'm even more sure that he said "The job Lee, is to get us promotion". He didn't, so he got fired. We started on this topic last Wednesday - did we get distracted by that waitress or summat, 'cos I can't remember finishing it? Oi - did I buy your beer - you have to agree with me until you buy.  For the record - I never liked Lee Clark -not at the start and not at the end, but that was mostly an opinion created against the man. However I do respect that record, and people that ridicule that in my mind, are missing something. Grayson was just lucky - pure and simple. Smithies misses, fuckfornuts scores, well who knows where we could be. Sheff U still haven't escaped. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Feb 15, 2016 5:05:08 GMT 1
….. but it wasn't his job description was it? Dean didn't say "Hey Lee, go out and get us an unbeaten run", I'm sure. I'm even more sure that he said "The job Lee, is to get us promotion". He didn't, so he got fired. We started on this topic last Wednesday - did we get distracted by that waitress or summat, 'cos I can't remember finishing it? Oi - did I buy your beer - you have to agree with me until you buy. For the record - I never liked Lee Clark -not at the start and not at the end, but that was mostly an opinion created against the man. However I do respect that record, and people that ridicule that in my mind, are missing something. Grayson was just lucky - pure and simple. Smithies misses, fuckfornuts scores, well who knows where we could be. Sheff U still haven't escaped. Yeah, thanks again for that. My round for sure next time - St. Augustine ?? I'm not arguing with Doc any more either. He's from Hightown. Roberttowners and 'Eetowners, throwing rocks at each other since the Domesday Book. What about the game Doc ? Is it a party up there tonight ? Just finished watching it in a frigid South Dakota bar. EDIT: The bar was nice and warm actually. About minus 20 outside when I got here earlier. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 5:31:19 GMT 1
How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. You mean like play off finals and semis ? |
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Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 6:46:11 GMT 1
How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. What was the significance of that run, then? If memory serves, it won us nothing and we were exactly where we started when it finished. |
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Post by PellonTerrier on Feb 15, 2016 7:23:31 GMT 1
I can see both sides of this debate. Ultimately Clark failed in the task he was given and that can't be forgotten, but let's not pretend he wasn't a significant manager for us in a lot of ways. The playing one striker in the play offs is something people use as a stick to beat him with and it did turn out to be a mistake but could he have known that? That formation had led to what is still our record number of away wins and points in a single season. The 43 game run was an achievement that cannot be denied. Had Southampton not been in our division with players like Lambert, Lallana, Schneiderlein etc. We would have gone up automatically. More than any other manager since he was the face of the Dean Hoyle era and a big part of what was going on transforming us behind the scenes into a Championship level club at least infrastructure wise. I think his biggest problem was that because he was young and inexperienced he tried too hard to learn from his mistakes and we veered wildly between the Wagner style and the Powell style almost week to week as he lost his way. I will remember him fondly because I do believe he is a big part of where we are now even if he wasn't the one to actually get us there. Having said all this the decision to sack him was correct but pre Wagner he is still my favourite of all Hoyles managers and I believe he is still a friend and a resource that Dean Hoyle still regularly turns to for advice and he never has a bad word to say about this club.
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Post by 5kippy on Feb 15, 2016 7:35:37 GMT 1
Nick, your infatuation with Lee Clark and quarterly change of username, not to mention your seemingly on purpose spelling errors is fucking boring. Happy V Day Roses are Violet Violets are blue Notts forest 0 Huddersfiel 2 X I don't know Nick (but I did have him pointed out to me at the famous "who is this Nickhudds poster anyway" Dean Hoyle interview at Canalside, even though Nick claimed not to be there.), but I do hope to meet him in person one day. I'm sure he is a lovely chap. This made me laugh, so anything that makes me laugh gets a "Like". UTT TTID  |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 15, 2016 7:55:53 GMT 1
How is it that all some of the football experts on here cannot see the significance of going unbeaten for 43 games and instead focus on some poor results that suit their agenda. What was the significance of that run, then? If memory serves, it won us nothing and we were exactly where we started when it finished. The last 18 or so games started our successful promotion season |
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Post by 5kippy on Feb 15, 2016 8:00:21 GMT 1
I look at the "43 unbeaten run" this way; How many Town fans would like to see us go unbeaten until January next year? We all know what we feel like after a loss. Imagine not feeling like that for nearly a full year! Yes I know that Old Trafford was in the middle of it (one of the most anticipated/enjoyable/depressing days of my life), but it still doesn't take from the aforementioned. I loved LC's passion, commitment and animation. Simon Grayson had nowt. Under DW is our "New Begining". Enjoy the ride. UTT TTID |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 15, 2016 8:11:32 GMT 1
1. This Fred should be in the famous ex player gaffer one.
2. I didn't start it.
3. Lets just enjoy the history of the world record run Clarky gave us and stop bashing the bloke.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Feb 15, 2016 8:59:18 GMT 1
Yeah for sure . I thought we had nabbed a real innovator .. The feeling in that first full season under Clark is no different to the turnaround we are currently enjoying under Wagner, I am hoping that Wagner will eventually be remembered more fondly than Clark has been by the majority of Town fans. He already is in my eyes, even now I'm more excited about Town than I ever was under LC. |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 15, 2016 9:09:30 GMT 1
I look at the "43 unbeaten run" this way; How many Town fans would like to see us go unbeaten until January next year? We all know what we feel like after a loss. Imagine not feeling like that for nearly a full year! Yes I know that Old Trafford was in the middle of it (one of the most anticipated/enjoyable/depressing days of my life), but it still doesn't take from the aforementioned. I loved LC's passion, commitment and animation. Simon Grayson had nowt. Under DW is our "New Begining". Enjoy the ride. UTT TTID Grayson had nowt? Apart from multiple promotions on his CV, yeah. Give me that over passion, commitment and animation any day. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 9:11:07 GMT 1
Would he have had a 43 league unbeaten run if we had got promoted or as high a win percentage?The "success" he had at Town was due to his failure to get them promoted because we played league 1 teams every season. Three and a half years in the same division with one of the biggest and richest clubs and he's seen as a legend by some. Pretty unbelievable really. He's the worst manager Hoyle appointed and you only have to look at what Birmingham have done since he left to see he just isn't very good.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 9:14:18 GMT 1
How is it all the weirdos rail behind the most underachieving manager in a decade ? It's fact. We will never have an unbeaten run lasting that long in our lifetime. Feel free to quote this for prosperity. It's got way more fact than a Juniir Doctor's debate. Bored or not, that was quite some achievement and put Town in the records books. From memory, we got into the all time top 10 unbeaten run in English football. No I very much doubt we will.... AND ? ..... It felt great at the time but ultimately it left us nowhere... And I could always start the debate that actually we got turned over at old Trafford so a lot of town fans scoffed at the notion that we were unbeaten when actually we weren't ( but I won't cos we've done it a million times and it's as boring as all them other arguments you drag down ) Don't forget we UNDERACHIEVED .... Top two budgets but not a top two team ... And by the time he left us after the sheff game we had turned into kick and Rush merchants GOING NOWHERE .. Also don't forget the fact he was utterly disrespectful to us thinking he was bigger than the club (leaving his mobile on the coach at Yeovil ) ..and the long list of dross he bought ( he will be reunited with one at Kilmarnock ) So yes.. The unbeaten run was a great achievement. But ultimately a hollow victory .. Let's not compare him to wagner ... Or even Grayson who has got four teams promoted |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 15, 2016 9:15:03 GMT 1
I look at the "43 unbeaten run" this way; How many Town fans would like to see us go unbeaten until January next year? We all know what we feel like after a loss. Imagine not feeling like that for nearly a full year! Yes I know that Old Trafford was in the middle of it (one of the most anticipated/enjoyable/depressing days of my life), but it still doesn't take from the aforementioned. I loved LC's passion, commitment and animation. Simon Grayson had nowt. Under DW is our "New Begining". Enjoy the ride. UTT TTID Grayson had nowt? Apart from multiple promotions on his CV, yeah. Give me that over passion, commitment and animation any day. Haha thanks for taking the words out of my mouth |
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Post by thrice on Feb 15, 2016 9:28:19 GMT 1
Are we talking about the same man who in the play off's against one of the worst defensive records in the league but one of the best attacks went with one up front and left Jordan Rhodes on the bench? He wasted millions at Town was crap at Birmingham and is unable to get a job in England in any league. Good riddance is what I say Kilmarnock will go down and he will be out of a job in 8 months Completely ignoring the fact that the one up front formation had been far more successful for us winning the last six consecutive away games with that formation, while the front 2 formation had garnered 3 wins and 5 draws when used at home. Jordan Rhodes at the end of that season was a pale shadow of the Jordan Rhodes that turned up fitter, stronger and hungrier the next season, he missed a couple of dobbers in the home Bournemouth semi, while looking unfit and knackered after 30 mins. But don't let those facts get in the way of your narrative Rhodes was every bit as lethal that season as any other, but don't let those facts get in the way of your narrative. The decision not to play him in a cup final was simply criminal. |
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